The Australian had follow-up results from the weekend Newspoll on Tuesday showing how the two leaders compared on nine attributes, with accompanying tables neatly comparing the results to 14 earlier following the same template going back go 2008. It is characteristic of such results to move in lock step with a leader’s overall approval rating, and these are no exception, with Scott Morrison’s position deteriorating by between eight (arrogant up from 52% to 60%) and sixteen (likeable down from 63% to 47%) points since April, while Anthony Albanese’s movements ranged from positive two (arrogant from 40% to 38%) to negative four (trustworthy from 48% to 44% and experienced from 64% to 60%).
The result is that both leaders are at or near the weakest results yet recorded on a range of measures. Scott Morrison had the worst results yet recorded for either a Prime Minister or Opposition Leader on “understands the major issues” (52%) and “cares for people” (50%) and the worst for a Prime Minister on trustworthy (42%). However, he has the consolation that Anthony Albanese’s results were hardly better at 54%, 56% and 44% respectively. Both also scored poorly on being in touch with voters, at 41% for Morrison and 46% for Albanese, while landing well clear of the 33% Tony Abbott recorded a few weeks after the Prince Phillip knighthood. Conversely, Albanese’s arrogant rating of 38% is the lowest yet recorded, comparing with a middling 60% for Morrison.
Other news:
• A Liberal preselection vote on the weekend for the eastern Melbourne fringe seat of Casey, which will be vacated with the retirement of Tony Smith, was won by Aaron Violi, executive with a company that provides online ordering services to restaurants and a former staffer to Senator James Patterson. The Age reports Violi won the last round of the ballot by 152 votes to 101 ahead of Andrew Asten, principal of Boston Consulting Group and former ministerial chief-of-staff to Alan Tudge, with the last candidate excluded being Melbourne City councillor Roshena Campbell. Earlier reports suggested Campbell and Violi to be aligned with state Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien and party president Robert Clark, while Asten is in the rival Josh Frydenberg/Michael Sukkar camp.
• A Roy Morgan poll, using its somewhat dubious SMS survey method, produced very strong results for the Labor government in Victoria, which was credited with a 58-42 lead on two-party preferred, compared with 57.3-42.7 at the 2018 election. The primary votes were Labor 43%, Coalition 31% and Greens 11%. A forced response question on Daniel Andrews found 60.5% approving and 39.5% disapproving. The poll was conducted last Thursday from a sample of 1357.
Barney in Tanjung Bunga
With this government it will be
a) Mates
b) To hide something
c) a+b
The security of Australia would be lucky to get consideration.
Morrison living up to his ‘transactional’ reputation by cuddling up to the crackpots.
JUST IN: Adelaide Oval has announced ALL spectators will need to be fully vaccinated to attend events from Nov 23.
– This includes Adelaide Test.
– Staff and volunteers will also need to be double jabbed.
– 35,000 will be the capacity at Ashes Test and BBL.@9NewsAdel
Bushfire Bill
It sounds like your neighbour has gone into a panic over the possibility that Covid is in the neighbourhood.
He wouldn’t happen to vote for the Nationals, PHON or similar, would he? That is, the parties that proclaim “freedom”, no lockdowns, unvaccinated people to do as they like and so on.
These sort of people want government out of their lives except when something might affect them personally, in which case they want to be wrapped in every protection possible.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/11/18/whos-the-fairest/comment-page-4/#comment-3750710
Pretty sure that those on the freedumb side of things would rethink a few things once in the ICU, where it seems only a few percent are fully vaxed, like religion on a battlefield
Morrison interfering in people’s lives and telling them what to do!
lizzie says:
Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:04 pm
Victoria
MatthewGuyMP said this morning you won’t see any of his MPs at the protests outside parliament anymore
Oooops! Took him a while.
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We’ll see what Bernie Finn thinks about that. And Timmy Smith has nothing to lose of course.
Why don’t we just sell Australia off to the highest bidder? This privatisation lark is getting beyond a joke.
It looks like Matthew Guy doesn’t much like Adem Somyurek either. I heard him on the car radio just now saying that he was open to working with Dan Andrews on revised pandemic laws. (Probably also because another Independent in the Victorian Upper House expressed his willingness to also work with Dan). 🙂
Citizen,
Actually he’s a Labor person, through and through.
He’s had a very rough patch over the past few years, starting off with losing his wife suddenly to a heart attack, and up to dealing with a sister diagnosed with pancreatic cancer who has decided to let go because it’s “God’s will” (yes, she’s also a Flat Earther, QAnon and Pentecostal), her nonagenerian husband who cries down the phone to him daily, to an Asbergers brother who now also has dementia and was arrested the other day for assaulting another patient in the Aged Care facility where he resides.
So I cut him a fair amount of slack.
Somyurek’s act of revenge rivals Rudd.
What’s the bet Somyurek will be recruited by Sky to act as a ‘Labor’ voice …?
I think a study of Morrison’s and Somyurek’s ‘transactional’ political histories would show them as politically kindred spirits.
lizzie
Why don’t we just sell Australia off to the highest bidder? This privatisation lark is getting beyond a joke.
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I thought it already had been sold to USA Inc.
It’s just the cheque seems to have got lost in the mail.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/prime-minister-scott-morrison-makes-awkward-irish-remark-during-visit-to-tooheys-brewery/news-story/a28e9cfd352ea7451277c6feaac92831
Can’t see the detail, but I think he attempted an Irish joke in Gaelic.
Is he going to go around every migrant group to “win” their votes?
All Liberal/National MPs in Victoria with the exception of Neil Angus have had at least 1 jab.
It’s just that the likes of David Davis have had an extra dose of Hypocrisy in their syringes.
Typical anti-Irish bigot.
The Prime Minister visited Tooheys brewery in Sydney on Thursday where he met several workers and took selfies with them.
He later addressed reporters and mentioned some of the workers, including technician Claire Hallissey from Ireland.
“Of course there’s going to be an Irish girl here in a brewery,’ he joked, referencing the stereotype that Irish people are big drinkers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10215105/Scott-Morrison-makes-controversial-joke-Irish-girl-brewery.html
@lizzie
I’m pretty sure he just made a joke about an Irish person being at a brewery. Wasn’t in Gaelic, I doubt Scotty from Marketing can string anything together in any language besides English.
Germany, the UK and Russia
The need for government to be able to respond is confirmed by the escalation of numbers in those Nations (at least)
The most effective form of regulation is self regulation does not work
Morrison hitting some bum notes on this ‘listening tour’
Professor Adrian Esterman
If there is a 20% chance you can still get infected if you are fully vaccinated, and a 60% chance you can infect someone after a breakthrough infection https://t.co/sQ2nLrRJA4, then the overall chance of transmission if you are fully vaccinated is 0.2 x 0.6, or 12%.
Rex Douglassays:
Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:26 pm
Somyurek’s act of revenge rivals Rudd.
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Why didn’t the Andrews govt consult with all the crossbenchers instead of just the chosen 3.
It has to be just deadset laziness.
Lizzie
I am reminded of this quote.
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if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.
Taylormade
You must be so happy with your party.
Their association with neo nazis is no doubt a feather in the cap of Victorian liberals.
I’m looking forward to campaign ads featuring them all.
Taylormade @ #144 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 2:03 pm
No, but it was a mistake to underestimate Somyurek’s ability for revenge.
Perhaps Morrison is just referencing the Irish history of involvement in Brewing. He wasn’t at an AA meeting, where the comment might have been problematic.
A comment I concur with
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Never forget that several Liberal Party politicians stood on the steps of Parliament House and cheered on the “protesters”, several of whom have now been arrested by the counter terrorism taskforce. This tells you everything you need to know about the state of the Liberal Party.
I suspect Morrison is aping John Howard’s dog whistling – put he ain’t no JWH.
“Perhaps Morrison is just referencing the Irish history of involvement in Brewing. ”
Yeah nah.
Morrison goes with a bit of casual racism to lighten the mood.
To state the obvious, today has highlighted a few things about Vic politics.
1. The VicLibs are a dangerous farce, and looking Trumpier by the day.
2. Adem Somyurek is a petulant child, with no motive for current actions besides revenge and self-aggrandisement because he was caught in a mess entirely of his own doing.
But most importantly:
3. The Andrews government is reaping the effects of group ticket voting – if Drury hadn’t been able cook the system, they’d today mostly be dealing with 3-4 Greens + Fiona Patten to pass progressive legislation, and they’d have the numbers to pass this no worries. Instead, in their urgency to squeeze the Greens out of the LegCo, Vic Labor are wedged by bus drivers, “Sustainable Australia” and LibDem nutjobs.
May have looked like a clever way to stop the Greens holding upper house seats at the time, but they’ve severely shot themselves in the foot.
GTV has to go.
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Bushfire Billsays:
Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 11:01 am
I’m very uncomfortable with the SMH and other media outlets (including the ABC) publishing off-the-record details and unauthorised leaks of the police investigations into William Tyrell’s foster mother.
We saw it with Lindy Chamberlain, and more recently George Pell, Christian Porter and Andrew Laming, as well as several persons of interest in the Tyrell case itself who were vilified and hounded from pillar to post before beingvreluctantly released from scrutiny. These things tend to turn into witch hunts, with tribal loyalties, prejudices and irrational beliefs taking over from cold hard facts. If Gary Jubelin’s matter confirms anything, it is this.
Without a doubt, even if police find no evidence against anyone in the present investigation, a lynch mob mentality will take over, and battle lines will be drawn. There will be those who are convinced, without the slightest shred of evidence other than speculative stories in the tabloid print and electronic media, that William Tyrell’s foster mum killed him by fair means or foul, then covered it up.
The personal involvement of the Premier and Police Commissioner is also galling to me. The Premier, accused of facilitating a dodgy financial sleight of hand with NSW Rail assets to the tune of billions of dollars, faced with a potential explosion in Covid numbers and no doubt wishing to emulate the WA Premier’s “success” with the Carnarvon kidnapping wants to be in on the kill to deflect away from real problems besetting him so early in his tenure.
The boofheaded Police Commissioner, ScoMo’s friendly garbo, caught by a Parliamentary committee supporting the use of terrorist police against citizen journalists, supporting strip searches of adolescent girls, and wishing to exit the job on his recently inflated salary more with a bang than a whimper, has given at least the televisual impression that he has taken personal control of the matter, appointing task forces here and doing stand-up pressers there, while all the while being just another tame, politicised hack, looking for well-remunerated consultancy work post-retirement. What a plodding hero!
The whole thing has turned into yet another circus, cheap fodder for a viewing and reading public too used to the protocols and practices of Reality TV to appreciate that Reality TV is all the “news” is nowadays
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I also found pretty odd for a Premier to stand behind along with Police Minister when the Police Commissioner (or was it his deputy) gave press conference on a cold case.
Vic,
Guy is smart enough to know that the law needs to be reformed. He even said so back on October 9. But, the Vic Lib Parliamentary Party have overplayed their hand with their appearances with and support of the protestors.
Somyurek coming back in to Parliament to cause mischief was non surprising, really. I believe Labor are in negotiations with another of the Independents. So, something will probably come out of that.
So, Guy is now back pedalling, dissociating himself and his Party from the protestors and offering to provide constructive input for the Legislation. How long before he announces the Libs support the Legislation?
In May last year, Irish man Pádraig Gaffney pleaded guilty in a Melbourne court to causing criminal damage at a hotel and was fined $10,000. The Age reported the story online under the headline “Drunk Paddy in $500k flood of tears”. A day later, Gaffney took his own life.
Gahame Morris, a political pundit and former chief of staff to John Howard, was discussing same-sex marriage on Sky News on Monday. Somehow this turned into a diatribe about Irish people.
“I love the Irish and half the parliament’s full of Irishmen, but these are people who can’t grow potatoes,” he said. “They’ve got a mutant lawn weed as their national symbol and they can’t verbalise the difference between a tree and the number three.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/04/when-it-comes-to-smearing-the-irish-australia-is-the-worlds-serial-offender
Simon Katich @ #73 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 8:53 am
Good, then we can all relax and enjoy these nice trees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j7Mq-ZiZWo
Of course Clive palmer is not interested in democracy.
It boggles my mind that anyone thinks Clive palmer is fighting for the everyday person.
The cognitive dissonance is strong.
Clive Palmer firm belief is rich people should decide democracy. He treats politics as a play thing and is a big windbag that produces nothing but hot air and lies.
If Labor gets in they need to introduce laws on spending caps on election expenditure. Because this happens every election where Palmer spews out his confetti of crap. It stops either party getting their message across and leaves voters very confused. It benefits Morrison because voters tend to stick with the status quo. And Palmer is a preference harvester for the Liberals and a big Liberal attack dog disguised in a yellow shirt.
Obviously Guy is now panicking. His grandstanding on the legislation was probably predicated on it passing narrowly in the upper house, now he realises that no legislation will expose Victoria to a frightening situation should Covid worsen.
Even the Hun acknowledges this: “The state government is facing a major legal headache when the current state of emergency – which cannot be extended – expires in December.” (headline).
Guy has obviously also been shaken by the news that some of his MPs are publicly associated with the same demonstrations as the RW extremists who have been charged by the anti-terror squad. (Although Murdoch media seems to have missed this item of news.
It now remains to be seen if the rioters will disperse if the Liberals are prepared to negotiate on the legislation. I can’t see Dan Andrews giving too much away.
Political Nightwatchman
Cartoonists and WA newspapers are on to him though.
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This is going too far!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-18/wa-school-students-threatened-by-anti-vaxxers/100630308
After reading Barnaby’s drivel about Labor driving interest rates higher by stopping coal exports, apparently, plus the pro-coal lines Scomo has been using in recent days, I’m a bit puzzled about what they are trying to achieve politically. There is zero chance that Labor will win any coal electorates in Qld, surely. And you’d think there’s zero chance of Clive or Pauline pinching these seats either. Do they have their eyes on Hunter? Do they think Paterson or Shortland might be in play? After such big swings to the LNP in the Hunter last election, you’d think it unlikely there would be another big swing on top of that.
On the other hand, embracing coal should be a negative in, say, Reid, in the inner west of Sydney, and in many other urban marginals too. I just don’t see how it’s in the interests of the LNP to tie themselves tightly to coal.
Maybe just road-testing some lines to see if something gets some traction.
If they were prepared to stop people not getting their kids jabbed from accessing social welfare payments, then why don’t they take medicare benefits off the anti vaxers.
Taylormade @ #172 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 2:03 pm
Are you disappointed in Matthew Guy that he’s thrown in the towel and said he’ll negotiate with Dan Andrews? 🙂
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/11/18/whos-the-fairest/comment-page-4/#comment-3750738
And without minders wouldn’t have been able to find the brewery anyway, unlike a certain McDos, though I can see why he’d need an armoured car after …
What will happen if the Libs don’t facilitate the passing of this current Legislation.
GG,
Who is the other Upper House MP who has said he will now negotiate with Dan Andrews? And I think it’s going to have a negative effect on the SFF to say that they won’t negotiate. In NSW they negotiate a lot with Labor in the Upper House.
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lizziesays:
Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 12:48 pm
Queensland’s deputy premier Steven Miles has accused the prime minister of attempting to appeal to anti-vaxxer in order to help curry votes in the next election after he said unvaccinated people in Brisbane should be allowed to “go get a cup of coffee” if the state is at 80% vaccination.
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Morrison staffers may have put forward the focus group results of where he went today in front of him. So he uttered ” people in Brisbane should be allowed to “go get a cup of coffee” ” without a thought whether they contradict his earlier pronouncements. For example,
Baffling to put it mildly.
It is like throwing the fishing thread into the pond/ river to see whether one can catch any fish.
There is very good possibility that Murdoch press and TV news outlets will only mention what Morrison said but don’t report Miles response to that uttering. So the nice people of Australia who hang onto every word of Morrison may think he is fighting their good fight.
Do they have their eyes on Hunter?
Yes.
Do they think Paterson or Shortland might be in play?
Yes.
After such big swings to the LNP in the Hunter last election, you’d think it unlikely there would be another big swing on top of that.
They think they’re almost there and need one last push.
cat,
Someone mentioned it earlier up thread. I believe it’s one of the other Cross Benchers.