The Australian had follow-up results from the weekend Newspoll on Tuesday showing how the two leaders compared on nine attributes, with accompanying tables neatly comparing the results to 14 earlier following the same template going back go 2008. It is characteristic of such results to move in lock step with a leader’s overall approval rating, and these are no exception, with Scott Morrison’s position deteriorating by between eight (arrogant up from 52% to 60%) and sixteen (likeable down from 63% to 47%) points since April, while Anthony Albanese’s movements ranged from positive two (arrogant from 40% to 38%) to negative four (trustworthy from 48% to 44% and experienced from 64% to 60%).
The result is that both leaders are at or near the weakest results yet recorded on a range of measures. Scott Morrison had the worst results yet recorded for either a Prime Minister or Opposition Leader on “understands the major issues” (52%) and “cares for people” (50%) and the worst for a Prime Minister on trustworthy (42%). However, he has the consolation that Anthony Albanese’s results were hardly better at 54%, 56% and 44% respectively. Both also scored poorly on being in touch with voters, at 41% for Morrison and 46% for Albanese, while landing well clear of the 33% Tony Abbott recorded a few weeks after the Prince Phillip knighthood. Conversely, Albanese’s arrogant rating of 38% is the lowest yet recorded, comparing with a middling 60% for Morrison.
Other news:
• A Liberal preselection vote on the weekend for the eastern Melbourne fringe seat of Casey, which will be vacated with the retirement of Tony Smith, was won by Aaron Violi, executive with a company that provides online ordering services to restaurants and a former staffer to Senator James Patterson. The Age reports Violi won the last round of the ballot by 152 votes to 101 ahead of Andrew Asten, principal of Boston Consulting Group and former ministerial chief-of-staff to Alan Tudge, with the last candidate excluded being Melbourne City councillor Roshena Campbell. Earlier reports suggested Campbell and Violi to be aligned with state Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien and party president Robert Clark, while Asten is in the rival Josh Frydenberg/Michael Sukkar camp.
• A Roy Morgan poll, using its somewhat dubious SMS survey method, produced very strong results for the Labor government in Victoria, which was credited with a 58-42 lead on two-party preferred, compared with 57.3-42.7 at the 2018 election. The primary votes were Labor 43%, Coalition 31% and Greens 11%. A forced response question on Daniel Andrews found 60.5% approving and 39.5% disapproving. The poll was conducted last Thursday from a sample of 1357.
Van Badham’s book launch would have been a good one to attend…
‘To Victoria’s Trades Hall on Tuesday night for what looked like the post-lockdown debutante ball of the Left, the launch of Van Badham’s book QAnon and On, which is ranked number one in the conspiracy theories category of the Kindle bookstore.
The crowd was thick with political luminaries, union supremos, arts mavens, community entrepreneurs and members of the commentariat to hear former Labor leader Bill Shorten give a witty speech to launch the book. He spoke self-deprecatingly, “you may know me as Shifty Shorten, Unbelieva-Bill, a faceless man or a man with too much forehead, the grim reaper, a member of the Illuminati, one of the lizard people, the killer of weekends or worse”.
Trades Hall Secretary Luke Hilakari hosted the event in front of green investor Simon Holmes à Court, ACTU Secretary Sally McManus and ACTU President Michele O’Neil, as well as Labor MPs Joanne Ryan, Josh Burns and Andrew Giles.
Also there was Sky News’s token leftie, literary personality Marieke Hardy, playwright Raimondo Cortese, journalist Jamila Rizvi, former NSW senator Sam Dastyari, Moroccan Soup Bar owner Hana Assafiri and Maurice Blackburnites Josh Bornstein and Liberty Sanger.
So many union supremos – from the CPSU, AWU, ASU, HACSU, ETU, IEU – turned up that the event was described as having “more titles than a royal wedding”.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/a-political-quandary-sprouts-for-abc-and-costa-georgiadis-20211117-p599t8.html
It appears that the Coalition’s scare campaign for the election will be around rising Interest Rates, which will magically go up should Labor be elected. The gist of Barnaby Joyce’s argument is that, if Labor are elected then they will cut off the income to the country from fossil fuel sales and that means that interest rates will be put up by the Reserve Bank to get back the money that has been lost.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/16/fact-check-barnaby-joyce-claims-a-labor-government-would-jack-up-interest-rates
I missed this, but good to see WA’s parliament joining the 21st century at last.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/western-australia/regional-and-city-representatives-scrapped-from-wa-s-upper-house-20211117-p599o8.html
(From previous thread)
The real vaccinations numbers for international comparisons appear here: https://covidlive.com.au/ (scroll to the bottom of the page).
Following the link from there gives you this: https://covidlive.com.au/world/vaccinations. This includes Australian state-level totals and links to more detail for each country / jurisdiction.
(From previous thread)
Holdenhillbilly says:
Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:26 am
Counter-terrorism officials have charged a Victorian man who encouraged anti-lockdown protesters to bring firearms to State Parliament and execute Premier Daniel Andrews, and are continuing to investigate other alleged extremists involved in the Melbourne pandemic bill protests.
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And this is the crowd whose political will Somyurek is now effectively enabling on the pandemic bill. It’s a really poor outcome from a policy perspective. Given Somyurek’s antipathy to the ALP, presumably it’s unlikely to be the case that the government can get his vote by making further amendments to the independent oversight and human rights regime in the bill, as recommended by the Ombudsman among others (which amendments I’d welcome).
The ALP would be advised to recognise that the Somyurek situation is of its own making, and that unless it has effective internal governance the ripples of dysfunction will spread out and compromise its ability to govern.
It would also be strongly advised (like every other polity in Australia) to get rid of group ticket voting in the Upper House- that now has a clutch of Liberal Democrats who would otherwise not otherwise be elected. In this instance it could have made the difference. The Andrews government has done zilch on this front.
The Liberals will be delighted. They get a perceived win over Andrews. The fact that the current less democratic legislation which gives the unelected CHO broad powers rather than an elected, and accountable, officer, will be swept under the carpet. The inadequacies of the current legislation are irrelevant to the Liberals as are the serious illness and loss of life that have been caused by this pandemic. If the Liberals never govern in Victoria again it will be too soon.
Confessions says:
Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:55 am
I missed this, but good to see WA’s parliament joining the 21st century at last.
Labor will have a better chance of achieving future double-house majorities in the West Australian Parliament after a new law passed in the early hours of Wednesday morning abolished regional and city representative districts.
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Thank goodness. They also removed group ticket voting in WA. If the Victorian government, the last hold out, doesn’t do that as well, they have rocks in their metaphorical head.
Good morning Dawn Patrollers
Niki Savva says that Morrison is employing a risky strategy to win the votes of disaffected Australians.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/pm-employs-risky-strategy-to-win-the-votes-of-disaffected-australians-20211117-p599mw.html
Winning isn’t everything, so Shaun Carney asks what the Liberal moral legacy might be. He says it’s hard to see how the way that Morrison is behaving now will leave the Liberals in good order in the long run.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/winning-isn-t-everything-what-will-be-the-liberal-moral-legacy-20211116-p599c5.html
While the Morrison Government has done more than enough to lose the upcoming election, Paul Begley asks if Labor has done enough to deserve a win.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/labor-possibly-handing-morrison-another-election-victory,15756
Scott Morrison’s ‘can-do capitalism’ is a hypocritical example of ‘do nothing’ leadership, opines Amy Remeikis.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/nov/17/scott-morrisons-can-do-capitalism-is-a-hypocritical-example-of-do-nothing-leadership
Shane Wright and Jennifer Duke write that wages growth has recovered to its pre-pandemic level but is being outstripped by everyday cost pressures and the heaving property market, raising further questions over when the Reserve Bank will start lifting official interest rates.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/wages-growth-recovers-to-its-pre-pandemic-level-while-pm-spruiks-jobs-20211117-p599ri.html
Anecdotally, employers are spotting similar trends to the American phenomenon. The smart ones are readying themselves, finding ways to make their workplace more attractive. The rest are either oblivious or assuming this seismic rebalancing of the employer-employee relationship is just a passing fad, says David Speers.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-18/federal-election-great-resignation-politicians-opportunities/100628142
Shane Wright reckons turning the HMAS Wages around will take time.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turning-the-hmas-wages-around-will-take-time-20211117-p599pu.html
No, wages are not about to explode – they are struggling to keep up with Australia’s inflation, says Greg Jericho.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/18/no-wages-are-not-about-to-explode-they-are-struggling-to-keep-up-with-australias-inflation
Alan Kohler says that farmers and business are demanding Morrison give them back their ‘slaves’.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2021/11/18/cheap-workers-import-alan-kohler/
David Crowe tells us that Scott Morrison told a key colleague he was not ready to take the leadership during a party crisis three years ago when he pledged loyalty to his predecessor, Malcolm Turnbull.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/i-don-t-want-this-job-liberal-reveals-scott-morrison-s-claim-about-tilt-for-pm-20211117-p599v0.html
Rob Harris writes that an environmental campaigner and philanthropist who donated half a million dollars to the Greens, Labor, and activist group Get Up has joined an independent push to remove a Liberal frontbencher from Federal Parliament, namely Tim Wilson.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/greens-get-up-donor-joins-voices-of-push-targeting-mp-tim-wilson-20211116-p599f8.html
For the current government “the enemy” appears to be anyone trying to hold that government to account — and right now, that’s the ABC, writes Quentin Dempster.
https://johnmenadue.com/under-fire-ita-buttrose-goes-into-battle-for-abc-independence/
Shifting Australia to renewables and hydrogen will take a transition ‘akin to the industrial revolution’, and the costs will be unavoidably huge, however it’s done, explains Jacob Greber.
https://www.afr.com/politics/reality-check-for-morrison-and-taylor-s-golden-ticket-to-net-zero-20211117-p599pt
Hydrogen produced by fossil fuels is more expensive, will release more greenhouse gas emissions and comes with a greater risk of creating stranded assets, according to new research from the Australian National University.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/18/green-hydrogen-beats-blue-on-emissions-and-financial-cost-australian-study-finds
Angela Macdonald-Smith reports that former chief scientist Alan Finkel is the first to acknowledge that carbon capture and storage has been a serial underperformer for the initial purpose it was designed for: coal-fired power generation.
https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/carbon-capture-and-storage-has-to-work-to-reach-net-zero-20211115-p598y7
The government’s modelling leaves some legitimate concerns unanswered, but it does suggest a more ambitious emissions reduction target for 2030 is viable, says Michael Keating.
https://johnmenadue.com/the-unspoken-lesson-from-the-governments-climate-modelling/
Alexandra Smith says that the NSW government’s trove of broken pledges holds promise for Labor.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-government-s-trove-of-broken-pledges-holds-promise-for-labor-20211117-p599nw.html
An unprecedented constitutional imbroglio is expected to be unleashed today by Deputy Premier Vickie Chapman resisting a parliamentary no-confidence motion and SA Premier Steven Marshall refusing to sack her.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/labor-to-move-noconfidence-motion-in-attorneygeneral-vickie-chapman/news-story/46911f23205e585b847116fed24c543b
Counter-terrorism officials have charged a Victorian man who encouraged anti-lockdown protesters to bring firearms to State Parliament and execute Premier Daniel Andrews and are continuing to investigate other alleged extremists involved in the Melbourne pandemic bill protests. The criminal charges are among several cases brought quietly by Victoria Police’s counter-terrorism command security investigation unit and come amid growing evidence that neo-Nazi extremists have infiltrated the Victorian anti-pandemic-law protest movement.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/victoria/far-right-protester-charged-by-counter-terror-police-amid-talk-of-killing-daniel-andrews-20211117-p599qx.html
Elise Thomas tells us that Melbourne’s conspiracy movement is traumatised, incoherent, and potentially dangerous.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-s-conspiracy-movement-is-traumatised-incoherent-and-potentially-dangerous-20211117-p599qk.html
Meanwhile, a federal judge has sentenced the US Capitol rioter known as the “QAnon Shaman” for his horned headdress to 41 months in prison for his role in the deadly January 6 attack by followers of then-president Donald Trump.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/us-capitol-rioter-qanon-shaman-sentenced-to-more-than-three-years-in-jail-20211118-p599w0.html
95-year-old Ed Rafferty lays into Perrottet, telling him to butt out of his decision on how and when to die. He says Perrottet describes euthanasia as a problem created by an uncaring society. It is not. It is a problem caused by some people who deny other people a fundamental right.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-m-95-today-and-i-don-t-need-a-youngster-like-our-premier-telling-me-how-i-may-die-20211113-p598mm.html
Alastair Lawrie explains some serious issues with the new religious discrimination bill. It makes for disturbing reading.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/religious-discrimination-bill-still-discriminates-against-many-despite-removal-of-folau-clause-20211117-p599qb.html
Sarak Martin and Paul Karp report that Michaelia Cash has requested “detailed drafting” from the Australian Law Reform Commission to ensure children are not discriminated against in faith-based schools, as the government pushes ahead with its revised religious discrimination laws.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/18/michaelia-cash-says-no-child-should-be-suspended-or-expelled-under-religious-discrimination-laws
Peta Credlin warns that legislating religious freedom may narrow it.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/legislating-religious-freedom-may-narrow-it/news-story/daf03ef2f227f9c9ff8a45c7e404d73a
The Catholic school system is urging families to lobby against the Victorian government’s plans to prohibit faith-based schools from sacking or refusing to hire teachers or enrol students based on their sexuality or gender identity.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/catholic-schools-urge-families-to-fight-state-discrimination-bill-20211117-p599m5.html
According to The Age, the disgraced Labor powerbroker Adem Somyurek is back in Parliament after belatedly proving his vaccination status and has says he will scuttle the pandemic legislation.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/ugly-mob-daniel-andrews-reveals-threats-to-his-family-amid-toxic-debate-20211117-p599m7.html
It seems Labor has bitten the bullet and decided that to have an overall better quality NBN, more money is needed to upgrade the fibre to the node to full fibre.The Opposition envisages up to 8 million homes with full fibre internet. But even when that job is done, we won’t have seen the end of the NBN saga, explains Paul Budde.
https://johnmenadue.com/money-and-policy-are-the-keys-to-elevate-australia-into-top-broadband-league/
Christian Porter’s legal bill has grown after he was denied access to notes he claimed would assist a Federal Court appeal related to his settled defamation case.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2021/11/17/federal-court-christian-porter/
Veteran journalist Chris Wallace declares that it’s still a man’s word in this nation’s media.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/it-s-still-a-man-s-word-in-this-nation-s-media-20211117-p599qw.html
Matt O’Sullivan reports on yesterday’s proceedings at the inquiry where transport investigators have warned that questions remain over what will happen if conflicts arise between Sydney Trains and the state’s controversial rail corporation at the centre of concerns over safety.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/safety-investigators-warn-questions-remain-over-40b-rail-corporation-20211117-p599p3.html
NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet will be under increased pressure to end pork-barrelling to shore up seats, with Labor to introduce a new bill to overhaul how taxpayer-funded grants are delivered. Alexandra Smith reports that the opposition will introduce a private members’ bill on Thursday in a bid to make the grants “process fairer and more accountable” amid ongoing controversy over election commitments.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/labor-moves-to-clean-up-grants-in-nsw-with-new-bill-20211117-p599ta.html
The 1,000-person convention centre at a Wagga Wagga gun club at the heart of corruption investigations is a major white elephant and not one of the “potential conference events” spruiked to get its $5.5 million grant have eventuated, reports Anthony Klan.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/exclusive-icac-gun-club-a-failure-prior-to-grant,15758
All new large commercial buildings designed from next year will be required to operate at net-zero as part of the latest measures to ramp up the NSW emissions reductions response. Rob Stokes said dark roofing will be discontinued on homes built across Sydney and has taken a swipe at the Commonwealth’s climate agenda while unveiling a suite of measures to ramp up the state’s emissions reductions response.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/dark-roofs-ditched-commercial-buildings-must-be-net-zero-from-2022-nsw-planning-minister-20211117-p599pm.html
Melissa Cunningham writes that Australian hospitals are experiencing a mass exodus of critical care nurses as the coronavirus pandemic stretches healthcare workers further than ever, prompting medical colleges to warn of a pending workforce crisis.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/pandemic-triggers-mass-exodus-of-critical-care-nurses-20211116-p5998i.html
Anthony Galloway reports that Afghan interpreters and other locally engaged workers who are stranded in Afghanistan will have their visas extended every three months, as the federal government moves to address concerns that it has not offered any permanent pathways to protection.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/afghans-who-helped-australia-to-have-visas-extended-every-three-months-20211117-p599pw.html
Craig Thompson, you bloody fool! Must be nominated for “Arsehole of the Week”.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/former-labor-mp-craig-thomson-arrested-over-visa-fraud-allegations-20211117-p599p4.html
Cartoon Corner – there are no SMAge cartoons up yet.
Peter Broelman
David Rowe
Mark Knight
John Spooner
Warren Brown
From the US
The fact that the current less democratic legislation which gives the unelected CHO broad powers rather than an elected, and accountable, officer, will be swept under the carpet.
This position is perverse. The ‘unelected CHO’ (emotive trigger words used to describe an apolitical professional), is a far better person to be entrusted with decision making in a pandemic, than an ‘elected’ and only ‘accountable’ at an election, ‘officer’, whose election by the people would not simply revolve around decisions made during a pandemic but for a multitude of other reasons, and a person, therefore, whose decisions could very easily have been made for populist political reasons rather than health reasons.
max:
WA Labor was only able to achieve electoral reform because of its historic majority in the upper house.
It is not going to be a proper Xmas without coffin bay oysters. I have a right to eat them and the farmers have a right to sell me oysters that might make me sick.
And…. who is this nazi government telling people they can’t have dark coloured roofs?
It looks like the Coalition’s scare campaign for the election is going to be built upon the Interest Rates lie, which goes along the line that, because Labor will cut fossil fuel exports, therefore the country will have severely-restricted income coming in, and therefore the Reserve Bank will have to hike interest rates in order to make up the shortfall, and that will come out of your pockets Australian electorate (Vote for us!) 🙄
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/16/fact-check-barnaby-joyce-claims-a-labor-government-would-jack-up-interest-rates
Wet weekend and week coming up:
4 days 18 to 21 Nov:
4 days 22 to 25 Nov
8 days 18 to 25 Nov:
C@t
In a pandemic or any health crisis, we should be able to rely on health experts, not politicians (not counting Coatsworth and Murphy as experts, in this instance).
lizzie @ #13 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 7:30 am
Yes, exactly. Certainly not someone who is making decisions based upon their re-election potential!
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/11/18/whos-the-fairest/#comment-3750429
The Yankee/ Deputy Sheriff model y’all?
Pommy traditions?
Or learning from Scandinavia, Switzerland, Singapore … splitting policy, competency, services?
Shore up governance, for greater transparency, integrity, accountability?
Boy, yesterdays DRUM was brutal.
https://iview.abc.net.au/video/NC2107H208S00
I am in Casey, and according to Williams’ description of the Liberal selection ‘battle’, it has been won by Aaron Violi, a former staffer to Senator James Patterson, over Andrew Asten, principal of Boston Consulting Group and former ministerial chief-of-staff to Alan Tudge.
And then they accuse Labor candidates of being party hacks!
Not a good weekend to be putting up the Christmas decorations but it does give me a chance to clean the gutters, if I’m so inclined, before the heavy rain arrives
I bought this amazing Xmas tree decoration the other day. You have the star on top connected to a veil of lights that you just throw over the top of the tree and voila! it’s done! Except for the baubles. And the tinsel. And the present buying. And the present wrapping. 😀
‘Labor possibly handing Morrison another election victory’
This Paul Begley fellow over at the Independent needs to get on to PB to cure his bed-wetting tendencies.
Albo is going to win.
Morrison is toast.
That is it.
Sit back, enjoy the ride.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/labor-possibly-handing-morrison-another-election-victory,15756
Confessions says:
Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 7:16 am
max:
WA Labor was only able to achieve electoral reform because of its historic majority in the upper house.
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That’s true. However there is no reason that the Andrews Government could not have attempted removal of group ticket voting either after 2014 or 2018. While it did not have an Upper House majority, it had, and has, good prospects of reaching a deal with other parties/independents to remove group ticket voting – as the Turnbull government did in 2016 without a Senate majority – with, appallingly in my view, the Federal ALP’s opposition.
If we put up with a system that allows MPs from micro parties to be selected by preference harvesters, then we can’t complain if we end up with one or two unhinged MPs standing in the way of progressive governments.
So, Barnaby Joyce and Scott Morrison are running around like Chicken Littles squawking that ‘Labor will jack up your interest rates’ if Labor are elected, but this is what the Governor of the Reserve Bank said about that yesterday:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/wages-growth-recovers-to-its-pre-pandemic-level-while-pm-spruiks-jobs-20211117-p599ri.html
If we put up with a system that allows MPs from micro parties to be selected by preference harvesters, then we can’t complain if we end up with one or two unhinged MPs standing in the way of progressive governments.
When the truth is that it’s the Micro Party MPs in Victoria’s Upper House who are reasonably dealing with the Progressive Victorian State Labor government of Dan Andrews, and the MPs from the Liberals, Nationals, and a vindictive Labor MP (all from the major parties last time I looked), that are sabotaging a Progressive government.
‘Labor has an impressive team of shadow ministers, any one of whom could take the helm and present the alternative governing party as principled and dynamic. I would place former New South Wales Premier Kristina Keneally at the top of that list. Bill Hayden resigned as Labor leader in 1983 on the eve of an election when it was put him that the Party needed a more certain winner. Bob Hawke was installed and won a resounding victory. Even though Hayden might have been right in saying that a drover’s dog would have won the 1983 Election, Labor was right to improve its chances with the more recognised and energetic figure of Hawke.
Neither the shifting opinion polls nor competing election axioms point to a Labor win as things stand. Like Bill Hayden, Albanese is a decent man but there is a strong argument for him to willingly stand aside for a safer option.’
Paul Begley over at the Independent is too far gone.
This Liberal MP may be regretting that she addressed the riotous rabble after news that one of its attendees has been arrested by counter-terrorism officers.
Unlike 1983, there is no messiah in the wings. I can’t see that a late switch of leadership doing Labor any good.
Thanks BK for todays news!
Steve777 @ #26 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 8:18 am
Labor will have to cop it sweet then rebuild under new energetic and enthusiastic leadership hit the ground campaigning from ’22 with a view to winning in ’25.
The Liberals in Victoria are beyond idiotic.
They should have realised who are weaponising the protests in Victoria.
The fact that there were Trump flags, dont tread on me flags in the crowds over the past few months, should have rung alarm bells for the stupid fibs.
C@tmomma,
We leave our LED lights on the tree so it’s less of a chore.
We didn’t have a tree topper, so I bought a Sulphur-crested Cockatoo one; I hope it’s not too heavy.
New Delhi suspends coal-fired plants and closes schools indefinitely amid ongoing air pollution
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-17/india-closes-new-delhi-coal-plants-schools-air-pollution/100628802
Steve777 @ #26 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 7:48 am
Plenty of drovers dogs.
The Gallup polling was pretty accurate back in ’83. The last poll for Hayden wasnt that far off the election result. If you squint, you might see some Democrats moving to the ALP.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/victoria/far-right-protester-charged-by-counter-terror-police-amid-talk-of-killing-daniel-andrews-20211117-p599qx.html
Terrorists should be deported to their home country of USA, the training ground for terrorists.
The US also has some of the strongest Anti racist and anti fascist (and anti laissez faire capitalism) protest movements. The first two often well supported in the main stream and even the bracketed one gets some general support – and all three are well represented in one of the main political parties.
And Americans give to charity far more than Australians.
It is a complicated place that probably needs a therapist for a President.
Jaeger @ #31 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 8:39 am
We have plenty of real ones around here, you can have one if you like! All you have to do to keep them in place is keep feeding them. 😀
The fact that there were Trump flags, dont tread on me flags in the crowds over the past few months, should have rung alarm bells for the stupid fibs.
They’re not very original are they?
This from vanbadam. The fibs have a lot to answer for cosying up with neo nazis.
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The radicals did not “hijack” the protests, they CREATED them.
In fact, then organisers of the anti-lockdown protests in Australia were a German-based extremist group.
Research from @LogicallyAI exposed this months ago: https://t.co/Lm3etEMWyg
#auspol #springst
Steve777
They are all useful idiots being led by the groups who wish to disrupt our democracy.
As I have said, the liberals ought to be disgusted with themselves. They are not being original by following the Republican party which has now been overrun by extremists who are not interested in democracy.
Yep. And no doubt the fiberals are praising Adem Somyrek. How low can they possibly go.
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COUNTER TERROR POLICE have moved in on far right protesters who plotted to shoot and kill elected MPs to protest against lifesaving pandemic laws. The far right groups, which include neo-nazis, have praised Adem Somyurek as a hero after he pledged to vote down the laws. #auspol
They are not being original by following the Republican party which has now been overrun by extremists who are not interested in democracy.
Somehow I think that’s exactly what Clive Palmer is interested in. No more messy democracy.
🙂 We have plenty of our own, thank you.
New Delhi suspends coal-fired plants and closes schools indefinitely amid ongoing air pollution
This is an example of the Karma Bus hitting India after its disgraceful performance at COP26.
Jaeger @ #42 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 9:06 am
Just trying to help. 😆
C@t
Of course Clive palmer is not interested in democracy.
It boggles my mind that anyone thinks Clive palmer is fighting for the everyday person.
The cognitive dissonance is strong.
I hope the fence he is sitting on includes barbed-wire.
I see Mundo is still acting like Louis Nolan at Balaclava, urging Albo and the Light Brigade to charge! Charge! He’s been doing that for the last two and a half years. Thank goodness that Albo and his team have thus far shown far more wisdom than Lords Raglan, Lucan and Cardigan. Let alone our own backward hen, lord Mundo.
We are still in the manoeuvring stage of this battle. One does not waste all one’s cavalry manoeuvring.
Personally, I’d like to see Labor delay its climate change policy until the election campaign proper: too many potential traps and pitfalls given that it will be fighting not one enemy, but two: both eager to wedge Labor. Best to take a last minute appraisal of the political zeitgeist before launching the horsies at the breach.
Steve777 @ #37 Thursday, November 18th, 2021 – 8:28 am
Not very Australian either; taking instructions from German extremists and using US flags.
I do struggle with the concept of these people having extreme ideas of individualism yet claim to be ultra patriotic. They are of course, like Palmer, using both ideas for self serving purposes. They are not in the slightest bit interested in the anyone else’s freedoms and their patriotism is so narrow as to be utterly meaningless.
I see Morrison is undermining the States again. ALP states of course.