Who’s the fairest

Newspoll results on attitudes to the leaders find both performing poorly eve by the grim standards of recent history.

The Australian had follow-up results from the weekend Newspoll on Tuesday showing how the two leaders compared on nine attributes, with accompanying tables neatly comparing the results to 14 earlier following the same template going back go 2008. It is characteristic of such results to move in lock step with a leader’s overall approval rating, and these are no exception, with Scott Morrison’s position deteriorating by between eight (arrogant up from 52% to 60%) and sixteen (likeable down from 63% to 47%) points since April, while Anthony Albanese’s movements ranged from positive two (arrogant from 40% to 38%) to negative four (trustworthy from 48% to 44% and experienced from 64% to 60%).

The result is that both leaders are at or near the weakest results yet recorded on a range of measures. Scott Morrison had the worst results yet recorded for either a Prime Minister or Opposition Leader on “understands the major issues” (52%) and “cares for people” (50%) and the worst for a Prime Minister on trustworthy (42%). However, he has the consolation that Anthony Albanese’s results were hardly better at 54%, 56% and 44% respectively. Both also scored poorly on being in touch with voters, at 41% for Morrison and 46% for Albanese, while landing well clear of the 33% Tony Abbott recorded a few weeks after the Prince Phillip knighthood. Conversely, Albanese’s arrogant rating of 38% is the lowest yet recorded, comparing with a middling 60% for Morrison.

Other news:

• A Liberal preselection vote on the weekend for the eastern Melbourne fringe seat of Casey, which will be vacated with the retirement of Tony Smith, was won by Aaron Violi, executive with a company that provides online ordering services to restaurants and a former staffer to Senator James Patterson. The Age reports Violi won the last round of the ballot by 152 votes to 101 ahead of Andrew Asten, principal of Boston Consulting Group and former ministerial chief-of-staff to Alan Tudge, with the last candidate excluded being Melbourne City councillor Roshena Campbell. Earlier reports suggested Campbell and Violi to be aligned with state Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien and party president Robert Clark, while Asten is in the rival Josh Frydenberg/Michael Sukkar camp.

• A Roy Morgan poll, using its somewhat dubious SMS survey method, produced very strong results for the Labor government in Victoria, which was credited with a 58-42 lead on two-party preferred, compared with 57.3-42.7 at the 2018 election. The primary votes were Labor 43%, Coalition 31% and Greens 11%. A forced response question on Daniel Andrews found 60.5% approving and 39.5% disapproving. The poll was conducted last Thursday from a sample of 1357.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  3. This is a fascinating conversation that Rachel Maddow has with a TV anchor in Colorado who basically said about the outrage machines that Republican politicians have become, in order to garner free air time, wtte ‘I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more!’ Which I wish journalists in Australia would do wrt Craig Kelly, Pauline Hanson and their ilk:

    https://youtu.be/VhIbwgND4YY

  4. Q: (ALP) given up on being serious about economics..

    Unlike the LNP and the ‘debt and deficit disaster’ this country was facing- before tripling the debt and the coalition never mentioning it again.

  6. Wouldn’t take much of a fire to produce a 500m column of smoke. Maybe they meant 5000m or maybe they picked a random number believing it to sound impressive.

  7. C@tmomma at 9:36 pm

    This is a fascinating conversation that Rachel Maddow has with a TV anchor in Colorado who basically said about the outrage machines that Republican politicians have become, in order to garner free air time

    TV anchor would say that. The fucking media created that mode. Trump in his original campaign gained $Billions in free ‘advertising’ from all the wall to wall ‘outrage’ features the MSM filled the airwaves with. The MSM made a fortune out of the ‘outrage industry’ and kept pumping it out. When there wasn’t an actual ‘outrage’ they’d create one. So surprise surprise when pollies decide that is the way to go.

  10. TV anchor would say that. The fucking media created that mode. Trump in his original campaign gained $Billions in free ‘advertising’ from all the wall to wall ‘outrage’ features the MSM filled the airwaves with. The MSM made a fortune out of the ‘outrage industry’ and kept pumping it out. When there wasn’t an actual ‘outrage’ they’d create one. So surprise surprise when pollies decide that is the way to go.

    It’s all about the clicks; “reality” TV.

    Karen from Kentucky Colorado is a symptom of that.

  14. Bucephalus @ #1935 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:57 pm

    According to the Lefties in my Twitter feed self defence should not be an allowable defence against a murder charge and especially for a white guy charged with murdering blacks despite none of the victims being black. It has a very Pell feeling about it all – guilty just for who they are.

    Why should it be if you chose to take the weapon with you.

  16. Q: “The city of Dubai is a fucking joke. Its a tasteless parody of everything wrong with modern humanity”

    Indeed. I thought it was the worst city on Earth (considering its immense wealth) until I toured around Doha, Qatar…..which is even worse.

  20. Frednk says:
    Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:23 pm

    The Australian team got the patent and the money. The rest is just noise on the internet.
    _________
    I nearly got into a fight once for arguing that Phar Lap wasn’t an Australian horse.

  21. [‘Vaccine rollout:

    NSW

    91.8% fully vaccinated; 94.4% first dose

    National

    85.1% fully vaccinated; 91.5% first dose

    Of the estimated population aged 16 and over’] – SMH


  22. nath says:
    Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:27 pm

    Frednk says:
    Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:23 pm

    The Australian team got the patent and the money. The rest is just noise on the internet.
    _________
    I nearly got into a fight once for arguing that Phar Lap wasn’t an Australian horse.

    Relevance?

  24. How about some Bach?

    Bach.. Bach.. Bach.. ruff!… growl!…

    The vinyl LP crackles are a nice touch. 🙂
    The first CD I bought was Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon”; “Sky 2” was in the trifecta.

    I recently obtained Sky’s “The Great Balloon Race” on CD. It’s not my favourite, but not having a digital version of it was annoying.

    You’d like track 2, “Allegro”:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHiSIND96ZI

  25. Another example of an Australian first, even though the science underlying this has been going on for years and in many countries..

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-21/canberran-develops-iodine-electric-propulsion-system-space/100636496

    Btw, an Iodine based ion thruster (or many thrusters) would be very useful for a Earth-Mars transit vehicle. Wouldn’t be the main propulsion unit, but very useful for rotation (spin gravity), orbital manoeuvres, mid course corrections and of course as a final backup.

  26. Jaeger @ #1621 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 10:15 pm

    TV anchor would say that. The fucking media created that mode. Trump in his original campaign gained $Billions in free ‘advertising’ from all the wall to wall ‘outrage’ features the MSM filled the airwaves with. The MSM made a fortune out of the ‘outrage industry’ and kept pumping it out. When there wasn’t an actual ‘outrage’ they’d create one. So surprise surprise when pollies decide that is the way to go.

    It’s all about the clicks; “reality” TV.

    Karen from Kentucky Colorado is a symptom of that.

    At least the fight back from within the American journalistic community has begun. Would you rather it hadn’t?

  27. Cud Chewer,

    I really like that youtube channel (adam something). I’ve been watching it for a while. His thoughts on Elon Musk and his visions like the hyperloop are really worth a watch.

  30. The Reactionary Conservatives have had it their way for far too long.
    They dismantled tertiary education again, except for the children of the wealthy and privileged elites (plus a few grateful, exceptionally talented poor kids), or unless you were prepared to send yourself into penury, and left the rest to ‘educate’ themselves. Which they then fed propaganda to them online via propaganda mills and with the complicity of facebook, mainly, and Fox news and other Murdoch media via the mainstream media stream. Then the Reactionary Conservatives injected politicians into politics that have continued to juice up the rubes in the cheap seats. So, I think it’s great that at last there are some journalists starting the fightback.

    Be cynical all you want, but that’s how you lay down and let them run right over the top of you.

  31. At least the fight back from within the American journalistic community has begun. Would you rather it hadn’t?

    It’s a start. They created the monster; they should destroy it.

    The real question is whether the local MSM will skip to the chase.

  32. C@t

    “At least the fight back from within the American journalistic community has begun. Would you rather it hadn’t?”

    It began years ago. Even before Trump was elected, the Huffington Post put all Trump stories into the entertainment section. But, have they managed to electroshock a clue into the Trump voters, yet?

  34. Cud Chewer says:
    Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:42 pm

    Another example of an Australian first,
    _______________
    Blimey! We Australians have got science coming out of our arseholes!

  35. I have several Sky albums in my Spotify favourites. I wonder if they can be credited with the “classical metal” genre?

    Maybe. 🙂

    Sky were the first band that I saw live, at the Melbourne Concert Hall.
    I was disappointed that John Williams wasn’t there, but they still rocked.

  37. C@tmomma says:
    Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:48 pm

    “They dismantled tertiary education again, except for the children of the wealthy and privileged elites (plus a few grateful, exceptionally talented poor kids)”

    What are you talking about?

  39. Jaeger

    That takes me back to the lecturer with a South American accent who taught “Electromagnetic Propagation and Antenna Theory”.. oh god that was the last exam paper I ever took in my life and it was the stuff of nightmares.

    It is true that that technically, energy flows in the EM field. So if you look up at a high tension power line what you’re actually seeing is energy (and lots of it) flowing through the air. Scary thought. (The wires themselves merely define the boundary conditions for the EM field that sets up what amounts to a wave guide.)

    It still grates on me though. In much the same way that a “capacitor displacement current” is a necessary evil, but still feels sus…

  40. Morning all. If any farmer still needs proof the Nationals no longer care about farming at all, here is your proof. Wine employs a lot of people in the Hunter Valley. Hard to do it without grapes.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/20/inconceivable-hunter-coal-plan-may-spell-disaster-for-prime-wine-country

    Economically this is madness too: sacrificing a long-term, labour-intensive industry for one that is short term and highly automated.

  41. Based on “the health advice”? Um…not exactly.

    What other failures will these parliamentary inquiries reveal about Gladys’ poor handling of the Delta outbreak?

    The NSW government imposed harsh lockdown restrictions on the poorest areas of Sydney’s west and south-west despite Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant advising that the rules should be implemented consistently across Greater Sydney.

    Emails sent between health officials and Health Minister Brad Hazzard in mid-August have revealed Dr Chant recommended that “consistent measures” be implemented across all of Sydney.

    Despite the health advice, the extended lockdown left 12 local government areas under restrictions that were far tougher than other parts of Sydney, outraging community leaders who declared the handling of the Delta outbreak had left the city divided.

    “Implement consistent measures across greater metropolitan Sydney with outdoor masks, consistent 5km rule and authorised workers only,” Dr Chant wrote in the email of recommendations on August 14.

    That day, the government restricted Greater Sydney residents to travel within five kilometres of their local government area (LGA) border, while residents in south-western and western Sydney hotspots were restricted to five kilometres from their house.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/kerry-chant-urged-consistent-lockdown-restrictions-across-all-of-sydney-emails-reveal-20211121-p59aq4.html

  42. NSW rabble led by Let it RIP Dom…

    The NSW government imposed harsh lockdown restrictions on the poorest areas of Sydney’s west and south-west despite Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant advising that the rules should be implemented consistently across Greater Sydney.

    Emails sent between health officials and Health Minister Brad Hazzard in mid-August have revealed Dr Chant recommended that “consistent measures” be implemented across all of Sydney.

    The NSW government imposed harsh lockdown restrictions on the poorest areas of Sydney’s west and south-west despite Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant advising that the rules should be implemented consistently across Greater Sydney.

    Emails sent between health officials and Health Minister Brad Hazzard in mid-August have revealed Dr Chant recommended that “consistent measures” be implemented across all of Sydney.

  43. More from Berejiklian’s Delta failure: those LGAs of concern suffered the highest unemployment than all of Sydney.

    The unemployment rate in Sydney’s Inner South West statistical region, which includes the Canterbury-Bankstown council area, climbed to 8.8 per cent in October, the highest in the metropolitan area. The rate was below 5 per cent before the pandemic. Unemployment among men in Sydney’s Inner South West reached 10.4 per cent in October, more than double what it was in mid-2019, Australian Bureau of Statistics local area employment data show.

    The adjacent South West statistical area, which includes Fairfield, Cabramatta and Liverpool, had the city’s second-highest unemployment rate of 8 per cent while Parramatta had the third-highest with 7.9 per cent. The unemployment rate among women in the Parramatta region was 10 per cent last month.

    The unemployment rate across Greater Sydney last month was 5.7 per cent (in original terms).

    Sutherland had the lowest unemployment in Greater Sydney last month at 2.8 per cent. Other districts with low jobless rates were the North Shore (3 per cent), Baulkham Hills and Hawkesbury (3.1 per cent) and the Eastern Suburbs (3.3 per cent).

    Employment across Greater Sydney fell by 215,000 during the lockdown period between June and October, but the slump was concentrated in the Inner South West (down 56,600) and Parramatta (down 36,500).

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/areas-with-the-toughest-lockdowns-emerge-with-the-highest-unemployment-20211121-p59are.html

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