The Australian had follow-up results from the weekend Newspoll on Tuesday showing how the two leaders compared on nine attributes, with accompanying tables neatly comparing the results to 14 earlier following the same template going back go 2008. It is characteristic of such results to move in lock step with a leader’s overall approval rating, and these are no exception, with Scott Morrison’s position deteriorating by between eight (arrogant up from 52% to 60%) and sixteen (likeable down from 63% to 47%) points since April, while Anthony Albanese’s movements ranged from positive two (arrogant from 40% to 38%) to negative four (trustworthy from 48% to 44% and experienced from 64% to 60%).
The result is that both leaders are at or near the weakest results yet recorded on a range of measures. Scott Morrison had the worst results yet recorded for either a Prime Minister or Opposition Leader on “understands the major issues” (52%) and “cares for people” (50%) and the worst for a Prime Minister on trustworthy (42%). However, he has the consolation that Anthony Albanese’s results were hardly better at 54%, 56% and 44% respectively. Both also scored poorly on being in touch with voters, at 41% for Morrison and 46% for Albanese, while landing well clear of the 33% Tony Abbott recorded a few weeks after the Prince Phillip knighthood. Conversely, Albanese’s arrogant rating of 38% is the lowest yet recorded, comparing with a middling 60% for Morrison.
Other news:
• A Liberal preselection vote on the weekend for the eastern Melbourne fringe seat of Casey, which will be vacated with the retirement of Tony Smith, was won by Aaron Violi, executive with a company that provides online ordering services to restaurants and a former staffer to Senator James Patterson. The Age reports Violi won the last round of the ballot by 152 votes to 101 ahead of Andrew Asten, principal of Boston Consulting Group and former ministerial chief-of-staff to Alan Tudge, with the last candidate excluded being Melbourne City councillor Roshena Campbell. Earlier reports suggested Campbell and Violi to be aligned with state Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien and party president Robert Clark, while Asten is in the rival Josh Frydenberg/Michael Sukkar camp.
• A Roy Morgan poll, using its somewhat dubious SMS survey method, produced very strong results for the Labor government in Victoria, which was credited with a 58-42 lead on two-party preferred, compared with 57.3-42.7 at the 2018 election. The primary votes were Labor 43%, Coalition 31% and Greens 11%. A forced response question on Daniel Andrews found 60.5% approving and 39.5% disapproving. The poll was conducted last Thursday from a sample of 1357.
I like this story about Menzies:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-30/liberal-party-of-robert-menzies-proudly-delivered-large-deficits/12609876
An anti-Howard.
C@t
Its an injustice so please at least acknowledge that. And you’re over-hyping the ‘stick’ bit. There’s well known ways to make the issue disappear in the noise.
“It could have simply spelt out a better alternative – like any good opposition shoild do.”
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Yet Labor continues to side with the Coalition over and over and over again. Some people just never learn. They will continue to do it for as long as you continue turning a blind eye to it. A vote for Labor is effectively a vote for Coalition policies like Indue, tax cuts for the rich, and leaving people in poverty.
“Why don’t any of his colleagues want to sit next to him?”
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Delete your account.
sprocket_ @ #1897 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:05 pm
Not that I’ve heard of.
The Garuda flights remain as they have been for months, (1 – 2 / week,) and Qantas is not flying here yet.
International travellers still have to quarantine when they arrive, so that doesn’t fit the tourist model.
The Government wants to open up Bali, but it is too important to them to stuff it up, so I can’t see it happening in the short term.
Bucephalus @ #1902 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:09 pm
Really? How often is this the case?
Firefox @ #1906 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:18 pm
Why?
Barney in Tanjung Bunga says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 3:08 pm
“How much is enough?”
That depends on the individual.
“What is the benefit to the society of this accumulation of wealth?”
Oh, I don’t know – investing Pharmaceutical Companies and Higher Education (both through donations and taxation) that leads to the ability to develop vaccines for a global pandemic in under a year. Just one example.
Tell me about the IT hardware and software you are using to communicate with us today? No benefit?
Seriously, have a think sometimes before you hit the keys. You actually post some quite reasonable stuff but occasionally……
Firefox
What do you think you gain from endlessly asserting the bullshit line that there is no difference between Liberal and Labor? Especially here.
All it does is antagonise people because it is bullshit, and it advances your cause by zero.
The Darling River is going to have plenty of water for the next few months.
Hmmmm….
I know that some Bludgers assert that this sort of thing should not be posted about China unless we also post about Saudi murders and terrorism exports, the rank brutalities of Hindu nationalists against Indian muslims, not to speak of Japanese bastardy when it comes to the Yasukuni Shrine or a US justice system that protects murderers of Afro Americans. There. All those things.
Here is the really hot goss. You won’t get it in The Global Times or in The Australian.
The sentence for rape in China is mandatory execution.
Peng’s alleged rapist, Zhang Gaoli, helped Xi Zhongxun during some bad troubles he was having with one of Mao’s periodic bouts of bastardry.
Xi Zhongxun was the father of none other than Xi Jingping.
Xi owes Zhang, bit time.
The ABC article on Chantal the anti-vaxxer baker who has left her job, is a real sob story from her perspective. However it fails to mention what her co-workers think of her views. Perhaps they think that being forced to work alongside someone like her is something that they should not be subjected to. Is their own health and that of their families, especially children of no consequence? Perhaps the ABC should now interview some people who have willingly accepted vaccination.
Barney in Tanjung Bungasays:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:22 pm
“Firefox @ #1906 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:18 pm
“Why don’t any of his colleagues want to sit next to him?”
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Delete your account.
Why?”
I knew there’d be some tool who would fly off the handle at that.
If you look at the layout they have set up a desk for Senator Steele but there are no other seats and desks next to where he is. For someone to sit next to him they would have to grab a chair from somewhere and then wouldn’t have a desk unless a temporary one was provided.
I know that you weren’t being offensive – the picture doesn’t adequately show the layout of the permanent seats and desks in the chamber versus what was put in for Senator Steele.
Bucephalus says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:24 pm
The Darling River is going to have plenty of water for the next few months.
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Until it doesn’t. Brilliant hydrographic work there, Buce.
Firefox says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 6:36 pm
“And I know you like to stoke the Labor/Green fire”
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Just like I know you like to turn a blind eye and point the finger at others as you always have…
I’m not stoking any fire…
Butter wouldn’t melt either.
The Greens campaign at all times, in all places and on all things for the defeat of Labor. This is necessary for their own longevity. The corollary is unbroken rule by, of, and for the reactionaries.
Thanks Barney, with the EU and Russia in the depths of a 4th wave – I’ve been looking at a trip to Jakarta/Yogyakarta next year. Which is probably safer (and closer) than anti-vax central in Europe.
Looking at a few Indonesian YouTubers, remarkable how much I understand. Like learning to ride a bike, once you know a language it just stays dormant until activated?
There’s a lot to be said for the music of Arcangelo Corelli.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/11/18/whos-the-fairest/comment-page-38/#comment-3754592
As is relatively clear in the photo, there is no seat next to Senator Steele-John.
Bucephalus @ #1902 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:09 pm
So, it’s ok for someone well off to travel as much as they like in retirement, but those less fortunate are constrained by the Government.
“What do you think you gain from endlessly asserting the bullshit line that there is no difference between Liberal and Labor.”
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What do you think you gain by this kayfabe nonsense you’re going on with?
What do you think you gain by blindly supporting a party like Labor which is such a big part of the problem? You point the finger at others while supporting a party that’s doing the very things you get stuck into others for being responsible for! You lot do it alllll the time.
By voting for Labor you are contributing to these problems and helping the Coalition. You are helping the conservative cause. That is the result of voting for Labor.
Here’s the best thing you will see today.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1456988192654204928
No one here should complain about voters hanging on to irrational beliefs when their own seem to be set in concrete.
It says here that the residents of Denham saw a 500m high pillar of fire that was HMAS Sydney blowing up. I had never hear of this before. The Sydney sank around 470km from Denham – roughly the distance from Sydney to Albury. So it hardly seems likely.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-21/remembering-the-645-lives-lost-on-hmas-sydney-on-80th/100627448
Cud Chewers at 7:22 pm
Why not ? We already have the same crap re the evil Greens and the Coalition .
The ABC article on Chantal the anti-vaxxer baker who has left her job, is a real sob story from her perspective. However it fails to mention what her co-workers think of her views. Perhaps they think that being forced to work alongside someone like her is something that they should not be subjected to. Is their own health and that of their families, especially children of no consequence? Perhaps the ABC should now interview some people who have willingly accepted vaccination.
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My daughter is in a small office where a number of staff refuse to be vaccinated. The owners will not be mandating it, so my daughter feels at risk of bringing Covid home to her little son who has had some chest issues.
Firefox – I used to vote Green (yup a long time ago) one of the reasons I stopped was their righteousness along with flat out lies like you posted.
Labor are not Conservative, they implemented Medicare, Superannuation, NDIS, NBN, Aged Pensions etc – Conservative do nothing governments do not believe in these sort of reforms
Barney in Tanjung Bunga says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:36 pm
“So, it’s ok for someone well off to travel as much as they like in retirement, but those less fortunate are constrained by the Government.”
Life isn’t fair and what some think is fair others won’t. My kids learnt that at a very young age. I don’t have the boat or car I want and I don’t get to ride up the front of the plane when I fly and I have to work to maintain my lifestyle – I think it’s unfair but that’s life.
BK
Hard.
At 470 km, even the top of a 500 m column of smoke would be below the horizon.
“Labor are not Conservative”
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They most certainly are when they support things such as tax cuts for the rich, leaving people on JobSeeker in poverty, the Indue card trials, Beetaloo, Adani, abusing innocent asylum seekers, giving massive subsidies to the fossil fuel industry, etc… If you are voting for Labor you are voting for all of those and more.
Labor is a shadow of it’s former self. I’m the opposite to you – I used to vote for them before they started lurching to the right all the time.
Make absolutely no mistake about it, a vote for Labor is not a progressive vote. Any progressive who gives Labor their first preference has completely wasted their vote and has ended up helping the Coalition and the conservatives.
The Greens MP who is taking part in the SBS can you live on jobseeker series seems to think that it should contain provision for smoking and, presumably drinking.
She did not specify how much but a pack of 20 ciggies will set you back around $30 a day.
So, according to that Greens MP, jobseeker should provide $11,000 per annum for the ciggies.
The drinking must be assumed but lets say two beers a day. Let’s say $2.5o a can or $5 a day. Another $2000 a year.
That is a minimum of $13,000 to keep your addictions topped up.
I don’t know whether I agree with that Greens MP.
With this whole Lib / Lab the same and massively different both views are valid. Both are deeply in thrall to the worst of neo-liberalism.
Gillard and Swan were so desperate for a surplus they were willing to just punish single mothers (easy weak target) Albo is still captured by these ideas that have caused such pain and inequality, have done such damage to our community.
On the other hand compare lib and lab and the liberals will be better every time.
At different times both perspectives are valuable.
Need to be careful you don’t get obsessive with either view or you’ll end up obsessives, say for a random example obsessively anti-China, and you’ll be compelled to post a whole range of idiotic things that make it look like you lack all understanding and are so obsessed with either the fear or hate driving you, that you have no perspective and frankly can’t see past your nose.
According to the Lefties in my Twitter feed self defence should not be an allowable defence against a murder charge and especially for a white guy charged with murdering blacks despite none of the victims being black. It has a very Pell feeling about it all – guilty just for who they are.
‘Steve777 says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:52 pm
At 470 km, even the top of a 500 m column of smoke would be below the horizon.’
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Thanks. That is what I would have thought. I wonder where the story came from and why the ABC did not fact check it.
The changes to the Single Mothers Pension were because there were single mothers accessing that pension until the youngest child turned 18 and had left school
Just too easy to sponge on the public purse – relying on the pension and a Child Support Assessment along with the Family Allowance
So no incentive to even consider earning an income – which left them in trouble when the supports stopped
Mind you, the way to encourage single mothers to employment is for fathers to obtain the primary parenting order (and it helps with property settlement as well!!)
First hand experience back in the day
Never got the single mothers pension mind but there was a (minimal) CSA Assessment in my favour until the youngest left school after turning 18 (and only received the Family Benefit part a and part b – because I left the workforce to parent my children)
The other thing is define single mother
Because fathers also have access to their children and are, accordingly, actively involved in their parenting
And this from the rusted on supporters of the Party of lifters and leaners – so yet another contradiction on the alter of blathering
They vote for the colossal fossil for a reason
Buce
Good point. It is very Pell for the US cops to keep killing hundreds of blacks a year with near complete impunity. Bang bang. You’re dead. Goodbye and thanks for coming.
How’s Pell’s super luxury pad in the Vatican panning out? Has he invited you in for a personal inspection, yet?
Bucephalus @ 7.24
“The Darling River is going to have plenty of water for the next few months.”
And a well National and an equally well known Liberal were overheard saying “Have we got a deal for you”
“Up the good old Barka Road for you”
Australia has a good old right wing third world regime favouring the rich over the poor, on a daily basis, with a leader as “crooked as a dog’s hind leg”, together with institutionalized fraud and corruption, openly lining the pockets of the less needy.
And yet the very small percentage of engaged voters squabble over pennies to make themselves relevant.
The fact that Morrison and cronies are within cooee of being elected and that getting rid of their mess is not paramount in importance is beyond comprehension.
WA voters get it!
Qld voters get it!
Vic voters get it!
NT voters get it!
ACT voters get it!
SA voters get it and will fix it!
NSW voters know they have the lottery that is house prices with the the recent reality soap opera regarding St Gladys hardly stirring the loins of Sydney’s denizens as they remained trapped in their windfalls, paralyzed with fear that they’ll miss the next pandemic of house price rises.
Tassie does isolation, genocide, a disproportionate number of Senators and an infection of poker machines.
Give us an election to clean out the sock drawer ! FFS !
Observer says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:59 pm
The changes to the Single Mothers Pension were because there were single mothers accessing that pension until the youngest child turned 18 and had left school
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Actually it was 16 and was a key part of the Hawke/Keating welfare arrangements to combat child poverty.
Firefox…..would a conservative government initiate and implement – NDIS, Medicare, Superannuation etc?
I have to hand the Kilbreda College Annual for 1960. Cardinal Mannix was the patron. What caught my eye was an article on ‘Fatima’ by Claire Mullins. The second line in this article is quite blunt:
‘The Message of Fatima – Hell exists.’
Youse have been warned.
“The Greens MP who is taking part in the SBS can you live on jobseeker series”
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Seriously thanks for bringing that up, I wasn’t aware about it. Shall be watching now.
The threatened senate boycott by various LNP senators unless ScoMo over rules the states on vaccine mandates is misguided. Any such move would probably be unconstitutional as health is still in theory the domain of the States, so the Commonwealth can do nothing about it. But then again some of the LNP senators are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
I guess that senior government ministers don’t want to point this out to their own backbenchers as it makes them look weak. But at some stage trying to walk both sides of the streets gets you run over.
nath @ #1897 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 6:38 pm
I still remember when those changes happened and the same rusted-ons here and elsewhere on the internet were falling over themselves to spin about how egalitarian they were and, if you opposed them (or expressed the slightest concern), you were actually anti-welfare, anti-single mother and pro-poverty.
Goll says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:01 pm
Given the current polling it really is Albo’s to lose. I’m not surprised. Australians regularly think that the incumbents have been there long enough and it’s time for a change. Si la vie. Happened to Fraser, happened to Howard and now it’s happening to Morrison. If Morrison were to pull of a victory, even a hung parliament victory I would reassess my atheism.
I expect the ALP will come in. Be in for a term or two, maybe three and then they’ll get the boot to. It’s the way of Australian politics.
And it’s not fair.
I was wondering, ‘What’s the stupidest thing Firefox has ever said?’ Spoiled for choice, I know. But then this inanity came my way, at 7:36 pm. I think I have a winner:
“By voting for Labor you are contributing to these problems and helping the Coalition. You are helping the conservative cause. That is the result of voting for Labor.”
B.S. Fairman says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:07 pm
Knock me over with a feather – a Lefty who cares about what the Australian Constitution actually says rather than what they want it to say. Carry on!
“Firefox…..would a conservative government initiate and implement – NDIS, Medicare, Superannuation etc?”
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As I said, Labor is a shadow of it’s former self.
Why would you vote for Labor and buy all those conservative/Coalition policies with your vote when you could be supporting the Greens instead? The Greens don’t support the Coalition and we are the biggest supporters of the likes of Medicare and the NDIS that you’ll find. The NDIS wouldn’t have been possible without the Greens, while we are continually looking to improve and expand Medicare. We even got kid’s dental covered on Medicare as a condition of our support for the Gillard gov.
If you want to vote for an actual progressive party that will stand up for Medicare and the NDIS without waving through terrible Coalition policies at the same time, vote Greens.
Firefox – you did not answer my question.
Firefox
Knowing the politician drink on the job those steps are a trip hazard.
Barney
“The cost of living in some South East Asian countries is about a tenth of that in Australia.”
If you settle in and the locals charge your like a local rather than a tourist. The Thai have a word for westerners – “farang”.. which depending on context can be endearing, or it can mean you’re going to pay more.
But yeah, in general its a lot cheaper to live in some south east asian countries. However, I travel (or at least used to travel) far and wide. Without getting too personal, I generally found that good things happened whilst travelling. Less so in Sydney. And around here, my life has no opportunity at all.
My point about fairness is simply this. If its unfair or demeaning to issue a “welfare card” which takes away your ability to spend your money (yes, emphasis on “your”) where you want, then its also quite unfair (and demeaning) to tell people in receipt of a pension that you can’t spend your money on travel. Also, I’d challenge anyone being an apologist for this bit of bastardry to explain why age pensioners should get special treatment. That is of course “taxpayers” money also.