As reported by The Guardian, the latest fortnightly Essential Research poll brings no change on two-party preferred, with Labor maintaining its 53-47 lead. As always, primary votes will be with us later today. The poll also contains a suite of findings on immigration, which concur with Newspoll in finding the existing level is perceived as too high. Sixty-four per cent rated there had been too much immigration over the past decade, compared with 50% when the question was last asked in October 2016, and 54% considered the rate of population growth too fast, up from 45% in 2013. Forty-seven per cent wanted fewer short-term working visas, which 63% believed undermined the capacity of Australians to find work, and 62% agreed with the proposition that immigration should be wound back until the necessary infrastructure is in place. Nonetheless, 55% supported the proposition that “multiculturalism and cultural diversity has enriched the social and economic lives of all Australians”, and 61% felt immigration had made a positive contribution overall.
UPDATE: Full report here. Coalition down one to 37%, Labor down one to 36%, Greens up one to 11%, One Nation up one to 8%.
So Navy personnel should be recognised for serving in the Navy. Not sure what the fuss is about that.
In all seriousness – and leaving personal attacks aside – I do view it as a good sign that Labor’s looking into decriminalising cannabis for medical use, at least. It’s not what I’d prefer (legalise, regulate, tax), but it’s a start.
Rex Douglas @ #643 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 1:47 pm
We know you want your picture of perfection and will run away from anything that doesn’t meet it but the ration approach is voice dissent and try and influence change.
How many babies have you lost changing the bath water? 🙂
zoomster @ #629 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 4:58 pm
they weren’t in the field of war
This looks like a beat up by ‘The Australian’ to me. It’s worth noting that Marles has not been asked this question at the National Press Club, by Karvelas or by SKY.
The quote (taken out of context) sounds perfectly reasonable. Navy personnel are members of the ADF; they are, as members of the ADF, recognised as such. There’s no need for anything more, and Marles doesn’t seem to suggest that there should be.
I don’t see any suggestion by Marles that ‘The Border Force’ are part of the Navy.
Nobody here appears to know what Marles has said.
Perhaps he has offered support but in what context and to what degree is still unknown.
If you intend to attack any support offered for this suggestion by Nelson then concentrate on getting the facts right and making sure those military personnel involved in the operations are not dragged into the debate and splattered with disdain and vitriol simply because they are undertaking the policies of the current government.
Cheers.
Matt @ #652 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 1:58 pm
I don’t have much of a problem legalising it full stop but if they are going to argue for it on medical grounds then those medical grounds need to exist.
What’s next homeopathy, herbal medicines and the like.
doyley
This appears to be the comment:
‘“The Royal Australian Navy has been asked to serve in this way by governments of both persuasions,” Mr Marles said. “The AWM should commemorate the contributions of all those who serve in our defence forces.”’
No mention of the Border Force, and a statement of the obvious: the AWM does what the AWM does.
doyley @ #634 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:03 pm
No-one is attacking the navy personnel.
lizzie @ #626 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 4:26 pm
Got a link Lizzie?
I agree about Marles.
don @ #633 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 4:33 pm
Yes, I was aware of most of that.
But it works and the risks can be mitigated such as by taking it under medical supervision as can happen in some countries.
I have seen it work on someone.
“Greg Brown” seems to be the source. “Press gallery reporter at The Australian.”
Rex Douglas @ #638 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 4:41 pm
I am sure it will echo in the hollow of your head for a long time.
zoomster:
It’s true there’s no context to his comments, therefore it looks to me he’s gone rogue or has been quoted out of context for usual Murdoch nefarious purposes.
The Border Force stuff is obviously a fake news invention of twitter – not even Nelson mentioned memorialising the Border Force.
Matt @ #43061 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 4:58 pm
Agreed – but it is not medical use, it is personal use with a
fighemp leaf.fess
I can’t see what’s wrong with his comments.
The AWM recognises the service of Navy personnel. That’s a no brainer.
lizzie @ #33 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 3:10 pm
When you posted his tweet earlier you didn’t carry across the link to his article at the Oz, which I posted later.
zoomster,
Thanks for that post re the comment by Marles.
Seems pretty innocuous to me and they are sentiments I agree with.
If that is the comment Greg Brown is tweeting about then his story is simply signed to cause division and create tension. He is a reporter for the Oz it should be remembered.
Cheers.
Confessions @ #551 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 12:17 pm
Use a VPN client to watch it on Hulu.
bemused having one of his typical abusive bullying days today…
Oooh, how do I do that?!
Confessions @ #648 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 4:54 pm
That is plain ridiculous on the part of Marles.
Many people spend some time in the services without being in harms way any ore than in most other occupations and less than some. I am one such person.
Only people who have actually fought in a war and been exposed to enemy action deserve to be commemorated at the War Memorial and even then, as a memorial, it is mainly for those who served and paid the supreme sacrifice or were wounded.
grimace @ #647 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:13 pm
Is that legal ?
zoomster:
As I understand it the AWM already recognises the service of currently serving ADF personnel. Nelson’s comments about having a special memorial for those serving specifically to push back AS boats is egregious because it would serve a partisan political purpose rather than one in the national interest.
The smarter response from Marles would’ve have been along the lines of Marise Payne’s: AWM content is a matter for the AWM board. And I’d love to see that conversation taking place with Kerry Stokes at the table. He takes his military history, memorabilia and commemoration seriously from what I’ve heard.
don @ #650 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 4:56 pm
A lot of our politicians are surprisingly poor orators.
They really should undertake some training.
zoomster @ #651 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 4:58 pm
Let me provide you with a clue.
The first word in “War Memorial”.
fess
To me, that’s exactly what Marles was saying…that the AWM currently recognises naval service, and how they do so in the future is up to them.
bemused
And where is he saying that Navy members who were part of turning back the boats should receive any special recognition? He is leaving it to the AWM to decide who should be honoured for what.
zoomster @ #666 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:13 pm
Those who have served in a war.
Rex Douglas @ #670 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:13 pm
Awwww poor widdle Wex… what’s wrong now sunshine?
zoomster:
Have any serving Navy personnel lost their lives to pushing back boats? I honestly can’t recall, but if not then how is a memorial to them part of the AWM remit?
Marles should’ve just deflected the question and said simply content is a matter for the AWM board.
Well that got us excited over a big fat zero!!
It’s all your fault lizzie for making us believe a story in the Australian, not!!
How gullible were we? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
zoomster @ #678 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:22 pm
It is a “War Memorial”.
Please try to understand what those words mean and imply.
bemused
Yes. No one is saying otherwise, not even Marles.
He has said (obviously it needs be broken down):
1. Navy personnel were involved in service to the country.
2. It is up to the AWM to decide who gets recognised for what.
Both are statements of fact.
He is not saying 1 implies that recognition must or should follow.
It is up to the AWM.
fess
I repeat: that’s exactly what Marles said.
Thank you, don for putting up the information about Ibogaine. I do wish bemused would stop advocating things he knows substantively little about.
…of course, I leave open the possibility that Marles said something else, but if he’s been quoted properly, I can’t see what the issue is.
zoomster @ #684 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:30 pm
That idiot Nelson would expand it way too wide.
I repeat, it is a “War Memorial”, it is not there to pay tribute to anyone who has ever served in any capacity in any of the armed services. That is just an offensive abuse to the memory of those who did serve in wars.
Barney in Go Dau @ #682 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:29 pm
Well, not actually. Lizzie follows @LittleBertie on Twitter, who seems to get all a flutter about Fake News from The Australian’s journos who are on Twitter. 🙂
“The AWM should commemorate the contributions of all those who serve in our defence forces.”
A clear direction aimed at the AWM by Marles..
Barney
To be fair to The Australian, I didn’t quote it from them. I think Greg Barns, reporter, was the culprit.
C@tmomma @ #686 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:33 pm
I can only report what I have seen.
I have already posted some of those links or similar and I have never said it is without risk. Not many potent drugs are without some risk, maybe none.
It is up to people to do their own research and make their own decisions, but in some countries that drug is completely legal, and used in specialised clinics.
What do you recommend to treat cases of addiction? Have you heard of anything else that is known to work?
zoomster @ #665 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 5:33 pm
I can’t see how you can mis-interpret a clear direction.
Confessions @ #671 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 3:14 pm
You download a VPN client like https://www.purevpn.com/ (which I currently use), download the program, use the dedicated IP abcgo.pointtoserver.com and then go to hulu.com and watch. You have to put up with ads from the US unless you pay ~AUD$15 per month.
Works for US Netflix too.
Perusing the AWM site has answered my question of the other day re Charles Bean’s descendants:
Googling Joyce Bean reveals she passed away in 2014 but did have children, both natural and adopted.
On the question of medical marijuana, there does seem to be medical support for its use against epileptic fits. Or am I wrong about that, too…
grimace @ #669 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 3:13 pm
Use any device that connects to the internet to watch it on SBS On Demand, or a good old fashioned TV to watch it on SBS.
Why would you need a VPN when you can watch it without one? You also don’t need to pay for a VPN or Hulu subscription.
Rex Douglas @ #673 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 3:17 pm
Yes, but it is probably against Hulu’s Terms Of Service.
Once again, why would you got to he expense (albeit small) of a VPN and Hulu subscription when you can watch it legally on SBS, or SBS On Demand for free?
The ‘should’ slipped my notice, so I do apologise. I still think it’s a storm in a tea cup.
lizzie @ #691 Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 – 2:36 pm
You got us going!! 🙂 🙂