Newspoll has not reported according to the three-week schedule it usually observes, but the Financial Review fills the void with the monthly Freshwater Strategy poll. This records a tie on two-party preferred after a 51-49 result in favour of Labor last time, but it’s based on only the slightest changes on the primary vote, with Labor steady on 31%, the Coalition up one on 40% and the Greens down one on 13%. Anthony Albanese is up a point on approval to 38% and steady on disapproval at 45%, Peter Dutton is up two to 32% and down two to 41%, and Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister narrows from 47-38 to 45-39. The poll was conducted Friday to Sunday from a sample of 1055.
I don’t know if in this case it is the scientists or the journalists who are incompetent, but someone was.
FUBAR @ #2151 Friday, April 19th, 2024 – 4:19 pm
Look closer to home.
You’re basically calling Socrates a liar.
Wow, that’s rare, I agree with FUBAR on something, that desalination plants are necessary.
They certainly will be in Perth if the winter rains don’t fall this year, there hasn’t been any significant falls since September last year.
Most conservatives in Victoria are fully against them, mainly because it was a Labor government that built them, but I remember those days in 2009 when many dams were running dry. There’s no telling when the next long term drought will occur, so desal is needed as a backup.
Israeli official security and governmental sources told The Jerusalem Post on Friday: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Israel retaliated where they were attacked.”
That said, officially, Israel will not accept responsibility for this attack for strategic reasons. Sources explain that the Iranians claim it was an “explosion at a factory” because they wish to avoid escalation. Israeli sources told the Post, that It’s unclear why the Pentagon disclosed to the American media that Israel was involved; they could have remained silent, they say. Thet could of preserved Iran’s dignity, and avoided escalating the situation on their own.
Mexicanbeemer says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 2:51 pm
davidwhsays:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 2:48 pm
Regarding rugby league front row forwards I agree you could do a lot worse than follow the example of Shane Weber when calling out bad male behavior towards women.
He was as tough as any front rower who have ever played the game but called out strongly bad behavior from certain Bronco players and resigned his club position to make his point.
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Agree but the message also has to show the right behaviors.
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Probably still not enough. Must start when child is young.
April 13, 2024. On ABC Background Briefing. In Alice Springs. Violent men who believe their wife made them do it.
And the man interviewed said he had seen his mother bashed by his father. He had thought this was the way to behave towards women.
Two programs run in the NT, many attending were not interested, but had to attend as a condition of their release from jail.
As I have written earlier today, child protection agencies are not funded by governments sufficiently to protect children from abuse. To stop the continuing cycle of violence.
For governments jail is the only, and probably most expensive, solution. The offenders come out and return to bashing their partners.
From abc listen: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/backgroundbriefing/tears-tea-and-bloodshed-can-violent-men-ever-change-/103695934
Tears, tea and bloodshed — can violent men ever change?
‘Socrates says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 4:12 pm
Boerwar
The salt concentration all depends on the respective volumes of water. Both desal plants I am familiar with (GC and Kwinana) discharge into bodies of water such that the movement rate of the surrounding water in terms of cubic metres per hour is thousands of times larger than the brine discharge volume. For ocean side plants it really makes no difference. One km downstream of the GC discharge point you would be lucky to detect it.’
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Thanks.
FUBAR @ #2153 Friday, April 19th, 2024 – 4:22 pm
You asked the question, I answered it – which is that there are inherent problems with desal plants. Socrates says the problem can be partly mitigated, and so it can – but it cannot be eliminated. And in any case the mitigation is a bit like the solution famously used for Sydney’s sewage problems – just put in a longer pipe to dump it further offshore and hope everyone forgets about it.
In future, I suggest that if you don’t want to hear the answer, don’t ask the question.
The shattering impact of the Stolen Generations will reverberate for many generations to come.
One of the direct consequences for example, IMO, is that around half of all children in protection in NSW are Indigenous children.
I am not exactly sure where Irene is going with her usual histrionics.
Katie Gallagher calling for restraint – like Iran, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah have been showing until now. Apparently.
I think they hit a drone or missile manufacturing plant.
Syrian state media says that Israel conducted airstrikes on air defense and radar positions overnight.
Player One says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 4:35 pm
“Socrates says the problem can be partly mitigated, and so it can – but it cannot be eliminated.”
I also answered how it is easily mitigated.
Partly?
What is your perfect solution.
Holdenhillbilly says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 4:39 pm
“Syrian state media says that Israel conducted airstrikes on air defense and radar positions overnight.”
As long as they keep supporting IRGC activities and Hezbollah that is going to keep happening. Very slow learners.
It’s actually not much like that, at all, P1.
The comparative statics are that a very small amount of water is moved into the potable water supply system, and the salt remains in the ocean. The amount of water removed from the ocean as a proportion of the whole is vanishingly small.
Think of it this way: The salt is from the ocean, the water is temporarily removed from the ocean. In addition to brine, there is also a greater flow of water (admittedly some of it waste water) into the ocean. If it all goes to shit, the water goes back into the ocean.
Holdenhillbilly says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 4:24 pm
Israeli official security and governmental sources told The Jerusalem Post on Friday: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Israel retaliated where they were attacked.”
That said, officially, Israel will not accept responsibility for this attack for strategic reasons. Sources explain that the Iranians claim it was an “explosion at a factory” because they wish to avoid escalation. Israeli sources told the Post, that It’s unclear why the Pentagon disclosed to the American media that Israel was involved; they could have remained silent, they say. Thet could have preserved Iran’s dignity, and avoided escalating the situation on their own.
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Israel can bomb and kill where they want as they have the support and deadly military equipment from the US, UK and Germany. At least.
Although our Albanese government denies it we have sold components for their military in the past. Maybe still do today.
Suspecting as much protestors against the war in Gaza smashed several windows in the Minister for the Defence Industry, Pat Conroy’s electoral office shop front a night ago. And painted with ‘Free Palestine’ graffiti.
For those who do not live in Perth, some simple stuff….
Up until not so long ago, with Perth having half the population it has today, there were essentially two sources of water….that which fell directly from the sky (mainly in winter) and from ground water – rain which fell eons ago.
Once upon a time dams around Perth held/caught enough water for local needs and supply the Goldfields
However, with the doubling in size of the population, a worrying decline in winter rains and the need to protect the ground water from over-utilisation, successive State governments have developed the use of desalination.
Perth, as we know it, in relation to water, would not survive without the desal…….
Yep, energy has to be used to actually run the plants but I doubt whether many in Perth would question the use of said energy in relation to the survival of the city and environs.
FUBAR @ #2162 Friday, April 19th, 2024 – 4:45 pm
I don’t have a perfect solution to the inherent problems of desal. No-one does. Just more and more complex mitigations, which (of course) also get more and more expensive.
Ideally, we should avoid having to rely on desal in the first place, reserve it for emergency use, and/or keep it to a minimum.
Speaks for itself.
Dandy Murray @ #2164 Friday, April 19th, 2024 – 4:48 pm
The problem is the level of concentration of salt (and various pollutants) near the desal plant, not the total amount of salt, which overall remains constant.
‘FUBAR says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 4:38 pm
Katie Gallagher calling for restraint – like Iran, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah have been showing until now. Apparently.
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You are actually smarter than this one, FUBAR.
It is clear that Israel has been conducting a limited war with Heshbollah and with Iran’s proxies in Syria. And vice versa.
It is clear that Iran’s response to Israel’s killing of 17 senior Iranian military people since Oc7 was also carefully calibrated.
It is clear that the ‘settlers’ are barely held under control by Israel.
OTOH, it would be hard to argue that either Hamas or Israel have shown restraint in Gaza.
The sole possibility here is that Israel keeps announcing that it will attack Rafa and keeps not doing it – not because Israel does not want to but possibly because this is one line in the sand that Biden will not allow Israel to cross.
‘Socrates says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 5:00 pm
Speaks for itself.
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And demonstrates a fundamental problem with cartoons – too simplistic.
In this case the analogy is pretty hopeless.
Well, cross fingers, folks.
Israel has demonstrated that it can still tell itself that is has ‘deterrence’. Inter alia, everyone will have noticed that the Iranians could not ‘see’ the Israeli JSFs.
Iran has demonstrated that it can still tell itself ‘nothing to see here.’
It is just possible that face has been saved on all sides and the prospects of a regional war have receded somewhat.
You refuse to accept the fact that this is not a problem. The concentration rapidly falls as the brine rapidly diffuses in the ocean.
Irene:
“Suspecting as much protestors against the war in Gaza smashed several windows in the Minister for the Defence Industry, Pat Conroy’s electoral office shop front a night ago. And painted with ‘Free Palestine’ graffiti.”
Vandalising and graffitiing the office of a Federal MP – that’s sure to solve the problems of the Middle East. Well done, protestors! I guess us taxpayers have the privilege of paying for the clean-up and repairs.
FUBAR @ #2173 Friday, April 19th, 2024 – 5:15 pm
And you refuse to accept the fact that it is a widely acknowledged and well-understood problem with desal plants.
You need to do some research. Let me help you get started …
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/12/desalination-process-freshwater-negative-environmental-cost/
Or this one …
https://www.wired.com/story/desalination-is-booming-but-what-about-all-that-toxic-brine/
I have a link from MIT I could post, but it might be a little too technical for you. And anyway, you can’t trust MIT – too many ill-informed climate scientists!
BoerWar:
D’oh.
There are plenty of ways including not pissing away water on growing beef.
15,000 litres of water per kg of beef.
#Fire and move.
If you count every drop of rain that falls on a pasture and ends up in waterways, that’s right.
Subtract the moisture from urine and excreta that fertilises the pasture and the amount of water required to grow a Kg of Boneless Beef is negligible.
Then there’s the nutritional value of Beef, compared to monoculture cereal crops that devastate all life above and below ground.
‘Badthinker says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 5:29 pm
BoerWar:
D’oh.
There are plenty of ways including not pissing away water on growing beef.
15,000 litres of water per kg of beef.
#Fire and move.
If you count every drop of rain that falls on a pasture and ends up in waterways, that’s right.
Subtract the moisture from urine and excreta that fertilises the pasture and the amount of water required to grow a Kg of Boneless Beef is negligible.
Then there’s the nutritional value of Beef, compared to monoculture cereal crops that devastate all life above and below ground.’
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Golly, a cow groupie. You left out methane.
Apologies if already noted but we have yet another colossal waste of money from the self described superior economic managers where $60,000,000 was paid by Home Affairs for software that doesn’t work and had to be turned off on instructions from Minister O’Neil.
Care to comment Pied?
Granny Anny @ #2181 Friday, April 19th, 2024 – 6:02 pm
FUBAR?
Melbourne Mammoth?
gympie?
Lars Von Trier?
Tonifa @ #2177 Friday, April 19th, 2024 – 5:26 pm
Was Sohar there? 😆
I think Claire bear would have trouble after 12×12.
Problem now is the public will not believe various labor ministers given their track record .
I voted for labor last fed election due to previous gov reaching its expiry date but the last year has me switching back.
The loss of McGowan in WA has destabilised ironically fed labor in WA.
Mind you the state gov in the remote chance they feel threatened by libs at the next state election will just roll out McGowan for guest visits in electorates in the. Campaign which will stuff libs further.
Great result on the 3rd day of Trump’s NYC trial, with Judge Merchan declaring, “We have our trial.” Now that the jury has been empanelled & sworn in, the trial has formally started. I thought the trial judge would have dealt with Trump’s latest attempt to intimidate jurors but he’s left some 10 incidences of breaching his gag order until Tuesday, when the defendant will most likely be fined, not gaoled.
Trump didn’t have a good day. First, the prosecutor normally extends a courtesy to the defence by advising the order of witnesses; but given his (Trump’s) propensity to intimidate jurors and witnesses, Merchan denied defence counsel Blanche’s request. Second, the prosecutor filed a Sandoval motion, the effect of which is that if Trump were to take the stand, his history of charged & uncharged misconduct become fair game, including but not limited to the verdicts in the Caroll trials, and the civil fraud.
Fox too could be in the prosecutor’s crosshairs after the guy who replaced Carlson – Watters – did his utmost to identify juror #2, which Trump rewrote & posted on X. Watters replaced Carlson after he was sacked without notice. Before that, he was the serial sexual harasser O’Reilly’s man Friday, on New York streets soliciting for his boss, who felt obliged to pay his accuser $32m.
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Kimmel’s take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ISoGg5MfM
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Holdenhillbillysays:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 4:24 pm
Israeli official security and governmental sources told The Jerusalem Post on Friday: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Israel retaliated where they were attacked.”
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Reciting Bible aren’t they?
Irene @ #2022 Friday, April 19th, 2024 – 11:05 am
What a simplistic and ridiculous list.
1. Sadly, Gina Reinhart is as eligible as anyone to government assistance to encourage the mining of Rare Earths to enable the Renewable Energy Revolution. Government can’t pick and choose one person not to access the money they have made available to all miners of Rare Earths.
2. The fact that you’re not interested in the defense of Australia is of concern to me. Not to mention the $368 Billion is not for one year or two, or even over the Forward Estimates, it’s over the next 40-50 years. It’s necessary and but a fraction of what other countries are spending in the latest military build-up race. Besides, there’s also a Return on Investment in the jobs created and the taxes coming back into the economy as a result, that will help pay for, ahem, Child Support Workers.
3. Anthony Albanese is the fecking Prime Minister of the country, for feck’s sake! He has earned the right to reside in Kirribilli House when he is in Sydney! Especially as he is renting his own house out to people who need rental accommodation during the Rental Crisis that you cared so much about a few weeks ago. Before you lit upon regurgitating Smith Family press releases.
By the way, how many children do YOU support for The Smith Family, Irene? Show us the colour of your money and put it where your mouth is.
BoerWar:
Golly, a cow groupie. You left out methane.
Cattle Methane Emissions degrade into CO2 over time.
It’s important to distinguish these emissions, which are CO2 recycling, from Fossil Fuel CO2, which accumulates.
https://clear.ucdavis.edu/news/methane-has-been-achilles-heel-cattle-emissions-it-may-be-part-climate-solution
makes interesting reading where you can get up to speed on Methane.
Ven says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:39 pm
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Holdenhillbillysays:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 4:24 pm
Israeli official security and governmental sources told The Jerusalem Post on Friday: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Israel retaliated where they were attacked.”
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Reciting Bible aren’t they?
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For all the tough talk there is a distinct winding down. let’s hope that’s the trend.
All emissions eventually leave the atmosphere.
While it is up there, bovine methane is a 20-30 times more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.
It is the ever increasing pile up that matters.
davidwhsays:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 3:11 pm
Mexicanbeemer I think it’s easier to highlight the wrong behavior that point out the right behaviors which may be different for different individuals and groups. It’s hard as neither women or men are homogeneous groups.
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It’s complex but there are universal messages take the guy in Bondi getting frustrated he didn’t have a girlfriend. The message he needed to hear was to forget about having a girlfriend and do your hobbies and interests and keep fit and healthy and dress well and then one day you might meet a wonderful girl.
Yep, methane traps far more heat than CO2. So it’s more potent than CO2 in causing global warming. The fact that methane has a shorter lifespan is irrelevant when more of it keeps on getting sent up there.
I can see how Badthinker earned his/her moniker.
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Mavissays:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:35 pm
Great result on the 3rd day of Trump’s NYC trial, with Judge Merchan declaring, “We have our trial.” Now that the jury has been empanelled & sworn in, the trial has formally started. I thought the trial judge would have dealt with Trump’s latest attempt to intimidate jurors but he’s left some 10 incidences of breaching his gag order until Tuesday, when the defendant will most likely be fined, not gaoled.
Trump didn’t have a good day. First, the prosecutor normally extends a courtesy to the defence by advising the order of witnesses; but given his (Trump’s) propensity to intimidate jurors and witnesses, Merchan denied defence counsel Blanche’s request. Second, the prosecutor filed a Sandoval motion, the effect of which is that if Trump were to take the stand, his history of charged & uncharged misconduct become fair game, including but not limited to the verdicts in the Caroll trials, and the civil fraud.
Fox too could be in the prosecutor’s crosshairs after the guy who replaced Carlson – Watters – did his utmost to identify juror #2, which Trump rewrote & posted on X. Watters replaced Carlson after he was sacked without notice. Before that, he was the serial sexual harasser O’Reilly’s man Friday, on New York streets soliciting for his boss, who felt obliged to pay his accuser $32m.
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Kimmel’s take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ISoGg5MfM
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Mavis
Kimmel was brilliant. :+)
Read my link.
Cattle Methane is recycled atmospheric Co2.
It keeps getting recycled.
The problem is Fossil Fuel CO2, that stuff isn’t recyclable.
Lets say you kill all the cattle. In Africa, Elephants will take over.
They’re ruminants too, that means Methane.
Wassat you say, BoerWar, let’s kill all the Elephants, Buffalo, & Antelope, as well as Zebras, Donkeys, and Camels?
In Australia, Roos will take over, as well as Camels, Goats and Donkeys. Roos aren’t ruminants, but they’ll still emit Methane.
That’s what the Natural CO2 Cycle does.
Badthinker says:
“Read my link.
Cattle Methane is recycled atmospheric Co2.”
CH4 is recycled CO2?
4 hydrogen atoms transmute into 2 oxygen atoms? How does that work, eh?
Can you pull the same trick to turn lead into gold? That could be a nice little earner.
The Jerusalem Post reports that Israel has sent a ‘clear message’ to Iran by striking ‘almost right next door’ to a nuclear site in Isfahan, meaning that ‘we chose not to hit your nuclear sites this time, but we could have done worse right here’.
Ven says:
Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:39 pm
“Reciting Bible aren’t they?”
The Torah, which is basically the old Testament.
It’s complex but there are universal messages take the guy in Bondi getting frustrated he didn’t have a girlfriend. The message he needed to hear was to forget about having a girlfriend and do your hobbies and interests and keep fit and healthy and dress well and then one day you might meet a wonderful girl.
Joel Cauchi was a Paranoid Schizophrenic who had ceased his medication, was living in his car, and eating a diet of Sugar, Salt and PUFAs, AKA Fast Food.
In Sydney, a highly stressful place for the Sane, and this bloke was not Sane.
Motivation can’t be attributed to the Insane, because they’ve already lost their reason.
Badthinker
Joel Cauchi was a Paranoid Schizophrenic who had ceased his medication, was living in his car, and eating a diet of Sugar, Salt and PUFAs, AKA Fast Food.
In Sydney, a highly stressful place for the Sane, and this bloke was not Sane.
Motivation can’t be attributed to the Insane, because they’ve already lost their reason.
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Yep he wasn’t in a position to look after himself and that might have added to his mental distress. Its a nasty cycle with terrible consequences.
Can you pull the same trick to turn lead into gold? That could be a nice little earner.
ha ha
Read the link, Cow Methane eventually degrades into CO2 in the atmosphere.
It’s part of the natural CO2 cycle.
Get rid of every land animal on the Planet and let it be ovetaken by greenery, that rots and produces Methane, which eventually degrades into CO2 and gets recycled.
This is Grade 8 Biology from 1972
Anthony Albanese says Labor is committed to cutting overseas immigration to half of recent peaks, warning Australia’s multiculturalism needs nurturing amid growing community tensions.
Outside of pandemic border closures, March had the lowest level of arrivals since 2014 as tougher visa conditions and stricter compliance checks came into force. Australian Bureau of Statistics data this week showed net permanent and long-term arrivals reached a monthly record of 105,000 in February.
The prime minister said on Friday that net migration would be reduced by the end of the 2024-25 financial year, describing Labor as “determined” to bring down the numbers. The impact is already apparent in education exports. “Students coming here are an important source of economic income,” he told Melbourne radio 3AW. “It can also be a good thing for our neighbours, to get the value of an Australian education. But the system wasn’t working properly. We’re making sure that it does work properly. “It depends upon the economic cycle, of course, but what we want to do is to lower that number significantly to around about half of what it has been.”
A surge of international students and temporary workers pushed net arrivals into the country to a record of 548,000 in the year to September 2023. The PM said that is expected to fall to 250,000 in the next financial year.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-determined-to-halve-record-post-pandemic-immigration-20240419-p5fl40
So much for pied piper’s immigration posturings.
“Albanese has given Gina Rinehart, worth $36billion, over $1billion of our taxes for her two mines – Arafura Rare Earth and Liontown Resources.”
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What evidence is there to support the statement that Gina Rinehart owns Arafura Rare Earth and Liontown Resources?. Last time i saw they were both publicly listed ASX companies. Which Gina had a 10% and 20% shareholding in respectively. Which hardly can be considered ownership though.
Quote: “You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”