The Age/Herald has a Resolve Strategic poll which finds no sign in the ongoing weakening of support for an Indigenous Voice, to the extent of being the first significant poll to find no in front, albeit by a 51-49 margin that places the difference inside the margin of error. This followed a question in which respondents were told of the referendum question wording and the fact of voting being compulsory. Minus the latter prompt, 42% were in favour, 40% opposed and 18% undecided.
State breakdowns suggest the proposal is also falling short on the other leg of the dual majority requirement, with majorities in favour in only three states: by 53-47 in New South Wales, 56-44 in Victoria and 57-43 from a tiny sample in Tasmania, with no leading 56-44 in Queensland, 51-49 in Western Australia and 52-48 in South Australia. The national results are from the pollster’s latest national survey, which reached 1606 respondents and was presumably conducted from Wednesday to Sunday, while the state results pad out the sample with findings from last month’s poll, which had yes leading 53-47. Voting intention numbers will presumably follow at some point in the next day or two.
In an emerging pattern, it’s a very different story from Essential Research, which according to a report in The Guardian finds 60-40 in favour on its forced response Indigenous Voice question, effectively unchanged on its 59-41 result a month ago. A separate report in The Guardian tells us Essential’s fortnightly poll also included a regular suite of questions on best party to handle various issues, which found Labor favoured to handle issues including cost of living, interest rates and government debt, together with its more traditional strengths of health and welfare, climate change and security of work.
Respondents were asked how much or how little they felt various factors were to blame for rising interest rates, but the results are hard to interpret without seeing the question wording and response structure. For this we must await the release of the full report later today – together with voting intention numbers, on which The Guardian’s report is silent, though they are presumably favourable to Labor given the “best party to handle” responses.
Senator Katy Gallagher has offered a full denial to the Senate that she misled parliament in 2021 when she said “no one” in her party had knowledge of Brittany Higgins’s allegation of rape inside parliament house.
The senator told a senate committee in 2021 “no one had any knowledge” of Ms Higgins’s rape allegation before it was made public.
Fronting the Senate this afternoon, Senator Gallagher said she had informed Senator Linda Reynolds at the time that she had been given a “heads up” about Ms Higgins’s allegation.
Senator Gallagher said her denial related to an implication that she was somehow involved in the story being made public.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-13/katy-gallagher-fronts-senate-brittany-higgins-knowledge/102469532
@ Oliver Sutton 1223
NZ’s National Opposition Leader sounds like an arrogant prick . His widely reported comment,
which sounds equally as “whingey” like his description of his country , will be remembered – and voters will be reminded of it by the Government come Election time….
Classic rightwing tactics. Label and criticise any opposition, divide the voting populace any way they can. But then again, he and his National team have had plenty of opportunity to learn from Australia’s recently departed Government and from its leftovers still in Parliament.
Recent polling indicates closeness of the possible outcome.
I wonder if he has just shot himself in the proverbial foot.?
That NZ guy looks like a penis
I see that the Herald is trying to spin a very minor variation in the primary votes of the majors as new evidence that “the honeymoon is over”. By their own figures, Labor is on 40 and the Coalition is on 30, which can only translate to a huge 2PP lead for the ALP. I can only wish my own honeymoon ended so badly!
It’s also interesting to note the large discrepancy between the Voice support recorded in Resolve and in Essential. The trend across all polls does appear to indicate that support in favour of the Voice is softening, though even Resolve finds large majorities remain in place in NSW and Victoria (and probably also Tassie). Even if those less encouraging figures are true, the Yes camp may only need to win over a few thousand South Australians to get over the “majority of voters in a majority of states” hurdle.
I’m an old white guy and the Welcome to Country doesn’t bother me one little bit. I guess I just must be a minority in that regard.
Just like when my Coalition-voting neighbours complain incessantly about annual workplace courses related to sexual harassment training and LGBTQI rights, it just never bothered me. I suppose it bothers those who wish to be bothered by it.
That’s why I think people long ago new exactly how they’d vote re The Voice, it reflects their existing life values and biases. There’s little that will convince them otherwise.
Katy now given official embattled status
https://the-riotact.com/embattled-gallagher-goes-to-ground-as-coalition-prepares-to-ramp-up-attacks-over-brittany-higgins-texts/670915
Watermelon @ #152 Tuesday, June 13th, 2023 – 2:36 pm
Takes one to know one.
While the 2 right wing parties are down in the gutter politicising the alleged rape of staffer, there’s a cost of living crisis happening outside of their bubble.
A surprisingly interesting and almost candid 40 min interview with Ford CEO Jim Farley.
Summary
Farley admits that legacy automakers are well behind the times on EVs.
He notes that as well as the method of propulsion and battery production, the greatest problem has been misunderstanding the criticality of software and vertical integration and misreading public attitudes.
Farley highlights the fact that sub-contracting out the production of hundreds of parts over time has meant that seeking alterations and upgrades now, particularly to any electrified part has caused enormous IP complications. Software ignorance has been a fundamental weakness in understanding that EVs are computers on wheels requiring a new workforce, training and infrastructure.
https://thedriven.io/2023/06/09/legacy-auto-is-failing-ford-ceo-says-ev-transition-more-than-switching-drive-trains/
Rex Douglas says:
Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:59 pm
While the 2 right wing parties are down in the gutter politicising the alleged rape of staffer, there’s a cost of living crisis happening outside of their bubble.
Demand for @FoodbankVic has grown by 40 per cent in the last 12 months with the charity providing 2.4M extra meals to schools across the state. CEO Dave McNamara says the current situation is the worst he’s seen in his 15 years at the organisation @abcmelbourne #springst pic.twitter.com/J83Nb4DHR7— Bridget Rollason (@bridgerollo) June 13, 2023
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The first sentence is a rather nice example of dramatic irony 🙂
The Libs continue to do a spectacular job of driving away Women from its party.
Tanya Plibersek has just wiped the floor with the flouncy Susssan Ley.
The LNP opposition looking pretty flat in question time. Labor government looking confident and upbeat.
Nicko says:
Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 3:06 pm
The Libs continue to do a spectacular job of driving away Women from its party.
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Given what has occurred over the past four weeks, what woman would be silly enough to put up their hand to raise a complaint about sexual harassment or worse in the parliamentary environment? They would rightly fear public humiliation, thanks greatly to both the Coalition and media, it simply wouldn’t be worth it, sadly.
Cronussays:
Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 3:04 pm
A surprisingly interesting and almost candid 40 min interview with Ford CEO Jim Farley.
Summary
Farley admits that legacy automakers are well behind the times on EVs.
He notes that as well as the method of propulsion and battery production, the greatest problem has been misunderstanding the criticality of software and vertical integration and misreading public attitudes.
Farley highlights the fact that sub-contracting out the production of hundreds of parts over time has meant that seeking alterations and upgrades now, particularly to any electrified part has caused enormous IP complications. Software ignorance has been a fundamental weakness in understanding that EVs are computers on wheels requiring a new workforce, training and infrastructure.
https://thedriven.io/2023/06/09/legacy-auto-is-failing-ford-ceo-says-ev-transition-more-than-switching-drive-trains/
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This has be given lots of air play online but almost nil in the MSM.
I wonder if the GM CEO will be as forthright.
Makes a mockery of the “competition is coming” mantra of the US press.
The real competition is from China.
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus has confirmed the Australian Federal Police is investigating the leaking of material related to the Brittany Higgins affair.
“We all have a responsibility, those of us in this parliament and in the media, to discuss this issue in a careful and responsible way,” he said in question time.
“I do understand that the Australian Federal Police have received a complaint in respect of this matter and that the AFP is currently assessing that complaint.
“It’s vital that victims of alleged sexual assault have confidence that if they come forward and report what happened to them they will be treated fairly by our justice system.”
He added that material produced in court in response to a subpoena was subject to an “implied undertaking” that no parties involved will use the material for purposes outside of court proceedings. This is known as the Harmon rule, and to breach it may constitute contempt of court, he said.
Amid parliamentary debate over Higgins matter, independent MP Zoe Daniel stood up to remind MPs “how triggering this conversation is” for the woman involved, the staff in the building and the women around Australia who are victims of sexual assault.“And also remind the chamber that we have young people in the gallery listening to this behaviour.”
Men dominating their ranks, so no surprise that they don’t have any other perspectives, ones that might well give them pause for thought on some of their political tactics. Especially when it possibly involves potential rape of a young women. And now we are just stuck with no findings so it all just comes down to ones own biases to whether they think it happened or not.
Alot of women will be seeing the LNP trying to attack another women for possibly showing some concern about rape, I don’t think most would be impressed.
To the list of things that are causing the Voice to fail:
Calling “the Voice” to begin with was a mistake – It sounds like a government policy written by a focus group. The body should have instead been called “Indigenous Representative Council” or something plain and boring like that. “Indigenous Voice” sounds like a bad TV show. (Equally “Statement from the Heart” sounds like an 80s love song written by an accountant)
do the liberal party think targiting a senyor female mp forsuporting a aleged victem of sexual asult is a smart stratigy is renyolds senate seat worth this her term is finished lehrmann was never cleared the trial was dropped drumgold did more damage to higins he does not seem a very smart prosacuter did hethere has to be a re trial
this proves egzacktly whiy aleged ofenders get away the power imballence dreyfus needs to show some leadership whiy not unify sexual asult laws the victem can be cros egzamind but not acused i understand inosent until provin guilty but the liberals are aleging higgins is luying and lehrmann was cleared renyalds seems a horible person hopefuly wa labors vote is strong enough to win two senate seats and just elect brockman at top spot
i think drumgold has to resign it was disgraceful that he dropped the trial because hgiggins had to givelive evidence but the acused cant even speak just hide behind lawyers maybi dreyfuss could make sexual asult trials les one sided maybi a national meetings of aterneys general there is aperception the woman is allways at fault
Et tu, UK?
‘The UK is home to millions more conspiracy theorists than most people realise, with almost a quarter of the population believing Covid-19 was probably or definitely a hoax, polling has revealed.
‘About a third of the population are convinced that the cost of living crisis is a government plot to control the public, and similar numbers think “15-minute cities” – an attempt to increase walking in neighbourhoods – are a government surveillance ruse, and that the “great replacement theory” – the idea that white people are being replaced by non-white immigrants – is happening.’
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/13/quarter-in-uk-believe-covid-was-a-hoax-poll-on-conspiracy-theories-finds
Kevin Bonham
@kevinbonham
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#ResolvePM federal primaries ALP 40 L-NP 30 Green 12 ON 6 UAP 2 IND 8 other 2. My 2PP estimate for these primaries 59.2 (-1.1) Resolve has persistently higher estimates of the gap between the major parties than other pollsters, hence the much higher 2PP estimate.
So despite Resolve showing the Voice is collapsing the vote for the progressive side of the ledger is not.
Therefore the rise in “No” cannot be attributed solely to the government losing voter share (as it is not). The interest rate argument for the fall is even more farcical.
Voting figures are now out for the Resolve poll
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-gains-some-ground-as-labor-slips-in-poll-20230613-p5dg36.html
Kevin Bonham on twitter summarises …
https://twitter.com/kevinbonham/status/1668502006661804032
#ResolvePM federal primaries ALP 40 L-NP 30 Green 12 ON 6 UAP 2 IND 8 other 2. My 2PP estimate for these primaries 59.2 (-1.1) Resolve has persistently higher estimates of the gap between the major parties than other pollsters, hence the much higher 2PP estimate.
I think it’s time to lower the voting age.
I’m sick of people complaining about what the Government and the “Yes” case are doing wrong about the referendum.
If it fails, it will fail for one reason only. And that reason is that the despicable mob of slime balls who compromise most of the Opposition have decided to oppose it for cheap short term political gain.
As today’s political weaponisation by them of a woman’s allegation of rape (which has never been determined, may I add) shows, there are no moral or ethical depths of sewage these people will not wallow in.
TPOF – So you don’t accept that the voting public is capable of making its own ideas up and they just blindly follow what the News Ltd/LNP leadership says? That does not explain why there is a difference between the government’s vote and the “yes” vote.
I see Labor and the L/NP have joined up and just voted in the senate against progressing treaty now without delay.
Hopeless.
Themunz 3:44pm
“ The real competition is from China.”
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Agreed, and even Farley clearly articulated that point.
It seems that buyers don’t equate EVs with legacy automakers but rather with new, dedicated EV producers. You could almost see the lightbulb going on over Farley’s head in recognition of what many of us have seen for a few years.
BSF: “The body should have instead been called”
Steady on the patronizing white male privilege there ol fella. It is being called that for a reason. Because that’s what they, the framers of the Uluru Statement, asked for it to be called. It’s almost like the ‘listening’ part still needs a bit of work.
OC, just a fwiw, I’m from western Sydney.
Dick’s Queensland budget cost of living assistance maybe a sign of a pending leadership transition …?
Holdenhillbilly says:
Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 3:47 pm
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus has confirmed the Australian Federal Police is investigating the leaking of material related to the Brittany Higgins affair.
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I wonder if this isn’t a little like asking Dracula to investigate the blood bank.
B.S. Fairman says:
Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 4:18 pm
Kevin Bonham
@kevinbonham
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#ResolvePM federal primaries ALP 40 L-NP 30 Green 12 ON 6 UAP 2 IND 8 other 2. My 2PP estimate for these primaries 59.2 (-1.1) Resolve has persistently higher estimates of the gap between the major parties than other pollsters, hence the much higher 2PP estimate.
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Don’t voters realise the honeymoon is over ……………….apparently?
If ever we needed proof that the media is unable to read the mood of the room, this is it.
Rowe: https://twitter.com/roweafr/status/1668514292117929984/photo/1
I think that China was able to persuade the middle east countries to become more united, at least in part, by telling them they are at 35% EV sales penetration and expect to be 80% fleet EV by 2035 and essentially approaching 100% 2 wheel fleet now.
We are the biggest market in the world so you guys need need to start succession economy planing now.
B.S. Fairman says:
Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 4:49 pm
TPOF – So you don’t accept that the voting public is capable of making its own ideas up and they just blindly follow what the News Ltd/LNP leadership says? That does not explain why there is a difference between the government’s vote and the “yes” vote.
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I don’t accept that the referendum will fail, but if it does it will be because of the lies and confusion being spread for political advantage by the Opposition. A large number of voters will never get their heads around the issues and will, inevitably, take the course of least risk. Which is, of course, to vote No and maintain the status quo.
An Announcement today that BYD Dolphin pricing & details for the Australian market will be released Thursday week, 22 June.
But some other talk it might be announced before that as the Victoria EV rebate of $3,000 ends 30 June ?
My answer to the welcome to country is to say that one day when we’re reconciled with our First Nations people, we’ll be able to greet people with the same connection. Because then it will truly be “our land”.
Not yet though. Bit of a way to go. Beyond my days I expect. But maybe I’m wrong!
Labor pouring taxpayer BILLIONS into fossil fuels projects still subject to approvals.
Pi – The body is going to a body that fits within the government structure for the whole of Australia (black and non-black). Just because the indigenous community wanted it call that doesn’t mean that it is a good name. For the body to be placed in the constitution it would have to be acceptable to a majority of Australians and a majority in all states. And having a stupid name is a really dumb way of getting enough people on board.
Listening does not meaning everything said is a good idea.
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus has confirmed the Australian Federal Police is investigating the leaking of material related to the Brittany Higgins affair.
“We all have a responsibility, those of us in this parliament and in the media, to discuss this issue in a careful and responsible way,” he said in question time.
“I do understand that the Australian Federal Police have received a complaint in respect of this matter and that the AFP is currently assessing that complaint.
They won’t have to wear out much shoe leather
“The Libs continue to do a spectacular job of driving away Women from its party.”
Talking to a friend earlier about the passing of Silvio Berlusconi. Barnaby Joyce must feel a bit unlucky by comparison. In Italy he probably could have made PM. Wrong place, right time. Or right place, wrong time?
Talking with my Liberal leaning small business relative, a few takeaways:
1. The Katy Gallagher allegations – nobody outside Canberra cares about this shit.
2. The Voice – the selling of the concept, (my relative has spent a lot of his career in sales) is abysmal. Sad to say, but Linda Burney is simply not up to the job of fronting the campaign.
Otherwise, people out there are hurting with rising interest rates, slow down in spending, inflation – and couldn’t give two hoots about any woke or anti-woke as they are just trying to survive financially.
https://apple.news/AuOt8YUKWQkGoypgaAKOXSA, SBS no/ yes summary of VTP
Interesting police enquiry because even if they catch the culprit, they don’t charge him/her.
The charge comes from the court.
In fact what compulsive powers do they have?
sprocket_ says:
Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 5:44 pm
1. The Katy Gallagher allegations – nobody outside Canberra cares about this shit.
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Fair enough then. Let’s just forget about it.
I doubt the Katy Gallagher stuff is going to go anyway. It will blemish her but the overall issue is just so murky and icky that I can’t see it sinky her without taking a lot of LNP senators with her.
I’ve seen the video of Reynolds telling estimates way back when that, after a private conversation with Wong and Gallagher, she accepted their assurances that they had no prior knowledge of the Higgins matter.
I’m no body language expert but it looked like she wasn’t that comfortable with it.
Like maybe she had been warned “don’t go here”.
She looked similarly uncomfortable listening to Gallagher in the Senate today.
So why bring it up two years later?
The Murdoch media is waging war on Wilkinson and Channel 10.
Getting involved in other people’s wars is always a bad idea.
But the Liberals not big on tactics just now. Much less competence.
They copped a shellacking in QT today.
Be interesting to see what comes next.
possible serious incident ongoing in the UK…
“Roads closed in Nottingham due to ‘major police incidents’”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/13/nottingham-roads-closed-due-to-major-police-incidents