Polls: Resolve Strategic on Indigenous Voice, Essential on issues (open thread)

Another bad poll result for the Indigenous Voice, but the government otherwise is seemingly maintaining its ascendancy.

The Age/Herald has a Resolve Strategic poll which finds no sign in the ongoing weakening of support for an Indigenous Voice, to the extent of being the first significant poll to find no in front, albeit by a 51-49 margin that places the difference inside the margin of error. This followed a question in which respondents were told of the referendum question wording and the fact of voting being compulsory. Minus the latter prompt, 42% were in favour, 40% opposed and 18% undecided.

State breakdowns suggest the proposal is also falling short on the other leg of the dual majority requirement, with majorities in favour in only three states: by 53-47 in New South Wales, 56-44 in Victoria and 57-43 from a tiny sample in Tasmania, with no leading 56-44 in Queensland, 51-49 in Western Australia and 52-48 in South Australia. The national results are from the pollster’s latest national survey, which reached 1606 respondents and was presumably conducted from Wednesday to Sunday, while the state results pad out the sample with findings from last month’s poll, which had yes leading 53-47. Voting intention numbers will presumably follow at some point in the next day or two.

In an emerging pattern, it’s a very different story from Essential Research, which according to a report in The Guardian finds 60-40 in favour on its forced response Indigenous Voice question, effectively unchanged on its 59-41 result a month ago. A separate report in The Guardian tells us Essential’s fortnightly poll also included a regular suite of questions on best party to handle various issues, which found Labor favoured to handle issues including cost of living, interest rates and government debt, together with its more traditional strengths of health and welfare, climate change and security of work.

Respondents were asked how much or how little they felt various factors were to blame for rising interest rates, but the results are hard to interpret without seeing the question wording and response structure. For this we must await the release of the full report later today – together with voting intention numbers, on which The Guardian’s report is silent, though they are presumably favourable to Labor given the “best party to handle” responses.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

295 comments on “Polls: Resolve Strategic on Indigenous Voice, Essential on issues (open thread)”

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  1. B.S. Fairman says:
    Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:16 pm
    I doubt the Katy Gallagher stuff is going to go anyway. It will blemish her but the overall issue is just so murky and icky that I can’t see it sinky her without taking a lot of LNP senators with her.

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    The original allegations mattered to the public at large because it was about women in the workplace and resonated with all women who saw the workplace as a personal hazard to be negotiated, quite aside from their work requirements.

    These allegations against Katy Gallagher don’t matter to the public at large because it is just more political argy-bargy. One thing that nine years of Coalition rule showed is that even blatant Ministerial misbehaviour does not resonate with the public at large, who have far more immediate things to concern themselves about. And this particular issue is quite complex in what has been claimed by Reynolds and the Liberals.

    Gallagher has made a clear, considered statement to the Senate. Unless a substantive element of that statement is shown to be a lie, that will inevitably be the end, sooner or later. And while the media, especially the Liberals’ media arm at News Ltd, will continue to raise murky confusing issues it will eventually die and the public will continue to worry about making ends meet as their primary interest. Subject, of course, to no clear evidence emerging of her lying. And a text between third parties is not evidence!

  2. I very rarely take a vid/audio recommendation from anyone, but I did for that Cronus. That was a cracker. Thanks.

    Farley: “second and third owners”

    That seems new. Targeting that market for your services as a car manufacturer? It’s “software”.

    The honesty. About the failures. And the history. Genuine insights. Still not quite getting why the whole world wants a big mobile battery. Fantastic interview.

  3. More than $8B to tackle the cost of living
    The Palaszczuk Government is providing a record $8.2 billion in concessions to Queensland families and businesses in 2023–24. To help address the national cost-of-living challenges Queenslanders are facing, the Budget provides $1.6 billion in new and expanded cost-of-living measures in 2023–24.

    Cost-of-Living support
    • $550 Cost of Living Rebate on electricity bills to all Queensland households

    • $700 Cost of Living Rebate on electricity bills for vulnerable households, in addition to the existing $372 under the Queensland Electricity Rebate Scheme, bringing total rebates for this group to $1,072

    • $650 rebate on electricity bills for around 205,000 eligible small businesses, cutting the cost of doing business in Queensland

    • $645 million over 4 years for 15 hours per week of free kindy for all 4-year- olds

    Visit http://www.QueenslandSavers.qld.gov.au to find out about the full range of savings on the table for Queenslanders.

    Record net operating surplus of more than $12 billion forecast for 2022–23
    Extraordinary strength in coal and oil prices leading to a $10.5 billion increase in expected royalty revenue in 2022-23.

    Now that’s what I call a COST OF LIVING budget, mostly paid for from the increase in coal royalties while the price of our coal is at a record high which has netted Queenslanders billions of dollars EXTRA instead of going into the pockets of the multi national mining companies shareholders.

  4. B.S. Fairman says:
    Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:16 pm
    I doubt the Katy Gallagher stuff is going to go anyway. It will blemish her but the overall issue is just so murky and icky that I can’t see it sinky her without taking a lot of LNP senators with her.
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    Agreed, the Law of Unintended Consequences yet again at play. Even more so once the Toowoomba Case is announced. The heat will blow back hard in the other direction.

  5. “City of Kryvyi Rih hit by ‘massive’ Russian missile strike:

    Russia launched a “massive missile attack” overnight on the central Ukrainian city of Kryvyi Rih, killing and wounding people and damaging civilian infrastructure, officials said early on Tuesday…

    … The death toll in the Kryvyi Rih strike has risen to six, Reuters reports, citing the local mayor.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/13/russia-ukraine-war-live-massive-missile-attack-launched-on-city-of-kryvyi-rih-ninety-square-km-of-donetsk-retaken-says-kyiv

    Russia continues to kill Ukrainian civilians in their beds at home. Very brave.
    😡

  6. Pi says:
    Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:28 pm
    I very rarely take a vid/audio recommendation from anyone, but I did for that Cronus. That was a cracker. Thanks.
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    You’re welcome.
    It’ll be interesting to see if Mary Barra is as forthcoming. Up until now she’s been fashionably late which is ok at parties but not in the automotive space.

  7. As an owner of a Tesla model 3 I can 100% confirm that it’s as much about the software and vertical integration as anything else. We test drove an MG ZS and a Hyundai Kona, and the Tesla absolutely crapped all over them as far as driving and ownership experience goes.

    Given how few parts there really are in an EV the whole business model and supply chain of the legacy automakers makes absolutely no sense, and is actually a hindrance as the guy from Ford points out.

    In the next few years I’ll need to retire our Kluger and buy a larger EV that can tow my boat, and 100% it will be from a pure EV company. Sure the ford lightning is good on paper, but a model X , Rivian or something else designed from the start as an EV is way more appealing than a poorly done ICE conversion

  8. “Russian media reported on Monday that a Ukrainian missile strike on the southern Zaporizhzhia front killed an experienced Russian general.

    “As a result of an enemy missile attack, the Chief of Staff of the 35th Combined Arms Army, Maj Gen Sergei Goryachev, was killed,” the prominent pro-war blogger Voenkor said in a Telegram post.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/13/russia-ukraine-war-live-massive-missile-attack-launched-on-city-of-kryvyi-rih-ninety-square-km-of-donetsk-retaken-says-kyiv

  9. PS, Elon Musk himself is an absolute asshat, but damn my Tesla is the best ever car I’ve driven by such a long measure…..!

  10. will it damage her much michaeliaa cash has a lot of damaging history like refusing to cowoperate with the afp but as she is a liberal the media does not make a big deal about her staffer knowing about the raids

  11. Senator Gallagher said her denial related to an implication that she was somehow involved in the story being made public.
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    You are pushing shit uphill there Gallagher.
    I don’t think anyone believes you.

  12. I think the panel of eminent stooges that have cleared Katy Gallagher are probably right. Not exactly clear cut, although I think it could be asserted she did mislead Parliament, there is enough wriggle room in the words used.

  13. dave says:
    Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 5:13 pm
    An Announcement today that BYD Dolphin pricing & details for the Australian market will be released Thursday week, 22 June.

    But some other talk it might be announced before that as the Victoria EV rebate of $3,000 ends 30 June ?
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    98.6 says :
    After lunch with my friend last week, he showed off his new BYD EV.
    He paid $49,000 and then received a rebate from the QLD gov for $3,000.
    Since then, the rebate has increased to $6,000 and he will receive that extra $3,000 as well.
    Everything about it looks impressive and I was surprised at the low final cost.

    One temporary drawback he said, was he noticed in his rear vision mirror drivers behind him getting too close to his car, obviously trying to read the wording Build Your Dreams, which is in rather small print.

  14. As Trump appears in a federal court in Miami tomorrow, all eyes will be on dear Judge Cannon, a member of the conservative Federalist Society, who got it so wrong with her decision to appoint a Special Master, apparently unaware of a precedent set in ’43.

    The intense interest will centre on whether she recuses herself or will the prosecutor’s hand be forced. And then there’s the question of bail, some of the reasons for not granting same are:

    1. Is the defendant a flight risk?

    2. Is the defendant a danger to those involved in the case?

    As regards the first: affirmative. I think the Saudi family would welcome him.

    As for the second, Trump has indirectly threatened those involved
    in his travails, even the wife of the special counsel. If the law was to be applied equally, he’d be remanded in custody.

  15. B.S. Fairman @6:16. ” I doubt the Katy Gallagher stuff is going to go anyway. It will blemish her but the overall issue is just so murky and icky that I can’t see it [sinking] her without taking a lot of LNP senators with her.’

    That’s my view. The question should be along the lines of “What are private texts entrusted to legal teams and police for a trial of grave criminal charges doing in the public domain? Who put them there?” The answer would be that the Liberal-Newscorp Noise Machine has bootstrapped the whole issue using leaked private texts because they thought they could exploit this whole sorry affair to their political advantage. The Noise Machine will keep it going as long as they see a benefit or drop it if they don’t.

    And Ms Gallagher being accused of misleading Parliament by opponents who can barely open their mouths inside or outside Parliament without lying. Sorry, not interested.

  16. 98.6says:
    Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 9:37 pm
    Mavis says:
    Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 12:20 pm
    It should be a good week, with Trump fronting court on Tuesday; young Pa Houston on Thursday; and, a decision by the NSW ICAC on Beryjiklian (Operation Keppel) on or before June 30.
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    98.6 recites :
    30 days has September, April, June and November.
    So 11 from 30 leaves 19 sleeps till we know all the answers, starting with tonight’s sleep as number one.
    If we’re lucky, we may get the lot this week.
    Then we can all sing along with that song by Hedgehoppers Anonymus :- ‘It’s Good News Week’
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    So only one more sleep till Trump fronts court.
    Only between one or 17 more sleeps till we hear ICAC’s verdict on Gladys.
    It will be a Good News Week followed by a Good News Month.

    Hedgehoppers Karaoke here we come.

  17. UK Terrorism:
    A 31-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder in Nottingham, following the deaths of three people around the city centre. In a statement police said they were called to Ilkeston Road just after 04:00 BST, where two people were found dead in the street, and another man was later found dead in Magdala Road. Officers were called to another incident on Milton Street, where a van had attempted to run over three people – they’re all currently being treated in hospital. Chief Constable Kate Meynell said Nottinghamshire Police believe the three “tragic” and “horrific” incidents are linked. A number of roads have been closed and public transport, including bus and tram services, suspended while detectives get to work establishing the facts of the case. The suspect remains in police custody, Meynell added in her statement.

  18. “ Anthony Albanese has accused Peter Dutton of telling the Prime Minister’s office of Brittany Higgins’ rape allegation “days before” it became public.
    The Prime Minister turned the tables on the Opposition leader in parliament after he asked Mr Albanese when the Prime Minister’s office became aware.”

    “ Mr Albanese said it was a strange question to ask, given that it was in fact Mr Dutton’s office who tipped off Mr Morrison’s office about an AFP briefing before the story broke.”

    “ News.com.au has previously reported that on February 24, 2021, Mr Dutton told parliament he was aware of the claims before the story broke on February 15, 2021.”

    Sounds to me like Dutton has far more questions to answer than Gallagher.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/new-accusation-suggests-scott-morrison-was-informed-of-higgins-allegation-days-before-news-broke/news-story/9295c1b21cc3b6dabc2d725bb7ef96da

  19. Consumer sentiment is stuck at recessionary levels and businesses are increasingly pessimistic about the economy amid fears persistent wage and price pressures will force the Reserve Bank to deliver multiple cash rate rises.

    Measures of business conditions and forward orders from business customers continued their sustained decline in May, according to NAB’s monthly business survey, indicating the pipeline of future economic activity was shrinking in response to the fastest interest rate tightening cycle in a generation. Business confidence fell from 0 to -4, which was below the series long-run average and meant pessimists outweighed optimists.

    Forward orders, which are an indicator of future activity, fell sharply from 1 to -5. Orders were particularly weak in consumer-reliant sectors such as retail and wholesale, where businesses are grappling with a sharp slowdown in consumer demand for goods and services.

    The release of the NAB survey came on the same day the Westpac-Melbourne Institute consumer sentiment survey showed the household sector remained exceptionally downbeat, with the survey’s headline sentiment measure 22 per cent below its long-run average. Westpac chief economist Bill Evans said consumer sentiment had not been so low on a sustained basis since the early 1990s recession.

    “Of most concern is confidence around jobs – which has been the single bright spot in otherwise bleak consumer surveys over the last year. This now looks to be fading fast,” Mr Evans said, with the survey’s unemployment expectations index jumping 21 per cent over the 12 months.

    Household perceptions that it was a good time to buy a major household item declined again, to be 15 per cent below levels seen this time last year, while perceptions of family finances were 12 per cent lower than 12 months ago.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/consumer-and-business-sentiment-sours-amid-interest-rate-fears-20230613-p5dg6u

  20. Ret. Gen. Ben Hodges has this advice for ‘Ukrainian counteroffensive watchers’:

    “When we see large, armored formations join the assault, then I think we’ll know the main attack has really begun. To date, I don’t think we’ve witnessed this concentration of several hundred tanks and infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) in the attack.

    A Ukrainian tank battalion normally has 31 tanks. An armored infantry battalion would have about the same number. Add in armored vehicles carrying engineers, air defense, logistics, and so on. An armored brigade would likely have three tank battalions and one or two mechanized infantry battalions. In total, then, an armored brigade is going to have 250-plus armored vehicles of different types.

    I estimate that the Ukrainians have put together anywhere from seven to 12 armored brigades. Some may have only Ukrainian or captured Russian equipment, and others will have a mix of Western-provided kit.

    When we see two or three of those brigades (around 500-750 armored vehicles) focused on a narrow front, it will then be possible to say that the main attack has probably started and where it’s happening. But even then, be careful. The Ukrainian General Staff will want to keep the Russians guessing about the location of the main attack for as long as possible, and they won’t be too bothered (and will probably welcome) Twitter getting it wrong.”

    https://cepa.org/article/think-ukraines-offensive-has-started-wait-for-the-heavy-brigades/

    To date, Russia has only released footage of small units of maybe 6-10 Ukrainian armoured vehicles being successfully stopped. This is way short of the 500-750 armoured vehicles Gen. Hodges advises is to be expected from the main push when it happens. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are only just clearing their throat.

  21. Cronus says:
    Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:23 pm
    “ Anthony Albanese has accused Peter Dutton of telling the Prime Minister’s office of Brittany Higgins’ rape allegation “days before” it became public.
    The Prime Minister turned the tables on the Opposition leader in parliament after he asked Mr Albanese when the Prime Minister’s office became aware.”

    “ Mr Albanese said it was a strange question to ask, given that it was in fact Mr Dutton’s office who tipped off Mr Morrison’s office about an AFP briefing before the story broke.”

    “ News.com.au has previously reported that on February 24, 2021, Mr Dutton told parliament he was aware of the claims before the story broke on February 15, 2021.”

    Sounds to me like Dutton has far more questions to answer than Gallagher.
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    98.6 says :
    I think its time both the Labor and Liberal parties got their head honchos together to agree to shut down this childish bickering.
    There will be no winners here.

  22. The Murdoch media used leaked text messages to prosecute a political attack with no regard to Ms Higgins' welfare or the public interest.Murdoch media's influence and control is unaccountable and dangerous. This is why today I introduced a Murdoch media Royal Commission bill.— Sarah Hanson-Young (@sarahinthesen8) June 13, 2023

  23. My comment about a tesla is this

    When I was a passegner in a Tesla I think the acceleration might of been a bit too much for me. (At least as a passenger)

  24. “ Would Christie weigh in as the heaviest President ever, should his message fall on fertile ground?”

    Taft

  25. Enough Already

    “ To date, Russia has only released footage of small units of maybe 6-10 Ukrainian armoured vehicles being successfully stopped. This is way short of the 500-750 armoured vehicles Gen. Hodges advises is to be expected from the main push when it happens. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are only just clearing their throat.”
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    I’m not sure I’m expecting such large Ukrainian armoured formations before July, mainly because of the need to clear sufficient passages through significant minefields and obstacles. The fact that several Ukrainian mine clearers were disabled by the Russians (the repeated video) is evidence that Ukraine understands this well.

    Until this time, I anticipate continued small-scale probing and reconnaissance, pushing back of Russian lines, skirmishes and attempts to dislodge (not necessarily destroy) Russian units through shaping operations. In addition to this will be ongoing missile attacks on Russian HQ, logistics, armament and also troop holdings and key points of infrastructure such as bridges. Any substantial breach leading to the Sea of Azov by Ukraine by the end of Summer would be considered a significant success as Crimea would be effectively isolated.

  26. Nobody cares who knew what when. Ms Gallagher as received a lot more exposure and she comes across as a very competent minster. The press come across as a bunch of wankers. My wife has informed me in very angry terms the Liberal just hate women.

  27. Gotta agree

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    P R Guy

    The failed plot by the L-NP to politicise Brittany Higgins’ allegations and turn them into a Labor scandal has to be one of the clumsiest acts of self-sabotage I’ve ever seen (Vic Libs level). Who came up with this crazy idea and how did they not see it backfiring? #auspol

  28. Linda Reynolds is threatening to sue Tanya Plibersek for defamation over comments she made about the former defence minister’s knowledge of Brittany Higgins’ rape allegations. The Liberal Senator sent the Environment Minister a defamation concerns notice over remarks she made on Sunrise Tuesday morning, The Australian reported. The comments which triggered the legal action were involving Ms Higgins’ allegations she was sexually assaulted by Bruce Lehrmann while they both worked in Senator Reynolds’ office. Ms Reynolds has told Ms Plibersek she has 28 days to provide a signed apology and retract her comments. She is also asking for her legal costs to be covered and to be paid an ‘appropriate sum to compensate… for the damage caused by the publication’.

  29. 98.6 says :
    I think its time both the Labor and Liberal parties got their head honchos together to agree to shut down this childish bickering.
    There will be no winners here.
    —————————-

    +1, Brittany Higgins foremost of all, her treatment has been horrific.

  30. Cronus @ Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 8:02 pm:

    “I’m not sure I’m expecting such large Ukrainian armoured formations before July, mainly because of the need to clear sufficient passages through significant minefields and obstacles. The fact that several Ukrainian mine clearers were disabled by the Russians (the repeated video) is evidence that Ukraine understands this well.

    Until this time, I anticipate continued small-scale probing and reconnaissance, pushing back of Russian lines, skirmishes and attempts to dislodge (not necessarily destroy) Russian units through shaping operations. In addition to this will be ongoing missile attacks on Russian HQ, logistics, armament and also troop holdings and key points of infrastructure such as bridges. Any substantial breach leading to the Sea of Azov by Ukraine by the end of Summer would be considered a significant success as Crimea would be effectively isolated.”
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    Cronus, thank you for that insight. This just underscores the wisdom of remaining patient and not jumping at every ‘Telegram tragedy’ Russia serves up.

  31. Cronus says:
    Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 8:04 pm

    +1, Brittany Higgins foremost of all, her treatment has been horrific.

    And thus my wife’s comment, the Liberals just hate women.

  32. @Integrity:

    “ #AUKUS sub cost comparison. UK’s new SSBN programme cost is AUD $76B – that’s $19B per sub. Australia’s 8 SSN will cost $368B – that’s $46B per sub. At more than twice the price Paul Keating has nailed it – “the worst deal in all history”. #auspol https://t.co/Zl3C51qlg9— Rex Patrick (@MrRexPatrick) June 13, 2023”

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    Rex Patrick does himself no favours peddling this sort of horse-shit fuckery.

    The Dreadnaught SSBN program cost relates to build costs only.

    The AUKUS costs are the total costs for the first two pillars and half of the third pillar of the program: ie. all moneys to be spent between 2023 and 2055: that includes building a new base on the east cost, new facilities on the west coast to host US and UK submarines on rotation, the training costs for construction workers and embedding sailors and maintenance crews on UK and US boats and facilities over the next 10-15 years, new construction facilities at Osborne shipyard in Adelaide, creating a whole new nuclear industry of engineers, scientists and workers, buying between 3 and 5 Virginia class boats between 2033 and around 4045, and building the first 3 to 5 SSN-AUKUS boats. It also includes all sustainment costs between 2033 (when the first Virginia Class boat is due into RAN service) and 2055.

    Don’t get me wrong, Keating was right: worst deal in. History. But patrick is a proven liar on such matters (he consistently claims that the $50 billion Atrtack class program had ‘blown out’ to $90 billion when the program was cancelled, when in truth the difference between the two figures was solely due to the different in ‘constant dollars’ in. 2016 dollar value terms and and estimate of ‘turned out dollars’ – ie. was was likely to be paid between 2016 and 2052, taking into account inflation projections over the course of three decades.

    The bigger issues are these:

    1. The $368 billion estimate only takes us through to 2053-55. After that more than half the sustainment costs and approximately half of the SSN-AUKUS build program will still have to run. Even on the ‘rosey’ government estimates AUKUS is likley to end up being a trillion dollar program by the time the last SSN-AUKUS is finally retired from service.

    2. Neither Fort Fumble or the prime contractor – BAE marine have hit a mark regarding budget and schedule on large acquisition programs in living memory. A one trillion incls cost? HHmm. I reckon we’d be lucky to escape for less than two trillion, when all is said and done.

    Of course, AUKUS is pure fantasy. As Troy Bramston said today Britain is just circling the Brexit drain hole at the moment. It’s probably about 5 years off achieving a genuine 3rd world status. Everything there is fucked. BAE wont be the prime contractor for Australian subs because Britain will be living in a Neolithic Stone Age next decade.

    #Rule Britannia! Huzzah!

  33. 98.6 says :
    I think its time both the Labor and Liberal parties got their head honchos together to agree to shut down this childish bickering.
    There will be no winners here.

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    The Liberals think they will be a winner if they push hard enough. Labor has no choice but to respond. You can’t get agreement if one side thinks it is better off by not agreeing. There will be no winners here. Brittany Higgins will be the biggest loser. Labor will lose nothing I think and the Liberals stupidly will lose the war for the hearts of women whether they win the battle or not.

    Same for the Voice. The stupid Coalition think they are on a winner if they defeat the Voice but they will be losers. The First Nations people will be the biggest loser and Labor will lose little, because at least they tried to make a difference (and almost certainly will get a majority of votes, even if not states).

  34. Chris Christie weighed 420 pounds before lap band surgery in 2014 – now a svelte 299 pounds – or 123kg.

    William Howard Taft was 354 pounds when he was sworn in as President in 1909. His only claim to fame was being so fat he was stuck in a bathtub in the Whitehouse, and it took 6 men and a lot of lard to free him.

  35. ItzaDream says:
    Monday, June 12, 2023 at 6:44 pm
    The lunatic live – it’s insane.
    https://www.youtube.com/live/0x27RnB7vHI?feature=share
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    98.6 says :
    I watched this from start to finish, the first time in years that I have seen Trump give a speech in full for well over an hour.
    I doubt he used a tele-prompter or indeed a written speech to glance at, but I was amassed as to how he continued to talk ad nauseam, usually without more than a second or two break.
    As ItzaDream said, he may be a lunatic and he may be insane, but what I observed was a man who spoke in very simple repetitive terms, words and sentences. No doubt he knows how to talk to those who are his followers, presuming also that he knows about the golden rule ‘Keep it simple, Stupid’.
    Hence, Hillary’s now famous, or infamous, ‘basket of deplorables’.

    I’ve heard that he speaks this long at many meetings ranting about ‘fake news’ and the ‘stolen election’ and simply discounting anything that anyone says against him, so much so that one has to wonder how many other political candidates are given the same opportunity to speak on prime time TV without consequence.

    Either way, I was amassed at what I saw and I doubt he will change, indictments or not.

  36. Mavis

    Thanks for your earlier comments on the Trump hearing. Surely they give extra points on flight risk for someone who owns his own plane and has his tax affairs based in foreign tax havens??

    Holden Hillbilly
    “ Linda Reynolds is threatening to sue Tanya Plibersek for defamation over comments she made about the former defence minister’s knowledge of Brittany Higgins’ rape allegations.”

    Unbelievable 😀 She does understand that Plibersek would get to do discovery on all of Reynolds’ relevant communications and could oblige Reynolds to be cross examined over things like… why did you get your office steam cleaned? What a stupid bluff.

  37. ”The Liberals think they will be a winner if they push hard enough. Labor has no choice but to respond.”

    This is a combined Liberal-Newscorp operation.

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