Labor’s two-point gain in last fortnight’s Essential Research poll has proved to be an aberration, with the latest result snapping back to 52-48. This is matched by the primary votes, on which the Coalition is up two to 38% and Labor down two to 35% (we will have to wait for the full report later today to see how the minor parties have gone). According to The Guardian’s report, the poll also finds 50% favouring Labor’s tax policy over the Coalition, with the result for the latter not stated, except of course that it’s lower; 79% supporting the first stage of the government’s tax cuts, targeting lower and middle income earners, but only 37% for stage three, whereby the tax scales will be flattened to the advantage of higher income earners; support and opposition for company tax cuts tied at 39% apiece; support for higher finding for the ABC, though we will have to wait for hard data on which areas of the broadcaster’s activities were most favoured.
Other questions relate to international matters, with 35% responding that the North Korea summit would make the world safer, 8% less safe, and 41% no difference. On foreign leaders, Justin Trudeau (up nine on last year) and Jacinda Ardern (on debut) both scored 54% approval, and if I’m reading this correctly, Theresa May scored 42% (up nine) and Donald Trump 22% (up six) – I believe other leaders will have been canvassed as well, but further results will have to wait.
UPDATE: Full results from Essential here – the Greens are up one to 11%, and One Nation down one to 7%. Further international leadership approval ratings include a 43% for Angela Merkel, unchanged on last year, 42% for Emmanuel Macron, up one, 19% for Vladimir Putin, up three, and, if you could credit it, 9% for Kim Jong-Un. Fortuitously, this comes as the Lowy Institute publishes results of a survey of 1200 respondents on Australian attitudes to the world, which similarly finds high levels of confidence for Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron, and low ones for Donald Trump and Kim Jong-Un.
Also out today is further results from the Newspoll in The Australian, finding Malcolm Turnbull favoured by 47% as best leader to handle the asylum seeker issue (down five from December) and Bill Shorten on 30% (up two). It also finds 26% expecting Labor will “improve the policy”, 37% that it will “open the floodgates”, and 24% that it will make no difference.
guytaur @ #189 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 8:17 am
A lesson!
There are 3 elements to the Governments bill.
1. low income tax REBATES
2. Adjustments to supposedly compensate for bracket creep
3. Flattening the tax rate to 32% up to $200k
There is no part 4 corporate tax cuts, that is a separate bill.
The Greens oppose all 3 parts, Labor opposes parts 2 and 3.
Sorry if I misinterpreted your conflation it is now obvious you were providing an example for how the Government may conflate the issues.
TPOF @ #191 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 8:19 am
There was a report the other day that measures already in place have more than compensated people for any bracket creep.
That is probably why Labor has decided not to support this part of the bill.
ratsak
Exactly the reason I like the Toxic Masculinity term.
It puts the blame where it belongs and does not automatically blame all white males
Thus we can have no victim blaming. No all men are violent perpetrators.
Just an acceptance of a culture that can be changed through learning.
This also means understanding that ethnic cultures can also have patriarchal systems in place as well.
Barney
I am glad I got my point across. 🙂
When I say these things I am not defending the Greens but trying to point out what the LNP will say and how that damages both Labor and the Greens.
Its all good. 🙂
Ratsak
Yes.
The literture on attitude change is comprehensive and well established years ago.
If attitude change in men is what is required (and it is required in many men and some women) abuse, condemnation, criticism not only won’t work, but will harden existing attitudes.
Sometimes it is clear that the hard core anti men brigade are not actually focussed on achieving change, and are venting anger about their own life experiences. This is sad.
Player One,
I haven’t ignored your post, I was getting ready, because this fat and ugly Gosford Godzilla, Neddy No Friends, is off to lunch with some, er…friends. 🙂
Can you please link to it again about 4? Thanks.
@Barney
Blah blah blah excuses.
Roger Miller
Thank you for your comment.
But abuse is not really productive.
You might like to read up about how attitude change occurs. That is if you really want change for the better.
Do you actually want change?
guytaur @ #204 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 8:36 am
If that’s what you were doing you should make it clearer, your post reads like it’s your opinion.
It may be a source of negative comments against you at other times! 🙂
Zoidlord @ #207 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 8:39 am
Reality!!!
ABC 24 about to cross to ALP caucus speech by Bill Shorten
booleanbach @ #194 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 11:25 am
Meanwhile, back here in Australia, some people still think it is a good idea to continue to burn coal 🙁
I said a while back that we still had a decade – perhaps as long as a decade and a half – before catastrophic climate change became inevitable (not, as some people here misinterpreted it, that catastrophic change would occur).
It’s possible we don’t even have that long. Anyone who spends substantial time outside the cities can now see the signs on almost a daily basis – rainfall patterns changing, temperatures changing, wind patterns changing, animal populations migrating, insect populations declining, and plants getting confused about what season it is.
C@tmomma @ #206 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 11:38 am
Don’t worry – I was just trying to change the subject 🙂
ratsak
Your example of language change is arse about. In our society men are dominant. In our society whites are dominant. Try substituting white for men and non white for women and see how it reads.
Barney
I don’t know what more I can say than I am not defending the Greens.
I am not attacking Labor.
Like for example how I have put it that I don’t like them but I accept Labor’s policies on AS.
The Bill Wilkie introduced would be the one I would vote for and I hope that something like that is what Labor will do in government.
ratsak,
A few of your wise words directed at some of the male commenters who were basically saying ED asked for it and was titillating herself by dicing with obvious danger on the night, might not go astray either. You are an influential voice.
Sorry C@t, but that’s a straight up strawman. No one was doing this that I could see. The discussion regarding personal safety all seemed very reasonable and of the form that the world has bad shit that happens in it, so being aware of risks helps reduce them, but even then shit can and does happen.
The idea that anyone posting here has pulled the old ‘well she was wearing sexy clothing so she was asking for a good raping’ just isn’t supported by the posts.
Roger Miller @ #212 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 9:49 am
I was thinking the exact same thing!
Most churches and religions have a lot to answer for. That women are temptresses leading men astray goes back to Eve. Like forever. That men hand a woman over to another man to whom she must give her body whenever he wants to satisfy himself is not exactly past tense. Who decreed women to be unclean and unable to enter the inner sanctum like superior males who don’t bleed and soil once a month and need to bath and cleanse themselves in preparation for the male? That women shave their hair, cover their bodies, hide themselves for it is a men’s fault that he can’t restrain himself.
The failure of men to see the equality in women, to see themselves as women, to see themselves raped when a woman is raped, to die with the woman, to be men and only men, is where empathy breaks down.
It is not enough to say it wasn’t me, I wasn’t there. We were and we are.
Women are better at collectivising themselves I think. Forever. As oppressed, as chattel, as goods and services, as bearers of children, burdened by menstruation, women have tended to women. Women have midwives. Men come together to go to war.
Confessions @ #217 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 11:52 am
Me three!
I won’t be silenced either.
They would sell their own mother (cant work out how to post image)
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In which case more women will be raped and murdered in parks.
No-one says women don’t have the right to go out at night. That is a straw man argument.
No-one says people don’t have to right to go swimming in a big surf either, or abseil down a high cliff, or try skydiving, or tight-rope walking.
But there are risks involved in all these activities. I wonder if Ms Dixon’s last words were, “You don’t have the right to do this!” A lot of good it did her.
Here and now I’ll call out rapists and murderers: “Hey you psychopathic arseholes, stop bashing and raping women!”
Will that stop it? I doubt it.
What about, “We need more cops on the beat!”
There, I’ve said that too.
Did it do any good? Nope.
Next time I speak to a female stranger I’ll tell her not to worry, I won’t be raping and murdering her today. That should put her at her ease.
I’ll tell my grandsons not to bash their girlfriends. They already don’t do that, but it won’t hurt to remind them. Won’t do a lot of good, either.
I told their father not to bash their mother and all I got was a bashing in reply that put me in hospital. I also told him not to do ice and heroin. He didn’t take any notice of me on either count. That made me complicit in his beating his partner, I suppose.
The point is, there’s only so much you can do personally. Lighting candles won’t stop the next attack. These kinds of incidents are beyond reason and education, and symbolism. They are the work of nutters.
But fathers who have daughters advising them to take precautions, and not to walk home alone through darkened precincts that are known or likely to harbour weirdos just might, at least in the short term, until we can solve the problem of violence against women once and for all.
Telling them that the man who murders them will not have the right to do so, and will be punished when they are dead is cold comfort, in my opinion.
Better to have a live daughter than a dead martyr.
Then again, that’s just my personal opinion. Until someone can stump up with a better suggestion than just advising daughters to ignore the risks, it will remain so.
SRpeatling tweets
Tradies, teachers, tax relief, top end of town – Labor must have some canny research about t words cutting through.
Bullshit.
Who are these ‘hard core anti men brigade’, and whose army are they a part of?
I know, I know…
Can someone post the gist of Shorten’s speech to caucus? Am severely limited in connectivity here in paradise! 😆
BB
BS
Calling out the culture of victim blaming is how you change the culture. Thus there will be less men who think its ok to try and show dominance of woman through violence of rape and domestic violence.
We understand that you and BW are not saying that rape is a good thing or even trying to give an excuse for it.
We understand you think you are being labelled a rapist just because commentators have said all men are responsible. The point they are making with this is talking about the culture. We men all have a duty to combat DV and inequality directed at woman. That includes not having the police victim blame woman.
Thats different to a father or mother giving wise advise about looking after their personal safety.
Thats a red herring that is an excuse. Its the fact the authorities have said it that is the problem.
People in power and with positions of influence have a duty not to victim blame in the effort to promote safe practices.
imacca @ #80 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 9:31 am
Too sensible and simple a statement to be supported by some on here.
But I agree.
Sorry if this has already been posted.
“Independent senator Derryn Hinch says he supports Coalition’s income tax cuts with ‘no strings attached'”: https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/independent-senator-derryn-hinch-says-he-supports-coalition-s-income-tax-cuts-with-no-strings-attached-20180619-p4zmbp.html
Fox and the Guardian must use the same sub-editors.
guytaur @ #89 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 9:39 am
Microchip them!
Premature post with typos. Sorry. Needed some serious revision, and was moving onto talk about the role of memorials, and candles and things, and woooshh, suddenly it was gone.
Sohar @ #229 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 12:06 pm
That graphic makes no sense. Trump’s party controls Congress. So surely it should be Trump+Congress on one side, and then some sort of ‘everybody else’ graphic on the other.
It’s certainly not a showdown between Trump and Congress.
Shorten dumped by ABC
Does it ever happen to Turnbull … before he runs off?
Rossmcg @ #233 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 12:10 pm
You are surprised?
They are by no means a significant number, but there have been some Republicans who have said they will try to use the legislature to change Trump’s child removal policies. Ted Cruz was one of them I believe.
bemused @ #230 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 12:06 pm
Not a flippant situation, and Midler was being far from flippant.
Last night, Bushfire Bill said exactly what C@TMomma outlined in the comment you responded to.
Bushfire Bill’s rhetoric and behaviour last night was disgusting.
Jauth
Just had a quick search and nothing very obvious. If you have a link I would be glad to oblige.
But really, with your OH business Skyping and you Shorten-speeching… where is the holiday?
BTW, while there are clear choices involved in various ways, I don’t believe that having two close relations who were physically assaulted means you can’t be as objective as the next person.
IMO, the bottom line somewhere all the time with everyone is that there is a subjective element in what we say and how we say it. It is what makes us human.
One of my uncles shot himself to death and this had (and decades later) continues to have an impact on his family including on myself. I certainly don’t stop from making comments on suicide because of this.
imacca @ #108 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 10:10 am
Have I misunderstood the article?
Both sides of the altercation appear to have been from the same faction, curiously identified as ‘Moderate’. So was it a fight within a faction and not a fight between factions?
Curious indeed.
JimmyD @ #237 Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 – 12:15 pm
Yes, absolutely pathetic.
Greg Jericho Verified account @GrogsGamut
BB
To make my point clearer and less personal.
My parents taught me how to behave in pubs and clubs to avoid getting into fights. Just like advice in schoolyards to avoid bullying.
However at no time was I told not to go to a pub or nightclub.
The same applies here. Especially for people like the police.
I got the impression he was drunk and spoiling for a fight.
Re C@t & Dan:-
C@t – “That way the Working Poor get immediate Cost of Living relief.”
Dan –
“There is nothing “immediate” about having to wait until the end of the financial year to get money back.
“People can get themselves into severe financial difficulty having to wait that long for “relief” to arrive. The money will have been spent long before it arrives.”
For the life of me I don’t know why Labor didn’t forshadow that it would amend Phase 1 to have the additional rebate measures apply for the current financial year (2017-18). That way there would be relief for the working poor almost immediately.
Truffles and ScoMo would both infarct (reason enough) and would then blunder back into ‘debt and deficit’ language, thus presenting Labor with a great opportunity to showcase its savings measures in comparison with the Gubberments.
Win. Win. Win.
Confessions says: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm
That graphic makes no sense. Trump’s party controls Congress. So surely it should be Trump+Congress on one side, and then some sort of ‘everybody else’ graphic on the other.
They are by no means a significant number, but there have been some Republicans who have said they will try to use the legislature to change Trump’s child removal policies. Ted Cruz was one of them I believe.
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There are reports that ‘some’ Republicans are not happy with Trump over this child separation :
In a Monday night tweet, Arizona Sen. John McCain said that the Trump administration policy is “an affront to the decency of the American people.” He added that the president should end it immediately.
John McCain @SenJohnMcCain
The administration’s current family separation policy is an affront to the decency of the American people, and contrary to principles and values upon which our nation was founded. The administration has the power to rescind this policy. It should do so now.
McCain isn’t the only Republican standing up to Trump. That number continues to grow, with GOP senators like Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Susan Collins (R-ME), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), James Lankford (R-OK) and Ben Sasse (R-NE), among others, all announcing their opposition.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), worried the issue will hurt his re-election contest against Democratic challenger Beto O’Rourke, even said he would introduce emergency legislation to end the policy.
Key Republicans in the House of Representatives, like Rep. Mark Meadows, have also said that families shouldn’t be broken up.
After blindly standing by this president since he took office, no matter what he said and did, Republicans are finally finding their spine – at least on this issue.
Shorten gets it right (courtesy of The Guardian which is still reporting his presser aftyer the ABC cut it):
Bill Shorten is addressing the ‘aspirational’ debate Malcolm Turnbull and the government has raised.
“Mr Turnbull loves to talk about aspiration. But he only has one definition of aspiration. More money.
“Now that is not unreasonable. But I think there is plenty of aspiration in this country. I don’t judge a person by how much money they are make. If you have an aspiration to send your kids to Tafe, that will do for me. If you have an aspiration to find decent home care, residential care, for your parent who has been diagnosed with dementia, that is aspiration. if you have an aspiration to be fair dinkum on climate change, that will do me.
“I have a view of Australia which is not defined by how much money you have in the bank.”
phoenixRed:
According to a recent poll, something like 58% of Republican voters support Trump’s child separation policy.
And did you see the video of Ann Coulter saying they’re just child actors handed a script by liberals?
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1008759474046160896
“For the life of me I don’t know why Labor didn’t forshadow that it would amend Phase 1 to have the additional rebate measures apply for the current financial year (2017-18). That way there would be relief for the working poor almost immediately. ”
Because Labor can’t implement it until it gets into power. It only makes sense to be prospective.
And because that sort of stuff would be a golden opportunity to Scomo to distract attention from his fraudulent proposal.
Ratsak:
[It seems pretty obvious that the (positive) movement to not judge people by traits such as skin colour, sex, religion, or sexual preference has developed an inconsistency in regards to males and white people, with a slightly smaller inconsistency to heterosexuals and Christians (but all religions are fucking nuts so pile on those fools ). These are fair game.]
The point you make is a valid one. Accusing all men of being complicit in rape is obviously absurd.
OTOH if you listen what is really being said is that ALL women, when they think of going out, particularly alone and at night, are fearful of ALL men who they might encounter. This is not a particularly logical reaction since not all men (indeed probably very few) should be feared- but fear doesn’t work on that level. Taking all sorts of precautions to minimise risk and reduce fear (self-defense classes, carrying a whistle, going home early with company, etc) are the sorts of entirely rational decisions women MUST take to protect themselves against the fear they have of ALL men they may encounter, particularly when they are alone and at night.
In this way just being a man is enough to be labelled “something to fear”. In this way, unwittingly, ALL men (who might go out and about and encounter women, particularly at night and when they are alone) are complicit.
Men need to recognise that as a man they are the source of fear held by women. And if I as a man am a well-founded source of fear for women then I need to do reasonably what I can to reduce that fear. There are many things I can do with little inconvenience, including crossing the road, being loud and obvious and keeping my distance etc.
To make the valid argument that not all men are in any way a danger to any woman in any circumstance still less a danger when the woman is out alone at night is therefore completely beside the real point IMO. Were I a woman alone at night and I encountered a man I would agree with your proposition that not all men are rapists. But I would still treat any man encountered as a potential rapist until proven otherwise.
As an aside I completely agree with you in relation to the religious.
Shorten’s statement (or Labor’s election pitch):
A Shorten Labor Government will deliver permanent tax relief for the Australians who need it most – ensuring tax relief goes back into the pockets of 10 million middle income and working Australians, not Turnbull’s millionaires.
Under the Liberals, working Australians are struggling with soaring cost of living expenses – with energy costs higher than ever, health costs higher than ever, and wage growth at record lows.
But Turnbull wants someone on $200,000 to pay the same tax rate as someone on $40,000.
Labor will fight to ensure that low income and working Australians get a fair share – rather than the top tax bracket being the largest beneficiary in six years’ time.
Labor’s will support tax cuts for 10 million people on the 1st of July – we are ready to vote for them today. And if we are elected, we will almost double these tax cuts and make them permanent – while asking those in the top tax bracket to pay a little more to help reduce the debt.
Labor’s bigger, better and fairer income tax cuts will see those earning up to $125,000 a year better off when compared to Malcolm Turnbull’s plan over the next four years.
Labor does not support someone on $200,000 paying the same tax rate as someone on $40,000. We don’t agree with Turnbull giving even more tax cuts for the top tax bracket – and this is after Turnbull cut their tax rate last year.
That’s why Labor will move amendments in the Senate to the Treasury Laws Amendment (Personal Income Tax Plan) Bill 2018 to ensure the passage of the tax cuts starting on 1 July.
We will seek to implement better, fairer tax cuts through Labor’s Tax Refund for Working Australians – which would double the tax relief to up to $928 per year.
Turnbull needs to stop standing in the way of tax relief for 10 million Australians. Tax cuts for teachers and tradies this year should not be held hostage to tax cuts for bankers in six years.
And if Turnbull doesn’t allow passage of tax relief for 10 million Australians before 1 July – a Shorten Labor Government will ensure they receive it regardless. The Treasurer himself has conceded that the legislation does not need to be in place by 1 July for the tax relief to be received at the end of next financial year – so we will act on Turnbull’s failure, make sure they receive this tax relief and lock in our bigger, fairer, tax cut.
The Turnbull Government’s priority is for tax cuts for big business and high income earners – at a cost to the Budget of a $25 billion a year in ten years’ time.
Because Labor isn’t giving millionaires another tax cut, or giving big business an $80 billion tax handout, we can put more money into the pockets of working Australians, fund better schools and hospitals, and pay down the debt quicker.
(courtesy of the Guardian blog)