Newspoll: 52-48 to Labor

The Newspoll everyone has been waiting for is in all other respects a dull, steady, status quo result.

Malcolm Turnbull’s thirtieth successive Newspoll loss is 52-48 to Labor, down from 53-47, which actually completes a hat trick of polls for the Coalition over recent days which have been at the better end of normal for them (see previous post on Ipsos and Morgan results). On the primary vote, the Coalition up one to 38%, Labor is down two to 37%, the Greens are up one to 10% and One Nation is steady on 7%.

As Kevin Bonham has observed, it seems likely that Newspoll is no longer using a roughly 50-50 preference split for One Nation as per the results of the 2016 election, but is instead being guided by the lean towards the Coalition evident at the Queensland and Western Australian elections. This was apparent in the pollster’s recent quarterly state breakdowns, and this latest poll would come out at 52.7-47.3 if the earlier measure had been used (albeit that rounding might have changed this).

For personal ratings, Malcolm Turnbull is steady on 32% approval and up one on disapproval to 57%; Bill Shorten is down two to 32% and up three to 57%. On preferred prime minister, Turnbull is down a point to 38%, while Shorten is steady on 36%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1597.

Correctives to the notion that Tony Abbott should feel vindicated:

• Newspoll has been a lot less volatile in Malcolm Turnbull’s time than it was in Tony Abbott’s, when it was essentially a different poll – but even the most favourable outliers under Abbott failed to draw the Coalition level, such was the scale of their underlying deficit.

• At the time of his ousting in September 2015, my trend measure found Tony Abbott with a net approval of around 30%. Turnbull is currently at around minus 20% and was only as low as minus 25% at his nadir, whereas Abbott bottomed out at minus 45% right after the Prince Phillip knighthood on Australia Day 2015.

• Turnbull also enjoys a modest but consistent lead over Bill Shorten as preferred prime minister, whereas Abbott never did better than equal him, and was usually behind — often badly, which is very unusual for the incumbent.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. This Newspoll loss won’t knock Malcolm Turnbull out, but if he can’t turn things around in the months ahead he should step aside for someone else to lead the ­Coalition into the next election.

    While the headline from the latest Newspoll is that Turnbull has hit the 30-fails benchmark he set for Tony Abbott, the numbers also reveal Bill Shorten as an opposition leader who by rights should be too unpopular to win an election. However, if the Coalition ­remains divided, as it almost certainly will, Abbott in opposition taught us that even the most unpopular of opposition leaders can defeat a chaotic government, consumed by its own problems rather than the challenges the nation wants fixed.

    No one could credibly claim destabilisation and sniping haven’t contributed to the polling woes Turnbull has faced, even if the lion’s share of the blame rightly rests with the Prime Minister.

    Equally, John Howard proved that a government stuck in a polling rut can come back and win an unlikely election victory. Three months out from the 1998 election, Howard’s personal numbers were worse than Turnbull’s are now, and the Coalition’s primary vote was well down on today’s Newspoll numbers.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/peter-van-onselen/turnbull-still-has-time-just-but-his-critics-will-never-give-him-clean-air/news-story/6eceecb83e5122cb33937c3e75d6c759

  3. Late Riser @ #6 Sunday, April 8th, 2018 – 8:10 pm

    ratsak @ #893 Sunday, April 8th, 2018 – 10:03 pm

    What a legend Brian Trumble is.

    Lost 30 straight Newspolls as LOTO
    Lost 30 straight Newspolls as PM

    Surely no one else could achieve such a double.

    Worth a repost!

    The corollary of that is Bill Shorten has won:

    30 Newspolls in a row against Tony Abbott;
    30 Newspolls in a row against Malcolm Turnbull.

    I think that would make him officially Australia’s most effective Leader Of The Opposition.

  4. From Dr KB’s site:
    including the non-consecutive ones they will have lost 69, won 13 and tied 7 since coming to office in September 2013.

    What a record of achievement. I mean seriously has any government even come close in almost two terms? A couple of months where it took stupid people a while to work out each of the two PM’s was a clown and three and a bit years of wishing they’d just fuck off.

  5. So Turnbull has a small rise to confound some of the pundits. He seems to be on the right track now. He will be relieved he is on the upswing. Now the spotlight will turn on to Shorten and his lack of popularity. Why has he been unable to match Turnbull in popularity when the Labor vote is better tham the Libs???

  6. Primaries:Coalition 38, Labor 37, Greens 10, One Nation 7
    Turnbull: Satisfied 32, Dissatisfied 57
    Shorten: Satisfied 32, Dissatisfied 57
    Better PM Turnbull 38, Shorten 36

    They are horrible figures for turnbull, but not that crash hot for labor, and enough for the libs to stick with Turnbull. There’s 8% ‘other and undecided’. History tells us that labor needs >52% TPP Newspolls right up to the election to win. the gov has the budget to bring down and a media that still likes turnbull. I wish someone other than shorten was leader. I think he can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    I reckon turnbull could try an election pitch that said “the only way I can govern the way you want me to is if I have a strong majority. Give that to me, and I will not be beholden to minorities outside and within my government. Give that to me and I will have stronger policies on climate change; I will call a parliamentary college to draft a referendum on the republic; and….( I was wrong, there is no third point other than ‘cut taxes to those who aren’t in need, and cut services to those who are)”. Shorten has far better policies and team talent, but he’s still a liability.

    April 5-8

  9. It will need more than one Newspoll for the Libs to pull anything back.Jobs n growth bullshit and giving tax to big companies are not going to do it.

  12. I see The Australian is trying to make a silk purse out of a feral pig’s ear.

    I do not know why they bother. They can no more cover this milestone up than a handkerchief over an elephant crap.

  15. So the text of the ungracious egomaniac when citing 30 negative Newspolls as his reason to challenge Abbott and describe Abbott and his administration as he did with his blistering Solicitor speak is the subject of a media report

    Turnbull’s entire public life has been about the ambition of Mr and Mrs Turnbull

    Witness the Republic Referendum, his time as Opposition Leader including Gretch and his petulance at the last election result which was instructive

    In the meantime the impacts of the most effective form of regulation being self regulation in a privatised market place underpinning trickle down economics to the benefit of the demographic which do benefit from those settings continues to blight Australian society producing the economic data releases we continue to see and resulting in the RBA maintaining an accommodative bias – and the RBA promoting wage increases because history is the RBA and those States which are investing in infrastructure can not turn the economic SS Titanic by themselves

    Instead this government peddle tax cuts and a demographic receiving remittances from the ATO when they have remitted no tax in the first instance

    All whilst attacking welfare recipients including partly self funded retirees who no longer receive the pension supports including concessions they once received

    As with Howard you can only divide the Nation so far before the result is what awaited Howard – no matter the offer of tax cuts

  16. It will need more than one Newspoll for the Libs to pull anything back.Jobs n growth bullshit and giving tax to big companies are not going to do it.

    They haven’t pulled back shit. There is nothing here that isn’t best explained by natural polling variation. Back to the 53 that has been the norm for a year now is the most likely next poll result. Barnyard couldn’t move the polls FFS. It’s just locked in.

  18. Ockerguy

    But good part is Bill Shorten only 2 points behind in PPM according to Simon Benson of the Australian

    So don’t “worry” too much will You!

  20. (To the tune of There ain’t no mountain high enough)

    There ain’t no mattress soft enough, no sheets silky enough, no pillows feathered enough, no brandy fine enough,
    To give Turnbull a good night’s sleep tonight.

  21. SusFuture – Trumble’s pitch would have to say ““the only way I can govern the way you want me to is if I have a strong majority – and if you vote for my party’s moderate candidates but chuck the nutters out and still somehow give me a majority”. He’s not going to say that, and the voters are not going to do it. The deadlock between the mods and the nutters is now a permanent feature of the “party”. They just can’t govern any more. Vote them out!

  22. Ockerguy 10.32 pm

    But good part is Bill Shorten only 2 points behind in PPM according to Simon Benson of the Australian

    So don’t “worry” too much will You!

  23. 52-48 probably means Turnbull survives and I think thats what the public want.They want to vote Turnbull out and not some other clown when it comes to the election.

  24. There would be mass hysteria…

    Jeff Tiedrich
    Jeff Tiedrich
    @jefftiedrich
    imagine if Hillary owned a gaudy tower in NYC and never installed sprinklers and there was a fire and someone died. Fox News would be losing its mind. Hannity would be shitting roofing nails. Congressmen would be falling all over each other in a mad dash to hold

  25. Why does The Oz gild the lily?

    The (ever declining) readership is largely made up of Tory voters so they are served up what they want to read.

    Last thing they want over Monday morning breakfast is news that they party is toast.

  28. Dan Gulberry says:
    Monday, April 9, 2018 at 5:24 am
    OK. We’re back up and running.

    ________________

    Poor choice of a night to go offline!

  31. Morning all. 30 in a row, congratulations Malcolm! At last, an achievement of sorts, besides ME, which must have looked an own goal to conservatives.

    Hilarious that people raise talk of LOTO leadership when the PM has lost 30 polls straight.

  33. Fraud charges are expected to be laid against one of Queensland’s biggest cotton irrigators, John Norman, within a matter of weeks.

    If the trial of the owner-operator of Norman Farming, and former “cotton farmer of the year” goes ahead, it is likely to draw attention to the links between the irrigator’s family and that of the federal minister for agriculture and water resources, David Littleproud.

    If the charges are laid, they will also throw the spotlight on the Queensland government’s failure in administering a key plank of the $13bn Murray-Darling basin plan, how it withheld critical information about the alleged crimes, and how it raises queries as to whether it lied about its own investigation.

    …
    For the rural town of Goondiwindi, the Healthy Headwaters grants, which began in 2012, were a windfall. Money flowed for at least eight separate multimillion-dollar government-approved and funded projects. “It’s given a lot of local contractors a load of work,” says Lamey, Norman’s neighbour. “Surveying, earthmoving, mechanics, fuel provision. Everyone’s been happy.”

    But if the money didn’t pay for the intended water-efficiency projects, how was it spent?

    Many people downstream want to know.

    Over the past six years Norman sought funding for 15 Healthy Headwaters projects and received approval for 10. He was awarded more commonwealth funds than any other Queensland irrigator, approximately a sixth of the program’s expenditure. Put up for sale a month before last year’s police raids, the his “$100m-plus” operation boasts that “no expense has been spared on development” in its marketing pitch.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/09/one-of-queenslands-largest-irrigators-expected-to-be-charged-with

  35. Would you like fries with that?

    chlorine-washed chickens, hormone-treated beef, meat from animals fed on chicken faeces and crops washed with controversial herbicide chemicals.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-theresa-may-us-uk-eu-chlorine-chicken-food-safety-standards-poll-a8292496.html

    The British public are overwhelmingly willing to ditch plans for a post-Brexit trade deal with the United States in order to protect the UK’s high food safety standards, new polling seen by The Independent shows.

    The finding amounts to a public vote of no confidence in Theresa May’s Brexit trade strategy, which aims to paper-over a potential hit to EU commerce by having “global Britain” sign deals with other countries around the world – the richest of which is the US.

    American trade negotiators are expected to demand Britain opens its markets to US foodstuffs that are currently illegal under EU rules as the price of a free trade agreement. Practices banned in the EU but currently widespread in the US including chlorine-washed chickens, hormone-treated beef, meat from animals fed on chicken faeces and crops washed with controversial herbicide chemicals.

    A recent US trade department appraisal of EU safety regulations complained of “costly and burdensome” stipulations in European regulations on meat and described aspects of the EU’s regulations on the use of chemicals as “simply unnecessary”.

    When asked whether ditching current standards would be a price worth paying for a deal, a full 82 per cent of the public said keeping current regulations in place should take priority – even if they killed a deal – compared to just 8 per cent who said a free trade agreement with the US should go ahead.

  37. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has recommended that the NBN Co, the company rolling out Australia’s national broadband network, be split into two entities before it is privatised after the rollout ends.

    The suggestion was one of eight recommendations made by the competition watchdog in its final report on the communication sector which was released on Thursday.

    It said that while the government should begin to plan for future NBN Co privatisation, it should ensure that measures were in place to enable a split that would facilitate greater competition based on infrastructure.

    https://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/82352-split-up-nbn-co-before-rollout-ends-accc.html

  38. #Newspoll Preferred LIB Leader: Turnbull 28 (-2) Bishop 27 (+1) Abbott 13 (0) Dutton 9 (+2) #auspol

    These are dreadful numbers for Mr HarbourSide Mansion. And the 22 combined for the Abbott/Dutton loon wing is enough to put some lead in their pencil.

    28 – Turnbull
    49 – Bishop/Abbott/Dutton
    23 – Don’t Know/Don’t Care

    And why has ScoMo been left off as a choice?

  39. Further to my 6.10 post, I wonder if we will see any legal prosecution of alleged water thefts and fraud in NSW? The amounts are far larger. Gladys?

  41. Good morning Dawn Patrollers. Quite varied fare today.

    Here’s Tony Wright’s take on Newspoll 30.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-sound-and-the-fury-of-30-newspoll-losses-20180408-p4z8fe.html
    Pontificating Paul Kelly says the election’s there to be won by Turnbull.
    https://outline.com/r2GFcm
    And PvO says Turnbull still has time.
    https://outline.com/x92W7V
    But Simon Benson is of the view that the Coalition party room is a divided cabal torn between hope and despair and rendered immobile as it convulses over its future. A miserable mob with np hope, he says.
    https://outline.com/eDcqMZ
    Michelle Grattan has something to say about Newspoll 30.
    https://theconversation.com/government-loses-30th-consecutive-newspoll-despite-slight-improvement-94639
    Richo tells us how the efforts of the Liberals to spin their way out of this Newspoll-led embarrassment have been going on for months.
    https://outline.com/YHBaa3
    Katharine Murphy reckons the government’s habit of self-destruction seems so ingrained it’s hard to see them shifting
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/08/hard-times-have-come-for-coalition-and-nothing-will-change
    Urban Wronski headlines with “Tony Abbott’s great big backward slow bicycle race to nowhere.”
    https://urbanwronski.com/2018/04/08/tony-abbotts-great-big-backward-slow-bicycle-race-to-nowhere/
    Dennis Shanahan says that Turnbull has to change in order to survive.
    https://outline.com/jMDxH7
    Here’s my take.
    https://www.optimizely.com/anz/optimization-glossary/type-1-error/
    Charles Purcell says it’s time to stop running Australia like it’s an episode of Game Of Thrones.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/it-s-time-to-stop-running-australia-like-it-s-an-episode-of-game-of-thrones-20180408-p4z8es.html
    Amanda Vanstone tells us to stop thinking about Abbott who doesn’t hold a candle to Turnbull. She clearly doesn’t have any time for Abbott.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/face-it-malcolm-turnbull-is-streets-ahead-of-tony-abbott-20180408-p4z8g0.html
    Jess Irvine reckons Turnbull would be wrong to give us tax cuts in the budget.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/turnbull-is-wrong-to-give-us-tax-cuts-in-the-budget-20180408-p4z8dl.html
    Why we must vaccinate for flu at the right time.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-know-what-flu-can-do-and-why-we-must-vaccinate-at-the-right-time-20180408-p4z8dh.html
    Tony Abbott insists he is not about to challenge Malcolm Turnbull for the prime ministership, saying the last thing he wants is instability in the government. That’s not how it looks, Tone!
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/we-shouldnt-dwell-on-the-past-tony-abbott-20180408-h0yhxr.html
    A freeze in negotiations between the Trump administration and China over an escalating trade conflict has skittish investors around the world bracing for months of potential volatility after another sell-off on Wall Street.
    https://outline.com/yGDDR5
    Michael West writes that the Australian Tax Office has just introduced a pilot plan which is a big worry. It has begun to outsource its debt recovery to external law firms so those who owe money will also pick up a hefty legal bill.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/tax-office-puts-foxes-in-charge-of-henhouse-again-for-small-business/
    It seems the elite will be the winners when it comes to Sydney’s new stadia.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/premium-seats-could-double-at-new-sydney-stadium-documents-20180408-p4z8er.html
    Unions will campaign ahead of this year’s state election for the Andrews government to make ‘wage theft’ a crime and punishable by up to 10 years in jail.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/victoria/push-to-jail-employers-for-up-to-10-years-for-wage-theft-20180407-p4z8ap.html
    Australia’s consumer watchdog claims to have proof that 5G internet will be powerful enough to allow smartphones to compete with home internet connections by the year 2020.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2018/04/08/5g-nbn-accc/
    Professor Andrew Hopkins writes that the Nationals should support carbon farming, not coal.
    https://theconversation.com/the-nationals-should-support-carbon-farming-not-coal-94112
    The Turnbull government is pushing for a deal with Washington that would let Australian police take a warrant directly to US tech companies and quickly access a suspected criminal’s data.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/police-could-access-us-cloud-data-under-planned-crime-fighting-deal-20180407-p4z8c0.html
    The Age editorial wonders who is watching the tax collectors.
    https://www.smh.com.au/money/tax/who-is-watching-the-tax-collectors-20180408-p4z8dm.html
    The Turnbull government’s National Energy Guarantee could help deliver increased investment in a fleet of mid-life coal-fired power stations.
    https://outline.com/yGDDR5
    News Corporation is struggling to mount a legal defence to its allegations against actor Geoffrey Rush. And then there’s the chilling effect on the #metoo campaign. Hannah Marshall from Marque Lawyers breaks it down.
    https://newmatilda.com/2018/04/08/rushing-judgement-daily-telegraph-versus-geoffrey-rush-explained/
    Hooray!!! One of Queensland’s largest irrigators is expected to be charged with fraud within weeks.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/09/one-of-queenslands-largest-irrigators-expected-to-be-charged-with
    Telstra has unveiled a plan to ameliorate consumers’ NBN woes.
    https://outline.com/r2GFcm
    A new study of the Jewish community in Australia has revealed a dramatically lower rate of support for Israel and Zionism.
    https://newmatilda.com/2018/04/08/days-blind-support-israel-among-australian-jews/
    The events of last week show News Corp Australia is playing hard ball with Cricket Australia officials who are trying not to be distracted by the fallout from the ball tampering scandal in South Africa.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/news-corp-plays-hardball-as-tensions-rise-in-battle-for-cricket-20180408-p4z8ew.html
    Almost all city train lines are more delayed now than they were 20 years ago, official data shows. Melbourne’s roads and public transport system are struggling to keep up with a population boom that has seen around 1 million people added to the city since 2006. On the Metro Trains system, a huge increase in patronage has created significant overcrowding during peak periods and increased “dwell times” – the time taken for people to get on and off at stations.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-s-booming-population-takes-its-toll-on-city-s-trains-20180330-p4z72b.html
    Australia will reach a record $230 billion in energy exports this financial year driven by an LNG and oil boom.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/lng-to-drive-record-230b-in-energy-exports-20180406-p4z88n.html
    High-profile barrister Charles Waterstreet has declared bankruptcy, casting doubt on his ability to continue practising at the Sydney Bar.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/charles-waterstreet-s-future-as-barrister-in-doubt-as-he-declares-bankruptcy-20180406-p4z888.html

    Cartoon Corner (Where is Matt Golding?)

    David Rowe loves bedroom scenes. And look at Monash on the wall.

    Mark David has gone troppo and has given us six contributions today.






    Glen Le Lievre serves up breakfast for Malcolm.
    https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/982953568490504192
    Jon Kudelka with a little beauty!
    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b79dc083af8f7d1f7e2d065f4196c8ac
    Sean Leahy on comebacks.

    A few more in here.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/best-of-fairfax-cartoons-april-9-2018-20180408-h0yhu3.html

  42. Trump fought fire legislation and refused to install sprinklers on residential floors of Trump Tower

    President Donald Trump lobbied not to have sprinklers installed on the residential floors of his New York properties.

    After one person died in a fire at Trump Tower on Saturday, CBS News noted that Trump had not fought against legislation to require sprinklers in residential skyscrapers.

    The New York Times reported in 1999 that Trump opposed the legislation, claiming that he could not afford to put sprinklers in his buildings

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/trump-fought-fire-legislation-refused-install-sprinklers-residential-floors-trump-tower/

  43. ‘Take that down!’: Fox host Howard Kurtz panic after graphic shows Fox News is least trusted network

    In what was undoubtedly a painful moment on Fox News this morning, media analyst Howard Kurtz frantically implored his producer to take down a graphic that showed Fox is the least trusted of the big three cable networks.

    “Speaking of fake news, there is a new poll out from Monmouth University.’Do the media report fake news regularly or occasionally?’ 77 percent say yes,” Kurtz exclaimed before noticing the graphic instead showed “Who do you trust more?” with CNN at 48 percent, MSNBC at 45 percent and Fox News bring up the rear at 30 percent.

    “That is not the graphic we are looking for. Hold off,” the Fox News host protested before pleading, “Take that down, please.”

    But too late.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/take-watch-fox-host-howard-kurtz-panic-graphic-shows-fox-news-least-trusted-network/

  44. Oh, for god’s sake! Trump is getting the ‘Coalition of the Willing’ back together again!

    Except, this time it’s going to be to go to war against China. Trade War. And yes, Australia has already signed up to take part.

    Apparently this is the way Trump is going to bring China to heel. Use the economic might of a gaggle of countries against China to bring it to heel, correctly value the Renminbi, stop it ripping off copyright and patented products, and whatever else is roiling his tiny mind.

    Do I think Turnbull will use this as his Black Swan event? You bet I do!

  45. Im starting to think they are more likely to switch to Bishop prior to going to an election.

    Even if Turnbull is the most popular leader, if they stick with him, and a team that is expected to lose, things will only deteriorate, they have to look like they have a plan to win to ‘motivate the troops’.

    I think Bishop would be a flawed leader, but so is Barnaby, and they made him Deputy PM.

    The strength of Bishop, is she could be a symbol of change, the first female PM of the Liberal party, she would surely win back some of the female vote, which has been a weakness for the LNP for a long time. It could help them across the board, its hard to see any other strategy that could cut through in marginal seats than that.

    The votes she would lose from conservatives who dont want a woman in charge would come back as preferences.

  46. bug1 @ #95 Monday, April 9th, 2018 – 5:22 am

    Im starting to think they are more likely to switch to Bishop prior to going to an election.

    Even if Turnbull is the most popular leader, if they stick with him, and a team that is expected to lose, things will only deteriorate, they have to look like they have a plan to win to ‘motivate the troops’.

    I think Bishop would be a flawed leader, but so is Barnaby, and they made him Deputy PM.

    The strength of Bishop, is she could be a symbol of change, the first female PM of the Liberal party, she would surely win back some of the female vote, which has been a weakness for the LNP for a long time. It could help them across the board, its hard to see any other strategy that could cut through in marginal seats than that.

    The votes she would lose from conservatives who dont want a woman in charge would come back as preferences.

    The fatal flaw in that plan is that it would well and truly expose Bishop for the lightweight she is. There’s a very good reason she hasn’t been given, nor has she wanted any ministry other than one where she gets to swan around the world attending celebrity events. In every other role she’s been tried she has failed. She could never survive being under that big a spotlight.

  48. Yea i know she is flawed, but you would think she has learnt something about managing her weaknesses after being deputy leaders for so long.

    She would have to be a different style of leader than we a used to. She would have to keep her hands clean and push responsibilities onto others. It might work for long enough to get to a quick election.

  50. Morning bludgers

    C@t

    China has cornered the world market with respect to trading of goods.

    Trade deficit is not an issue per say. The real issue is the amount of money and bonds owed to China by the USA. If China wanted to call it in, the USA would be stuffed. Does Trump even get that?!

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