In a week where only Essential Research reported a national voting intention result, BludgerTrack records a tick to Labor – although it’s actually due to me finally being able to add last fortnight’s ReachTEL to the mix, for which I hadn’t previously been able to get full primary vote numbers, and which was actually a bit of a shocker for the Coalition by the pollster’s standards. As for the state breakdowns, all I can really offer at the moment is apologies for how screwy the Queensland numbers are looking. Whether because of state election static, or simply a freakish accumlation of outliers over a very short period, six of the last seven results I have from Queensland have the Coalition primary vote at 30% or below, compared with 43.2% at the 2016 election. It will be interesting to see what we get from the Newspoll quarterly aggregation, which should be along in a week or two. Essential had its montly leadership ratings this week, which have givenn Malcolm Turnbull a bit of a lift. Full results on the sidebar.
Yes everyone lower your standards because the neo-libs want you to !
Thought I was going to choke on my own vomit listening to the ABC TV news …Malcolm oh Malcolm oh joy of joys it’s Malcolm come see everybody Malcolm is here Malcolm is beaming Malcolm is going to be Prime minister for ever oh happy day……..F.M.D.
Thanks for the background to secondary boycotts legislation, Briefly.
Very valuable.
Maude:
I know and I understand what you were saying.
I just don’t engage. Even ESJ can’t tempt me to respond to her comments no matter how frequently or intensively she tries trolling!
Labor can’t afford to p$ss off the SDA too much because it bankrolls State and federal Labor electoral campaigns to the tune of millions of dollars.
Good evening all,
Interesting comment today by Tony Burke re the Sam Dastyari issue.
He stated that as a result of Dastyari being hounded out of Parliament by the government without being convicted or even charged with a crime all bets were now off and the situation had forever changed.
I am wondering whether labor will announce in the new year its formal support for a federal style ICAC on the back of the Dastyari resignation to ensure matters such as his were subject to independent investigation to remove partisanship and restore trust in the political system.
Just a thought.
Cheers.
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(May be paywlled)
WeWantPaul, Diogenes, Confessions, C@tmomma, I just wanted to say thank you 🙂 If there was a way to “like” comments I would have done so!
For what it’s worth:
Simon Banks
@SimonBanksHB
22h22 hours ago
Swing at #BennelongVotes is:
Primary -6.2%
2PP -5.6%
Average swing against LNP Govts at by-elections since 1949 is:
Primary -4.8% (-1.4%)
2PP -3.4% (-2.4%)
Average swing against all Govts:
Primary -5.7% (-0.5%)
2PP 4.0% (-1.6%)
So both swings above average
ALP primary +7.6%
Pegasus @ #533 Sunday, December 17th, 2017 – 4:22 pm
I never said the SDA was great at securing workers rights but that they did the best they could under very difficult circumstnaces.
As in all other matters Left, there is nobody on the left who is even close to being as impotent as the pure Greens so it is no surprise to me to see a Green criticising the actions of a union who has spent decades representing some of our weakest workers in their fight for pay and conditions against some of our countries’ most powerful corporations.
I have no idea who is behind the RFFWU, though at a first pass they are badly in need of a halfway decent copywriter and graphic designer for their website, which is a shocker.
My best guess is a group of stooges and chancers who are so stupid they don’t realise (or don’t care) they are being used by Big Retail and Big Fast Food to undermine the cause of the SDA and others in the trade union movement who do the actual heavy lifting associated with representing the weakest in our workforce.
So go ahead, do what the Greens do best, join and enable those who seek only to undermine those who genuinely represent the Left.
According to 9 ‘news’ Malcolm delivered ME.
The truth however shows that Dean Smith delivered SSM with exemptions for religious practitioners.
Malcolm delivered nothing…. and there is no such thing as ME.
US Trump …
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-un-inequality-poverty-envoy-world-champion-a8113591.html
Grimace,
What a testy response but thanks anyway.
It’s clear from its web site who runs it, etc.
An unaffiliated union, independent of any political party, run by workers for the workers.
Tony Burke should be honest and admit Bill Shorten is an electoral drag, rather thanusing Dastyari as an excuse.
Confessions @ #537 Sunday, December 17th, 2017 – 4:27 pm
Very little actual rain, it’s looked very threatening all day though.
Luci:
You may find this interesting. I esp love his call for men to recognise their male privilege in all its forms (further in the article).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/all-men-should-be-facing-the-mirror-on-sexual-harassment/2017/12/14/faa9dda4-e0fa-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html?utm_term=.1244aa0a11ed
Luci
My wife works as a mediator between divorcing couples and I hear a lot of horror stories about abusive, stalking male partners and I used to see women who had facial injuries inflicted on them my their partner so I know how pervasive and serious the problem is.
Charles
” (Labor) laid the foundations for the whole IPA project so as far as I am concerned guilty as charged”
Well, no they didn’t.
The IPA was a Keith Murdoch creation in 1947.
It became the policy unit of the Liberal Party.
Nothing to do with Labor – Nothing.
Pegasus says:
Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:42 pm
…..the SDA … bankrolls State and federal Labor electoral campaigns to the tune of millions of dollars.
….for which the SDA and other unions will never be forgiven by the Gs or LNP. Really, if the Gs actually gave a toss about working people they would fold and join Labor.
Yes Labor has ceased being a cause and is now just a business for ambitious ñetworkers.
The Pope calling fake news a grievous sin is a bit rich from someone who celebrates a virgin giving birth to a god who died but came back to life and went back to his father god up through the sky body intact on a Thursday.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/17/pope-francis-fake-and-sensationalised-news-a-very-serious-sin
Pegasus @ #563 Sunday, December 17th, 2017 – 4:50 pm
I’ve just read the profile page of the committee (http://www.raffwu.org.au/our_team) and the best I say about them is that they are a well-meaning group of bumlers who’d get torn apart by IR negotiating team of Big Retail and Big Fast Food.
ctar1 –
Google found my posts.
This one that you very selectively quoted from:
https://www.pollbludger.net/2017/12/08/bludgertrack-53-7-46-3-labor-2/comment-page-10/#comment-2697788
Which was specifically in the context of Al Franken’s fall from grace and whether he had redeemed himself for his earlier indiscretions, and I did draw a distinction between offences worthy of jail time and those where consequences at work are sufficient, which I think is a very important distinction that frequently gets lost in this discussion because to date (Weinstein may yet prove the exception of course), no one has been charged or locked up or whatever. Careers have been ended, for sure, and that is very serious (although the list of accused doesn’t as far as I know include anyone who will suffer real poverty as a result).
The other comment I made was an earlier general comment on the post-Weinstein era with respect to standards of justice. I don’t expect everyone to keep track of everything I say, and it wasn’t in the context of that Al Franken one you quoted – each comment should stand on its own (although obviously in the context of the discussion at hand).
https://www.pollbludger.net/2017/11/28/essential-research-54-46-labor-18/comment-page-5/#comment-2689896
I stand by both in their entirety, in the relevant conversational context.
I’d prefer not to be casually likened to Pol Pot. Do you stand by that comparison?
briefly @ #569 Sunday, December 17th, 2017 – 4:54 pm
If they really cared about working people then they’d have to get their hands dirty. And in getting their hands dirty they’d lose their purity as a result of having to make compromises.
Loss of purity would never be stood for within the greens.
ItzaDream says:
Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:00 pm
The Pope calling fake news a grievous sin is a bit rich from someone who celebrates a virgin giving birth to a god who died but came back to life and went back to his father god up through the sky body intact on a Thursday.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/17/pope-francis-fake-and-sensationalised-news-a-very-serious-sin
Good point.
OK Pegasus, do tell what the Retail and Fast Food Workers Union has achieved for it’s members since 2016? How many members do they have? How many workplaces are they in? How many negotiations are they involved in with Employer groups right now?
Or are they just a rump of malcontents, like you, disgruntled because their Union didn’t achieve 100% of what they thought they were entitled to?
And I mean, really, the Labor government didn’t get rid of the ABCC quick enough!?! They dealt with the Senate they had, they dealt with the GFC first, but you had a hissy fit and walked away from the ALP, after all Greg Combet, the ACTU, and Labor did to defeat WorkChoices and Howard!?!
Pegasus, The Greens can have you. Labor are better off without fair-weather friends like you.
Btw, I don’t think I remember you congratulating Labor for getting rid of the ABCC head, Nigel Hadgkiss. Your beloved Greens didn’t achieve that. You going to walk away from them now? No, I didn’t think so.
jackol
If your offended I withdraw the suggestion. OK?
grimace says:
Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:04 pm
briefly @ #569 Sunday, December 17th, 2017 – 4:54 pm
Pegasus says:
Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:42 pm
…..the SDA … bankrolls State and federal Labor electoral campaigns to the tune of millions of dollars.
….for which the SDA and other unions will never be forgiven by the Gs or LNP. Really, if the Gs actually gave a toss about working people they would fold and join Labor.
If they really cared about working people then they’d have to get their hands dirty. And in getting their hands dirty they’d lose their purity as a result of having to make compromises.
Loss of purity would never be stood for within the greens.
The beacon shines brightly in Swan Hills, g. 🙂
Oh dear….go directly to Hell, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
Hey! It’s raining in Perth!
\( ö )/
Somehow I don’t think Turnbull, Pyne and co could be so stupid – given the trend in S44 by elections so far, and the 5% swing against the Government in Bennelong. Surely not?
“Federal Labor faces byelections in up to four of its seats next year after the government’s victory in Bennelong gave it the numbers to refer suspect opposition MPs to the High Court.
The government said if Labor resisted, it would use its restored majority on the floor of the House to refer MPs Susan Lamb, Justine Keay and Josh Wilson, as well as the NXT’s Rebekha Sharkie. The fourth Labor MP, David Feeney, has already been referred.
“Our first preference is for Bill Shorten to do the right thing and refer his own MPs,” manager of government business, Christopher Pyne told The Australian Financial Review.
“In the absence of that…we will refer any MP with a serious case to answer.”
“
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/govt-will-refer-labor-mps-to-the-high-court-after-bennelong-win-20171216-h05ykq#ixzz51VY9KIoI
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Ad hominems and straw men – not much of a rational rebuttal.
Cognitive dissonance is blinding.
Status quo is right; status quo rules!
Anyway, time to go. Have a good night.
It’s not raining in Perth any more.
Typical. >_<
There’s been a few ‘test your prejudices’ posts on facebook along these lines:
A: It’s getting so that you can’t compliment a woman on her looks anymore.
B: Did I ever tell you what beautiful eyes you have?
A: Um, you’re a guy. Guys don’t say things like that to each other.
B: So why do guys say things like that to women, then?
If Malcolm Turnbull refers the 3 ALPs and Rebekah Sharkie, it will be yet another poor judgment call.
I think Sharkie in particular will romp in on the sympathy vote
And it’s a bit rich to criticise the unions for funding Labor. Labor was formed to represent them.
And the unions formed a political party precisely because they realised that other forms of action were taking too long to achieve the desired outcomes.
It’s also why the Greens were formed – out of frustration about the progress of environmental issues, and the realisation that political involvement was needed to advance them.
C@t:
😆
Scattered showers in other words!
Pegasus,
Typical lack of seriously argued rebuttal. Don’t answer valid questions. Just throw around some words you learned in your Arts course. Then run away.
Gutless.
sprocket
Turnbull capable of this.
He’s trashed his own brand so badly that it probably doesn’t matter to him any more.
TPOF @ #496 Sunday, December 17th, 2017 – 6:20 pm
So please share your wisdom and the other information on which it is based?
Was there anything worth watching on ‘Insiders’ this morning?
sprocket:
Very good.
CTar:
Burke was good on Insiders. But apart from that, just run of the mill.
The format is getting tired and needs a refresh.
We’ve got a guy, the “Paedo Hunter”, in SA who has now arrested two people in three days for paedophilia on line grooming. Both have been charged by the police but what if the police say he got it wrong. Would he be charged with assault/deprivation of liberty etc? What’s the legal status of a citizen’s arrest?
“A MAN has been charged with grooming a 14-year-old girl online after a vigilante set up his second filmed sting in a week.
The vigilante, who has dubbed himself the “Adelaide Pedo Hunter”, executed the citizen’s arrest of a 28-year-old man, who was later charged with procuring a child to commit an indecent act.”
Rain has returned to the WACA and play in the cricket has been abandoned for the day.
#cricketonPB
‘fess – Tks. The 3 ‘journo’s on not exactly my favorites so I gave it a ‘skip’. I got it recorded so maybe I’ll fast-forward and check out the Burke bit.
The IPA brand of whig liberalim was a fringe player in Australian politics until Hawke and Keating began implementing their manifesto for them.
Who floated the dollar, wound back industry protection started the privatisation mania,cut the top rate of income tax and introduced enterprise bargaining.
Please tell me how the policy settings of the Hawke Keating government varied from those of the Thatcher government.?
Now that we’re talking about workers and unions, I’ll repeat the question I asked the other night.
Hopefully one of the armchair lawyers here can answer this question:
“Is paid suspension pending disciplinary investigation classed as ‘service’?”
Given that:
* The employee is “innocent until proven guilty” by the investigation (on balance of probabilities)
* Annual leave, Long service leave and sick leave are accrued as if the employee is carrying out normal duties in the workplace,
* The employee is at complete management direction during paid suspension,
* The employee is required to attend all meetings and answer all correspondence pursuant to the investigation, on pain of additional discipline for disobeying a management direction,
* The employee is paid for 38 hours service, but is rostered to work 40 hours, thus accruing an excess of 2 hours service per week.
Over the course of the usualmonth or so of paid suspension, the accrual of the excess 2 hours per week is a trivial thing. But multiply this by 22 months, where during the entire period the employee – at management’s sole discretion – is not able to take any leave, have a holiday or even a day away from being at management disposal, and then what would you say?