BludgerTrack: 53.7-46.3 to Labor

Last week’s poll aggregate spike to Labor washes out after some better results for the Coalition.

First up, note that there are new posts below this one the near-finalisation of the Queensland election result, and the Tasmanian state poll from EMRS.

With three new polls added this week, the latest reading of BludgerTrack suggests last week’s surge to Labor to have been an aberration. However, the seat tally has wigged out this week, with both Ipsos and Essential recording particularly bad results for the Coalition from highly sensitive Queensland, and Ipsos producing a profoundly off-trend 57-43 lead to the Coalition in Western Australia. These results respectively cause Labor to gain four seats, and lose five – maybe the Queensland result reflects the impact of the state election, but I think you can take it for granted that the Liberal gain in Western Australia will wash out over the coming weeks.

Newspoll and Ipsos both produced new data on leadership ratings, but the trend measures here haven’t changed much. A further footnote from the Ipsos poll: the respondent-allocated two-party preferred result was 52-48, compared with a headline figure of 53-47, which is the best result the Coalition has had from anyone other than YouGov for a while.

As always, full results on the sidebar.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Compare and contrast:
    Michael Berkman ( the new Greens member for Maiwar)
    – environmental lawyer and scientist (a dual degree Bachelor of Science (Environment)/Bachelor of Laws.)
    – worked in the Environmental Defenders office, protecting groundwater, anti-Adani etc
    defeated Liberal Scott Emerson:
    – former Queensland bureau chief for Rupert’s Rag
    – publicist and media relations – Crook Publicity – yes, that’s really the name of the firm
    – Newman Minister for Roads

    Somehow I think Queensland and the environment will be better off.

  2. CNBC has been reporting that Disney has held talks with the Rupert Murdoch-controlled media company to acquire its studio and television production assets, leaving Fox with its news and sports assets. Fox is also talking with CNBC parent company Comcast, but the talks with Disney have progressed more significantly.
    The deal contemplates the sale of Fox’s Nat Geo, Star, regional sports networks, movie studios and stakes in Sky and Hulu, among other properties. What would remain at Fox includes its news and business news divisions, broadcast network and Fox sports.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/05/disney-and-fox-are-closing-in-on-deal-could-be-announced-next-week–sources.html

  3. Does Eddie Obeid still have a vote in Bennelong or does he lose it because he is currently residing in the Big House? Can’t remember what applies to cons.

  4. Kayjay

    oops left this link out,
    http://www.carersact.org.au/how-can-we-help/programs/kfc/

    And this is an online course for carers to help them adjust to their role, answer questions, and give information, from the Carers website.
    http://www.foundationsforcarers.org.au/interactive/main.htm

    Maybe ladies visiting can be encouraged to ignore the house and focus on person, and be asked not to try to ‘help’ by making suggestions etc. Just ignore the mess and talk about something else. 🙂

  5. Bushfire. Bill @ #449 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 8:32 pm

    BW, I don’t think Franken was that bad.

    From what I read he acted obnoxiously a few to rs, many years ago, and has by now redeemed himself.

    If you applied the “Marist Brothers” test to everything and everyone we’d all of us be on a one lane highway to Hell.

    None of us knows how we’d react to the many situations Franken must have encountered. Maybe we wouldn’t be so pure about his behaviour if wd’d been offered the same temptations and opportunities for mischief as Franken experienced.

    I’m no saint and not at all religious, but I can appreciate Christ’s invitation to forgive repentant sinners, lest we end up having to judge ourselves just as harshly.

    This post indicates there is a lot more education needed re sexual harassment.

  6. People do deserve second chances when they honestly express regret and actually change their behaviour.

    However, in the current climate there is no room for nuance, and the process of cultural change is too important to get distracted or diverted. No one should be able to hide behind expressions of regret and (quite possibly empty) promises to be better in future.

    Hopefully we get to the point where bad behaviour has proportionate consequences in a reasonable timeframe, and with honesty people can redeem themselves and everyone involved can move on. The ‘proportionate consequences’ have clearly been lacking for a very long time so there cannot currently be a sense that the various accused men have ‘done their time’ (or equivalent – much of the lower-end bad behaviour should have been dealt with in terms of being disciplined at work and/or fired, rather than necessarily involving literal jail time as such).

    For now, though, there isn’t enough bandwidth to deal with the information coming out in a nuanced, fair way and everyone just has to weather the storm until we get to the point where civilized norms are established and people – victims and the accused- have faith in the various systems.

    Shame about Franken, though.

  7. Trog Sorrenson @ #451 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 8:34 pm

    Compare and contrast:
    Michael Berkman ( the new Greens member for Maiwar)
    – environmental lawyer and scientist (a dual degree Bachelor of Science (Environment)/Bachelor of Laws.)
    – worked in the Environmental Defenders office, protecting groundwater, anti-Adani etc
    defeated Liberal Scott Emerson:
    – former Queensland bureau chief for Rupert’s Rag
    – publicist and media relations – Crook Publicity – yes, that’s really the name of the firm
    – Newman Minister for Roads

    Somehow I think Queensland and the environment will be better off.

    Sadly those that hoard their partisan devotion to Lib/Lab will show their inner fear by attacking such a fine MP

  8. Rex Douglas @ #458 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 8:46 pm

    Trog Sorrenson @ #451 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 8:34 pm

    Compare and contrast:
    Michael Berkman ( the new Greens member for Maiwar)
    – environmental lawyer and scientist (a dual degree Bachelor of Science (Environment)/Bachelor of Laws.)
    – worked in the Environmental Defenders office, protecting groundwater, anti-Adani etc
    defeated Liberal Scott Emerson:
    – former Queensland bureau chief for Rupert’s Rag
    – publicist and media relations – Crook Publicity – yes, that’s really the name of the firm
    – Newman Minister for Roads

    Somehow I think Queensland and the environment will be better off.

    Sadly those that hoard their partisan devotion to Lib/Lab will show their inner fear by attacking such a fine MP

    No mention of the ALP candidate sunshine.
    No doubt they were a fine person too and could have represented the electorate in a ‘real’ government as opposed to a Greens fantasy.
    Sad.

  9. Rex D.
    Freaking shut up you bstard,
    Hoarding is serious mental health condition that causes distress to the people around the person with the illness and distress to the hoarders who understand and hate the mess they are in but cannot deal with it.

    You are a rotten piece of work by playing politics with this subject, especially when a a fellow bludger has consulted the collected PB wisdom for where to get help.

    But who is surprised? Your addition to the collected wisdom is like adding negative five to twenty.

    Go away before I bash your virtual keyboard over your virtual brain.

  10. bemused

    As for the present generation, words fail me.

    Ah yes. the words said about “the young people of today” by oldsters since Forever B.C. You are in illustrious company 😆

    “I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
    frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
    words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
    respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
    [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint” (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

    A bit of AD

    “The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of
    today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for
    parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as
    if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
    foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest
    and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress.”

    Who wrote that, and when do you think it was written?… it is an
    extract from a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274

  11. PuffyTMD @ #449 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 8:32 pm

    Kayjay,
    On thinking further on this, and I may be wrong mind you, it is the nephew who has reached out to you for support. You cannot help with the hoarding problem but your nephew sounds like he is doing some of the care for this lady. There are resources to help him be the helper. I stress he does not need to be getting any carer payments from Centrelink to qualify.

    One is Commonwealth Respite Care. This is to replace the things he does so he gets a break, housework, transporting, etc or could even be a short stay for the lady in respite care.
    He needs support and may even benefit from seeing a counsellor who can assist him with dealing with the stresses of helping a hoarder. His doctor may be able to help. Hoarding has negative effects on those trying to help, because it is so bloody frustrating. He does not have to be full time caring, just helping out like he does.
    Ok links, and he cares for a person with mental health and ageing conditions.
    http://www.carersact.org.au/how-can-we-help/programs/crcc/ info on gov’t respite.
    http://www.carersact.org.au/ register here as a carer for respite and carer programs, they often have programs for men. He may be able to get in touch with other male carers.
    Hoarding
    http://www.catholichealthcare.com.au/en/in-homecommunity/hoarding-and-squalor/
    https://www.australianageingagenda.com.au/2016/07/07/advice-encounter-hoarding/ which also mentions animal hoarding. It is a good article.

    I hope your nephew understand that he is dealing with a severe mental health problem, not a hoarding problem. She might be helped by medication and therapy to quote the article above.

    This is a program to meet other carers and to learn how to connect positively with the person with the mental health issues.

    Now this is a lot to put onto your nephew at once, so maybe a bit at a time. Focus on him getting help so he can get help for his relative, in a positive way?

    I hope some of this is helpful and gives you something to work on.
    *Big Squishy Hug* if I may?
    Puffy.

    Thank you for that.

    My nephew is trying to impose rational thinking on the situation with his mother.
    I have been getting around to moving in the direction of help for himself courtesy of, firstly, his GP.

    In regard to his mother I illustrate this as though she is surrounded by a force field that repels all attempts a controlling behaviour.

    We are aware of respite care and I have emailed him quite a lot of information that he could easily have obtained himself courtesy of Dr. Google.
    I have likened his situation to that of loved ones, friends, relatives of alcoholics and groups such as Alanon. Currently he is in a “poor me” situation, which if an alcoholic would be

    Poor me, poor me, pour me a drink.

    I guess I am hoping that my cousin, coming back from sporting events with her grandchildren will be able to jolly him a little into moving in some sort of positive way.
    The nephew until recently had no friends or relatives to talk to about his situation which is very unfortunate.
    I will continue to support him and keep trying to allow some light to shine on him. He keeps projecting himself into the future where marvelous or dire things will happen.
    Would that I could help him with the on day at a time program.
    We shall see. Tomorrow will be wonderful, particularly if I wake up and get out of bed.
    Back to the TV.
    I like a big squishy hug and the favourite grand daughter has taught me a routine where we stand close but not touching, maybe hold hands and kissy kiss left, right and left again. Lovely routing. Maybe mad but I love it and hope she does also.
    I have copied and saved your information and will bring it to my nephew’s attention as and when he appears receptive.
    Good night again.
    Effing NBN gone dead again. The second time this week. Maybe only for a few minutes.

  12. poroti @ #465 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 9:01 pm

    bemused

    As for the present generation, words fail me.

    Ah yes. the words said about “the young people of today” by oldsters since Forever B.C. You are in illustrious company 😆

    “I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
    frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
    words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
    respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
    [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint” (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

    A bit of AD

    “The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of
    today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for
    parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as
    if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
    foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest
    and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress.”

    Who wrote that, and when do you think it was written?… it is an
    extract from a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274

    You conveniently missed what I said about my generation.
    I remain in awe of the generation that went through the Great Depression and WWII.

  13. PuffyTMD (AnonBlock)
    Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 8:51 pm
    Comment #460

    Think peace or a favourite colour.

    I think Brown Bear would like you as much as he likes me.

    Goodnight all again. Watching “Endeavour” on TV again. Nothing like a nice murder to calm one.
    My dear wife got to love a nice murder also and the last story she listened to was “The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo”. Sadly unable to listen to the two other stories.
    Never mind. The sun also rises.

  14. Mikel Jollett‏Verified account @Mikel_Jollett
    17h17 hours ago
    Al Franken lost his senate seat.
    Harvey Weinstein lost his company.
    Anthony Weiner is in jail.

    Roy Moore is STILL the Republican candidate for Senate.
    Donald Trump is STILL the PRESIDENT.

    Don’t tell me there’s no difference between the parties.

  15. Troglodytes (cave/abri dwellers, often anatomically modern humans like you and me) and Neanderthals have had a bad press.

    Nothing wrong in living under the shelter of a rock overhang. There are many, many such houses in France now, and worth a tidy sum what is more.

    You get the back wall and most of the roof for free, and the thermal mass of the cliff face at the back of the house is very welcome in both summer and winter.

  16. bemused
    Ali King has surprisingly good environmental credentials as well, but she didn’t win.
    Hopefully Labor will have learnt that backing crap like Adani doesn’t work.
    An excellent example of Greens positive influence.

  17. bemused

    You conveniently missed what I said about my generation.
    I remain in awe of the generation that went through the Great Depression and WWII.

    You can guarantee that “oldies”back in the day lamented about the decadent ‘yoof’ that went on to “went through the Great Depression and WWII.”. It has happened forever.

  18. Kayjay @ 9.10pm

    My mother, now in her 90s, has always been a bit of a hoarder, though not on the scale of your sister-in-law. She didn’t like to throw things out for which “good money had been paid”, or which “might come in handy”. Eventually we hired off site storage, and managed to shift a lot of stuff out there, saying that it wasn’t being thrown away, just moved. (And in the course of the move, we threw out a lot of junk.) Incidentally, when decluttering it’s worth checking things like empty envelopes one by one, in case they have cash stashed in them.

  19. ‘Trog Sorrenson says:
    Friday, December 8, 2017 at 8:34 pm

    Compare and contrast:
    Michael Berkman ( the new Greens member for Maiwar)
    – environmental lawyer and scientist (a dual degree Bachelor of Science (Environment)/Bachelor of Laws.)
    – worked in the Environmental Defenders office, protecting groundwater, anti-Adani etc
    defeated Liberal Scott Emerson:
    – former Queensland bureau chief for Rupert’s Rag
    – publicist and media relations – Crook Publicity – yes, that’s really the name of the firm
    – Newman Minister for Roads

    Somehow I think Queensland and the environment will be better off.’

    Totally irrelevant and totally wasted on the Greens Party.

    A pity.

    If only he had been the candidate for Labor and if only he had been working internally on Labor environment policies….

  20. poroti:

    My baby boomer mother was a poster child of the 60s and 70s, turning up at every protest going around. My uncle wasn’t much better. Both, according to them caused my grandparents to tear their hair out lamenting the ‘youth of today!’ and some such.

    Each successive generation has always whinged about the next generation. This is highly unlikely to change.

  21. poroti @ #476 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 9:20 pm

    bemused

    You conveniently missed what I said about my generation.
    I remain in awe of the generation that went through the Great Depression and WWII.

    You can guarantee that “oldies”back in the day lamented about the decadent ‘yoof’ that went on to “went through the Great Depression and WWII.”. It has happened forever.

    Rubbish!
    Context free rubbish!

  22. bemused
    “We can do without the Greens”.
    You and right wing Labor ideologues might be able to do without them, but the environment and an economy in transition can’t.

  23. bemused

    FFS . What do you reckon people like you thought of the Flappers and the “Roaring Twenties” or of the burlesque in Germany and France ? Yoof gone to hell in a hand basket of decadence is what they thought.

  24. Trog Sorrenson @ #487 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 9:34 pm

    bemused
    “We can do without the Greens”.
    You and right wing Labor ideologues might be able to do without them, but the environment and an economy in transition can’t.

    You are redundant.
    Sorry to be the one to bring you bad news as I find you quite a likeable chap.
    When you decide to become relevant, rock along to your local ALP branch.

  25. The biggest gripe I have about the fuvking yoof is their cultural appropriation of rap.
    Oh hang on. I forgot about old fogies line dancing.

  26. poroti @ #489 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 9:38 pm

    bemused

    FFS . What do you reckon people like you thought of the Flappers and the “Roaring Twenties” or of the burlesque in Germany and France ? Yoof gone to hell in a hand basket of decadence is what they thought.

    Maybe. So what?
    None of that detracts from the objective truth about the privations and triumphs of the generation that went through the Great Depression and WWII.

  27. Pedant @ #478 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 9:20 pm

    Kayjay @ 9.10pm

    My mother, now in her 90s, has always been a bit of a hoarder, though not on the scale of your sister-in-law. She didn’t like to throw things out for which “good money had been paid”, or which “might come in handy”. Eventually we hired off site storage, and managed to shift a lot of stuff out there, saying that it wasn’t being thrown away, just moved. (And in the course of the move, we threw out a lot of junk.) Incidentally, when decluttering it’s worth checking things like empty envelopes one by one, in case they have cash stashed in them.

    My nephew and my cousin have been able to get rid of considerable tons of “stuff”. Enough to make navigation possible and kitchen and bathroom usable. My cousin described the house as a “pigsty”.

    👍👍

  28. bemused
    “When you decide to become relevant, rock along to your local ALP branch.”
    Good idea. I’ll take a sign.

  29. bemused

    Sure they went through shit but it does not make them better than the next or previous generations . Their previous and next and our current generation would handle and survive what they went through. People are still as tough and adaptable as necessary and always have been. All it means is their generation of “high and mighty” were fuckwits whose actions caused the disasters they had to endure.

  30. poroti @ #497 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 9:47 pm

    bemused

    Sure they went through shit but it does not make them better than the next or previous generations . Their previous and next and our current generation would handle and survive what they went through. People are still as tough and adaptable as necessary and always have been. All it means is their generation of “high and mighty” were fuckwits whose actions caused the disasters they had to endure.

    They were put to the tests no subsequent generation has had to face. They coped.
    I am less confident of my generation and subsequent.
    Material progress really has made us soft. I admit it. You don’t.

  31. Sure they went through shit but it does not make them better than the next or previous generations . Their previous and next and our current generation would handle and survive what they went through. People are still as tough and adaptable as necessary and always have been. All it means is their generation of “high and mighty” were fuckwits whose actions caused the disasters they had to endure.

    Well said.

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