First up, note that there are new posts below this one the near-finalisation of the Queensland election result, and the Tasmanian state poll from EMRS.
With three new polls added this week, the latest reading of BludgerTrack suggests last week’s surge to Labor to have been an aberration. However, the seat tally has wigged out this week, with both Ipsos and Essential recording particularly bad results for the Coalition from highly sensitive Queensland, and Ipsos producing a profoundly off-trend 57-43 lead to the Coalition in Western Australia. These results respectively cause Labor to gain four seats, and lose five – maybe the Queensland result reflects the impact of the state election, but I think you can take it for granted that the Liberal gain in Western Australia will wash out over the coming weeks.
Newspoll and Ipsos both produced new data on leadership ratings, but the trend measures here haven’t changed much. A further footnote from the Ipsos poll: the respondent-allocated two-party preferred result was 52-48, compared with a headline figure of 53-47, which is the best result the Coalition has had from anyone other than YouGov for a while.
As always, full results on the sidebar.
EDJ
Larry Anthony is bigger than Obeid.
Making money from the poor.
bemused
Ah the lament of the no longer relevant generation since like forever 😆
‘Trog Sorrenson says:
Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:26 pm
BW
Labor environment policies? You mean like supporting Adani “provided the economics stack up”.
Please.’
Au contraire.
My central thesis is that the Greens Party is wasting the environmentalist vote by locking it up in a generally powerless outfit – and that we need that power inside Labor to force Labor to do better environmental policies.
Berkman did carry on a bit about keeping the Labor Government accountable on Adani.
But we all know that keeping a government accountable is not a matter of words and play acting.
It is a matter of power.
And Berkman has no power.
Good night all.
I don’t think I’ve ever complained about ‘the young people of today’, even though I’m very old (well, pension age anyway). They have to put up with a lot more crap than I had to. When I was young, unemployment didn’t exist, you didn’t need a degree for most entry-level jobs and if you were financially responsible you had every expectation of being able to afford a house that wasn’t half way to the black stump.
poroti @ #502 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 9:53 pm
A fact I apply to myself and my generation.
lizzie @ #385 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 5:53 pm
I must be doing it wrong then. I go to great lengths to avoid the horrors of garment-shopping, and tend to wear what garments I have until they either fall apart or start developing large holes in embarrassing places.
Steve777:
A comment based on reality. Thank you.
Steve777 @ #505 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 9:55 pm
Yes, all true. And I suspect you are just a young fellow.
The problems and issues are different these days and cause a level of angst to those experiencing them.
But they are not like the privations of the ’30’s and ’40’s which I was fortunate not to experience.
A lot of the BS these days about ‘cost of living’ is really more to do with ‘cost of lifestyle’.
The biggest problem I see is housing. And a lot of that is due to unrealistic beliefs that a city can double in size without housing costs close to the CBD rising to the point of unaffordability for many.
I only buy new garments when my old ones fall apart or they no longer fit because I’ve put on more weight.
Confessions @ #508 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 10:02 pm
But contradicting much of what you previously agreed with. 😆
Steve777 @ #510 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 10:02 pm
I have always been like that. Never bought due to fashion changes or the like.
I can’t believe no one raised this yet!
https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE
And here’s the reality. Dean Smith is the one who can legitimately take credit for marriage equality. Not Malcolm Turnbull, who didn’t have the courage to back Smith’s bill and stare down the partyroom when he first put it forward as an way forward on SSM.
Barney:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOZUyR2rQ68
Steve777:
The thing with young people buying clothes, wearing once and tossing came from the War on Waste where they featured that millennial woman who talked about her fashion obsession and how she would think nothing of buying new, wearing once and throwing out and buying new, rinse and repeat.
Barney in Go Dau says:
Try Matera in Basilicata. Head east to Lecce then down to Otranto while you are down there.
All these comments about different generations are very culture-specific. I spend a lot of time in East Timor, where people much younger than me, the Santa Cruz massacre generation, had to put up with things we can scarcely imagine here.
Michael @ #518 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 10:33 pm
Very true.
People in such circumstances cope with things I doubt I could.
They have led tougher lives and are tougher as a result.
Michael @ #518 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 6:33 pm
Same here in Vietnam, for anyone my age the war was a very real part of their childhood and even into adulthood for those older.
You look at them sometimes and think, I have absolutely no comprehension of what you have been through in your life.
Michael:
Yes, of course the comments are culture-specific. I’m not sure what your point is though given the whingeing about younger generations tonight is coming from old white men with no experiences outside their own narrow cultural old white man realm.
Fess no picking on us old white males 🙁
I don’t think me or my cohort can do the “Four Yorkshiremen”. What can we say, when we were young we didn’t have screens to look at or fancy gadgets to play with?
It is an obligation of each generation to see that the next does better. Mine seems to have failed.
davidwh:
You haven’t been whining about today’s young people. Or if you have it was while I wasn’t here.
Poroti offered the valid point that each successive generation whines about the failures of the generation which succeeds it. This isn’t new: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOZUyR2rQ68
And won’t end with the current generation of young people or old fogeys.
Sorry Fess just joshing. It’s probably natural that younger people adapt faster to change and older people are more likely to get a bit stuck in the past.
I think many here are not giving the younger members of our society the credit they deserve. I have seen young people in many situations and I for one would readily place my safety and well being in their hands and I am damn sure that they will do better for the world and its people than I and most of my generation did. For a start they have more opportunity to see the world by visiting or via media, they see what is happening to people suffering as it happens not days and weeks later like I did when young. They have broader education and as we know they have broader opinions.
When I go to the RFS it is with gratitude that there are so many young, fit and healthy young people there. When I go out with the Yellow Van to help feed those in need it is not people older than me that are working alongside me and giving their time to tend for those in need it is the youth doing this.
When my gardens have been too prolific and I call the charity to come and collect the excess it is a couple of young people that come to collect it, they then take it to a central area where it is divided up and distributed to those in need. I am not saying that older people do not do these things but hanging shit on the younger generation is just a lot of bollocks and I think it is you that have a wrong attitude to our society and not the younger people.
After retiring from the military and working with the young men and women that have volunteered to serve in the forces let me tell you that I am amazed by the qualities that they show and I am perfectly happy to give the mantle of protectors to each and every one of them.
When I was young I was seen as a rebel, my parents couldn’t understand my love of blues and rock music, ‘art movies’, modern painting and sculpture and why I was so interested in other countries and peoples apart from Australia and its people. I aged and I think I matured and my interests in these allowed me to not only take have those interests but work towards giving people of other cultures and countries opportunities that they didn’t previously have (don’t get me wrong I am and have never been a paragon of virtue), it was me and my friends (youths) that collected for the starving in foreign lands, we collected clothes, toys, education items to send to Cambodia, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, and many other areas. So we showed the older generation that we weren’t the selfish arseholes they thought we were, just like the young people of today would do if called on to.
I am not perfect and have never been so as the youth of today are not perfect but I think that some here complaining about the youth of today are doing it by viewing them from a distance, they are strong, intelligent, compassionate, resourceful, talented, caring, very social beings, passionate, and very egalitarian.
What more could you ask of the people you will be leaving the world in the hands of.
Ah yes, the far-right, delivering the benefits of vaccines, agriculture, and science by drafting people and shipping them off to die in Vietnam and other immoral wars. Because that’s how progress happens!
The lefty fascists need to get with the program and start worrying about real problems like bad parents and bad drivers, and let the far-right keep wrecking up the joint for the good of humanity.
davidwh:
You’re one of the gentlemanly Bludgers in that you’re willing to show tolerance. 🙂
Hope you’ve been well btw.
Yes I am fine. Enjoying retirement and traveling a lot.
Talking about hoarding disorder it will remain largely untreated in the community…there is little funding for mental health services in general and unless you are deemed threat to yourself or others little will be offered…hoarding would be viewed as a third order mental health issue…I doubt it will be sufficient to get an NDIS package…64000 for the entire country for psychosocial disability…I work in mental health…many of our people are being denied the NDIS and told they will continue to receive existing supports…problem is their existing support finishes July 1 next year when we close and the whole federal program does and there is no replacement…people think the NBN is a debacle…it is but lives will be lost for the mentally ill under this new bastardised NDIS…the other issue is that direct support pay is so poor that services are withdrawing from this work and want the higher pay rates for Service Coordination…I am being told to do this though my primary role should be to exhaust every avenue to ensure ongoing support for vulnerable people…everyone is going mad chasing support coordination for the dollars to find services that aren’t there…it is unsustainable and going to result in coroners inquests…
davidwh:
Good to hear.
Didn’t take Brian long to kick an own goal with the Chinese, let’s see how this goes down in Bennalong…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-09/china-lodges-official-complaint-after-turnbulls-comments/9242630
The current fashion for the RW xenophobes to attack China is dangerous for us here since the Chinse have the capacity to hurt us economically.
One of the serious mistakes made by the globalist economists about how the primary and service sectors will save us and we do not need to manufacture anything is that it puts us totally dependent on China as a buyer for our exports and as a market for our tourism and education services.
I imagine that next year travel by Chinese to NZ will be up and ours down while the education sector will shrink. Suddenly we may find that Brazil gets the lion’s share of mineral contracts.
This would not be catastrophic if we had a thriving secondary sector but we do not.
Good Morning Bludgers! And peace be with you, boys and girls, and everyone in-between 🙂
So, ‘Who do you trust?’ in Bennelong?
Certainly not Malcolm Turnbull, John Alexander and that little rodent they have been dragging around the electorate recently, John Howard. 🙂
The rest is fluff; this is the only important sentence.
Instead, an agreement to start talks about trade next March required “full alignment” with single market rules, an ongoing role for the court of justice and a divorce bill of at least £35bn (€40bn).
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/08/theresa-may-and-arlene-foster-talked-late-into-night-on-brexit-deal
Looks like they are heading for single market without political representation.
Get that bazooka out point it to one’s feet and start firing
Libertarian Unionist,
If you are reading PB – an update for you on heavy rail to the Gold Coast:
1. I traveled on the new section of duplicate (up) track from Helensvale Station to Coomera Station on Thursday, I didn’t even pick up during the State election campaign that it had been opened.
2. During the campaign, the ALP announced their intention to construct new heavy rail stations at Merrimac, Helensvale North and Pimpama. Unfortunately this seems to be tied to the Cross River Rail project and increased rail capacity through the CBD. I would have thought that the two could be uncoupled.
Wow! It must be a gargantuan Dawn Patrol today! BK working overtime!
California fires have gone ballistic. Forecast winds of 80mph, equivalent to Cat 1 cyclone.
They have had to create a new fire risk colour – purple.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-fires-federal-emergency-declaration_us_5a2ab607e4b0a290f05026e2?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
TallebudgeraLurker says:
Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:34 am
Libertarian Unionist,
If you are reading PB
I’m curious, who else would be reading a post on PB?
To get you going, here is a fascinating analysis of the nature and extent of Trump’s lying:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/i-study-liars-ive-never-seen-one-like-president-trump-20171208-h01q54.html
Good morning Dawn Patrollers. Strewth! This has taken a long time to pull together.
Peter Hartcher is not impressed with the way parliament has been going. And he wants an ICAC.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/parliament-cant-pat-itself-on-the-back-yet-20171208-h016ze.html
China’s foreign ministry in Beijing has issued the strongest rebuke yet of the “Australian leader’s” suggestion that Chinese interference was the justification for tough new national security laws.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-blasts-malcolm-turnbull-for-poisoning-relationship-20171208-h01pzm.html
Crispin Hull makes a point in saying that banning foreign donations is surely an admission that foreign donations are made to influence politicians to make decisions that are contrary to the broad public interest. Well, how is this any different from donations from domestic for-profit corporations?
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/banning-foreign-political-donations-doesnt-go-nearly-far-enough-20171208-h0171o.html
Peter Martin looks at the ATO’s list of big tax non-payers.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-firms-including-news-corp-exxon-and-chevron-paid-no-tax-in-2016-tax-office-says-20171208-h01kxq.html
Paul Bongiorno wonders if Shorten is running out of luck.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2017/12/09/bill-shorten-running-out-luck/15127380005607
Is Bridget McKenzie the new Mesma when it comes to attending free sports and goodies with their squeezes? Google.
/national-affairs/bridget-mckenzie-new-zealand-enchants-another-national/news-story/69088f1b43bc6dabf6fddfda5c5e184b
Judith Ireland writes about the SSM vote abstainers. Pious sooks?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/samesex-marriage-tony-abbott-barnaby-joyce-scott-morrison-and-the-other-mps-who-didnt-vote-yes-or-no-20171207-h00kwo.html
Dennis Shanahan writes that the PM has forgotten all about religious protections while Bill Shorten has been writing to religious leaders. Google.
/news/inquirer/turnbull-ignores-no-voters-after-samesex-bill-is-passed/news-story/b4cb73f62910f285eeb40f173c847967
The SMH editorial looks at the SSM success and refers to the opponents who devised the plebiscite as a spoiling operation being utterly defeated, as were subsequent attempts to mount a rearguard action.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/gold-at-the-end-of-rainbow-week-20171208-h01i5m.html
Pontificating Paul Kelly writes that the SSM vote constituted the arrival of the new Australia and the demise of the old. The debate left no doubt what this means: the new Australia enshrines the principle of non-discrimination to guarantee diversity and will accord this priority over the principle of religious freedom, goodwill for which is eroding within progressive politics. But there are still deep division. Google.
/news/inquirer/samesex-marriage-amid-jubilation-and-history-lie-deep-divisions/news-story/909b0700197bf012c9b6d6d752c5f13d
Jacqui Maley goes after idiot Katter’s contributions in the SSM debate.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lets-thank-turnbull-for-cancelling-a-week-of-parliament-20171207-h00sw7.html
jack Waterford begins his article on Turnbull’s wasted year with “It has been a terrible, wasted year for Malcolm Turnbull. It has eaten up time he doesn’t have. But an even more terrible one for Australia, domestically and internationally. It’s holding back our chance to be agile and innovative, and glad to be alive.”
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/malcolm-turnbull-tries-to-clean-his-slate-after-another-wasted-year-20171207-h015hz.html
Thomas Friedman writes that Trump is giving Christmas gifts to China and Israel. He says Trump is not working in America’s best interests.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/trump-israel-and-the-art-of-the-giveaway-20171207-h0157o.html
‘Brexit Day’ on March 29, 2019 will see Britain leave the European Union in name only, under an EU plan leaked to the media hours after the so-called ‘divorce deal’ was done.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/britain-will-not-leave-eu-on-brexit-day-leaked-plans-reveal-20171208-h01q6q.html
Phil Coorey writes that this was meant to be a bad week for Malcolm Turnbull. It turned out to be one of his best. But can the Coalition hold it together internally? Google.
/news/malcolm-turnbull-might-have-seen-the-turning-point-20171207-h01126
The Coalition government’s moves to cut 15,000 public service jobs has coincided with a doubling in spending on private consultants with specialist skills, with the big four consultancy firms winning billions in work since 2012-13. Looks like false economy or a fixation with head count to me.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/federal-government-procurement-spend-hits-47-billion-in-201617-20171208-h01cqa.html
Ross Gittins looks at the latest economic figures on a rounded basis rather than spot.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/economy-do-you-want-the-good-news-or-bad-news-first-20171207-h015oc.html
And Stephen Koukoulas gives us the good, the bad and the ugly of the Australian economy.
https://thekouk.com/item/555-oz-economy-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly.html
Simon Cowan says that we should stop blaming the High Court for the citizenship shambles.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/blaming-high-court-for-citizenship-debacle-simply-deepens-publics-mistrust-20171208-h018y9.html
Australia’s manufacturing industry is the most energy-intensive in the world, and was the only developed country to see an increase in energy consumption between 2000 and 2015, the International Energy Agency said. Is this because many are using heavily subsidised power?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australian-manufacturing-poor-on-power-20171208-p4yxjl.html
Tony Windsor on fighting the Santo pipeline.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2017/12/09/fighting-the-santos-pipeline/15127380005608
Fergus Hunter looks at what might be Turnbull’s agenda for 2018.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/after-samesex-marriage-victory-malcolm-turnbull-shifts-his-sights-to-2018-and-the-economy-20171207-h011r1.html
Geoffrey Rush goes after that shitty rag The Daily Telegraph.
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/movies/geoffrey-rush-to-sue-murdochs-the-daily-telegraph-20171208-h01dcn.html
Does the ABC’s Radio National have a future? And while on the subject what a waste of space ABC22 in its new comedy guise has become!
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/abc-shakeup-at-radio-national-worries-former-senior-managers-20171207-h010td.html
Owners of an apartment block in the inner north covered in combustible cladding have received an emergency order to make their building safe within three months. The order required immediate action that will cost owners around $250,000. Is this the star of an avalanche of similar orders?
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/council-orders-brunswick-block-owners-to-fix-flammable-cladding-20171207-h00f43.html
When it comes to Turnbull’s reluctant Banking Royal Commission, the fix is in, writes banking corruption investigator Dr Evan Jones.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-claytons-banking-royal-commission,11011
When the inquiry into historical child sexual abuse delivers its final report next week, experts hope it will offer some lessons for the future too. It’s quite a long dissertation.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/09/never-again-can-the-royal-commission-help-make-our-children-safe
Multinational oil companies, banks and media firms have insisted they are doing nothing wrong, despite new data showing many had avoided paying a cent of tax in Australia for several years in a row.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2017/12/08/multinational-tax-dodgers-doing-nothing-wrong/
In an exclusive the Saturday Paper has a lead article saying “According to sources, the Dastyari leaks are suspected to have involved United States collusion. Senior Labor Party figures believe the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) leaked the audio of Sam Dastyari’s 2016 press conference in front of Chinese media, but possibly did so following pressure from a disgruntled US. “It’s a credible assumption,” one source said, “and everyone’s thinking it.””
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2017/12/09/us-link-sam-dastyari-leaks/15127380005616
Another bad day in court for Archbishop Philip Wilson. Google.
news/south-australia/adelaide-archbishop-philip-wilson-paid-1000-to-abuse-victims-family-from-own-pocket-court-hears/news-story/369d9f1690b3f483fd5da681d7691af6
Want a laugh? Then read this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/08/lead-us-not-into-mistranslation-pope-wants-lords-prayer-changed
After gaining a majority in Queensland, Labor needs to work out what it is going to do with it — but this is a minor headache compared to the LNP’s post-election migraine.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/labor-wins-majority-in-queensland–but-now-faces-fresh-challenges,11010
Elizabeth Farrelly tells us why private schools should be banned.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/elizabeth-farrelly-why-private-schools-should-be-banned-20171207-h010p1.html
This doesn’t look like a “freak” workplace accident to me.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bid-to-unravel-mystery-of-how-blade-in-ink-vat-moved-killing-trapped-worker-20171207-h012o7.html
David Wroe tells us that foreign-backed saboteurs who plant sleeper bugs in critical infrastructure such as telecommunications, power and water that could be mobilised to wreak havoc in the event of a war with Australia will face up to 15 years’ jail under the new foreign interference laws.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-sabotage-laws-for-cyber-attacks-on-australias-critical-infrastructure-20171207-h00oc2.html
A collapse in the number of interest-only loans being written by big banks is said to be combining with a drop in Chinese buyers of Australian property to create a “crunch time” for the economy next year.
https://www.domain.com.au/money-markets/slump-in-interestonly-lending-and-sliding-foreign-purchasing-makes-for-economic-crunch-time-20171207-h00jg0/?benref=smh
Mike Seccombe tells us that while the federal government boasts of decreasing carbon emissions from land clearing, state records show rapidly increasing rates of clearing, at great expense to the Emissions Reduction Fund.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2017/12/09/land-clearing-and-climate-change/15127380005615
The brutal reality of being a Donut King franchisee. And they are not the only ones either. This is shocking!
http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/cup-of-sorrow-the-brutal-reality-of-australias-franchise-king-20171207-h00lbl.html
Australia’s top companies ignore climate change, and we let them.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/investments/companies-ignore-climate-change-and-we-ve-let-them-get-away-with-it-20171208-p4yxjg.html
Cartoon Corner
Matt Golding with the life of many franchisees.
John Shakespeare on SSM legislative celebrations while other important issues are not dealt with.
Jim Pavlidis suggests Turnbull’s victory dance is over.
Glen Le Lievre reckons Morrison might just be over-egging the growth figures a tad.
Alan Moir gives us the sexual harassment elephant in the room.
Paul Zanetti bursts into song.
David Pope finds something good coming from a ruined parliament.
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/david-pope-20120214-1t3j0
Matt Golding returns to the economy.
Mark Knight gives Katter a serve.
And David Rowe completes the humiliation of Katter.
And he has a good one on Feeney.
A quickie from Jon Kudelka on Lyle Shelton.
Alan Moir tweeted “C’mon Tones, the world is changing out there and it’s not so scary”.
Jon Kudelka in the playground with Sam and Bill.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/c9abd00153aa935ec6f03367c2a5400d
C@t
I just read that and he seems to have reached a level of lying above the normal measures! A bit like the fire danger in California.
Trog Sorrenson says:
Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:48 am
California fires have gone ballistic. Forecast winds of 80mph, equivalent to Cat 1 cyclone.
They have had to create a new fire risk colour – purple.
9000,10000 and 7000 acres. A lot of noise but there babies.
2003 Gippsland fires about 3 million acres.
2013 Gipppland fires about 80000 acres.
frednk @ #642 Saturday, December 9th, 2017 – 6:49 am
Frednk,
My observation is that LU isn’t a serial poster on PB and I envisage that other posters may not read the blog from top to bottom every day – so it was just my way of catching his eye if he was scrolling past. I often see particular messages to other PBers repeated.
BK
First comment to Hartcher’s article could have been ‘borrowed’ from PB 🙂
frednk
Yes, but in Gippsland you are talking a relatively low concentration of gipps, whereas, in California, you have a high concentration of murdochs.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/abc-shakeup-at-radio-national-worries-former-senior-managers-20171207-h010td.html
BK’s cartoon round up helps illustrate how every slip of Labor’s is magnified, whereas the Coalition’s are covered up (if possible).
Feeney could have taken the route Liberal MPs have done, and simply said, “I’ve checked, I’m OK, take my word for it.”
Morning all
BK
Appreciate today’s offerings!
The Sam Dastyari saga is an interesting one. I felt from the get go thst ASIO had their hand in the matter being made public. Most likely as a warning to all political operatives. Dastyari did take money and he did make public comments sympathetic to Chinese interests, and he allegedly warned Chinese donor phone likely being tapped. Not really the actions of a loyal Australian servant.
In any case, I keep going back to the Darwin ports lease to Chinese company. Surely that is a bigger national security risk.
Zoomster
Funny thing is BJoyce was treated as a victim having to go through a by election. And when it was all iver and he won. It was reported as vindication. Feeney on other hand. Not so much……..