We have a new/old Labor leader and, presumably, a new/old prime minister. Soon, I fear, we will have a new election date. Developing …
UPDATE: Prominent Gillard-ites Wayne Swan, Craig Emerson, Stephen Conroy, Greg Combet and Joe Ludwig have resigned from cabinet. Penny Wong has unanimously been chosen to replace Conroy as Senate leader, with Jacinta Collins replacing Wong as deputy. Anthony Albanese defeated Simon Crean 61-38 in a ballot for deputy in the House.
UPDATE 2: Greg Combet also resigns from cabinet, and Craig Emerson to go from parliament. Preselections loom for Lalor and Rankin.
UPDATE 3 (Morgan SMS poll): Morgan has sprung into action with a “snap” SMS poll of 2530 respondents, showing a Coalition lead of just 50.5-49.5 from primary votes of 38% for Labor, 43% for the Coalition and 8.5% for the Greens. For what it’s worth, a Morgan poll conducted by the same method on the day of the 2010 election turned in a highly accurate result.
I think Rudd first policy should be to change the voting age
to between 18 to 65
Confessions and others
I do not think any Rudd supporter thinks that just changing leaders is in itself sufficient although the reaction to date has been pretty positive
He made a good start today bu focusing on the economy.
He also failed to make the first mistake Gillard made – he was gracious to Gillard and Swan. As I have said before, failure to be gracious to Rudd when she first took over was Gillard’s first and most serious mistake and has coloured everything since.
It was inept and politically foolish and suggests that from day one she had some very bad advisors around her.
[I think Rudd first policy should be to change the voting age
to between 18 to 65]
Sure. Maybe he could also round up opposition supporters and disappear them too, while he’s at it.
I know you meant it in jest but the High Court would shoot that law down.
[That sounds like a slightly garbled account of the entire “multi mode” method. The internet and SMS components would involve a “panel”, but not the face-to-face component, which is conducted by interviewers going around door to door.]
Thanks WB, just repeating what was on the radio will be interesting to see what it brings up.
Assuming that the samples are from the same source, one thing that would be fun compare would be outcomes by different methods. Would love to see if the FTF method is biased.
Joe Hockey on Channel 10 right now. Is he hiding gobstoppers in his cheeks?
and for those increasingly shrill right wing-nuts bemoaning the drain of experience from the ALP numbers – numbers are very similar
[Retiring MP’s
LIberals and Nationals 13
ALP 14
Independent 2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_2013#Liberal
Marky
That would mean most of PB could not vote:
I think to even try a move like that would see more angry greys than you would want to see.
DisplayName
The minions I control do all that. They are very hightech. They can be re-programmed to drive on the wrong side of the road, just like Bill Shorten’s
I was being sarcastic. What did Howard do for these people, he never gave them a pension rise during his term. Left it up to Labor to increase the age pension.
[It was inept and politically foolish and suggests that from day one she had some very bad advisors around her.]
I suspect as time passes we will be able to talk openly of her many simple errors and stumbles and how she was her own worst enemy, but it will wait.
[Yet again – the split isn’t about who the leader is. ]
‘The split’ is about populism rather than policy and achievements. It’s easier for the NSW Right to assert itself when the contest is populism, than if it were policy.
Why gloss over this?
If anything, the minimum voting age should be lowered. And that has nothing to do with who it would favour but rather it’s a good idea, philosophically, IMO.
TP
Most sensitive! You are invited to my wake on the strength of that.
Confessions my prediction is this under a Rudd Labor will win the next election and i stand by it.
[iniquitous]
William, I won’t claim the Gillard government was uniquely inquitous.
I found their increase in taxes on smokes, plus their plain paper packaging to be in that area of public policy that is entirely grey.
Cigarettes were treated as a revenue source by Wong at the same time as she claimed increased taxes on smokes benefited society.
Rightly or wrongly, I assocaite the Gillard era as one that witnessed the banning of smoking in public malls on the one hand and opeing of heroin injecting rooms with the other.
blackburnpseph@2756
Seems the cult continues and thrives.
In a few years it will be like the veneration of the supposed relics of some long dead saint.
Carey Moore
“If anything, the minimum voting age should be lowered. And that has nothing to do with who it would favour but rather it’s a good idea, philosophically, IMO.”
Yeah. How many like, 16 year old do you like, speak to?
confessions
[‘The split’ is about populism rather than policy and achievements. It’s easier for the NSW Right to assert itself when the contest is populism, than if it were policy.
Why gloss over this?]
Is this a paint or wallpaper question?
[I think Rudd first policy should be to change the voting age
to between 18 to 65]
PISS OFF! I want my vote!
[TP
Most sensitive! You are invited to my wake on the strength of that.]
Certainly 1 million percent better than the behaviour of many here to Rudd when he was knifed..which was all out character assassination after the event, to I guess justify his replacement.
We have been very very tame in comparison.
WA looks a bit suspect as well Kevin.
Hang on, where abouts are these Heroin injecting rooms, this is news to me…
[Seems the cult continues and thrives.
In a few years it will be like the veneration of the supposed relics of some long dead saint.]
It is like that Planet of the Apes sequel where the apes are worshipping something that they don’t realise is a nuclear bomb.
Mr Squiggle
“Rightly or wrongly, I assocaite the Gillard era as one that witnessed the banning of smoking in public malls on the one hand and opeing of heroin injecting rooms with the other.”
…and?
And wait, which heroin injecting rooms did the Gillard government open?
“I assocaite the Gillard era as one that witnessed the banning of smoking in public malls on the one hand and opeing of heroin injecting rooms with the other.”
Even if that’s true, where is the inconsistency?
[Cigarettes were treated as a revenue source by Wong at the same time as she claimed increased taxes on smokes benefited society.]
What absolute bullshit. The cost to the economy of tobacco use is about eight times greater than the taxation revenue generated from the sale of tobacco products.
[My view is Gillard won. No one will ever know if she could have pulled the election off or not, she got three years and she used them. She will now become a martyr and a saint in the eyes of many. Rudd will just be another other; forgotten by History..
]
History will most certainly state that on the verge of a record loss Labor turned to former PM Rudd was to reduce the level of damage…..(and managed or not … to pull off one of the most remarkable come backs in victories in Aust political history).
[Yeah. How many like, 16 year old do you like, speak to?]
A few decades ago when it was proposed to drop the voting age from 21 to 18, it was derogatory remarks about the stupidity of 18 year olds…
Player One@2762
FMD – the leader who led Labor into it’s present predicament?
This just gets weirder and weirder.
Mr Squiggle, it’s becoming painfully apparent you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Try doing a bit of Googling before making claims that can easily be completely and comprehensively disproved, you’re embarrassing yourself.
[History will recall is one of those tired, hackneyed, pieces of pretentious twaddle — and that the attempt to sound lofty featured a syntax error and a pointless qualification {probable sic} just makes it all the more absurd.]
Thanks Fran – I majored in History. Perhaps instituions like Monash should engage you as a motivational speaker, something to rev to up the first year students.
Sean Tisme
Posted Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 10:54 pm | Permalink
The apology to forced adoptees, —-DEMONISING the work of the church
Gillard wrecked the Forced Adoptee’s Day by declaring a leadership challenge.
Why couldn’t she let the Stolen Children have their day without silly Labor nonsense?
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What nonsense to blame Gillard. It was Crean in March who trying to force the spill.
Sean Tisme
Posted Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink
Take a hike as well, super d@ckwit.
Abbott Boo’d by the left because he said “birth parents”, but Gillard completely fcks the day of the Forced Adoptee’s by holding a leadership stunt.
I may be a dickhead, but i’ve also got a good memory.
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march. Crean. Not Gillard.
Memory not as good as you remember
Mr Squiggle
“Thanks Fran – I majored in History.”
Biblical History?
The good thing for Julia’ sake is that her team did alot of worthwhile things and for her she did not have to go to election and face the media afterwards and her supporters after a possible terrible loss unlike Anna Bligh and New South Wales Labor Leader whose name escapes me, apologies to her. That for Julia i think is a good thing and a good thing for women as well as that would have portrayed them as losers again. Only two women leaders have won elections outright in Australia Bligh and Lawrence.
[It is like that Planet of the Apes sequel where the apes are worshipping something that they don’t realise is a nuclear bomb.]
It wasnt the apes but the human decedents underneath in the old city/ruins/subway
[And wait, which heroin injecting rooms did the Gillard government open?]
Absolute twadle – None that I am aware of.
However, in the Gillared era, I am aware of several.
Until there is a method of conveying ideas to you directly, or telepathically, I will be limited to using actual words (most of them in English). eg ‘Gillard era’ as a pair of written words normally has a different meaning to ‘Gillard goven…’
‘gillard gove….. ‘
O forget it.
[ Sean Tisme ]
Gesundheit
[Cigarettes were treated as a revenue source by Wong at the same time as she claimed increased taxes on smokes benefited society.]
Not getting confused with that episode of Yes Prime Minister are we??
Oooh, so the state government opening a supervised drug injection centre in Kings Cross in response to a wave of drug overdose victims in back alleys in 2001 was somehow Gillard’s responsibility? I won’t say “fault” because I don’t see why anyone could consider the supervised drug inject centre a bad thing.
That non sequitur is about up there with quoting Malcolm Turnbull on some bogus complaint about an abstention in the General Assembly as having some relevance to Australia taking a Security Council seat. Does not compute.
Mr Squiggle
The Fukushima nuclear plant also had a partial meltdown ‘under Gillard’. What incompetence!
[Absolute twadle – None that I am aware of.
However, in the Gillared era, I am aware of several. ]
The one I’m aware of is at Kings Cross, and it started in 2001.
If Mr. Squiggle had even the slightest clue what he was talking about (I know! I know! That’s in the realm of fantasy!), he’d know that heroin injecting rooms fall under the jurisdiction of state, not federal governments.
Centre@2777
I’m happy with that but I have similar views on the Greens although maybe not as hard line as you.
Carey Moore
“If Mr. Squiggle had even the slightest clue what he was talking about (I know! I know! That’s in the realm of fantasy!), he’d know that heroin injecting rooms fall under the jurisdiction of state, not federal governments.”
As are laws surrounding smoking in public areas.
Anything we can blame the Gillard government for?
Anything else we can blame the Gillard Government?
[The Fukushima nuclear plant also had a partial meltdown ‘under Gillard’. What incompetence!]
The difference being that Fukushima meltdown was triggered by a natuaral event.
Herion injecting rooms and taxation increases on human vices like smoking are normally the domain of governemnt policy
I’ve spotted the difference between the two, how about you?
Mr. Squiggle, give up
while you are ahead.SMS Morgan Poll: 18-24yrs: ALP (59.5%, up 7%) cf. L-NP (40.5%, down 7%); 25-34yrs: ALP (58.5%, up 9%) cf. L-NP (41.5%, down 9%);