The Age/Herald yesterday brought us the third result in its monthly federal polling series from Resolve Strategic, which had the Coalition on 40% (up one), Labor on 36% (up one), the Greens on 10% (down two) and One Nation on 3% (up one). This series doesn’t provide a published two-party result, but based on the last election this suggests a Labor lead of 50.5-49.5, down from around 51-49 last time. Scott Morrison has taken a hit on his personal ratings, down five on approval to 48% and up two on disapproval to 40%, while Anthony Albanese is down a point on both, to 31% and 44% respectively. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is at 46-23, unchanged in magnitude from 48-25 last time.
Full results from the poll, which was conducted last Tuesday to Saturday from a sample of 1600, can be viewed here. This includes the poll’s usual results for leader attributes and best party to handle various issues, as well as breakdowns for all major questions by region and gender. After last month’s poll unusually found Labor doing better in New South Wales than Victoria, this result reverts to normal. The pollster has also been up and down in its gender breakdowns, having found Labor doing better among women in the second poll a month ago, but little gender gap in the first poll and the third.
N
I deleted it before you responded.
As for slurs thats your propaganda
The Greens derive political benefits from the stocking up of camps. They can run refugee porn. Fuck the Greens.
Big A Adrian,
With respect your post at 2.57pm includes a lot of assumption and hypotheticals around how a labor Immigration minister would use ministerial descretion in some future cases with unknown sets of circumstances.
KK is, among other responsibilities, the shadow minister for Immigration.
Time again, when asked, she has made clear the labor policy re off shore processing and boat turn backs. The same responses Richard Marles gave today.
KK has also been front and centre in recent times in prosecuting the case for the family in question to be returned to Biloela and for the Immigration Minister to use his/ her ministerial descretion to allow the family to remain in Biloela. The same points put forward by Marles today, yesterday etc etc.
Good try but no cigar.
Cheers.
Labor can pursue the Canada Solution.
Repeating in case it was missed.
alfred venison:
[‘…not sure how true this is, but after embarkation, it was said, they changed course to far away canada after hearing that nearby australia had hardened its stand.’]
Interesting overall post and if the part above is true it’s certainly what the Morrison Government would hope for. It’s now farily clear that people smugglers don’t think Australia’s the money-spinner it used to be, which somewhat negates the imperative of the government apropos of the Biloela family – deterrence.
G…you would do well not to accuse other bludgers of lies. You consistently misrepresent the views of others. I do not claim to speak for you. You do not speak for me.
I have expressed views on human trafficking. I have not called for people to be tortured or incarcerated. I am opposed to the exploitation of refugees. You have tried to mis-characterise this.
Reconsays:
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:31 pm
Nath,
Mandatory detention is the policy of detaining asylum seekers, who traveled by boat, in 3rd countries.
At no time did it apply to this family as both parents arrived in Australia before the policy was implemented.
BTW,
I hope the greens and their band of supporters continue to argue that labor and the coalition are the “ same” re AS.
Will not do labor any harm. Meanwhile, labor will fight its battles on issues of its choice and the greens will continue to fight for business as usual on climate inaction and AS inaction.
N
I deleted the post. I won’t apologise as you are doing propaganda.
I deleted the post before your faux outrage.
You are blaming the victims to excuse a policy.
Blame the criminals
guytaur,
Your post re the Canada solution was not missed. Just ignored.
Doyley
This is why Labor will lose.
It’s learnt nothing.
It will continue to have its policies determined by the LNP out of fear of taking a risk.
I have tweeted the Canada Solution slogan to both Cheryl Kernot and Nick McKim in case you think I speak for the Greens.
Big A Adrian
I agree with you that the boat turn backs are probably the most effective, and that the mandatory detention is unnecessary.
However, we have a wicked problem with asylum seekers who come by boat. The people in the seats that need to change hands for the Coalition to lose government are in favour of mandatory detention, and will easily be convinced by the Daily Telegraph that ending mandatory detention will mean a flood of people who are ethnically not like them being settled in their electorate. They see this a disaster, ironically because they do not have a lot to do with people who have come from overseas, except perhaps in their own ethnic / national communities who have settled here.
Of course, those of us who post on Crikey preferentially live in leafy or inner-city areas (as I do), and we are very familiar with refugees and migrants, and value them. But, none of those seats are up for grabs, unless independents can take McKellar, or North Sydney.
I think that we need to change the conversation on refugees, and pivot towards a regional solution. Malcolm Fraser successfully did this, although it was a long time ago now. UNHCR refugee camps were set up in Thailand and other places, which people could reach by land. They then went onto a waiting list for resettlement, which took around 18 months. The Daily Telegraph still complained about Vietnamese gangs, and economic refugees of course, but it was not the vote changing issue that it became under Howard, and ;after under Abbott.
And Australia needs to increase its foreign aid, and dramatically increase its refugee intake. The latter was severely trimmed back by Tony Abbott, and has continued to decrease, since 2013.
The way the conversation around refugees is framed at the moment is all in terms of absolutes, and the majority of the electorate will take the “keep the boats stopped” position, without thinking about which elements of the current system are keeping the boats stopped.
Lizzie,
I hope you are keeping as well as you can without electricity. Dogs make great hot water bottles!
Doyley,
That’s the way to handle him!
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/06/16/resolve-strategic-coalition-40-labor-36-greens-10/comment-page-6/#comment-3627052
Hello, moderator?
Barney in Tanjung Bunga says:
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 3:37 pm
Reconsays:
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:31 pm
As far as I understood the issue, the two parents held bridging visas when they first met. When those expired they were detained under the mandatory detention policy. Seems pretty clear to me.
Nath,
Mandatory detention is the policy of detaining asylum seekers, who traveled by boat, in 3rd countries.
At no time did it apply to this family as both parents arrived in Australia before the policy was implemented.
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Barney I honestly don’t know what you are talking about. Mandatory detention was brought in by the Keating government in 1992.
As for the family. Both parents arrived by boat on Christmas Island and Cocos Island. They were both detained under the policy of mandatory detention.
Then both were given bridging visas. When these expired they were again detained under mandatory detention.
Douglas and Milko
Power has been restored, at last, thank you, so everything is slowly coming back to normal, although I admit I’m exhausted from the stress. I was even able to grind beans and make a “proper” cup of coffee this morning!
rh,
Walker seems to be saying that everyone is guilty of something so it’s just a matter of finding the right evidence and the right charge.
Paranoia:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/roberts-smith-feared-media-would-intercept-his-phone-calls-court-hears-20210616-p581go.html
Driver tests covid19 positive at Bondi:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-news-live-southbank-apartment-covid-cluster-grows-in-melbourne-ben-roberts-smith-trial-continues-20210615-p5819i.html
Also – G7 bullying China, I don’t think we will see WW3, but what we will see is western countries use China as scapegoat as a distraction. Because they don’t want to take any responsibility for their own insecurities.
VCT
Your reposting a post I deleted for the very reason you are posting it is bullying.
I thought better of it and used the edit function for what it’s supposed to be used for and deleted the post.
A long reminder of how the West ‘lost’ a Russia .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7Ng75e5gQ
Short version is that effing NATO wot done it. The effects of which predicted by this chap.(use Incognito)
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html
lizziesays: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 4:01 pm
Power has been restored, at last, thank you, so everything is slowly coming back to normal
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That’s great to hear Lizzie !!!! ……………….. So many homes still out in Kalorama
Enjoy your coffee : )
A 2.5% wage increase seems to be a reasonable outcome given where inflation is atm.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/minimum-wage-decision-2021/100220076
phoenixRED
The cold nights have made me remember the homeless. I don’t know how they survive. And that poor lady who died in her chair because the carer failed to turn up.
@unionsaustralia tweets
Let’s be clear: Unions fought for and won this 2.5% payrise for 1 in 4 workers. The Government and big business wanted pay cuts or pay freezes.
lizziesays: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 4:11 pm
phoenixRED
The cold nights have made me remember the homeless. I don’t know how they survive. And that poor lady who died in her chair because the carer failed to turn up.
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We take so many things for granted – like click a switch and lights come on etc
I totally support you thoughts on the homeless, Lizzie – often pass shop doorsteps in town to see a bundle of some poor bugger and all they own …… should not happen in todays society …. if I ever win tattslotto then I will give to them # 1
“Michael McCormack thinks by ‘poking fun’ at urbanites, he gains stock in the bush.”
Yes, that mouse joke was a real thigh-slapper. Comedy gold. 😛
There are 80 million displaced persons among whom there are 32 million children.
When the Sri Lankan family gets to either Sri Lanka, or Australian citizenship in Biloela, those figures will still obtain, demonstrating that the current brou ha ha, from the Greens to the Coalition is pure kabuki with some enthusiastic audience participation and confusion thrown in.
How many refugees a year should Australia welcome? By ‘welcome’, I mean that they gain transport services to Australia, immediate permanent residency (with the usual pathways to full citizenship) and full access to all relevant government transfers and services. In addition government services would provide services that accelerate full participation in the paid and informal economies.
Which refugees should Australia welcome? How do we organize our annual quota? I assume that it would be preferable to have sort of organisation rather than rafferty’s rules.
How should Australia deter the remainder which I will call ‘non quota refugees’? Total global non quota refugees will quickly exceed the number that this equation started with.
Specifically, what cruelties would this involve? As I recall, turning the boats back was widely regarded as cruel and inhumane but now seems to be accepted by many of the same commentators who previously reviled it.
In terms of cruelty there can be no doubt that one involves mass death as refugees who do not fill our quota desperately try to cross seas in unseaworthy boats.
Another cruelty will involve the non quota refugees remaining in as state of permanent uncertainty as they realize that any hope of being resettlement recedes into the horizon.
Another cruelty will be the state of the on quota refugees camps. Life is bad in most of the camps. Education, health and housing are generally absent to totally lacking. Security is often very poor as well.
Why doesn’t Labor get cracking with a constant complaint about having a demonstrable fool as a Deputy PM. There is no need to create the material – McCormack himself provides ample proof.
lizzie,
Lordy! Lordy! The Nats stuff up plenty without having policies. Imagine if they complicated their decision making processes by having policies. It’s like giving ADD kids sugary drinks and lollies. It never ends well!
‘Kakuru says:
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 4:20 pm
“Michael McCormack thinks by ‘poking fun’ at urbanites, he gains stock in the bush.”
Yes, that mouse joke was a real thigh-slapper. Comedy gold. ‘
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Meh. It is the other side of the coin from the one in which inner urbs Greens condescend to people in the bush.
BW
So let’s use the Canada Solution
The nice maple leaf country. Sponsored AS. A controlled system without floods of refugees.
No cruelty needed.
guytaur says:
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 3:38 pm
N
You are blaming the victims to excuse a policy.
Where have I blamed the victims? Look high, look low. You will not find anything resembling blame from me.
The camps are empty.
No-one other than the Greens wants to see the resumption of the trade in humans.
The Greens have built their brand in part on the trafficking of humans. They are keen to see the trade revived for the purposes of marketing their brand. They are very happy to exploit the appalling trade in humans.
Labor will do very well to repudiate the Greens on this issue.
Elvis McCormack. The brains of the bush. Australias best comedy double act with Bonking Barnyard.
Blame Canada.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
It’s not that the length of 2×4 disguised as Michael McCormack tried to poke fun at urbanites it is that his attempt to do so was so gawd awful unfunny.
poroti says:
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 4:26 pm
It’s not that the length of 2×4 disguised as Michael McCormack tried to poke fun at urbanites it is that his attempt to do so was so gawd awful unfunny.
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Yes I agree. Smashed mouse as the new smashed avo would have been better.
2.5% increase in minimum wage ! OMG , prepare for the end of civilisation as we know it. Well that was the impression I got from various employee groups’ spokespeasants as to what would happen if anything above about 0.1% was awarded.
N
You are pretending it’s good to be cruel to children.
As I said we know Mandatory Detention is cruel. We know the Biloela family being in detention has nothing to do with stopping the boats.
You just made the point in your post.
It’s Mandatory Detention that is the problem.
Instead let’s go with the Canada Solution.
poroti,
As Derek and Clive might say,
Laugh?
We nearly shat!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
The fucking Coalition will go apeshit after that Fair Work decision. Lets see who is the workers party now after this hand down. Waiting for the first to come out of the woodwork.
I don’t think that this argument (ahem) discussion about refugees is getting us very far.
I’m reading that Karen Andrews MP is doubting the seriousness of the little girl’s illness. Presumably she also doubts the professional skills of the doctors.
Steve Davis
Yep you nailed it.
McCormack is so thick he doesn’t realised that a lot of those inner city apartment dwellers are actually liberal voters.
Dumb as a door.
lizzie
Karen Andrews doing nuthin’ to ‘rehabilitate’ the name ‘Karen’ 😆
So we have a new case, not of hotel quarantine origin, of Covid-19 in Sydney. A man in his 60s who is a driver of international cabin crews from the airport to their hotels.
I thought Golden Gladys had dealt with the problem of international cabin crews and put in place safeguards against infection of the local population? Apparently not.
G’day Lizzie , glad to see you’ve survived the deluge that was inflicted on your and near by neighbours and made it out the other side. Welcome back
poroti
An example of how Morrison’s ministers will bend the truth to keep the approval of the Boss and hold on to their position.
Bert
The irony is that I have today replaced my leaking water tank! It was ordered long before the deluge.