The latest monthly Ipsos poll for the Fairfax papers is better for the Coalition than the last, recording Labor’s two-party lead at 52-48 on previous election preferences and 53-47 on respondent-allocated preferences, compared with 55-45 for both last time. The Coalition is up two points on the primary vote to 37%, with Labor down one to 34% and the Greens down two to 13%.
Despite the Coalition’s improvement on voting intention, Scott Morrison is down two on approval to 48% and up three on disapproval to 36%, while Bill Shorten is respectively down one to 40% and two to 47%. Morrison’s lead on preferred prime minister is 47-35, little changed on the 48-35 result last time.
The poll also finds 46% support a reduction in immigration from Muslim countries, compared with 14% for increased and 35% for left unchanged; and that 47% believe the government’s first objective in energy policy should be to reduce prices, compared with 39% for reducing carbon emissions. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1200.
Rossmcg………..I guess what I found surprising from the West was the unvarnished way in which the poll was reported. Being used to the West’s LNP friendly headlines (for the most part) and knowing, from an editorial point of view, their heart usually beats LNP, the item seem oddly misplaced.
Mavis Smith
I have noticed over the past couple of years that the Age online is becoming increasingly similar to Nine: Rubbish (clickbait?) at the top and serious stuff discreetly hidden.
The only reason I still go there is to find local news. Otherwise, The Guardian.
IMV the rot started when Warren Fairfax took over. Long time passing, now.
Nath:
And thank god for those land boomers when you think about it. Melbourne’s rail system today is still based on what they did. In fact, there is probably less rail than there was in 1910 when you think of those lines that have gone, the Outer Circle line, the Port Melbourne and St. Kilda lines.
There is a line on the Mornington Peninsula it just happens to be going to Hastings and in the 19th century, there were more people on the Bellarine Peninsula than the MP.
Goodness me. We have a contender for stupidest comment of the week!
https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/rdp/2001/2001-07/1890s-depression.html
“The depression, which saw real GDP fall 17 per cent over 1892 and 1893, and the accompanying financial crisis, which reached a peak in 1893, were the most severe in Australia’s history. The overextension of the 1880s property boom and its unravelling led to an abrupt collapse of private investment in the pastoral industry and urban development and a sharp pullback in public infrastructure investment. A fall-off in capital inflow from Britain, adverse movements in the terms of trade and drought in 1895 accentuated and prolonged the depression.”
My emphasis.
Michael Koziol
Verified account @michaelkoziol
55s56 seconds ago
Acceptable: calling Tony Abbott a “c–t”
Unacceptable: calling Scott Morrison a “f–king muppet”
https://www.centralwesterndaily.com.au/story/5764445/youre-a-ing-muppet-race-fan-fined-for-abusing-prime-minister-at-bathurst-1000/?cs=9402
Cud Chewer @ #248 Monday, November 19th, 2018 – 7:38 am
If a hard border was proposed then Ireland would veto the deal.
The merger (drowning?) of Fairfax and the 9 outfit is a bit of a downer for those who had hoped that the inexorable decline of print media would somehow, slow down. Not to be by the look of it. We in the West (Perth) have been treated as suburb of Sydney/Melbourne by the likes of Ch9 for some time and this means we will get to see, hot off the press, a fire in a house in Lithgow, or big earthworms being found in Leongatha for what passes as ‘news’ more often now.
@Zoidlord………I have no problems with people having freedom of speech…..ie…….calling the PM a muppet…..but why would you do it when you have drugs in your possession………especially LSD……..lol…?
Tricot says:
Monday, November 19, 2018 at 11:38 am
Rossmcg………..I guess what I found surprising from the West was the unvarnished way in which the poll was reported. Being used to the West’s LNP friendly headlines (for the most part) and knowing, from an editorial point of view, their heart usually beats LNP, the item seem oddly misplaced.
It’s also well worth remembering that the WA Liberals are split and really without any effective leadership or sense of purpose these days. Their nominally-senior Fed member, Julie Bishop, has no support at all among her other WA delegates. Cormann is in disgrace. The State leader is regarded as an oddity who will never lead them to anything. They are a Party in internal exile. They have been steadily losing members, donors and electoral support. This is reflected in the tepid coverage the get from the West and the media generally.
The problem the cross bench is creating for itself with this ‘we’ll do and ICAC without the government’ rhetoric is that to vote for it whilst the government opposes is a vote of no confidence.
You could maybe get away with a vote to endorse the idea of a commission, but that would just look gutless and Labor wouldn’t be interested in that.
But to actually establish a commission will require a budget allocation. To vote for such an allocation means a drive to Yarralumla for FauxMo unless the Libs are on board.
I very much doubt that there isn’t at least one and probably a minimum of 4 on the cross bench that wouldn’t go to water if it comes to that. Morrison is an idiot, but surely not that much of an idiot to not know this. So the government can make it’s own mind up about the idea. And we know if these bums decide to go with a commission it will be a bastardised faux commission.
So I reckon the cross bench might be badly overplaying their hand here. They are promising something they can’t deliver.
Brexit and a divided Ireland are incompatible. I posted something like this yesterday, but in my opinion only Ireland can solve Britain’s Brexit problem.
Er, which bit of Ireland and which deal specifically?
For reasons that are not readily discernible, Ipsos does have an inbuilt bias towards the Greens, evidenced by the 15% in its previous poll, 13% in last night’s. Whereas, Newspoll has the PV as 9%.
A relatively week leader, accusations made against Buckingham, McAlpine, a good deal of disunity are factors that should see their primary vote in single digits.
Anyway, the next Newspoll will tell the tale.
Late Riser all I was pointing out is that if there is a hard border it will be an interesting one where people are free to walk across, but not their goods.
@Sonar
The problem is… what people like Tony Abbott called Julia Gillard and didn’t get fined, infact, I don’t think anyone from the Liberal side ever got fined or jailed.
Hypocrites.
Late Riser says:
Monday, November 19, 2018 at 11:49 am
Brexit and a divided Ireland are incompatible. I posted something like this yesterday, but in my opinion only Ireland can solve Britain’s Brexit problem.
The Irish border with NI is also the EU’s border. Ireland could ‘solve’ the problem by itself, but only by also leaving the EU, something that would cause great harm to the Irish economy. The British can solve the problem by remaining inside the EU.
lizzie:
[‘Otherwise, The Guardian.’]
Yes, and what’s more, it’s free, though I do contribute to it from time to time.
Cud Chewer, From the rhetoric I’ve read that would not work for Britain. Free movement of people is part of the problem Brexit is supposed to solve. People from Europe could travel freely to Ireland (Republic) and enter Britain by crossing to Northern Ireland.
There is a soft border between Northern Ireland and Irelaand because they are both in EU. Tnis will change with Brexit.
And a Message from Irish PM..
Varadkar says no to any further negotiations on Brexit.
https://apple.news/ABEVqqxU_TjO8BwG-OGyxug
Cud Chewer @ #259 Monday, November 19th, 2018 – 7:50 am
Ireland the country and Brexit the deal. 🙂
Mavis Smith
So do I.
If the House of Commons votes to reject May’s agreement and Europe refuses to renegotiate…. the UK will”hard” Brexit. I.e. with no agreement.
Briefly, not having Brexit would of course also make Brexit’s problems go away. I was suggesting that only Ireland (NI and Republic) can make Brexit work. The Republic could break away from the EU, or NI could rejoin the Republic, or they could agree to a hard border.
The 27 members of the EU have all agreed there can be no hard border between Ireland and NI.
It is extraordinary that at this time the Tories are dependent on the DUP, the political arm of the Orange Order. It is karma 🙂
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Verified account @tminear
3m3 minutes ago
Breaking: Matthew Guy says he had no idea that the woman whose Frankston cafe he visited this morning had a criminal conviction for cultivating illicit drugs. More details via @theheraldsun soon. #vicvotes #springst
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LR…this is right…all of these options are unacceptable for varying reasons, which is to say the decision has been made to terminate the status quo, but there is no agreement on what it should be replaced with, and nor can any agreement be crafted that will not actually just make everything much worse for everyone.
Alexander Zverev wins ATP finals, beating the “Fed Express” and the “Joker” on the way.
https://www.mail.com/int/sports/tennis/8858630-zverev-beats-djokovic-2-sets-to-win-atp-finals-tit.html#.1272-stage-mmm1-1
swamprat, the likelihood of any scenario except a hard Brexit is so low that I think everyone should be planning for exactly that. I read that the EU are willing to give Britain an extra 2 years to figure it out, but that would come at a financial and political cost, and so also seems unlikely to occur.
Zoidlord:
Guy seems to like the company of the mafia, criminals. The latter, although obviously accidental, sort of puts a dent in his tough on crime meme.
Give us a break!
Are we now expected to ask to see the proprietor’s criminal record before entering a shop?
Or is there some background story to this?
On another painful topic…
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/18/scientists-unravel-secret-of-cube-shaped-wombat-faeces
Late Riser
The two years (or indefinitely) would have the UK subject to all EU laws regarding trade and regulation etc without any input from the UK.
I do not think the UK political parties, including Labour, could accept that.
Fairfax reports on the growing concerns a 77 year old woman has about a nude beach in Byron.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-going-to-take-years-to-get-rid-of-the-ferals-nudist-beach-faces-closure-20181109-p50f4h.html
For more salacious details please catch A Current Affair tonight.
Am I correct in my thinking that Stokes sits atop the 7West Network?
The same Stokes, who with Murdoch called time on Turnbull?
And has the influence in the Liberal Party to deliver the outcome we all saw play out?
And now we have Costello sitting atop the Phoenix 9 Network which includes its subsidiary Fairfax
Liberal Party icons all, even allowing for their factions where they do not acknowledge each other
No wonder sites such as this are gaining traction
At the very least you know the rusted on bias of contributors and can dismiss accordingly including putting alternative views
Fulvio Sammut says:
Monday, November 19, 2018 at 12:15 pm
Give us a break!
Are we now expected to ask to see the proprietor’s criminal record before entering a shop?
Or is there some background story to this?
This is just another example of Lib ineptitude. The shop and its personnel are props in a story. These are not “random” events. They’re planned. The Liberals should know the credentials of their media props before they set up their gigs. If they don’t do their homework, they should expect things to go wrong.
A hard Brexit would be no worse than the austerity-induced suffering that the people of the UK already experience.
The UN rapporteur’s study into austerity-caused poverty in the UK highlights this truth.
Brexit gets all the headlines but decades of austerity is the real story here.
The “convergence criteria” of the EU focus only on inflation and interest rates, not on unemployment rates and poverty rates.
The EU is a big part of the problem.
swamprat says:
Monday, November 19, 2018 at 12:02 pm
If the House of Commons votes to reject May’s agreement and Europe refuses to renegotiate…. the UK will”hard” Brexit. I.e. with no agreement.
There is no majority for no deal; nor for May’s deal; nor for a soft-Brexit. There is no majority for anything other than the proposition that Brexit can not proceed without a meaningful vote. They are in no-mans land, shooting at themselves.
swamprat,
Yes. Hard Brexit. I expect family reunions in Australia and elsewhere will be popular.
Meanwhile, over at the banking RC:
‘Comyn doesn’t like the word “bonus”. He describes it as “short-term variable remuneration” –
the Guardian.
For the Irish the EU membership allowed free travel for people and goods and was also part of the solution. Brexit may well return them to bitter civil ‘unrest’.
Perhaps Guy was there to inform the small business proprietor that, in any government he leads, she would be in jail
In pre arranging their media exposure puppets – because they are pre arranged – you would think that back ground checks would have been attended at the least
And particularly by Guy given his pitch to the electorate on crime and lock them up
Yet he leaves himself exposed – now on more than one occasion
As I have put before I left a voluntary organisation because it engraciated with Guy, and he impressed me as having no substance or commitment apart from “I am the State Liberal Leader”, saying whatever he thought was popular and then disappearing until next time
I resigned
Waste of time and space
The question is why were bonuses paid?
For growing the book and cross selling?
Or for having $0- in the column for Bad and Doubtful Debt provisioning across the business you managed and introduced to the books of the bank?
That is the question
And it goes to culture
Surely performance is rewarded by promotion?
Sorry, but unless the story was about the cultivation of drugs, or the shopkeeper was presented as a paragon of moral rectitude, the fact that he/she has a past criminal record should not be relevant or publicised
Does a criminal record involving drugs preclude you from having or expressing a valid (or invalid) opinion on (say) transport issues?
I wouldn’t have thought so.
From my perspective, living on the Goldie, Guy seems to be a real tool. How he’s still in contention surprises. On the other hand, Andrews appear to have substance, and I’m not just saying that because I support Labor – well, I am a little bit.
Mavis Smith
I never read it, but I think the Melbourne Herald-Sun supports the Libs right down the line. Always good to have a Murdoch paper on side!!
Nicholas says:
Monday, November 19, 2018 at 12:26 pm
A hard Brexit would be no worse than the austerity-induced suffering that the people of the UK already experience.
The UN rapporteur’s study into austerity-caused poverty in the UK highlights this truth.
Brexit gets all the headlines but decades of austerity is the real story here.
This is absolute fucking rubbish. Those of us who are old enough know only too well what profound recession is like. The austerity imposed by the pre-Brexit Tory Party will be remembered with fondness as a time of relative prosperity if Brexit goes through.
Really, your entirely ideological misgivings about the EU have deluded you into thinking that the UK will prosper in a post-Brexit environment. This is complete fantasy. Complete and total fucking fantasy.
Ok so let me get this straight….
If I am correct, the UK and the Republic of Ireland are sovereign nations.
Both are in the EU customs union but neither are in the Schengen area.
So presently when you arrive from Europe to either the UK or the Republic of Ireland you need to clear immigration.
In the event of Brexit, the UK leaves the customs union. The Republic of Ireland remains in the customs union.
Now I get this correctly, crossing the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland would then involve a customs check (goods) but not immigration – since you have to clear immigration on arrival in the Republic of Ireland.
Am I correct?
Michael Koziol
Verified account @michaelkoziol
20m20 minutes ago
Almost every news story in Australia today is about wowserism: staffer sacked for sex tweets, punter fined for yelling at PM, cafe owner shamed for growing weed, health lobbyists shilling for the lockouts.
It just occurred to me, was this a Laura Norda set up interview?
If so, then sure, it was dumb not to ask the question.
Brexit may well end up being solved by the Northern Irish, who may just decide that Irish unification is the price of staying in the EU.