First up, note that there are new posts below this one the near-finalisation of the Queensland election result, and the Tasmanian state poll from EMRS.
With three new polls added this week, the latest reading of BludgerTrack suggests last week’s surge to Labor to have been an aberration. However, the seat tally has wigged out this week, with both Ipsos and Essential recording particularly bad results for the Coalition from highly sensitive Queensland, and Ipsos producing a profoundly off-trend 57-43 lead to the Coalition in Western Australia. These results respectively cause Labor to gain four seats, and lose five – maybe the Queensland result reflects the impact of the state election, but I think you can take it for granted that the Liberal gain in Western Australia will wash out over the coming weeks.
Newspoll and Ipsos both produced new data on leadership ratings, but the trend measures here haven’t changed much. A further footnote from the Ipsos poll: the respondent-allocated two-party preferred result was 52-48, compared with a headline figure of 53-47, which is the best result the Coalition has had from anyone other than YouGov for a while.
As always, full results on the sidebar.
Another 26mm with the storm last night. Let’s have a little moderation, please!
One issue that I can’t find any new reporting on, is the AWU vs ROC case. It was going to be before the Federal Court again this month. But I have seen no mention of it anywhere.
Lizzie
We have had a couple of months worth of rain in a matter of days! This after having had a dry spell and a heatwave. Sigh………
victoria @ #101 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 5:36 am
From memory it’s next week, the 15th rings a bell,
Barney IGD
Thanks!
We’ve copped a dry spell up here.
It didn’t rain yesterday!!! 🙂
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/labor-is-gagging-on-its-own-gloating-reflex-20171207-h00da1.html
Waleed Aly disappearing up his own bum.. He doesn’t identify as Rex does he??
Thanks, triton and adrian.
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Re: Howard photo
It looks like he is using his powers to control Alexander’s mind…either that, or he’s a zombie about to grab a bit of brain.
Talking about the rainbow flag.
https://www.facebook.com/MarkMcGowanMP/videos/1947467098604488/?fref=ts
lizzie:
Please send some rain over this way!
imacca
I don’t have much love for David Feeney, but am hoping against hope that somehow his renunciation does turn up. Just purely to shut up those smart arses
Bushfire. Bill @ #23 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 7:43 am
One would certainly hope so. Like reducing C02 emissions – but don’t hold your breath! 🙂
JA in the Howard photo looks like he wants nothing to do with Howard.
P1
…but if I held my breath, it would reduce CO2 emissions!!
Zoomster, I thought the photo was photoshopped! The perspective looks wrong. I was wondering if the Rodent had died and they had just cut and pasted an image of him into the photo.
zoomster @ #113 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 5:51 am
… but that would only be a temporary effect until you could no longer do so! 🙂
Holding your breath = primitive carbon capture and storage technique.
But like all CCS, eventually the carbon dioxide will be released/escape back into the atmosphere so at best a temporary solution.
PeeBee @ #116 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 5:56 am
You could breath out into plastic bags but then you would need to store them! 🙂
vic
Sounds to me like someone from the Labor Party admin got the form, filled it out and gave it to Feeney to sign and send.
After which he did … 4 letter word + all.
Vic
Mueller is following the tried and tested formula,going back to Watergate – follow the money.
The NY magazine expose you refer to on Flynn does exactly that. If Trump was personally likely to benefit from investment in Russia -or even attempted to – then he has committed a “ high crime and misdeamour”.
It is separate from any collusion with Russia to cripple Clinton.
It’s still looming as the worlds biggest political story next year – even bigger than Tony Abbott’s fabulous and riveting interviews on Sky or with Hadley. Imagine.
BigD, you could be onto something there. Breathing repeatedly into and out of plastic bag could be the solution to your emissions problems.
You could breath out into plastic bags but then you would need to store them!
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Ah. Carbon capture and storage.
Doyley
I hope Turnbull continues to gloat and boast for some time yet.
He is coming across as a complete prat claiming credit for the passing of the ME legislation. Let him go.
Brandis was in complete contrast, saying it does not belong to liberal, labor or any party but belongs to the people.
Its on the Hansard record that turnbull voted with 59 others for the liberal amendment to allow Defense personnel to discriminate against ME, right of refusal to marry (Broad amendment). This would have likely delayed ME until next year. That ME was not delayed until next year because of the turnbull supported amendment was due to labor and other supporters of ME voting against the amendment.
PeeBee @ #120 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 6:04 am
That’s not nice! 🙂
PeeBee @ #121 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 10:04 am
Well, if enough people did it it would certainly be a big help!
Boris @ #122 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 6:07 am
If I was Sales that would have been my first question last night.
Boris
Which is absolutely damned right. Once Truffles called the plebithingysurvey responsibility was given to the voting public. After that the pollies were just rubber stamps there to confirm the “will of the people” .Credit factor to pollies 1/2 ofSFA.
If any of those amendments had passed, the Senate would have had to vote for something it had previously voted against (from reports, the House & Senate amendments were pretty similar). That would have led to a game of chicken between Turnbull and Shorten. One of them would have had to to blink before the bill passed both houses. I suspect that Turnbull was itching to get just one amendment passed and then blame Shorten for the legislation failing to get through.
If you were Sales, I’d watch!
Bring back Sarah Ferguson!
No voters did indeed include those who are opposed to gay sex practices on personal or religious grounds.
Also there were those who thought Marriage Equality was a Trojan Horse for the introduction of Sharia law. Also included were those who, for whatever reason, believed that marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman.
There were also “Freedom” fighters, both religious and secular.
Still others believed that the poll was a product of Leftist politics and voted No as a tribal reaction to this.
Sometimes it was a combination of the above.
I met people from all walks of life who between them held at least one (and in some cases more than one) of the above views. Many held those view quite honestly and in good faith. Others, I’m not so sure of. It was difficult, but I tried to respect their views (not always successfully). The poll was about “respect”, and respect is a two-way street.
I am personally put-off by lots of activities in life. But I don’t generally seek to have them banned, believe they should be banned, or treat people who practice them as lesser human beings. The exception is when these practices which are personally not to my preference are thrust upon me. Even then I do my best to walk away and not have a confrontation. I’m thinking of religion here.
But being heterosexual, gay sex is also something that I steer clear of, almost by definition. It’s the way I am “wired”, just as being gay is the way that gay people are “wired”. Neither is at fault, or should be judged for their “wiring”. It’s just a fact, that’s all. The key point is that, while not being gay, and while not being interested in gay sex practices (in fact being put off by them due to my own wiring if placed in a position where I feel I have to choose), I also don’t wish to see gay people discriminated against in any way. Although my wishing it won’t happen doesn’t mean it won’t, at least I know my own position. I can’t see anything wrong with this. We all have things in our lives that are personally distasteful to us, but are subject to the privacy and personal preference of those who practice them. It’s how we react to them that counts. That’s why I had no hesitation in voting Yes, and have no regrets about doing so.
C@tmomma, you never forget anything, and in some ways that’s to your credit. But I really do wish you’d stop making catty remarks about me at every opportunity, in that nudge-nudge, wink-wink way you do it, and also by inviting yourself into polite and relatively reasoned discussions (in this case one I was having with Victoria) that have absolutely nothing to do with you and which don’t need your two-bob’s worth thrown in as a snark. I don’t do it to you and, if I did once, I’ve pointedly stopped long ago, and stated as such clearly and openly a few weeks back. I think you should show me the same consideration.
In other words, please leave off. I doubt whether anyone really gives a damn about these trolling and sniping campaigns you run.
I agree with Waleed Aly. This was a situation where all sides should have come together to agree a solution. The people deserve that.
A solution could have been reached where no party gained a political advantage prior to all the referrals and resulting bi-elections had been completed. We deserved that.
imacca
For all the big words in his lexicon, Aly doesn’t seem to understand the meaning of “conflate.”
Bores @10:07AM: This would have likely delayed ME until next year. That ME was not delayed until next year because of the turnbull supported amendment was due to labor and other supporters of ME voting against the amendment.
And that’s what no one in the media, as far as I can tell, is saying. If Malcom had his way, Marriage Equality would have been delayed by at least two to three months and a compromised version would have been delivered. Had the Senate rejected any amendments passed, Malcolm would have been instrumental in delaying it beyond the next election.
And it should be noted (which no one in the media is doing) that about three quarters of the “Liberal” party voted for these delays.
While we’re divvying up credit, I would like to add thanks to the Labor MPs who before the survey was called, would have been using their conscience vote to vote no.
Not a single Labor MP or Senator voted for any amendment.
Only 2 Labor Senators and no MPs voted against the final bill.
It shows a united team, in touch with the will of the people.
The Coalition by comparison looked like an absolute rabble.
VE, Labor MPs didn’t have a conscience vote on the amendments, only on the whole bill.
Fess
JA in the Howard photo looks like he wants nothing to do with Howard.
Yeah, I got that impression too. Don’t know why, howard loves campaigning and libs love him campaigning for them.
howard campaigned for handsie in the Canning by-election, tried hard, polls showing possible labor win and swing up to 11% until turnbull tossed abbott reducing swing to 6.5%
campaigned for simpkins in Cowan in last years federal election, Ann Aly won the seat.
Campaigned in WA election, not so good, libs lost some seats with a bit of a swing agin them.
Qld election, campaigned in Mt Ommaney, lnp candidate got 8.7% primary swing against them.
ME, invoked 12 horses of the pocky lips but peeps voted to destroy society as we know it.
Don’t think he campaigned in New England.
get him out and about every day in Bennelong, just keep krazy kev out of it, popped his head up last week, newspoll dips a couple of points and polling takes a turn in Bennelong
Triton @10:20AM: “I suspect that Turnbull was itching to get just one amendment passed and then blame Shorten for the legislation failing to get through.”
Triton*, I think you might have belled the cat. I think Malcolm may well have seen it as a win-win. Support amendments to keep in the Right’s good books, possibly while secretly hoping they’ll fail. Claim credit if Marriage Equality is passed this year (either because amendments fail or because the Senate very quickly rubber-stamps them). Blame Labor / Shorten if delayed.
*After the Sea God, the satellite of Neptune, the mollusc or the Mitsubishi 4WD?
Id like to thank the Labor MPs in Western Sydney who before the last election said they would vote yes to SSM and voted yes yesterday even when their electorates said no in the survey.
Lots of love to Louise Pratt and Penny Wong (and Rainbow Labor) for fighting this battle for 13 long years.
Lots of respect to Warren Entsch and Dean Smith. Thankfully we still have real Liberals of the small l variety left.
Lots of respect to the Greens for always being in favour and specifically Janet Rice for her work with Smith on his bill.
Lots of respect to Senators Hinch, Kasoche-Moore, Stirling Griff as well for their work on the bill.
Voice Endeavour @ #134 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 6:31 am
I agree with the position to vote down of the amendments, they basically had little to nothing to do with ME.
The Government just gave us a public insight into their joint Partyroom.
On the final conscience vote however it appears that some from both sides of politics valued their appearance to their conscientious position!
Boris
On Howard campaigning in WA you write “Campaigned in WA election, not so good, libs lost some seats with a bit of a swing agin them.”
That is a late entry for understatement of the year.
Waleed certainly raised a valid question about whether its really a good thing to have a change of government not because of any failure of policy or bad governance – but because of a quirky, archaic, and wholly outdated rule that is largely determined by the laws of other countries.
Boris @ #123 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 10:07 am
It’s a strange thing about Brandis. He is so unlikeable and easy to blame for the illiberal campaigns launched by his side, through him as Attorney-General, against human rights and genuine freedoms (especially from discrimination).
But a few times when he has been provoked to show his true feelings (especially the Hanson burka stunt) he has actually shown real honourable feelings that cause even his opponents to break out in spontaneous applause.
Trumble, on the other hand, for all his posturing and lecturing and outrage, when he is not putting on a mask and playing the mouthpiece for hire shows no feeling nor interest in anything but himself and his exalted position.
I wonder how Abbott will explain to the over 70% of his electorate that voted YES why he abstained.? Then again they have kept on electing him knowing what he is like.
(Since Abbott became PM, and thereafter since, my sister has a policy of not visiting or buying anything from a person or business that is in a coalition held electorate,even if it means that she pays more for the product or service or misses out on a social occasion. Her reasoning is that if the majority of people in those electorates prefer members of the ilk of Abbott and co, they can shove their services and products up their own proverbial.)
Big A Adrian @ #142 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 10:48 am
We are only in that position because the failure of leadership and judgement by Trumble in calling a DD last year.
Steve777 says:
*After the Sea God, the satellite of Neptune, the mollusc or the Mitsubishi 4WD?
The satellite of Neptune. I do have an avatar of Neptune with the moon, but I decided to hold on to the avatar that was automatically allocated to me here at some point years ago.
Waleed – you cease to be the govt when you don’t have the numbers in the house. I guess it’s also archaic to lose power when a couple of MPs have heart attacks. But that’s how the system operates. It doesn’t operate by giving govts a free lunch.
My good man. To be fair, the absolute rabble about which you so disparagingly write has been years in the making and only now is coming to peak rabble and deserves a little credit for the time and effort put into this, the LNP’s crowning achievement. 😵
“Waleed certainly raised a valid question about whether its really a good thing to have a change of government not because of any failure of policy or bad governance – but because of a quirky, archaic, and wholly outdated rule that is largely determined by the laws of other countries.”
No, he didn’t.
If the government changes, it will be from 3 things happening. If only 2 of them happened, the government wouldn’t change.
Archaic, terrible laws create by-elections.
The Coalition’s shit personality and policies cause them to lose the by elections.
The Coalition’s shit personality and policies alienate the x-bench that had previous guaranteed supply.
KayJay @ #147 Friday, December 8th, 2017 – 6:59 am
I can not take credit for that quote, it was part of Voice Endeavour’s post that I was responding to. 🙂