The latest ReachTEL poll for Sky News, conducted last night from a sample of 2399, has Labor with a two-party lead of 53-47, unchanged from the last poll on September 28. So far the only primary vote numbers we have are inclusive of a 9% undecided rating: at first blush, they suggest the Coalition on around 37.5%, Labor on 38.5% and the Greens on One Nation on 10% apiece, although forced responses of the undecided would probably bring the major parties back a little. Those figures should be forthcoming soon-ish.
The poll also finds Malcolm Turnbull leading Bill Shorten 51-49 as preferred prime minister, down from 52-48. Malcolm Turnbull’s performance is rated good or very good by 25%, poor or very poor by 40%; for Bill Shorten, the corresponding numbers are 28% and 38.5%.
uoi = you, sorry
What? After the initial weeks of Turnbull’s leadership, Malcolm has given every appearance of being totally enmeshed by it, and lately seems to have adopted it as his own. In fact the only non-Abbott things he’s ever done as leader was to abolish knighthoods and 10-flag press conferences. And now he’s reinstated the War on Renewables, gives Dutton what he wants and prosecutes an Abbottesque agenda of attacking and smearing his opponents.
The Real Malcolm is the one we see.
swamprat
Steelydan
You said nothing of the sort this is what you said.
yes it was the comment two after yours that is how it works on here.
[Steelydan
Peter Love.
Obviously I am not a lawyer but as far as I understand the law was written to stop people from having allegiances to a foreign power. Why would the High Court plunge the Australian Government into chaos, maybe even having to change the constitution, when it can stick to the spirit of the law and simply define the law better. It’s just the vibe of the thing.
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Chaos?
Any chaos that exists in the Government was there before any of the HC cases.
Reasonable attempts could be expanded to the discovery of citizenship.
This would not be unreasonable.
No change of the Constitution needed.
To me that captures the spirit of the Constitution.
My take:
1.It beggars belief that a senior minister and two of her senior staff met with the PM before QT , unprececedented in my view, purely because of some Opposition noise about Police being present at search warrants executed at a union HQ.
Why, I ask? Nothing to smell here surely. Why did Cash bring her two advisors? it would suggest an extraordinary degree of trepidation from the PMO.Seems very smelly to me. Espescially when both the PM and the Minister have been engaged in verbal contortions throughout the last two days avoiding questions about whether “the Minister’s office staff were aware of the raid”
2. I suspect both Cash and Turnbull know Cash’s office tipped off the media. It was alll going swimmingly, plausible deniability etc,, until God bless em, after five denials in Estimates, Buzzfeed went off topic from the MSM ground rules and threw a bomb.
3. Self preservation kicked in A sacrificial staffer offered up and ranks closd.
Did Cash know her office were complicit in the leak. Did Turnbull. You decide.
Steve777
‘The Real Malcolm ” was on display for all during his campaign to become the member for Wentworth. Nasty vicious campaign it was.
I don’t think the HC will make a ruling based on “the vibe”. But thanks anyway,
What about you Shelbell?
Rossmore,
The other thing here is, on finding out about the raid the staffer kept this good news, from Cash’s office perspective, to themselves and told no one in the office about them.
Why would he do this unless he had other instructions?
Steely
Once you approve activist judges in this citizen case, you more or less have to approve activist judges in many other situations.
Personally I am not too ken on activism in the unelected judiciary even when i like the result.
What I hope it that they define what reasonable means in the context of parliament. This in my view needs to be taking obvious and easy steps to check on citizenship ie the ones that any reasonable person would take. However they need to be say MORE stringent than the tests someone fills in for tax or a pension, given the role of parliamentarians as law makers.
They need to be people who can understand the laws they are making.
Now in my opinion Xenophon gets off – he was caught be a weird technicality that few would pick up on.
Roberts and Ludlam are gone
I think Nash is gone – it is common knowledge that people with a parent born in the UK can get UK passports, so it seemed obvious that she should have checked.
It is the same with Waters – she should have checked
Barnaby is less clear – NZ is not as common a citizenship issue as the UK.
Canavan – I really do not know.
peter love
I don’t think the HC will make a ruling based on “the vibe”. But thanks anyway,
What about you Shelbell?
Your turn.
a recent post on a Scottish blog… obvious Aussie connection.. 🙂
Rossmore:
Turnbull definitely has questions to answer in terms of his meetings with Cash. The Cash staffer also has questions to answer – where did he get the raid leak from?
Sadly none of these are likely to be answered anytime soon as the media moves onto the next drama, that being the HC ruling tomorrow.
Steelydan @ #197 Thursday, October 26th, 2017 – 9:42 pm
Because the HC’s job is to interpret the Constitution in accordance with the intent of its drafters, not with regard to what sort of consequences that intent will have on the government of the day (or anybody else).
If the HC considers whether or not its ruling will plunge the government into chaos as a factor in determining the ruling, then they’re doing it wrong. The law doesn’t change according to who runs afoul of it or how many other dominoes fall over when it’s properly enforced.
A R
“The law doesn’t change according to who runs afoul of it or how many other dominoes fall over when it’s properly enforced.”
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What a sweet thought!!
Maybe naive?
Maybe totally wrong?
Barney indeed. Having worked with Mins offices for years the news of an impending Police raid on a political opponent would have generated high fives and back slapping. There would be visceral joy, a perfect wet dream for any loyal Ministerial staffer…..
Cash’s claim that she only became coincidentally aware when it unfolded on live TV that she coincidentally happened to be watching at 4.30pm on a sitting day .. pull the other one ….
Haha
I agree with Steelydan
There is no way the HC will throw a Liberal Government into more chaos!!
Thanks for the C+ links John Reidy and KayJay
@ ItzaDream
Thanks for the link on oxycodone. I had the good fortune to have a doctor who treated painkiller addition as a medical problem, not a criminal problem or as a character failing. Seemingly most do not share the good fortune I had.
More rain and rumbling thunder here.
dtt
Don’t think they have to be to activist in this case but without activist judges, Roe v Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges both Abortion and SSM in my opinion would not have stood a chance within the electoral or parliamentary process (Federally anyway) in the US. Shellbell makes good points about Mabo and the Franklin. I think we are just tinkering around the edges with this one not even Ludlum is a foreigner.
Well, i have utter contempt for the “integrity” of the High Court judges ever since they pretended that s.92 requiring no taffiffs between the states also prevented the nationalisation of the banks.
Like most opiods Oxycodone is viscerally pleasant and comforting. And extraordinarily addictive. It has its use to treat severe pain but needs very careful medical handling/prescription.
tariffs
Oh by the way
Just to stir the possum a bit (OK t is a teeny bit trolly) I did say to Phoenix et all to be careful what they wish for.
The Russia gate thing seems to be having some blow back on Clinton, Obama and the FBI, given it is now known that Clinton paid for the “dossier.” It is quite possible that the FBI could come a gutser on it (possibly not Clinton.
Additionally of course the Clintons’ Russia uranium deal is getting a bit of unwelcome media attention.
And FFS please do not bother to defend either action – You may well be completely right, but it is the media image that matters and no amount of it being right or fair will matter or change the look of the thing.
I don’t think its going to dodge Summer Hill:
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR713.shtml
Voters on my site think the Cit 7 will all be booted on average except Xenophon.
I’d boot only Ludlam and Roberts, and I have seen some views that they might even bin Sykes v Cleary and not even go that far.
poroti
Lack of recognition of Aborigines in Australia ? Meanwhile over the Tasman Sea today….
“Diverse: 13 Maori and Pacific ministers sworn into NZ Government”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11937027
Of course, as in most other democracies where dual citizenship per se is lawful, dual citizens can stand for election in NZ, helping to ensure the Parliament draws its members very broadly from the body of eligible electors.
NZ does a much better job of including its Pacific Islander and Maori communities in its Parliament and Government than we do in Australia in relation to our recent immigrant and indigenous peoples. At the same time, Australia deliberately excludes many NZ-ers from becoming citizens. Citizenship law has been botched by the LNP and should be reformed.
Kevin
If they actually went back to the intent of the Constitution, rather than its legalistic meaning NOW, only Canavan would get he boot, the others all being citizen of the British Empire.
DTT
First point – Congress approved the uranium deal.
Second point – from Twitter, sums this up beautifully:
“Hillary Clinton colluded with the Russians in order to hack her own campaign, and the election, just to ensure that she would lose, and Donald Trump would win… How do people who believe this crap manage to tie their shoes every day?”
Some reading on the phony Clinton/russia/uranium story for you DTT:
http://electionado.com/canvas/1471905575849
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Kevin
If they actually went back to the intent of the Constitution, rather than its legalistic meaning NOW, only Canavan would get he boot, the others all being citizen of the British Empire.]
Was that the intent?
Or was it due to the fact that there was only citizenship of the Empire available to us?
Empire no longer exists and anything that gives relevance to it is an attack on our sovereignty as a nation.
Really, really bad news for Trump, Kushner, Cambridge Analytica, Julian Assange and Wikileaks:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-data-guru-i-tried-to-team-up-with-julian-assange
Gee, I wonder why this is?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/under-trump-made-in-america-is-losing-out-to-russian-steel
REPUBLICANS ARE PRETENDING THEY DIDN’T FUND THE TRUMP GOLDEN SHOWER DOSSIER BEFORE HILLARY CLINTON
http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-trump-russia-dossier-clinton-692664?utm_campaign=NewsweekFacebookSF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
AR
Just found the plugin and a well done to that person. One minor niggle, not being able to change the order to from oldest to newest, a bit of a bugger having too go to the end of the page and scroll up. As I said, a minor niggle
Longtime time lurker, second time poster (thanks William),
My info says Joyce will go. We have an office sweepstakes going on the resignation of Cash:
1. Today
2.Tomorrow (Sat)
3.In the next week
4.In the next two
5.Anytime after
I’ve put cash (ha) on 5. Thoughts?
I’ll put 5$ on 5.
ChkChkChk @ #235 Friday, October 27th, 2017 – 1:11 am
$5 on number 4
Sorry, didn’t mean to post anything!
Barry Reynolds @ #234 Thursday, October 26th, 2017 – 10:04 pm
If you click on the C+ icon in your browser it opens a menu. Try un-ticking ‘recent comments first’.
On the HC decision WTF knows what they’ll come up with?
All 7 of them ticked the box on the application form (demonstrating they’ll sign any old thing without a care in the world);
The law seems clear i.e. you can only have Australian citizenship;
If you have another renounce it using the other countries process (all of them have obvious reasons to know they could have foreign citizenship and if the foreign countries processes don’t allow this try anyway keep proof that you made a credible effort.)
They all should go except Xenophon who did make the effort.
6. Next time she can’t make it to her hairdresser.
Norwester @ #239 Friday, October 27th, 2017 – 12:37 am
Yes, exactly that. And then refresh the page afterwards to make the new settings take effect.
Watching european news.
This Puigdemont guy is a wanker.
Even Fox
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/democrats-republicans-poll-fox-news-voting-election-popularity-ballot-a8021616.html
He’s the Spanish version of Turnbull. No backbone whatsoever.
His people turn out, despite widespread and violent repression, to vote for independence. Then the Spanish government declares that they’re taking over. And the best he can do is meekly issue a suspended declaration of independence and call for two months of talks.
Total weakling.
The Catelonian state finances are a disaster I’ve read.
But I take that with a grain of salt … ‘cos “they would say that, wouldn’t they”.
Another KRudd. He doesn’t stop.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-wikileaks-julian-assange-cambridge-analytica-hillary-clinton-deleted-emails-a8020111.html
No bridges or Corgies involved –
https://www.indy100.com/article/sophie-tanner-married-herself-cheated-herself-affair-sologamy-8018651
Norwester @ #239 Friday, October 27th, 2017 – 1:37 am
Thanks for that, didn’t see the little C+ thingy up there