A big week of polling, with the weekly Essential, fortnightly Newspoll and YouGov and monthly ReachTEL landing all at once, and their combined effect is to shake the BludgerTrack aggregate out of its lethargy with a solid move to Labor. The two contributors to this were Newspoll, whose 53-47 to 54-46 movement this fortnight is almost precisely replicated by BludgerTrack, but also by ReachTEL, whose primary vote numbers were a lot worse for the Coalition than the 52-48 two-party headline suggested. All of which causes Labor to gain four on the seat projection, including one apiece in each of the four largest states. The Coalition has taken a particularly heavy hit on the primary vote, but it’s One Nation rather than Labor that has yielded the advantage. A new set of leadership numbers from Newspoll sends both leaders downwards on the net satisfaction trend, with Bill Shorten gaining fractionally on preferred prime minister.
P1 still in la la land.
Caption time!
“Now what was that saying, something about a rock & a hard place”.
Caption.
“Are you POSITIVE this is Australian rock?”
Well I think we are in deep trouble if Prime Minister Trumball has now gone for the leather jacket
zoidlord @ #951 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 7:18 pm
Those damned facts get you every time, don’t they zoidy?
@P1
I provided facts, everything LNP touches it turns brown.
Caption time!
“Must call P1 about this one”
zoidlord @ #956 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 7:26 pm
I don’t recall you providing anything other than snide comments.
mikehilliard @ #957 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 7:27 pm
P1 says “Don’t burn coal at all, you moron!”
“Are you sure there’s gold in here?”
I hear that there are a couple of impersonators on TV tonight.
One’s impersonating a journalist and one’s impersonating a Prime Minister.
Sales is that good, huh?
Watching Turncoat huff and puff. I wonder how long the clowns have to be in power before one of the CPG magic circle jerk club says ‘if that was so obviously bad of Labor, why have you lot done nothing for four years?’
Interesting tactics by the government this week. Dutton going after the lizard brains with Turnbull going after the “progressives”, or what passes for them in Liberal land. Are they trying to show they can walk and chew gum too, just like Labor?
Wonder what event is going to make it all come crashing down this week. Maybe they’ll even get through the week without a disaster? Based on recent experience I don’t think so.
Wait, Adrian thinks Sales is doing a good job?
Leigh is trying hard but the waffler is fully engaged with his own marvellousness. Turned off.
@P1
You dont provide anything.
Samantha Maiden @samanthamaiden
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PM has told 7:30 report the wind doesn’t blow everyday and the sun doesn’t shine and this may not interest the ABC
zoomster @ #940 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 6:58 pm
Gold!!
Mathew Ling @lingtax
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Hey @TurnbullMalcolm, the snowy was Chifley’s signature achievement. Get your own. #abc730 #auspol
P1 really needs to be careful with his facts.
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WOW, Turnbull’s aggressive/defensive behaviour toward @leighsales on #abc730 a clear sign he’s under pressure and losing the plot. #AusPol
I said she was impersonating a journalist, not that the impersonation is necessarily a good one.
Watching with the sound off is bad enough as the smirk smirks as if his life depended on it.
Just fled from the alleged leader of the Turmoil Government on TV: I simply cannot stand that fellow’s blather!
Good evening all,
I hope Turnbull continues to push his ” success” in reducing power prices and his ongoing talkfest with energy suppliers.
The more Turnbull rambles on about how he is reducing electricity prices the more he digs a hole for himself. He has promised to reduce prices and has locked himself in with no room to move.
Meanwhile, the lived experience is something completely different. Turnbull will not be judged kindly.
Cheers.
zoidlord @ #967 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 7:46 pm
Your posts are a perfect synthesis of obscurity and irrelevance.
The wind blows all the time – not necessarily everywhere at any given time. And the sun only shines when it’s above the horizon. Proponents of renewable energy know this, and know that we need to plan and build energy infrastructure around these facts. So why do coal apologists state this as if it would be a new, startling revelation that makes renewable energy unviable? Rhetorical question.
mikehilliard @ #957 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 7:27 pm
😆
Never go against a Poll Bludger when electricity is on the line.
Been reading this site on mobile today but its impossible to write a properly post whilst mobile.
Specifically on the issue of Snowy 2.0
I’m torn. I share the cynicism being levelled at this project. However I’m also an engineer and its a project that’s been around for a long time. Lets get one thing clear first. When it comes to energy storage systems there are actually two quite different things we are paying for.
One of those is stored energy. Or capacity.
The other is power.
For me one way to characterise a stored energy system is to think in terms of how many hours it can deliver its stored energy for at peak power
A lot of the debate here seems to confuse the two.
Apparently Snowy 2.0 would increase peak power by 2GW.
However the capacity (energy stored) of Snowy 2.0 is very large. It amounts to weeks of energy supply at peak power.
Is that a good thing? That’s the thing that doesn’t get debated here.
For me there are two regimes we need to be investing in. One is energy storage with a ratio of capacity to power of a few hours. In other words the sort of system you’d invent to account for the difference between peak power in a photovoltaic system (early afternoon) and peak load (right after work). The other energy storage you might need is the energy storage that accounts for diurnal cycles. Overnight power basically. Or in some cases to make up for a shortfall that lasts for a day or two. So we’re talking about energy storage systems with a ratio of capacity to peak power of about 24 hours.
You nee more of the former than the latter. But you need quite a lot of both. Not enough to run the entire grid for days like some naively think. But quite a bit. Many GW worth.
Now, is Snowy a crap scheme? No. Its a sound bit of engineering and it will work nicely for a long time. My main concern with it is that its investment in a system that has too high a ratio of energy stored to peak power. I’d feel happier about the investment in Snowy 2.0 if it were delivering 10GW instead of 2GW. That would make a serious difference to energy security. Not that 2GW is to be sneezed at either. Its just that we have to come to terms with the question that really needs to be asked.
How much of each type of storage do we need (relatively short vs somewhat longer term) and what’s the most cost effective way to get both? I think the jury is still out on that one. And I think that the government ought to be properly funding research into exactly that question.
I suspect battery storage has a role to play. So too does solar thermal (longer storage). I also think pumped hydro will find its niche, but if I were designing a pumped hydro system it would have Snowy Hydro 2.0 type power level but with a fraction of the storage. What’s expensive with Snowy 2.0 is the sheer length/size of the tunnels needed. In other places you can design pumped hydro with much more reasonable sized pipes for the equivalent power level.
Bottom line here is we should be answering the question of what else we can build. But it does faintly annoy me that people are writing off Snowy 2.0 entirely as if its just a political football. Well, its being used like one. But itd be really nice to see the actual engineering. I somehow suspect that given the economics of modern tunnel (TBMs etc) it might be possible to up the power level to more like 5GW for only an incremental cost. That might make it better value.
In terms of corporate strategic cock-ups the Murdochs must be in the running for this year’s first prize for their failed attempt to snare ownership of Ten Network:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/murdoch-scores-owngoal-on-ten-network-20170828-gy5l5e.html
Steve. The sun only shines on TV. Aha said so.
The Turmoil government 🙂
@P1
My posts have revelence while yours don’t.
Because your defence of hydro is based on a scenario that doesn’t exist yet, and Turnbull said this is all about storage and tell Shorten to shut up like it’s all over red rover type deal.
So for those of who didnt watch, did Sales do a decent job on 7.30? Did she do a better than normal?
Turnbull ignoring easy way:
http://amp.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/power-companies-rebuke-turnbull-government-over-clean-energy-target-20170828-gy5i4m.html
Haven’t seen it, but this is good enough for me:
Sales would have to do a totally different job to her normal job for me to even to begin to like her
Turnbull do nothing Government (haven’t we been here before?!?):
Michelle Rowland @MRowlandMP
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Turnbull says we have to kill media diversity to save TEN, then complains when administrators do their job.
Oh dear lol:
@SkyNewsAust
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Peta Credlin says @TurnbullMalcolm’s push for Snowy Hydro is just an expensive PR opportunity. #auspol MORE
zoidlord @ #988 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 8:28 pm
Well, she’s the expert.
ajm @ #901 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 3:45 pm
I’m really going to enjoy it when someone on Facebook does a juxtaposition of Turnbull vs Shorten on Q&A,
Digital Rights Watch @DRWaus
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Our investigation into @GillianTriggs’ metadata reveals quite a lot about her personal movements. #MWF17
Tanya Plibersek @tanya_plibersek
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PM @TurnbullMalcolm says on @abc730 that his greatest achievement is Gonski. Hang on… @AustralianLabor policy minus $17 BILLION in cuts!
Player One @ #947 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 5:12 pm
Brian Trumble said it would cost $2b in his presser, shortly after someone pointed out that $1b of grid upgrades were required in addition to the $2b nominated in Brian’s presser, thus the 50% blowout.
Malcolm blamed Labor for all his failures, and rudely talked over Sales. And waffled on.
Sales failed to ask about NBN, Manus/Nauru, shrill overeach by JBish and Cormann, Trump….
But did let him waffle on about energy policy, in short, its all Labors fault; S.44 hypocrisy: 18 Newspolls; SSM – but we learnt nothing new.
And what is Malcolm’s signature policy? Gonski 2.0!!!!!!
And what is Malcolm’s signature policy? Gonski 2.0!!!!!!
Yep. Labor did the hard yards = Gonski 1.0
And Turnbull embroidered around the edges = Gonski 2.0
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/opinion/sunday/trump-our-child-king.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
I have no sympathy. The Republicans had all those months to derail candidate Trump from a POTUS bid, but failed to act. They are now reaping the consequences of their inaction.
With Sales, it is not a matter of “like her’ or not – as some would have it. She is just not all that good at what she does. If only some of them (like Sales) would adopt the “Hard Talk” approach as practised by the BBC it might help. Sale’s problem for mine is that she wears her heart on her sleeve as it were. Soft interviews for some and attempts at hard interviews for others. Hence she is accused of “foot rubbing” in some instances and from time to time, it looks just like that. Her “tough” persona I find unconvincing.
Is Turnbull on Qanda tonight or not? Their tweets indicate it’s Brandis, Burke, Lambie and others. No clarification of whether MT is appearing.
sprocket_ @ #993 Monday, August 28th, 2017 – 8:45 pm
Hey, she didn’t have enough time to delve into all of those.
This is a recurring theme on PB, expecting every program to cover every possible topics especially ones favourite hobby horses. Well it will never happen.
I prefer to see two or three topics well done rather than a shotgun approach.
Fess
Highly unlikely
Ides:
Just reading an earlier PB comment that suggested MT “might make it” to Qanda.