The Guardian reports Essential Research has Labor’s lead bouncing back to 54-46, after diminishing over recent weeks to 52-48 a week ago. The changes on the primary vote are rather striking by the standards of Essential’s fortnight rolling average, with Labor up three to 39% and the Coalition down two to a meagre 34% (UPDATE: Make that down one to 37% – that didn’t include the Nationals). The Greens are down a point to 9% and One Nation are steady on 8%. Essential’s monthly leadership ratings record Malcolm Turnbull up a point on approval to 38% and down three on disapproval to 46%, with Bill Shorten down one to 35% and down two to 42%, and Turnbull leading 41-27 to prime minister, unchanged on a month ago.
Other results related by The Guardian include 43% approval for a postal plebiscite on same-sex marriage, with 38% disapproving; 43% support for a parliamentary conscience vote, with 31% disapproving; 46% favouring a plebiscite in conjunction with the next election, with 34% disapproving; and 22% in favour of delaying a decision until after the next election, with 55% opposed. Forty-one per cent approved of Labor’s propose to impose a 30% tax rate on distributions from discretionary trusts, with 30% opposed. On Labor’s plans to overhaul the Fair Work Act, 39% rated that the existing system favoured employers compared with 12% for employees, and 29% who believed the interests of the two were balanced.
The same-sex marriage non-binding plebiscite reminds me of the BREXIT vote, when David Cameron couldn’t control Boris Johnson. That worked out well, didn’t it?
https://twitter.com/latingle/status/894811867679346688
Might as well add euthanasia to the ‘things to do a postal plebiscite on’ list.
Barney in Go Dau @ #495 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 4:47 pm
I think I am beginning to understand why Australia does not have same sex marriage, and probably won’t for a while yet.
What he said:
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scorching-malcolm-turnbull-quotes-resurface-as-push-for-samesex-marriage-postal-plebiscite-grows-20170802-gxnpn0.html
Thanks for that link William. Interesting. I’m also struck by the long period of voting. I believe I heard the voting process starts Sept 12 and runs till mid November or something.
I would predict that in the end those supporting SSM will mobilise, which may well involve them personally placing letters in Australia Post mail boxes on behalf of millennials who probably don’t even know where they are – or if they have seen them, what they are.
Bemused: You’re showing your age rather. I would have been about 10 at the time but have no recollection. Do you think the telephone poll was done by a private company or the Government? Lost in the mists of time I suppose. Was it considered a fair way to get a reading on public opinion?
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Might as well add euthanasia to the ‘things to do a postal plebiscite on’
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Treaty ?????????
Anti – Dumping glass/rubbish in Qld ?????
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Barney in Go Dau @ #495 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 4:47 pm
If they were exactly the same then they would share exactly the same name.
I think I am beginning to understand why Australia does not have same sex marriage, and probably won’t for a while yet.]
Let’s try this
Women can ride on the public bus, but they must sit at the back.
Is that equality?
Just heard on news – its not Mathew Guy – its Mafia Guy
Barney in Go Dau @ #507 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 5:04 pm
This is not ‘exactly the same’, is it?
P1 “I think I am beginning to understand why Australia does not have same sex marriage, and probably won’t for a while yet.”
Yes because John Howard changed a few words in the marriage act and people like Abetz and co won’t change them back.
If the plebiscite will be run by the ABS rather than the AEC, do they have access to the electoral roll?
I know the ABS have extraordinary powers but does it include access to the electoral role for – for the purpose of sending (for some people) unsolicited mail?
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Barney in Go Dau @ #507 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 5:04 pm
Let’s try this
Women can ride on the public bus, but they must sit at the back.
Is that equality?
This is not ‘exactly the same’, is it?]
Yes,it is.
In both cases you’re allowing full access to something but then dividing them from others with the same right.
I’m trying to catch up, not having seen Four Corners.
Glass is made up from silicone sand, no? A naturally occurring product which is everywhere.
If glass is finely ground up and dumped in an unused mine or some such, what is the problem?
I must have missed something.
Barney in Go Dau @ #512 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 5:10 pm
If I reserve the front seats on a bus for men only, that’s neither ‘full access’ nor ‘equality’, is it? A better example would be if I provided an equal number of buses for men only as for women only. That would be equality, wouldn’t it?
So, Roberts is GONE??
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P1 “I think I am beginning to understand why Australia does not have same sex marriage, and probably won’t for a while yet.”
Yes because John Howard changed a few words in the marriage act and people like Abetz and co won’t change them back.]
Actually little Johnny did us some favours as he allowed the HC to confirm that Parliament can define marriage as it sees fit.
At the same time his changes to the Marriage Act in defining marriage made no difference to their ruling in the ACT case.
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Barney in Go Dau @ #512 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 5:10 pm
[In both cases you’re allowing full access to something but then dividing them from others with the same right.
If I reserve the front seats on a bus for men only, that’s neither ‘full access’ nor ‘equality’, is it? A better example would be if I provided an equal number of buses for men only as for women only. That would be equality, wouldn’t it?]
Gee P1, I thought I was obvious.
Ever heard of Rosa Parks?
Malcolm Roberts would be a great loss to the Senate!
AEC officials will be seconded to the ABS, the Government says.
Gareth @ #510 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 5:10 pm
Howard’s change is just as easily changed again. But by making this change he wedged his opponents … who are still fighting over whether they really want ‘marriage’, or ‘equality’.
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AEC officials will be seconded to the ABS, the Government says.]
Policy on the run.
They don’t make things easy for themselves.
Professor Brain Cox would be loading his twitter finger about now…
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/a-122m-election-without-politicians-an-utter-failure-of-politics-20170808-gxrmo0
No Laura, not a failure of politics.
Try again and see if you can properly identify the utter failure.
Give you clue – lives in a harbourside mansion, no spine evident.
Barney in Go Dau @ #518 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 5:19 pm
Yes, I have. You are confusing ‘equality’ with ‘discrimination’.
Fulvio
I think the point of the 4 Corners show was that it takes less energy to recycle glass than make new glass from sand and sand mining can be environmentally damaging.
JOHN BOY
So, Roberts is GONE??
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Gone Troppo – irrational behaviour of a person suffering from the effects of living in tropical heat. ….. but climate change, nah ….
Shorten should come out and say now that regardless of what happens with the plebiscite Labor will revisit the subject of SSM immediately on winning government.
Indeed PRed, there’s Emperical Evidence to suggest you’re correct.
Thaks, Mike, I was obviously looking at it from the opposite direction, ie that the “dumping” was the problem, not the waste of energy and mining damage.
The plebiscite could be a blessing in disguise by encouraging young people and the left-leaning to register on the electoral roll. Karma!!!
Endless corruption in LNP:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-08/bruce-billson-sorry-for-not-disclosing-salary-from-lobby-group/8785174?pfmredir=sm
bk
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve already supplied the the roll as it is today.
No new enrolments, no changes of address.
With the dodgy nature of the postal plebiscite what could stop them doing that?
zoidloid
Not even Motormouth Bilson can talk his way out of this “oversight”!
BK @ #531 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 5:33 pm
Excellent point!
mikehilliard
Fulvio
I think the point of the 4 Corners show was that it takes less energy to recycle glass than make new glass from sand and sand mining can be environmentally damaging.
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The amounts are staggering too – Australia consumes about 1.36 million tonnes of glass packaging per year: wine and beer bottles, glass jars and containers.
Glass consumption is at its highest in New South Wales, which produces about 460,000 tonnes of used glass per year.
Barney
Shorten should ask in QT what electoral roll version would be used for the mail out.
What’s the difference between Matthew Guy and Tony Madafferi?
The crime organisation Madefferi belongs to is organised.
What’s the difference between Matthew Guy and Tony Madafferi?
The crime organisation Madefferi belongs to is organised.
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ratsak
That’s a cracker!
I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this today.
Finally America will hear the truth.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-08/donald-trump-launches-real-news-series-on-facebook/8784748
Barney
So Trump is launching REAL Fake News?
Barney in Go Dau @ #540 Tuesday, August 8th, 2017 – 5:43 pm
So Trump now has his very own propaganda outlet? America is in worse trouble than we thought!
If you’re a homeless person living in a tent in Martin Place, the Liberals do this to you:
If you’re the CEO of a large bank that facilitates money laundering by drug runners and terrorists, the Federal Treasurer rings you for a nice chat.
I can just see the letters page equivalent in Trump’s new real news channel will be write ins by primary school children.
BK
Barney
So Trump is launching REAL Fake News?
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‘It’s not real and it’s not news’: Tapper rips former CNN colleague McEnany for joining Trump’s propaganda unit
Noting a conservative website called the broadcast “propaganda, straight out of North Korea’s playbook,” Tapper lashed out McEnany’s new gig after sharing a clip.
“It’s not real, it’s not news, and it is definitely not real news,” he summarized.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/its-not-real-and-its-not-news-tapper-rips-former-cnn-colleague-mcenany-for-joining-trumps-propaganda-unit/
Modern America – a reality show based on the Simpsons.
One for DTT …
Q: Why is Kim Jong-un more dangerous than Donald Trump?
A: Kim Jong-un’s hands are big enough to press the nuclear button.
Fraudband and affordability don’t mix,
Just like Housing and Affordability:
http://theconversation.com/lack-of-internet-affordability-may-worsen-australias-digital-divide-new-report-81823
Under LNP.
“Malcolm Roberts would be a great loss to the Senate!” He’s certainly one of the finest minds on the conservative side of politics in this country.
Lambie attacks Robberts:
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/08/08/roberts–citizenship-claims-disputed.html