The weekly Morgan multi-mode poll finds the Labor primary vote slipping three points to 38.5% and the Greens up 1.5% to 10.5%, with the Coalition up half a point to 41.5%. That translates to 52-48 to Labor on respondent-allocated preferences, down slightly from 52.5-47.5 last week. The change is sharper on the generally more useful two-party measure which distributes preferences according to the previous election result, with Labor’s lead down from 52-48 to 50.5-49.5.
Meanwhile, today’s Essential Research has the Coalition down a point for the second week in a row to 44%, with Labor steady on 39% and the Greens up two to 9%. After shifting a point in Labor’s favour on the basis of little change in the published primary votes last week, two-party preferred remains at 51-49 despite more substantial change this week, suggesting the result has moved from the cusp of 52-48 to the cusp of 50-50.
Essential also finds 61% approval for the government’s new asylum seekers policy against 28% disapproval, and concurs with Galaxy in having the two parties almost equal as best party to handle the issue. Labor is favoured by 25% (up eight on mid-June), Coalition by 26% (down 12) and the Greens by 6% (down one). Asylum seeker arrivals are rated the most important election issue by 7%, one of the most important by 28%, quite important by 35%, not very important by 16% and not at all important by 8%. The poll also has Malcolm Turnbull rated as best person to lead the Liberal Party by 37% against 17% for Tony Abbott and 10% for Joe Hockey, and also includes further questions on workplace productivity.
[I should vote for the ALP?
Why?]
Why should we support your desire to have people drown?
[You seem to be saying that it is justified for the ALP to be cruel because the LNP made us do it.
Is that right?]
Is it right for you to want people to drown?
[You do criticise the Rudd relaxation policies in 2008, don’t you?]
Are you asking or telling?
[I am just sticking to my views]
Yes you are sticking to your view that people should drown and you couldn’t care less about them.
[The more you talk about moral superiority]
OK, I will talk about moral inferiority. You are morally inferior because you want people to drown.
[Are you?]
No I don’t want people to drown.
[You must have wanted people to drown,]
No I don’t want people to drown. Stop spreading lies because you are embarrassed about wanting people to drown.
Sean Tisme
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink
What will happen to the economy and savings if interest rates are cut again?
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it will be a great boost
Fran, would you have known Jeff McCarthy? He was a dear friend of mine in the 70s before the Sparts got him.
Somebody should tell Christine Milne not to smile.
Its kinda freaky :devil:
Lateline now doing American voting story
MM
[Fran, you’re not Bill Manakakis are you?]
Nope … nice guy, but no.
Mod Lib (male) $1.20
Mod Lib (female) $4.50
Pegasus (female) $1.01
Pegasus (male) $51.00
Mod Lib is droll and self depracating. He’s a bloke.
JV @ 1679
Twisted mind.
You can run and hide and deflect all you like ShowsOn:
If you have changed your mind to support Rudd’s change of mind, then (according to your own warped logic) you used to support people drowning.
OUCH!
Hoist on your own petard! :devil:
…poor old ShowsOn does it to himself almost every night!
Milne would scare godzilla…
Rossmore, eh …
The biggest problems is the instability created by the Liberal Party and their constant lies about the position of our economy, debt, productivity ets
[Somebody should tell Christine Milne not to smile.
Its kinda freaky :devil:]
As freaky as wanting someone to drown?
Holy shit, Fran. I thought the Spartacists were blood in, blood out.
ShowsOn
Forgive me, but what on earth are you going on and on and on about? Can’t you just make your own point rationally rather than just repeating relentlessly the same stupid accusation against MLib? It’s more than a little troll-ish.
Yep, Christine Milne smiling is real freaky.
Give me SHY crying any day.
Rossmore:
[Weren’t the Spartacists the Rosa Luxemburg mob? She was pretty prescient IMHO]
Yes and no. The name was certainly chosen to honour Luxemburg and Liebknecht and their break from the SPD’s defensism in WW1, and subsequently, their contribution to the possibility of a revolutionary end to WW1.
[jaundiced view
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 11:07 pm | PERMALINK
ShowsOn
Forgive me, but what on earth are you going on and on and on about?]
ShowsOn has a conscience and it is crying out for air but in a battle to the death with the pragmatic ShowsOn which is holding the conscience under water so as not to disturb things on this brief run into the election.
This pressure is manifested in the projection about me wanting people to drown because I don’t support rendition like he does.
Searching for a word to describe Abbott’s recent press appearances I have settled on ‘flusterred’. The confidence seems to have deserted him.
Out of curiousity.
Any here who are both ALP and Essendon fans?
If so how do you feel about the boss of Toll being elected the boss of Essendon?
I’m not having a shot at you, because Amanda Vanstone is on the board of my club, I’m just curious.
[You can run and hide and deflect all you like ShowsOn]
Whereas you don’t want people to be able to run or hide, you just want them to drown.
[If you have changed your mind]
Oh! SO is that the problem! You are proposing that you are morally superior because you have consistently supported people drowning!
We are meant to give you bonus credit for this!?
How morally screwed up are you?
[poor old ShowsOn does it to himself almost every night!]
You don’t have a clue which policies I have and haven’t supported!
But we all know that you have consistently supported people drowning.
And I again, I notice you don’t even want to go near the whole issue that it is the Liberal and National parties that blew up the 25 year old bipartisan consensus on this issue.
You pretend to be morally superior, and then you still go along and support the Liberal party who made this whole issue the political minefield it is.
In sum, you have no morals.
@Sean/1697
To use a borrowed term off Howard “Interest rates will always be lower under Labor”.
Psephos:
[Fran, would you have known Jeff McCarthy? He was a dear friend of mine in the 70s before the Sparts got him]
From GSG — he was as I recall, one of the nicest fellows you could meet.
Also Luxemburg and Liebknecht died gloriously (if pointlessly) for the revolution, and the Sparts were mostly lonely upper-middle-class kids who passionately wanted to do the same to give some meaning to their sad little lives. (I say this as one who became a Maoist in 1971 for much the same reasons, except as a Maoist you didn’t have to read theory.)
Or borrowed Phrase.
AbsoluteTwaddle
[Holy shit, Fran. I thought the Spartacists were blood in, blood out.]
I’m unclear on what you mean here.
It will be interesting tosee how much of a toll on the talents of headline writers the latest flap about Abbott’s Nauru expansion takes.
Goodnight 🙂
[From GSG — he was as I recall, one of the nicest fellows you could meet.]
Indeed. They turned him into a repressed joyless robot. I don’t know what’s become of him: nothing good I fear.
All these accusations of members wanting UA’s to drown is getting boring and pretty low. I think we are following the political parties down the sewer. PB is better than that.
[ShowsOn has a conscience and it is crying out for air but in a battle to the death with the pragmatic ShowsOn which is holding the conscience under water so as not to disturb things on this brief run into the election.]
Ha! More of your psychobabble! You really must be mentally (as well as morally) fucked up to spend your time dreaming up such nonsense.
[This pressure is manifested in the projection about me wanting people to drown because I don’t support rendition like he does.]
You do want people to drown. You haven’t proposed a single policy idea to avoid people drowning.
zoidlord
[But yet want to attack the Budget, so those who are at risk including those on Centerlink (RE: Pensions, DSP etc).
Is at risk.]
Some groups of voters are more important than others.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-29/veterans-promised-better-military-superannuation-pension-benefi/4851736
[Australia’s veterans have achieved the near impossible in an election year – acknowledgement from both sides of politics they need better benefits in their retirement.
Over several years the Defence Force Welfare Association (DFWA) has argued the current indexation rules for military pensions are unfair.
The Coalition has promised to improve the indexation of military pensions and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd will today try to match the Opposition with his own funding boost.
Until recently Labor has been reluctant to commit any more money in the area.]
Contrast with the treatment of single parents.
But it’s good to see bipartisan support for a pension increase.
In an election year, some people rate higher on the priority list if it is thought that their votes matter.
Fran 1718 Christopher Hitchens in his early days was a Spartacist. His conversion to a more contemporary social democratic ideal was shared by many.
[All these accusations of members wanting UA’s to drown is getting boring and pretty low. I think we are following the political parties down the sewer. PB is better than that.]
I agree. Except for the fact that Mod Lib actually does want people to drown.
The Spartacist League are a cult-like Trotskyist groupuscule whose followers are so wild-eyed, dogmatic and aggressive in pursuit of a communist utopia Trotsky himself would move away from a member who sat next to him on a bus.
I’m sure Fran was different though.:3
[ShowsOn
Forgive me, but what on earth are you going on and on and on about? Can’t you just make your own point rationally rather than just repeating relentlessly the same stupid accusation against MLib? It’s more than a little troll-ish.]
I’m just stating a fact. Mod Lib is OK with asylum seekers drowning.
He hasn’t once presented a policy alternative that would avoid this situation.
Psephos
[and the Sparts were mostly lonely upper-middle-class kids who passionately wanted to do the same to give some meaning to their sad little lives.]
That certainly wasn’t so in my case nor could it describe most of Sydney or the Melbourne OC at the time.
I shall join you all anon. Goodnight.
Rossmore
I sincerely doubt Hitchens was a Spart. A Trotskyist yes, but an actual Spartacist League member, no.
Rossmore
[Fran 1718 Christopher Hitchens in his early days was a Spartacist.]
No, he was a Cliffite (British SWP) …
[Fran 1718 Christopher Hitchens in his early days was a Spartacist. ]
No, he was in IS, not the Sparts.
@Peg/1732
Interesting, Coalition previously said “Age of Welfare” has ended.
Myself I am more concerned with the lack of Automatic Portability, where by you can move to any country.
(with UN disability rights convention ignored).
Centre,
Why the preoccupation with wanting to know the gender of a poster?
Pseph true but his hero was Rosa L.
[Centre,
Why the preoccupation with wanting to know the gender of a poster?]
It doesn’t matter if Mod Lib is a man or a woman, either way he wants people to drown.
Fran Barlow
“I’m unclear on what you mean here.”
I was under the impression it’s about as easy to become an ex-Spart as it is to become an ex-Scientologist.
Rossmore@1693
Hi Rossmore, you were the centre of attention earlier today when there was a photo of an old guy heckling Abbott. I reckon it was you as it was down your way. 😉
[jaundiced view
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 11:18 pm | PERMALINK
I shall join you all anon. Goodnight.]
Goodnight. Time for my much needed but usually ineffectual beauty sleep too.
I think it is only fair to give ShowsOn some time to come up with a reason how he was not a supporter of drowning using his own logic 🙂
Hehe, aint karma ace?
My personal journey was heavily influenced thru involvement with Big Flame in the late 70s …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Flame_(political_group)
Not sure there was an Oz equivalent ….
An AMerican lefty friend of mine once put this well:
“Maoists? Hey, at least you can talk to Maoists. Spartacism?? Thats not a political tendency – its a mental disease!”