The weekly Morgan multi-mode poll finds the Labor primary vote slipping three points to 38.5% and the Greens up 1.5% to 10.5%, with the Coalition up half a point to 41.5%. That translates to 52-48 to Labor on respondent-allocated preferences, down slightly from 52.5-47.5 last week. The change is sharper on the generally more useful two-party measure which distributes preferences according to the previous election result, with Labor’s lead down from 52-48 to 50.5-49.5.
Meanwhile, today’s Essential Research has the Coalition down a point for the second week in a row to 44%, with Labor steady on 39% and the Greens up two to 9%. After shifting a point in Labor’s favour on the basis of little change in the published primary votes last week, two-party preferred remains at 51-49 despite more substantial change this week, suggesting the result has moved from the cusp of 52-48 to the cusp of 50-50.
Essential also finds 61% approval for the government’s new asylum seekers policy against 28% disapproval, and concurs with Galaxy in having the two parties almost equal as best party to handle the issue. Labor is favoured by 25% (up eight on mid-June), Coalition by 26% (down 12) and the Greens by 6% (down one). Asylum seeker arrivals are rated the most important election issue by 7%, one of the most important by 28%, quite important by 35%, not very important by 16% and not at all important by 8%. The poll also has Malcolm Turnbull rated as best person to lead the Liberal Party by 37% against 17% for Tony Abbott and 10% for Joe Hockey, and also includes further questions on workplace productivity.
[Gary
….Yeah, and you’ve voted for it in the past and would do so if Turnbull was leader. Go figure eh?]
…as did you by that logic! Haha 🙂 The ALP has supported everything the LNP has done and then ramped it up even further with rendition policies!
Hoist on one’s own petard, eh?
[Christine Milne to be interviewed on Lateline]
Thanks for the warning Peg.
[ShowsOn
Richard Dawkins may have coined the word “meme” in his award-winning book, but it would appear that it has taken on a life of its own since then, and is being used so confusingly and across a wide range of so-called definition as to make it quite useless, if it was ever useful in the first place.]
You STILL don’t know what you’re talking about!
Sean – it is “good” to see you commenting.
Have to got a response to my question as to why you consider the Australian economy is a disaster?
or are you still working on it?
@Colvinius: BBC prog rapped for rightwing bias: http://t.co/nws8hWVnhX via @mediaguardian
Centre
🙂 I’m not going anywhere. I’m simply supporting a fair go for displaced people, and accept the international laws and ethical approach we accepted without question until the last few years. If that makes me appear ‘extreme left’ then there are no genuine ‘extreme leftists’ here.
It says more about where the old parties have gone – and those on PB they have taken with them – than it says about me.
[…as did you by that logic! Haha 🙂 The ALP has supported everything the LNP has done and then ramped it up even further with rendition policies!
Hoist on one’s own petard, eh?]
So what you’re saying is you don’t care how many people drown and die, so long as the Coalition wins the next federal election.
And if Malcolm Turnbull is made leader you couldn’t care less if he supports the current Government’s policies.
And yet you claim to be morally superior to us all!
You really are a hopeless joke (who likes it when people drown).
Grouped together with JV, Fran and Mod Lib – Thank you for the compliment 🙂
[Hoist on one’s own petard, eh?]
And not just me eh? Thanks for the admission. BTW I’m not the one criticising others for their inconsistencies.
@washingtonpost: EPA official: Fracking caused “significant damage” to drinking-water aquifers in Pennsylvania town http://t.co/2lA9Z2vg3G
[Pegasus
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:40 pm | PERMALINK
Grouped together with JV, Fran and Mod Lib – Thank you for the compliment]
Aw shucks, now you are making me feel petty for wanting to be in the top 3.
On second thoughts I am more than happy to be #4 to you lot! 🙂
You’re not a clean skin on this AS issue ML. Stop making out you are.
Plane full to leave Christmas Island for Manus now, tonight.
Marbles mouth Milne coming up on lateline.
Time to hit the hay.
Pegasus
[Grouped together with JV, Fran and Mod Lib – Thank you for the compliment]
Cheers! 🙂
According to Mod Lib, the Liberal Party could adopt any asylum seeker policy it wanted if Malcolm Turnbull was leader.
Including drowning people.
Mod Lib
You are less loony.
The three above you want the government to provide transport for all asylum seekers wishing to call Australia home in their thousands on a weekly basis.
Fran wants the government to buy the Pacific Pearl and the Pacific Jewel.
Pegasus insists in addition to the above, that we resurrect the Fairstar.
And JV wants to buy back Quantas to be used exclusively to transport all asylum seekers all over the world here to Australia.
😀
Pegasus wants
If the Guardian thinks the BBC is right-wing, just wait until it finds out about the ABC!
[You’re not a clean skin on this AS issue ML. Stop making out you are.]
I think that’s his problem, he thinks letting people drown is a morally defensible position.
Nothing personal ML, but politically, I’d sooner not have you as a fellow traveller. I’d like to think the feeling was mutual. 😉
Mod Lib,
I am not competitive. Happy to drop down to #4 lol
Bill Heffernan helped get Sussan Ley up as the member for Farrer- Tim Fischer’s old seat. The Nats were not amused.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/12/1026185109813.html
[Mod Lib
You are less loony.
The three above you want the government to provide transport for all asylum seekers wishing to call Australia home in their thousands on a weekly basis.]
Whereas Mod Lib wants them to drown?
[ShowsOn
…..
So what you’re saying is you don’t care how many people drown and die, so long as the Coalition wins the next federal election.]
It may surprise you to know that while Abbott is leading the LNP I don’t have any problem with Rudd being relected PM. I think he is a smarmy schmuck, but then again, Abbott is not my preferred PM so its a rock and a hard place!
[And if Malcolm Turnbull is made leader you couldn’t care less if he supports the current Government’s policies.]
Couldn’t care less? Huh?
If Turnbull tries to out nasty Rudd by sending them to PNG and then whipping them (who knows what is next in the plans for nastiness?) I will absolutely criticise Turnbull.
Unlike some of you folk, I prefer Turnbull, but I don’t hero worship him or anyone else. He is just better than the current offerings……by a LONG LONG WAY.
If he does things I don’t like I will criticise him. If he turns into Abbott, I will criticise him ferociously (as that is worse than just being Abbott IMO).
[And yet you claim to be morally superior to us all!
You really are a hopeless joke (who likes it when people drown).]
Morally superior? That sounds like you feel guilty about something.
Do you want to get it off your chest here?
Centre
Regional processing including in Indonesia and flying some AS to Australia is a long term Labor goal.
The aim is to have no boats and no detention centres with all the costs involved.
Its the best solution economically and humanely
You left out TtF&B Centre, … who has the most radical position of all of us on borders … 😉
Fran (or TTFAB):
Which are?
[Speaking as someone who was… a member of the Spartacists from 1978]
Well THAT explains a great deal. Don’t tell me you’re Pippa Norton, I’ll just die laughing.
psyclaw
[Plane full to leave Christmas Island for Manus now, tonight.]
Good idea. Get that malaria into them straight away and make their women abort. That will make those fleeing Afghanistan tonight in fear of their lives think twice and stay there to accept persecution or death gracefully. Rich, queue-jumping, country-shopping bastards. The temerity of seeking asylum here by boat out of despair. Why don’t they man up?
[It may surprise you to know that while Abbott is leading the LNP I don’t have any problem with Rudd being relected PM.]
So you should vote Labor.
But you won’t, because you are a clown and a hopeless joke and you can’t admit that it is the Liberal Party and National Party that blew up the bipartisan consensus on asylum seeker policy that existed for something like 25 years.
[f Turnbull tries to out nasty Rudd by sending them to PNG and then whipping them (who knows what is next in the plans for nastiness?) I will absolutely criticise Turnbull.]
Turnbull hasn’t voiced ANY concerns or reservations about the PNG policy.
When did Turnbull voice any concerns about the Pacific Solution? Why didn’t he support Moylan, Broadbent, Georgiou, Troeth, Washer et al?
You’re not actually morally superior you just pretend you are.
You’re morally reprehensible, because you want people to drown, that’s quite different.
Shows On
Exactly, that’s why Mod Lib can’t crack the top three, coz he wants people to drown 😆
Kidding 😛
TTFAB wishes to do away with the idea of nations.
Shows, arguing that the option of boat travel should be left open does not mean one wants or doesn’t care that people drown. That argument relies on the assumption that there is an easily identified alternative without problems that is being deliberately ignored. Can you point to a solution for the world’s 40 million displaced persons that doesn’t come with problems?
Shame they weren’t very lucky and got to a place where they could buy false documents to get on a plane to seek asylum here on arrival. Then they’d live in the community until assessed. Can’t help bad luck where Australia is concerned.
My criticism of both Major Parties is that….
With both parties don’t care about the costs of policies with Asylum Seekers.
But yet want to attack the Budget, so those who are at risk including those on Centerlink (RE: Pensions, DSP etc).
Is at risk.
Fran, you are right.
Tom first best is in. Mod Lid, bad luck, you are relegated to 5.
TFB is no.4 🙂
Fran back later TV beckons
[Shows, arguing that the option of boat travel should be left open does not mean one wants or doesn’t care that people drown.]
Mod Lib does want people to drown. She hasn’t said otherwise once.
[Mod Lib does want people to drown. She hasn’t said otherwise once.]
Is Mod Lib a she?
[ShowsOn
….So you should vote Labor.]
I should vote for the ALP?
Why?
[But you won’t, because you are a clown and a hopeless joke and you can’t admit that it is the Liberal Party and National Party that blew up the bipartisan consensus on asylum seeker policy that existed for something like 25 years.]
You seem to be saying that it is justified for the ALP to be cruel because the LNP made us do it.
Is that right?
[Turnbull hasn’t voiced ANY concerns or reservations about the PNG policy.
When did Turnbull voice any concerns about the Pacific Solution? Why didn’t he support Moylan, Broadbent, Georgiou, Troeth, Washer et al?]
He hasn’t been a public fighter for asylum seeker issues, fair enough. I never said I liked Turnbull BECAUSE of his asylum seeker views. However, I have heard him say things in public that show he doesn’t think we need to be nasty to them, and most of the factors were push factors. He did criticise Rudd for relaxing the asylum seeker policies which I imagine you must fully support given your current position.
You do criticise the Rudd relaxation policies in 2008, don’t you?
[You’re not actually morally superior you just pretend you are.]
I am just sticking to my views and pointing out that you have flipped and flopped.
The more you talk about moral superiority, the more I wonder whether you are feeling guilty about something.
Are you?
[You’re morally reprehensible, because you want people to drown, that’s quite different.]
You must have wanted people to drown, according to your own logic, in all those years before you flip-flopped to support the Rudd flip-flop!
OUCH- egg on ShowsOn face again (how many times have I done that to you now 🙂
Psephos
[Well THAT explains a great deal. Don’t tell me you’re Pippa Norton, I’ll just die laughing.]
She probably wouldn’t. She wasn’t big on smiling, or emoting much at all. She was one seriously intense woman. She really took the whole cadre organisation thing to heart.
Turnbull represents nothing. He makes the souffle Andrew Peacock seem like a Christmas pudding.
Weren’t the Spartacists the Rosa Luxemburg mob? She was pretty prescient IMHO
[Is Mod Lib a she?]
No idea.
[DisplayName
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm | PERMALINK
TTFAB wishes to do away with the idea of nations.]
Count me in on that too….in the long term though, not straight away….
Fran, you’re not Bill Manakakis are you?
“Vote Communist. Vote Spartacist. Vote Bill Manakakis”
How we laughed. Tee hee. Ho ho. Will the snows ever end … (Young ONes quote from the same period)
What will happen to the economy and savings if interest rates are cut again?
[Psephos
….
Is Mod Lib a she?]
The contents of Mod Lib’s genitalia have never been revealed in public.
DN
[TTFAB wishes to do away with the idea of nations.]
So do I. I just see it as radically premature, and thus utopian. The material and political resources needed to achive such a thing and make it stick simply don’t obtain right now and I doubt anyone reading this right now will live long enough to even see it on their life horizon.
oops achieve …