YouGov: 51-49 to Labor (open thread)

Labor keeps its nose in front on two-party preferred in the final YouGov poll for the year, but the good news for them ends there.

The final poll of the year from YouGov, which will return next year as a regular three-weekly series, finds Labor with a steady 51-49 lead on two-party preferred based on preference flows from the previous election, despite recording their lowest primary vote of any poll since the election. Labor is down two points on the last poll to 29%, their day saved to some extent by a two point rise for the Greens to 15%. The Coalition is up one to 37%, while One Nation is steady on 7%. Anthony Albanese is down four on approval to 39% and up five on disapproval to 55%, while Peter Dutton is down one to 39% and up one to 48%. Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister is in from 48-34 to 46-36. The poll was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 1555.

I have recently started adding YouGov and RedBridge Group polling to the BludgerTrack poll aggregate, which doesn’t seem to have caught all the way up with the recent slide in Labor’s fortunes. In the case of the earlier three YouGov polls (though not yet the latest one), the poll data feature incorporates an array of unpublished breakdowns by state and various demographic indicators.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. FUBARsays:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:20 pm
    Boring War

    You support posters posting defamatory things on Poll Bludger?
    ————————————————————————
    You claim something defamatory was posted in this post below. I don’t see what your problem with it actually is. All that is said is Cash has serious question to answer over misleading the court. It doesn’t specify what those question are or claim she actually mislead the court. It just says questions have been raised and she needs to supply some answers over them.

    Aaron newtonsays:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:07 pm
    it seems Michaelia Cash has searious questions to answer if she mis lead the court she is in trouble if she was a labor mp she would have resigned in 2016

  2. FUBAR says:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:11 pm
    Scott says:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 3:57 pm

    You’re wrong. You wrote:

    “Cash said she did not know anything until February 2021

    Cash knew in October 2019”

    That is potentially defamatory.

    There is no evidence that she new before February 2021 and the secretly recorded conversation supports that:
    ——————–
    How is it defamatory
    and where is the no evidence that she didn’t knew

    Brittany Higgins claimed she spoken to cash , during october 2019 and cash knew before February 5, 2021

  3. William Bowe @ #1583 Tuesday, December 12th, 2023 – 6:58 pm

    I think the average fair-minded person would categorise “middle-eastern nutjobs” as straightforward racism.

    In your opinion of course.
    What would you catagorise an Australian born nut job in the context of a crime figure who had lost the plot and believed they were untouchable yet killed and maimed others with impunity.

  4. ” i was giving an example where the accepted science was actually very wrong – despite having almost universal support.

    For someone so clearly intelligent, your interpretation of context is very poor.”

    Well it isn’t a surprise that science, which by its very nature seeks to teach better understanding, actually does. It is kinda a foundational point.

    This genius point is a bit like the fact that Wednesday follows Tuesday until we amend the calendar.

    The possibility that science may advance and discover something, say for arguments sake a tipping point with a massive negative feedback look that undoes entirely the current climate science isn’t a good reason to fail to act on and in accordance with current best understanding.

    Taking that one step further there is obviously also a risk that science will advance and discover tipping points with massive positive feedback loops making what is already, according to current credible sciences ‘urgent need to act 10 years ago’ even worse.amd more urgent.

    As dumb as pouring petrol on the fire currently burning in your house because future fire fighting might put out the fire.

    So you might need to be a little more patient with people who don’t understand your position.

  5. Aaronsays:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:27 pm
    well we do know cash new a lot more then Caty Gallagher but it didnt stop thethe liberals triying to get her sacked over a leakedtext mesigemaybi the so called mean girls are renyolds and cash
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    It is pretty well established that Reynolds lied when she claimed that Kitching told her that Labor had weaponized the case. Around 2 weeks before the allegations were aired on TV. We know now that Gallagher was the only one that was told and that was 4 days before the allegations aired not 2 weeks. Kitching always denied Reynold’s allegations and claimed that she only found out when she read it on News.com the day the allegations were aired. All information that has come out since then supports Kitching’s and not Reynold’s version of events.
    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/late-senator-refuted-linda-reynolds-higgins-claim-in-letter-before-her-death/news-story/15f2ef2639c5e11adf2b14332613cd8d

  6. FUBAR

    I never said Barry Marshall had anything to do with Climate Science. i was giving an example where the accepted science was actually very wrong – despite having almost universal support.

    For someone so clearly intelligent, your interpretation of context is very poor.

    Not at all. There are many examples where the accepted wisdom has been wrong. A good example is Dr Joseph Goldberger, who solved the puzzle of what caused Pellagra, using epidemiology.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra

    The difference is, that in both the Pellagra case and the Barry Marshall case, no actual epidemiology / rigorous scientific research had been used in formulating the prior opinions.

    I think what you are trying to use is proof by mathematical induction : going from the specific to the general. (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_induction)

    So, if there is one case where the accepted wisdom was overturned, therefore all cases with accepted wisdom will be overturned.

    This only works for logic: where you have precise control over what your words and symbols mean.

  7. FUBAR says:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:50 pm
    Scott

    “where is the no evidence”

    Oh, FFS.
    —————-
    well prove it
    Ten producer gives evidence
    RELATED ARTICLE

    On Tuesday, The Project’s producer, Angus Llewellyn, was called to give evidence by Ten. He told the court he listened to the recorded call before the broadcast.

    Lehrmann’s barrister, Matthew Richardson, SC, asked Llewellyn: “What you were putting to air was that Ms Cash had known about this since 2019, correct?”

    “Ms Higgins had told us that Ms Cash had known earlier,” Llewellyn said. But he said The Project broadcast made clear Cash’s office disputed this, and Ten published “full statements” online.
    ———————————-

    That doesnt suggest it shows Cash did not know , but disputing the claim

  8. If Kitching had admitted knowing, she would have been in even deeper shit with the Mean Girls than she already was.

    So, filed under “she would say that”. A politician covering their arse – who would have ever thought of that?

  9. FUBAR says:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:55 pm

    If Kitching had admitted knowing, she would have been in even deeper shit with the Mean Girls than she already was.

    So, filed under “she would say that”. A politician covering their arse – who would have ever thought of that?

    Indeed, which is how Penny Wong launched herself onto the cabinet table and personally beheaded Kimberley Kitching herself with her Hattori Hanzō sword and intimidated everyone present into accepting her leadership in the Senate, at least that lines up with the anti-Labor bullshit propaganda line, if we want to play with stupid conspiracies tonight.

  10. wouldn’t this be a so-called mean girls/boys episode in the Lib/nats

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-08/peter-dutton-no-concerns-about-kylea-tink-claim-feeling-unsafe/102830580

    Federal Opposition Leader Peter Dutton says he has no concerns about an independent MP’s claim that she felt confronted in parliament by a member of the opposition.

    Key points:

    North Sydney MP Kylea Tink says an opposition MP yelled at her aggressively in parliament on Wednesday
    She says she did not feel safe during the debate and division
    Peter Dutton says he’s satisfied with the opposition member’s account of the exchange
    At the end of question time on Thursday, North Sydney MP Kylea Tink revealed that after a division on the previous sitting day, an opposition MP allegedly yelled at her aggressively.

  11. FUBARsays:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:55 pm
    If Kitching had admitted knowing, she would have been in even deeper shit with the Mean Girls than she already was.

    So, filed under “she would say that”. A politician covering their arse – who would have ever thought of that?
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    We know Kitching couldn’t have known 2 weeks before the program was aired like Reynold’s claimed. As we know the first time Higgins told any part of her story to anyone in the ALP was 4 days before. Which makes Reynold’s claim of 2 weeks a verified lie. We also know that Gallagher would not have told Kitching anyway. As they weren’t political allies within the Labor party. There is no evidence that Gallagher even told her political allies within the ALP like Wong or Keneally. Why would she tell Gallagher. As Kitching says in the article i posted:

    “Simply put, it is not possible to divulge information to anyone about a matter of which I had no knowledge,” she wrote.

    “I had never heard of Ms Brittany Higgins or Senator Reynolds’ involvement in her story until it was first reported on 15 February 2021 on news.com.au.

    “Moreover, it is not possible to divulge a secret plan which did not actually exist. It has not been Senator Wong’s practice to divulge her secret plans, if she ever has any, to me. I am not in the habit of confiding with Senator Wong either.”

  12. FUBARsays:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:55 pm
    If Kitching had admitted knowing, she would have been in even deeper shit with the Mean Girls than she already was.

    So, filed under “she would say that”. A politician covering their arse – who would have ever thought of that?
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    A pretty dumb argument i must say. If Kitching feared these so called “mean girls”. Then you would think she wouldn’t have told Reynolds anyway. That would be the best way not to get in trouble with them. As it turns out she didn’t know anything about it at all. Which is the real reason she couldn’t have told Reynolds what Reynolds claims she did.

  13. From the sounds of it the Rwanda vote is going to get up in the UK, only because the Right wing nutters want to have a go at altering it in the committee stage. However, it might just be Sunak’s people spreading that to convince them to go down that path.

  14. Ms Tink appears to have chosen the wrong profession if she expects Federal Parliament to be the equivalent of a yoga class. She was rightly being held to account for her hypocrisy after being elected on a platform of more Government transparency and then voted with the ALP to cover up and protect a Minister.

    ALP Politicians never yell at anyone in Parliament,ever. Apparently.

    I have to give it to the ALP and the leftist – they learnt that character assassination works and are trying it against Dutton at every opportunity. The old mud sticks philosophy in play.

  15. FUBAR@6.49pm

    Thank you for answering my post.

    I know enough about the General Theory of Relativity to know that it doesn’t explain everything and that scientists continue to try and work out how to answer the areas that it doesn’t fully answer.

    You are correct in saying that the General Theory of Relativity does not explain everything – and you will get the Nobel prize for discovery if you can come up with a GUT (Grand Unifying Theory). Actually, I think my grandfather said that about finding some cups in his cupboard, but you get the gist.

    However, General Relativity explains everything it sets out to explain. It has been tested many times, and every time it passes the test. No one has come up with a single test that falsifies General Relativity. See e.g https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity.

    Do you trust you GPS? It relies in the theory of General Relativity being true (i.e. applicable in the space-time context in which you use it).

    Not actually being too supercilious here, but if you were in a high-speed spacecraft to Mars, because of the corrections to GPS because of General Relativity, your GPS would probably work.

    As we have seen with many areas of theoretical physics such as the Higgs Boson and Gravity Waves the theories are subsequently proven somehow.

    They are proven “somehow” because physicists have spent decades using mathematics, and experimentation, to find theories for how things work that are falsifiable: it only takes one example of a theory being falsified for it to be chucked in the bin.
    So “proven somehow” means that 1) they were not falsifiable, and 2) eventually shown to be very, very likely (about 4.5 sigma for the Higg’s Boson , if my memory serves me well).

    So, let’s look at Newtonian mechanics (circa 1700), which explains all we need to know about how rockets are launched into space.

    General Relativity comes along with a more encompassing explanation for how gravity affects mechanics.

    Does this falsify Newtonian Mechanics? Not at all. General Relativity actually proves Newtonian Mechanics, as a subset of General Relativity.

    And so to theory of human induced climate changed – yes, CO2 has thermal properties that result in the Green House effect – which has historically lagged by 600-800 years – so it hasn’t been a driver in the past – and whether it is actually driving climate change now and the sensitivity of climate to CO2 concentration in the face of other major drivers such as land clearing, clouds and the biggest driver of all – the oceans – is still a theory.

    You say “yes, CO2 has thermal properties that result in the Green House effect – which has historically lagged by 600-800 years – so it hasn’t been a driver in the past ”

    This is incorrect.

    CO_2 levels have been a driver of the temperature on the Earth:

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide#:~:text=Without%20carbon%20dioxide%2C%20Earth%27s%20natural,causing%20global%20temperature%20to%20rise.

    Also, scientists, for the least 100 and more years, have predicted that the increase in atmospheric CO_2, due to the Industrial Revolution , would lead to an increase in average world temperatures.

    This has happened at every point that the scientists predicted.

    What more evidence do you need?

  16. “they learnt that character assassination works and are trying it against Dutton at every opportunity”

    The projection is strong in this one.

  17. Natural sciences:

    Study empirical phenomena in the natural world

    physics, astronomy, chemistry, biology, earth science

    Social sciences:

    Study empirical phenomena in the social world

    economics, political science, psychology, sociology, anthropology

    Formal sciences:

    Study abstract forms / structures / representations

    Mathematics, logic, statistics, computer science, theoretical linguistics, decision theory, systems theory

    Humanities:

    Study fundamental questions asked by humans

    Use comparative methods, aesthetic criticism, source criticism, speculative reasoning

    History, philosophy, languages, linguistics, literature, visual arts, performing arts

  18. Next we will be hearing from FUBAR how Lord Moncton discovered a cure for AIDS.
    After which FUBAR will extol the simply amazing scientific credibility of Plimer.

  19. FUBAR (essentially) says:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:42 pm

    Turrturrturr, stupid woman, thinking she can replace a man in parliament, should go back to stupid woman things like yoga classes, how dare she get in the way of sensible common sense manly masculine right wing politics.

  20. Unless the UK cut ties with the the European Convention on Human Rights the Rwanda Policy will fail again. Sunak deserves to lose the next election. He is a dilettante like Turnbull who is a weather vane – not a Conservative. If COVID hadn’t buggered up Johnson’s PMship they would have left the ECHR and stopped the boats and told the EU to shove it on the NI protocol farce by now and they would be smashing UK Labour in the polls, again.

    Just a shame that their second chance of a real Conservative under Truss was killed off by the establishment- but they are now implementing her tax cuts.

  21. “Just a shame that their second chance of a real Conservative under Truss was killed off by the establishment …”

    Right … this is surely a spoof account, isn’t it … isn’t it?

  22. Douglas and Milko @ #1557 Tuesday, December 12th, 2023 – 6:18 pm

    FUBAR,

    According to Wikipedia:

    Barry James Marshall AC FRACP FRS FAA is an Australian physician, Nobel Prize Laureate in Physiology or Medicine, Professor of Clinical Microbiology and Co-Director of the Marshall Centre at the University of Western Australia.

    So, Barry Marshall is a PHYSICIAN, NOT a PHYSICIST.

    PHYSICIANS generally do not have a lot to do with the differential equations needed to understand how climate change works. And in fact, it is likely that Barry Marshall did only one year of physics, 1st year, specifically tailored to not use much in the way of any calculus.

    He has a Nobel prize in Medicine: I am sure he is an expert in whatever very narrow field of research he pursues, but that tells us noting about what he knows about physics or climate science.

    We have a fantastic visitor, Frank Wilczek who gave a colloquium about Physics Education, an area he researched with his wife. He asked us to listen to him, not because he had a Nobel prize in physics (2004), but because he had done the research in physics education.

    He told us that after you win a Nobel prize, people ask for your comments about all sorts of things, assuming you are now an authority on everything.

    He has a great biography: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2004/wilczek/facts/

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2004/wilczek/biographical/

    p.s. Itza when looking at back posts I did see a comment about your struggles with Physis 1C(?), later Physics DMV? I also heard from my aunt about the course, although she probably preceeded you by some 10 years.

    All I can say is that we did not teach physics very well back then – arcane language, no attempt to help students actually understand physical principles in an intuitive way.

    But at least back then Medical students did physics. Now they do not.

    I had two really lovely Medical students who came to do 1st year physics over summer, in 2003, as an extra, non-credit course. They were from Nigeria I think, really lovely men, and their government was paying for their medical degree.

    They were planning on working in the regions, and would need to take their own medical monitoring devices (ECG, EEG, ultrasound etc.). They would need to interpret the results themselves, and if the equipment did not work, they would need to fix it themselves. I hope they did really well.

    And, then there are the engineers. When Engineering at Sydney University decided that engineers would no longer do 2nd year physics, Harry Messel quipped that “Not only will engineers now not know why their bridges fall down, they will not even know why they don’t fall up”.

    Great example FUBAR. Barry Marshall got lucky once (and the guy that did the real work Robin Warren didn’t – he didn’t get to clear the Helicobacter pylori like Barry did) & is a standing joke amongst his peers – which include me.

  23. FUBAR:

    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:20 pm

    [‘Boring War’]

    His nom de plume is Boerwar. After all, no one, save for me, refers to your former alias of Bucephalus. You should come clean.

    ________________________________________

    Lars, Cronus hinted some time ago that he has health issues. I hope he returns to the blog in due course. A former senior army officer is not normally associated with the Left, which makes him interesting.
    ________________________________________

    For some years now the US Supreme Court has been suffering a public confidence crisis – currently at 41% approval. It will have the chance soon to redress same by behaving in a manner befitting a court that has a proud history – think of Marshall, CJ’s tenure.

    Trump claims he had complete immunity while in office. This is absurd in the extreme; for it would mean, for instance, that he could walk down 5th Avenue and shoot anyone at will & not be brought to book. He’s simply playing for time, hoping that if his numerous trials are delayed, and if he were to be ensconced in office, he would either pardon himself or have a lackey in the D of J bring to a halt his manifold indictments. This is sure madness!

    I note that numerous legal scholars have been sounding the alarm bells, including but not limited to the eminent scholar Laurence Tribe. Their message should not go unheeded. I’m sure Melania intends to make regular Sunday visits to Rikers Island, with a saw/chisel embedded in the cake. Or she might just piss off.

  24. RHWombat.
    Shortly after Marshall there was a Perth Urologist who used to present at local meetings his breakthrough theory that benign prostatic hyperplasia was an infective process.

    Needless to say his name is still not ringing bells in Stockholm.

  25. rhwombat – the only Nobel Prize winner to be considered a joke – no one else? Nothing to do with supporting an argument against someone and something you disagree with. Apparently.

  26. “ Unless the UK cut ties with the the European Convention on Human Rights the Rwanda Policy will fail again. Sunak deserves to lose the next election. He is a dilettante like Turnbull who is a weather vane – not a Conservative. If COVID hadn’t buggered up Johnson’s PMship they would have left the ECHR and stopped the boats and told the EU to shove it on the NI protocol farce by now and they would be smashing UK Labour in the polls, again.

    Just a shame that their second chance of a real Conservative under Truss was killed off by the establishment- but they are now implementing her tax cuts.”

    ______

    Don’t worry Neidermeyer, Suella Braverman still marches with her Marshall’s batton (or is it a cosh?).

  27. William – correct – caused by the Establishment. A combination of the Home Office and Treasury spooking markets with forecasts of doom.

    Exactly the same reason why every attempt to stop the boats has been stymied by the UK Public service.

  28. Boring War

    Can’t say I’m a fan of either Monkton or Plimer. They probably do more damage than good, unfortunately – Monkton mostly by just being a complete pompous twit.

  29. FUBAR, not being a unreconstructed socialist like yourself, I find it a bit hard to believe that the aggregated wisdom of global capital markets counted for nothing in the face of a line laid down by a few bureaucrats in London. Once again though, it’s fascinating how absolutely the turns the culture wars have taken over the past decade have led you to abandon everything you ever pretended to believe.

  30. FUBAR, the Conservative Party of the UK has been in power for (checks notes) 13 years and 7 months. Are they really so gormless that they cannot control the very Establishment that so many of them are so deeply connected to or embedded within, in all that time? No wonder you are calling for their electoral annihilation at the next general election! I wholeheartedly concur with you in that wish.

  31. ‘FUBAR says:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    Boring War

    Can’t say I’m a fan of either Monkton or Plimer. …’
    ———————-
    They are your people. Past their use-by date are they? Spit them out?

  32. Boerwar @ Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 9:37 pm

    ‘FUBAR says:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    Boring War

    Can’t say I’m a fan of either Monkton or Plimer. …’
    ———————-
    They are your people. Past their use-by date are they? Spit them out?”
    ===========================

    Time for a different mask, to suit different times. ‘Twas always thus with conservatives, to hide their unchangingly frozen hearts and fossilised minds.

  33. I find it interesting how the Liberal Party and their followers have created whole cloth out of a dead person.

    Dead men tell no lies, and dead women can’t tell the truth either.

  34. Macarthur

    The Establishment in the UK has changed from being the landed gentry to being the Oxbridge Social Scientists beholden the gods of the EU, globalism and ecofascism.

  35. William Bowesays:
    Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 4:26 pm
    So the real question we need to ask here. Is this a 45% regression to what they would have become anyway without the Army career?

    I’d have though the real question was whether the 45% figure had any basis at all. Here’s a study on the matter in The Lancet, which finds 17% of male military personnel in the UK record criminal offences over their lifetimes, or 11% for violent offences, and that deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan had no effect on the latter independent of other factors.
    ————————————————————————
    I have scan read the Lancet article. There doesn’t seem to be a control group for comparison used init. So we can’t tell how there 17% would compare to the rate of similar demographic weighted sample from the civilian public. It is lower than the general rate but that includes the unemployed and others init that wouldn’t be used to compare with fully employed military personnel in a proper comparison. The data that probably best suggests what may be the case here is Figure 3 in the article. Which shows the rate of violent crimes by combatant and non-combatant military positions. I will assume that non-combatant military positions are jobs like cooks, doctors, nurses, engineers, mechanics, supply truck drivers etc. So overall a fairly broad range of jobs. So this is probably the best we will get for a control group that may match that of general civilians. So in the data fig 3 it appears combatant military positions are around 3 to 4 times more likely to offend violently than non-combatants. I also note in the discussion they put this down to those who choose combatant roles as more likely to be more aggressive people who are also more likely to display risk taking behaviour also. This seems to be backed up by the findings that being in a brutal war makes no difference in their rate of criminality. Suggesting the main determinant of criminality is not due to what they experience in the job but the sort of people who went for the job in the first place.
    While it appears that the 17% figure is a combined figure which includes both non-combatant and combatant military. I could not find a figure in my scan reading of combatants alone. Though the data presented in Figure 3 suggest it would be significantly higher than 17%.

  36. FUBAR says:
    ‘40 years since the AUD was floated in the face of massive opposition from Unions and the Left’

    Priceless! 🙂

    “Over the next few months, the newly appointed Governor of the Reserve Bank, Bob Johnston, openly encouraged Hawke and Keating to move to a floating exchange rate.

    “However, there was *opposition from the Treasury Department* whose head, *John Stone*, believed that once the currency was floated the dollar might increase in value, which would reduce Australian exports and stall the economic recovery that was getting underway.

    “The float was supported by shadow Treasurer John Howard. But the *Leader of the Opposition, Andrew Peacock*, the *National Party* and *some of Keating’s Labor colleagues* opposed the float, just as *Malcolm Fraser* had when as prime minister it was proposed to him two years previously.”

    https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/australian-dollar-floated#:~:text=In%201983%20the%20newly%20elected,money%20within%20world%20currency%20markets.

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