Essential Research 2PP+: Labor 51, Coalition 44 (open thread)

No significant movement on voting intention from the latest Essential Research poll, and a stronger yes vote on the Indigenous Voice than some other polling of late.

The reliable Essential Research has published its regular fortnightly poll, featuring federal voting intention numbers which, inclusive of a 5% undecided component (down one), have the Coalition up two points on the primary vote to draw level with an unchanged Labor on 32%. The pollster’s 2PP+ measure is nonetheless steady at 52% for Labor and 42% for the Coalition, presumably reflecting better preference flow for Labor than last time (UPDATE: It seems the Essential Research chart display is misfiring – for me, at least – by not extending to the latest numbers, which actually have Labor down a point to 51% and the Coalition up two to 44%), with the vagaries of rounding pushing undecided up a point to 6%. The Greens are unchanged at 14%, while One Nation is up one to 8%, the upper limit of their range through the current term.

The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from double its usual sample size at 2248 respondents, presumably to add extra muscle to state breakdowns from a question on the Indigenous Voice, which is framed around the wording to be used in the referendum. This records the yes vote at 47% nationally with no at 43%, with state breakdowns showing yes well in the clear in Victoria (48% to 39%) and South Australia (49% to 38%), well behind in Queensland (42% to 50%), and statistically tied in New South Wales (45% to 44% in favour of yes) and Western Australia (49% to 47% in favour of yes).

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. I’m starting to see a few of those Ioniqs around the place. They look more attractive than the Teslas as well.
    I’m going to wait for the European FTA to be signed and hopefully that will see European EVs delivered into Australia cheaper than what they would otherwise be.

  2. It was a good story about the travails of the Morayfield Clinic funding saga, the MRFF, and the seat of Longman. However, I think the main point was missed with the focus on the MRFF. Why did Labor promise $3.5 million to keep it open? Other than wanting to retain Longman. Answer: it was seen to be able to provide a template for the Urgent Care Clinics policy that Labor has.

  3. CNN: Former Fox executives say they regret helping Rupert Murdoch birth ‘disinformation machine’

    https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/12/media/former-fox-executives-rupert-murdoch-reliable-sources/index.html?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16893775824986&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2023%2F07%2F12%2Fmedia%2Fformer-fox-executives-rupert-murdoch-reliable-sources%2Findex.html

    “Three former high-ranking Fox executives are blasting Rupert Murdoch for Fox News’ role spreading disinformation in the public discourse.

    In a joint statement published Wednesday, the executives — Preston Padden, Ken Solomon, and Bill Reyner — expressed profound regret for their roles helping Murdoch build Fox in its early days. Padden was Fox’s chief Washington lobbyist; Solomon was the vice president of network distribution; and Reyner was the lead outside counsel.

    While none of the executives worked on Fox News, the work they did on behalf of Murdoch decades ago established Fox as a national television force and helped pave the way for the birth of the right-wing channel.”

  4. Speaking of EVs, I watched a video last night about the maths behind buying an EV in Australia given our current grid.

    Basically, for a fixed amount of money, you’d be reducing your carbon emissions more by buying a new ICE vehicle and installing solar + a home battery, compared with buying a more expensive new EV and powering it using the grid.

    Obviously with a bit more cash, having the EV, solar + a home battery reduces one’s emissions the most, but the order of operations for maximum impact is something I hadn’t considered before.

    Video for those interested (John Cadogan, many won’t like his style):
    https://youtu.be/djuy1KFOTLY

  5. C@tmomma @ #903 Saturday, July 15th, 2023 – 10:18 am

    It was a good story about the travails of the Morayfield Clinic funding saga, the MRFF, and the seat of Longman. However, I think the main point was missed with the focus on the MRFF. Why did Labor promise $3.5 million to keep it open? Other than wanting to retain Longman. Answer: it was seen to be able to provide a template for the Urgent Care Clinics policy that Labor has.

    One of the problems with setting up UCCs in parallel with Hospital EDs is that the former are federally funded & the latter State funded. Those of us who work in both are very much in favour of providing complimentary care and screening out those that do not have to go through the back door of ED into acute hospital care, but the Grunts at the Front (and the Slacks up the Back) are told to shut up & stick to our trenches by our Masters of the Universal Administration.


  6. Player Onesays:
    Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:40 am
    davo @ #894 Saturday, July 15th, 2023 – 9:24 am

    Why eFuels are a waste of time

    That’s the point of them – they are intended to waste the time that we could and should be spending transitioning to EVs and extend the lifetime of the existing fossil fuel infrastructure – by offering people the false hope that they can simply transition to hydrogen-based fuels but otherwise carry on with business as usual.

    So, of course, the government has now decreed that Australia can become a hydrogen superpower.

    It is astonishing how gullible and stupid our “leaders” think Australians are.

    Astonishing, but probably correct.

    Australian politicians use “Superpower ” in various contexts to score brownie points from Australian people. Nothing new about it especially after their shelf life as political leader of the country is curtailed by their parties.
    It is very difficult to Climate change solutions in this country and other AUKUS countries( don’t say what about UK, they just offer mealy mouthed platitudes) if one of the main parties in those countries is rabidly opposed to those solutions.


  7. nathsays:
    Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:50 am
    wranslide says:
    Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:22 am

    The boosterism for AUKUS is depressing. Nothing will happen but bungles, delays, cost blow outs, strategic errors, and great damage to Australia. Its all rather sad.
    ________
    AUKUS is really a mental health initiative targeting nationalists and U.S Alliance fans. This is to make them feel good for a couple of decades. Plenty in it for pollies too.

    AUKUS deal is a fraud on Australian people.
    As Socrates pointed it is good from USA POV.

  8. Two important points from the report by John Lyons of the recent NATO Summit:
    1. France has agreed to provide long range missiles to Ukraine
    2. Training on F16 fighter jets for Ukrainian pilots to begin in 2 months.

  9. Ven,
    So you would rather Australia be defenceless? Because I don’t know what alternative there is to AUKUS? Perhaps a few signs with ‘Go away and leave us alone!’ painted on them?

  10. So you would rather Australia be defenceless?

    So having 6 nuclear subs in 17 years time makes us suddenly defended?
    Surely there will be other more cost effective and comprehensive defense systems by 2040….

  11. AI Subs will definitely be a thing but they will require the creativity and quick reactions of a human mind to be behind them.

  12. Ven @ #885 Saturday, July 15th, 2023 – 9:03 am


    George Megalogenis posits that our political swamp will not be cleansed by the disgracing of Morrison. Another good contribution from George.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/our-political-swamp-will-not-be-cleansed-by-the-disgracing-of-morrison-20230713-p5do4w.html

    From the article:
    “The findings which are adverse to me are based upon a fundamental misunderstanding of how government operates,” Morrison said in reply to robo-debt royal commissioner Catherine Holmes last week.

    To be fair to Morrison, this retort was on the mild side when compared with the backhander he gave to former High Court Justice Virginia Bell on the release of her secret ministries inquiry last November: “As Prime Minister my awareness of issues regarding national security and the national interest was broader than that known to individual Ministers and certainly to the Inquiry. This limits the ability for third parties to draw definitive conclusions on such matters.”

    If it were just Morrison saying these things as a defeated PM, the system could begin to move on.

    But note how familiar this shameless line of rebuttal is. Daniel Andrews, the most electorally successful leader, federal or state, of this generation, has mastered the dark art of deflection, using a few chilling words where Morrison deployed a stream of self-serving consciousness. Recall the Victorian Labor premier’s curt dismissal of the Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission report in April, which found the Andrews government improperly awarded a Labor-affiliated union a $1.2 million contract. Andrews said the report was “educational”.

    Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass, whose office originally referred the matter to IBAC, corrected the premier. “I think it says a lot about the premier’s views on corruption and integrity,” she told 3AW. The IBAC report was not educational – “it was a damning report about misconduct of ministerial advisers and ministerial responsibility for those advisers”.

    Now to be fair to Andrews, nothing in the IBAC report comes close to the findings against Morrison in the robo-debt scandal.

    When journalists get around to criticising the thousands of decisions made by LNP governments to award contracts on a dodgy basis to their business mates, they might earn the right to criticise Labor governments to slinging a bit of cash to unions now and then.

  13. George Mega dutifully takes the opportunity himself to slur Andrews with a most typical groupthink ‘stream of self-serving consciousness’.

  14. Mick

    “ Speaking of EVs, I watched a video last night about the maths behind buying an EV in Australia given our current grid.

    Basically, for a fixed amount of money, you’d be reducing your carbon emissions more by buying a new ICE vehicle and installing solar + a home battery, compared with buying a more expensive new EV and powering it using the grid.

    Obviously with a bit more cash, having the EV, solar + a home battery reduces one’s emissions the most, but the order of operations for maximum impact is something I hadn’t considered before.

    Video for those interested (John Cadogan, many won’t like his style):”
    https://youtu.be/djuy1KFOTL

    Thanks. I’d go beyond your warning and say i found his style rambling to the point of torture. In the time I listened I also detected other errors, like his claim transport was 8% of Australian CO2 emissions when it is more like 20% (cars and utes about 11%).

    That being said the overall conclusion is broadly correct. Get your solar panels and get rid of gas out of your home first, it is more critical than an EV. The PV panels also maximise the benefits of getting an EV when you do.

    But in practice people’s circumstances vary. If you live in zero coal South Australia and drive a lot, the case for an EV is a lot stronger than in brown coal Victoria. So the exact answer varies depending on people’s lifestyle, budget and locale. If you have teenagers consuming lots of power then the PV panels are a no brainer.

  15. Rex

    So far no long range autonomous sub exists in service that is armed. They are for detection of other subs. This data could be fed back to a crewed sub mothership that would then fire a weapon at the detected target. They are going to augment crewed subs and could be recharged by one, but will not replace them.

  16. Socrates says:
    Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:18 am
    Cronus

    Given the WWI style battlefield, is part of the solution in Ukraine to switch to WWI style tactics? I recall from a book by Paddy Griffith the Canadians introduced “bite and hold” tactics in 1917 after the failure of Somme style big offensives. Perhaps Ukraine should do the same? Perhaps they already are, thinking about Kherson and Kharkiv.
    ————————————————-

    Yes I think that’s exactly what Ukraine is doing, taking small bites, consolidating then again moving forward. The time nor conditions have yet arrived for a single major push, not until Russia’s weapons are further diminished and Ukraine at least achieves air parity.

    As I’ve noted before , Ukraine is applying a method of ‘death by a thousand pin pricks’, it’s neither pretty nor rapid but it’s the best method in the existing context and it does at least maintain momentum, albeit slow and methodical.

  17. Socrates @ #891 Saturday, July 15th, 2023 – 9:18 am

    Given the WWI style battlefield, is part of the solution in Ukraine to switch to WWI style tactics? I recall from a book by Paddy Griffith the Canadians introduced “bite and hold” tactics in 1917 after the failure of Somme style big offensives. Perhaps Ukraine should do the same? Perhaps they already are, thinking about Kherson and Kharkiv.

    Massive air power is the solution. How Ukraine gets it is the big question.

  18. Socrates @ #922 Saturday, July 15th, 2023 – 12:25 pm

    That being said the overall conclusion is broadly correct. Get your solar panels and get rid of gas out of your home first, it is more critical than an EV. The PV panels also maximise the benefits of getting an EV when you do.

    But in practice people’s circumstances vary. If you live in zero coal South Australia and drive a lot, the case for an EV is a lot stronger than in brown coal Victoria. So the exact answer varies depending on people’s lifestyle, budget and locale. If you have teenagers consuming lots of power then the PV panels are a no brainer.

    Nah, even in coal states the idea that driving an EV results in more lifetime emissions than ICE is almost entirely FUD. Even moreso now than it was in 2018 when these claims were quite credibly debunked:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RhtiPefVzM

    Having the “nuh-uh, ICE is actually cleaner” argument resurface in 2023 makes me wonder if the zombie apocalypse has kicked off. Just don’t buy the biggest, most expensive EV and you’re fine. Or go ahead and buy the biggest, most expensive EV and put a fraction of what you just spent on it towards solar panels, and you’re fine. Or buy it, forget the solar, and trust that production improvements between 2018 and 2023 have made the “100% fossil-fired grid” caveat obsolete.

    In point of fact, if your current ICE car has more than ~4 years of life left in it (or less, if it’s a big, inefficient ICE vehicle) you’re better off emissions-wise just replacing it with a brand new EV right now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2IKCdnzl5k

  19. Mick: “Basically, for a fixed amount of money, you’d be reducing your carbon emissions more by buying a new ICE vehicle and installing solar + a home battery, compared with buying a more expensive new EV and powering it using the grid.”

    Why did you just accept, without question, that an EV wouldn’t be charged by renewables through the grid? The fact is, unless you’re charging your EV between the time of 6pm and 10pm every day, and only then, you’re more likely than not to be charging it from renewables. If the car is charged during daylight hours, it is almost certainly going to be charged using renewables.

    Youtube is really bad at propagating this type of disinformation.

  20. nath,
    I will attach my subs to my tits and point the missiles directly at you!!!

    *Subs from Subway and missiles made of meatballs 😉

  21. Rex Douglassays:
    Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:22 pm
    George Mega dutifully takes the opportunity himself to slur Andrews with a most typical groupthink ‘stream of self-serving consciousness’.
    _____________________
    The cult of Daniel Andrews shows no sign of weakening.

  22. C@tmomma says:
    Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:26 pm

    nath,
    I will attach my subs to my tits and point the missiles directly at you!!!
    _______
    Cool. That’s the best use for them I have read yet. 🙂

  23. Mick (and others)

    Thanks to the miracle of bluetooth I finished listening to that video by car expert.

    Yeah nah. I only agreed with the broad conclusion that it is valid to do home PV first and EV second. That is true. But “car expert” is just arguing for stalling action. He used an expensive EV as his example (Hyundai Ioniq 5) which is $90k. He completely glosses over cheaper EVs coming on the market now like BYD and MG4. He also looks at current factors and projects them far into the future without allowing for the fact the grid is getting less carbon intensive.

    So he doesn’t just make one error. He makes lots. His analysis is riddled with false assumptions about the present range of options and the future grid.

    I note from his other videos he advises people which SUV or 4WD to buy.

    What is your view Mick? Are you pro EV? pro LNP? Pro global warming? If 1 avoid this guy. If 2 or 3 stop listening.


  24. wranslidesays:
    Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:22 am
    The boosterism for AUKUS is depressing. Nothing will happen but bungles, delays, cost blow outs, strategic errors, and great damage to Australia. Its all rather sad.

    wranslide
    That there is something seriously dodgy about AUKUS deal is the appointment of Kathryn Campbell to some special role in AUKUS deal project with a salary package of 900k.

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8267803/department-of-silence-900k-mystery-surrounds-campbell-after-robodebt-findings/

    Kathryn Campbell is the Department of Defence’s $900,000 mystery after robodebt report’s release

  25. Socrates,

    I’ve clearly stirred everyone up a bit, I’ve broadly stopped watching Cadogan’s channel because of his EV takes. I only shared it because I learnt something about the relative impact per dollar spent on home electrification vs personal transport.

    For my personal situation, I’m not pro EV as I take public transport and only drive 2,500km or less each year, plus live in an apartment (for now) and have no means of home charging. But I’m very much intending to purchase an EV as my next car in the next 10 years or so as charging infrastructure becomes ubiquitous, prices come down etc.

    All that being said, I’m very supportive of everything the Federal government is doing. Like many here, I wish they’d do more sooner, but I’m happy with the direction the country is heading in (at long last).

  26. Not stirred or shaken, Mick. EVs have their pros and cons and everyone has an opinion on them (sometimes more than one). There is a lot of nonsense out there and even the sensible opinions have misleading or factually incorrect or outdated info. Peeps who rely on YouTube or paid content or TikTok get the misinformation they deserve.

    But generally I agree with the comment that if you want to invest money in reducing your footprint; panels/batteries is a great way to start. Especially if you can move some of your energy use to when the panels are pumping. Good ROI.

    I am nearing a car purchase and I find it a damned hard decision. I feel that any market that has a loooong waiting list isn’t a very competitive one and I won’t be getting good bang for buck. But even ICE cars are overpriced atm.

  27. Rex:

    George Mega dutifully takes the opportunity himself to slur Andrews with a most typical groupthink ‘stream of self-serving consciousness’.

    Misquoting from George Megalogenis:

    Daniel Andrews, the most electorally successful leader, federal or state, of this generation, has mastered the dark art of deflection, using a few chilling words where Morrison deployed a stream of self-serving consciousness.

    You realise GM was using that phrase on Morrison, not Andrews. Andrews copped “a few chilling words”.

    (I would’ve worded it “self-serving stream of consciousness”, personally. Seems to flow better.)

  28. Deeming/Pesutto fight latest:

    Former Victorian Liberal MP Moira Deeming has given opposition leader John Pesutto seven more days to respond to a legal ultimatum or face defamation action in court, AAP reports.

    A third letter of concern claims Pesutto hasn’t offered to resolve her complaint, which stems from the fallout following an anti-trans rally outside the Victorian parliament in March. The event was attended by neo-Nazis – who anti-trans activists say were gatecrashing – and who performed the Sieg Heil salute on the front steps of parliament.

    Pesutto’s office declined to comment when approached by AAP on Saturday afternoon.
    (Guardian updates at 15:40)

  29. Team Katichsays:
    Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:44 pm
    “I am nearing a car purchase and I find it a damned hard decision. I feel that any market that has a loooong waiting list isn’t a very competitive one and I won’t be getting good bang for buck. But even ICE cars are overpriced atm.”
    ===========================================================

    What has escaped much comment is how ten year old Teslas have stood up and held good resale prices.
    That is despite all the FUD about need to replacing batteries etc.
    It appears to me that EV’s are going to have a much longer serviceable life with owners dying before their cars do. 🙂
    The big legacy makers are in big strife. Chinese makers plus Tesla have a vice like grip.
    I had been a happy Audi owner for the last 25 years but I hear today they are giving up on their own EV platform and buying one from the Chinese!
    PS Today I received an OTA update on the Tesla, that is three in as many months. Impressive.

  30. I had a hard look at buying a car as the current one is over 300000 km. Definitly not buying an ice vehicle. Concluded Tesla model 3 long range is the car for us but chickened out. To much is happening.

  31. I had a hard look at buying a car as the current one is over 300000 km. Definitly not buying an ice vehicle. Concluded Tesla model 3 long range is the car for us but chickened out. To much is happening.

  32. Griff

    On the MRFF and NHMRC. I personally think there is value in the MRFF and have no trouble with the Government setting strategic directions. The NIH and MRC do, but they also own facilities whereas we don’t.

    The trouble with the MRFF is that it has slowly but surely moved away from funding research, and has paid the bills the State Governments used to pick up. A lot of it funds implementation projects dressed up as research, and seeing project managers being employed on good coin on these grants is completely mind boggling. I mean, doesn’t the CIA agree to do that job when they sign the form?

    As for peer review of grants, well the NHMRC is currently a farce anyway. The head was more interested in giving money to her mates than fixing the problems of patronage which are now worse than ever. The feedback is diabolical and success rates terrible with people leaving in droves. I reckon reforming the MRFF is the best way to go about it.

    I should say I’m a CIB on an NHMRC grant, so I’m not unbiased.

  33. Consider this when Murdoch media claims to represent the ‘battlers of western Sydney’ and other places.

    Lachlan and Sarah Murdoch’s sleek new $150 million super yacht Sarissa was not the only star of the show last week in the azure waters off Positano.

    Joining the new yacht was one of the world’s most iconic super yachts: the Christina O, named after the late Christina Onassis, daughter of fabled Greek shipping magnate Aristotle.

    The vintage vessel was being chartered by Rupert Murdoch, who along with the extended Murdoch clan, had something of a family reunion at the popular local Italian seafood joint “Da Adolfo”…

    However, it appears at least one of the Murdochs was not there: James Murdoch, whose spokesperson declined to comment on his whereabouts when PS called.
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/celebrity/all-the-murdochs-gather-for-a-european-super-yacht-holiday-except-one-20230711-p5dnf8.html

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