The West Australian had a poll on Tuesday from Painted Dog Research that put the exact question to be featured on the ballot paper at the Indigenous voice referendum found a 60-40 of its WA-only respondent base coming down in favour, with sharp distinctions by age (71-29 in favour among 18-to-34, 63-37 in favour among 35-to-54 and 53-47 against among 55-plus) and gender (69-31 for yes among women compared with 51-49 among men). The poll was conducted over the weekend from a sample of 1052,
The only other poll news unrelated to Aston that I have to hang a new open thread off is the regular Roy Morgan result, which has Labor’s two-party lead at 57-43 from primary votes of Labor 35.5%, Coalition 32% and Greens 13%. The poll was conducted last Monday to Sunday, so may have picked up static from the New South Wales election, with an unreported sample size.
The brainy specs are actually a good look for Dutton. They give him a somewhat softer appearance and create the illusion that he still has eyebrows.
Booing- rage of the impotent.
Well PD is toast if he thinks what he just said was anything like where the rest of Australia is.
@Ven:
What would be less absurd, and would actually save (checks notes) at least $250 billion but up to $300 billion dollars to the period ending around 2055 would be if we just brought the three second hand Virginia Block IV boats off the Americans in the 2030s as planned but scrapped the SSN-AUKUS class.
Three ‘nucs’ will sate the murder boner of various sinophobes around the traps, and also prove handy for doing the deep oceanic stuff and transiting vast distances rapidly that nuclear boast are good at; especially if we also still do AUKUS Stage One (upgrade bases and host American subs rotating through Australia).
I think snappy tom remarked late last night that we are only buying Virginia class subs off the Americans because of our need to genuflect to Washington. Perhaps. however, the Virginia class is … just better than the Astute class and is the genuine apex ‘hunter-killer’ of the oceans. I’d much prefer we just brought ‘off the shelf’ US subs and complement that with what I will set out below.
I think we went with SSN-AUKUS to sate the craven desire to forelock tug to mother England that exists amongst the frigate commander class within the RAN. … and for no other reason.
For the littoral water based ‘sea denial’ operations that are actually the vital part of the whole ‘defence of Australia’ doctrine, the RAN acquiring 6 to 8 modern SSKs equipped with lithium batteries and fuel cell AIPs are still the best option going.
Instead of building nuclear boats in Adelaide, we could build 6 those to 8 SSKs there for the RAN to replace the Collins Class AND probably – especially if we partnered with TKM – build the same boats for Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines and in due course when they rolled over the invincible class, for Singapore.
We could in fact leverage a ‘regional security’ alliance into a continuous boat building industry in Adelaide that ultimately scales up to producing one boat per year – or 30 manned SSKs per 30 year cycle (6-8 for the RAN, 22-24 for customers amongst our regional allies).
In turn that boat building industry could then lever into manufacturing ‘the best’ unmanned Unmanned Submersibles – and we could be making and selling hundreds of these globally.
Now THAT makes a heck of as lot more sense than pinning our homes and dreams on mother England for what is not yet even in the ‘concept design’ phase.
If the three Virginia class boats prove to be actually useful for Australian Defence, then we could renew the deal with the Americans in the 2050s and have them replaced by 3 or 4 NEW SSNX boats from the late 2050s. Obviously the tab for that purchase – in turned out dollars and including sustainment until the 2090s would be well over $100 billion, but still cheaper than pursuing the SSN-AUKUS class build program.
Booing is what happens at sporting events. It’s a challenge. In politics it’s an insight into a mindset
The Liberals?
#Losers boo.
‘Asha says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 9:26 am
The brainy specs are actually a good look for Dutton.
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Yeah, nah.
https://www.dreamstime.com/illustration/potato-glasses.html
Boerwar @ Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 8:37 am
“Michael Pascoe tells us that David Pocock offers sense amid the stupidity on housing.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/04/01/michael-pascoe-david-pockock-public-housing/
Pocock, safely and warmly housed, has joined forces with the Blocker.
30,000 houses of which 4,000 are earmarked for women and children fleeing domestic violence will just have to wait until Pocock and the Blockers stop their stunting.
This is Labor trying to implement its election promises. It is Pocock, Dutton and Bandt stopping it.
Every single day that this is being blocked is an extra day in which 30,000 Australians are being denied housing.”
Thanks for the article. It provides information on the first question I had the other day on the Housing Fund, can the capital be spent down under the Labor legislation. I happen to agree with Pocock’s proposal to increase the fund capital to allow for prevention of capital erosion. That would address sustainability.
Nikki Sava:, wait until after the result of the referendum is known, if a yes outcome expect a killing season in the Liberal party
And there Speers goes again saying the Gillard Carbon Tax. Insiders switched off again.
Griff @ #610 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 9:38 am
I had the same surge in my throat. (angry face)
Pocock makes a lot of sense.
Hopefully Labor takes it onboard and their magic pudding housing policy is improved.
Nikki Savva, totally brutal and to the point, as I’d expect from her, in comparison the usual waffle from Phil Coorey(who is as big a Liberal mouthpiece as he ever was).
Coorey probably hates it that he’s no longer getting dripfed leaks from the PM’s office, like he did when Scomo was in the big chair.
Asha says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 9:26 am
The brainy specs are actually a good look for Dutton. They give him a somewhat softer appearance and create the illusion that he still has eyebrows.
Pol Pot’s goons targeted people with glasses because they were suspected of being intellectuals. Dutton would have been safe.
The theme of today’s Insiders is the impotent opposition. That’s a comment on a competent government.
Isn’t Andrew Hastie the obvious choice for the Libs to switch to? He’s been in parliament now for nearly 8 years, so not so much of the ‘boy soldier’ he was.
Plus 9/Faix love him, and he’s more than merely acceptable to Newscorpse. Only 7 West could be a problem, as he seems (and to his credit) to fall on the other side of the whole BR-S saga and the war crimes investigations more generally. However BR-S will come to a head this year and will ultimately blow over. Little Kerry seems to be taking a step back from the day to days of 7 West anyway.
Hastie is probably acceptable to the party membership – conservative Christian, from a key regional state (but with strong links to the sydney establishment as an old Scots college boy). He’s young enough and photogenic enough for the marketing scammers in Liberal Party polling, campaigning andnd advertising consultancies to ‘rebadge’ him as some sort of ‘modern liberal’ as well.
Anyway, if i were a betting man (and I’m not) he’d be my pick for a Leadershit punt.
Coorey will of course be the first with news from….Tasmania!
How true from Savva: this (the Voice) is one of the great debates of our day, and the Liberal party are making itself irrelevant.
I think Hastie will get there too- they need to regain WA for starters, to have any hope. And he is from right-wing central casting.
Niki Savva and Raph Epstein were really good value on Insiders this morning.
Hastie will override everything for his own ambition. Expect him to challenge sometime this term.
Raph Epstein makes good points on the voice.
However, if the government educates the media on the voice, can it be trusted to pass on that understanding? or will it twist it for fun?
Savva also said all these people/commentators that want the Liberals to move further right will send them further into electoral oblivion. Over to you Sky after Dark/ Outsiders etc to keep up the good work.
Why would anyone want to challenge for leadership of the Liberal party just at the moment?
Just let Dutton boil for a while. Makes mashing him easier.
Raf Epstein is a rare sensible voice in the media landscape.
Nobody in the right mind would want to lead the Libs. Theyre a complete shambles and I think their Queensland support is floundering too.
I tend to agree P1. The smart move is for Hastie to wait for Dutton to lose the next election. However, if the government suddenly looks vulnerable (and its a matter of record that first term governments in Australia going back to Howard- so that would be four governments in a row – have appeared shaky towards the end of their first term) then he may wish to strike late next year.
Re Aston
I think the Robodebt RC would have had a big impact on the result.
When Aston voters went looking for reasons why Tudge quit, many would have noted his contribution to the horror of Robodebt and decided to abandon the Libs at the byelection.
‘Griff says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 9:36 am
Boerwar @ Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 8:37 am
“Michael Pascoe tells us that David Pocock offers sense amid the stupidity on housing.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/04/01/michael-pascoe-david-pockock-public-housing/
Pocock, safely and warmly housed, has joined forces with the Blocker.
30,000 houses of which 4,000 are earmarked for women and children fleeing domestic violence will just have to wait until Pocock and the Blockers stop their stunting.
This is Labor trying to implement its election promises. It is Pocock, Dutton and Bandt stopping it.
Every single day that this is being blocked is an extra day in which 30,000 Australians are being denied housing.”
Thanks for the article. It provides information on the first question I had the other day on the Housing Fund, can the capital be spent down under the Labor legislation. I happen to agree with Pocock’s proposal to increase the fund capital to allow for prevention of capital erosion. That would address sustainability.’
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Bandt and Pocock are ensuring each and every single day that there is no capital erosion and that 30,000 people are going without housing. 4,000 of those houses are for women and children victims of domestic violence. This need is right now.
Both Pocock and Blocker Bandt live in nice, safe, warm and comfy houses. They can wait. Not a problem!
Hastie is too young to take on the leadership role. He’s smart, he’s on a learning trajectory and I’m sure he’s not unaware of all the free analysis floating around about the policy constipation and Murdoch entrapment that pervades the Liberals.
An(g)us Taylor would be a sacrificial leader, burning up in his own inadequacy and Sussssssan would be a joke.
Trumpworld are doing a good job of cancelling DeSantis.
Haha
https://twitter.com/_NotAbouThaBase/status/1642201963042418688?t=AhqmyUwfgG1nhKUVxXKf1A&s=19
Hastie? Not so fast!
He will ensure that the Chinese-Australian vote will stay with Labor for the foreseeable future.
I recall his interview shortly after he won his seat… I seem to recall it was a bye-election and Abbott was his rabid fan.
Hastie ran as an anti-politician who was going to Canberra to solve all sorts of national problems, the single biggest of which, from memory was the national drug scourge.
Name one single accomplishment of Hastie in the eight years during which he was part of the Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison governments.
Hastie is a non-performing blowhard.
Boerwar @ #629 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 10:09 am
Throwing a tantrum every time 32% Labor has to allow the crossbench to improve Labor’s legislation is rather pointless.
This is democracy at work. Get used to it.
A company associated with Taylor is still under investigation for illegal clearing of grasslands. There is a shitload of taxpayer money that went to the Taylor family.
He would be extremely easy to trash were the Liberals insane enough to give him the top job.
Blocker Bandt – making sure that renters remain homeless and making sure that victims of domestic violence remain homeless.
How good is that?
Wheeling out Phil Coorey to appear on Insiders is very 1950’s retro focused.
Coorey makes Ms Savva look like Thoroughly Modern Millie and Raf Epstein will not be invited back to appear on Insiders for being far too relevant.
Now back to the liberal girls!
Boerwar @ Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:09 am
There is clear water between The Greens’ and Pocock’s positions, as there is for Labor. I am also supportive for negotiation to take place by all parties as a demonstration of pragmatic progressivism. That is also how one furthers good democracy. I do hope it is resolved soon of course. And the Coalition can take a flying leap 🙂
Edit: grammar
Well, I think it’s almost unavoidable now for Albo to call an early 2024 election based on tax reform.
Aston and Adelaide. Not a bad Saturday night double.
The deputy leader of the Liberal Party normally has first pick of the ministries.
This is nearly always Treasury which is seen as a major step towards eventually becoming leader of the Liberals and, hence, prime minister.
Bishop chose Treasury and was kicked off that when she made a terrible fist of it.
Ley did not get Treasury.
Ley was kicked out of Health.
Ley was an utter failure as Environment Minister.
Ley had to be captain picked to retain her candidacy in her electorate.
Ley is shadow minster for women, industry, skills and training. Not Treasury.
There is absolutely zero sign over the first nine months of the Albanese Government that Ley is making policy progress in any of those areas. Her QT presence is performative with zero impact in either the House or at large.
The notion that Ley is in the race to replace Dutton is absurd.
‘Griff says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:17 am
Boerwar @ Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:09 am
There is clear water between The Greens’ and Pocock’s positions, as there is for Labor. I am also supportive for negotiation to take place by all parties as a demonstration of pragmatic progressivism. That is also how one furthers good democracy. I do hope it is resolved soon of course. And the Coalition can take a flying leap ‘
Edit: grammar’
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Insiders got it right. Bandt is facing internal trouble in the Greens because he failed on stopping new coal and gas. So he has decided for sordid internal Greens political reasons, to block the Housing Fund to show the red protest wing that he CAN and WILL stop something.
Evey day he and Pocock block this Fund is a day in which real people will not have a real house to live in. It is an extra day in which victims of domestic violence face the choice between homelessness and more domestic violence.
The notion that delaying or blocking progress is cost-free and pain-free is ridiculous.
If the Greens want to run the country and decide who and when is housed they need to do better in elections.
The Lying Reactionaries are goners. They won’t be missed. Their remaining urban seats in the capitals are all vulnerable and Queensland will come right for Labor. The Reactionaries – the front for the Pentecostals – will continue to make choices that will drive voters to Labor and the Mutiny.
I am astonished that Cash has not been nominated to replace Dutton.
Bandt has gone from promising a million houses to blocking 30,000 houses.
How good is that?
Mr Dutton’s performance on Insiders today was sufficient for him to keep his job. While no-one else wants it (yet), more tellingly “He’s all they’ve got.” Insiders was a low bar.
Boerwar @ Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:27 am
“Insiders got it right. Bandt is facing internal trouble in the Greens because he failed on stopping new coal and gas. So he has decided for sordid internal Greens political reasons, to block the Housing Fund to show the red protest wing that he CAN and WILL stop something.
Evey day he and Pocock block this Fund is a day in which real people will not have a real house to live in. It is an extra day in which victims of domestic violence face the choice between homelessness and more domestic violence.
The notion that delaying or blocking progress is cost-free and pain-free is ridiculous.
If the Greens want to run the country and decide who and when is housed they need to do better in elections.”
Boerwar, the delay of democratic negotiations is a utilitarian outcome if more people are able to be helped for a longer period of time. Hence my question the other day as to whether the capital of the Fund is to be eroded or not. However, all parties through negotiation need to come to a consensus decision. I think The Greens’ policy is pie in the sky, however as previously mentioned, I think there are elements of what Pocock is proposing that are well worth considering. I expect Labor to come to the party. I hope The Greens do as well.
Besides, Pocock is not needed here. Lambie’s support is available. It is The Greens’ support that is required.
The Victorian election, the federal election, the NSW election.
All have delivered a progressive crossbench parliamentary BoP that will improve Labor legislation.
Together with the Aston result, it’s been a great 12 months in Australian politics.
Rex Douglas @ #633 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 10:15 am
Rex, just be thankful that Boerwar has finally found a new subject.
Q: Hastie is a non-performing blowhard.
How does that disqualify him from being Liberal leader? 🙂
Socrates says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 8:21 am
Morning all. Beautiful day, sun shining, birds chirping, cats snuggling for warmth, and an extra hours sleep. I might only wake up this happy once every hundred years
Thanks for the roundup BK. The articles on the emphatic nature of Labor’s win in Aston are entirely justified. Dutton and the Liberal platform were defeated.
Another point to add – this is yet another in a series of elections where the Murdoch press, including Sky news, appears to have had no effect on the result.
The only people still reading/watching it are those who will vote liberal no matter what, and some like me who just want to laugh at the look on Peta Credlin’s face when they announce the defeat. There are youtube channels with more viewers.
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+1, I’ve only taken to briefly watching Credlin and Co for the election last week and last night. I get such extraordinary pleasure from their misery, my bad. It amazes me that these people are incapable of seeing what the vast majority of us can see. There are none so blind.