Newspoll quarterly aggregates: July to December (open thread)

Relatively modest leads for the Coalition among Queenslanders, Christians and those 65-and-over, with Labor dominant everywhere else.

As it usually does on Boxing Day, The Australian has published quarterly aggregates of Newspoll with state and demographic breakdowns, on this occasion casting an unusually wide net from its polling all the way back to July to early this month, reflecting the relative infrequency of its results over this time. The result is a combined survey of 5771 respondents that finds Labor leading 55-45 in New South Wales (a swing of about 3.5% to Labor compared with the election), 57-43 in Victoria (about 2%), 55-45 in Western Australia (no change) and 57-43 in South Australia (a 4.0% swing), while trailing 51-49 in Queensland a 3% swing).

Gender breakdowns show only a slight gap, with Labor leading 54-46 among men and 56-44 among women, with the Greens as usual stronger among women among men. Age cohort results trend from 65-35 to Labor for 18-to-34 to 54-46 to the Coalition among 65-plus, with the Greens respectively on 24% and 3%. Little variation is recorded according to education or income, but Labor are strongest among part-time workers and weakest among the retired, stronger among non-English speakers but well ahead either way, and 62-38 ahead among those identifying as of no religion but 53-47 behind among Christians. You can find all the relevant data, at least for voting intention, in the poll data feature on BludgerTrack.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  2. Mavis @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:00 pm

    He is all that, but I do not wish failure on Warner. Retirement, however, would be a boon for all 😉

  4. ‘EGT
    E. G. Theodore says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    Boer:

    A-E and EGT
    The essential problem with your consideration is that the international labour market is porous to a massive extent.

    1 – There is a no logical or conceptual problem with restricting it to citizens, and indeed I would go slightly further and exclude voluntary dual/multiple citizens etc.

    2 – Buildings best served by live-in janitors are 100% resistant to off-shoring.’
    ==================================
    Ah. Good!

  5. “ Sure it can. So easy to find a lazy $257 billion slipped down the back of the parliamentary couch. Happens all the time.”

    I’m sure in our eco-tourist resort / doomsday prepper hideout you gave yourself a fist pump over that witty resposte… but it just demonstrates how clueless you truly are.

    $257 billion is the estimated revenue forgone OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD (are you keeping up, P1?).

    That’s in turned out dollars (ie. not the value of 2024FY dollars – when S3 starts, but also making allowances for inflation and the consequent revaluation of money over that period. Still there, are we P1?).

    Here are the things your feckless bonhomie doesn’t factor in:

    1. The size of the federal budget is currently about $570 billion pa. Or (in 2022 dollar terms) 5.7 trillion over 10 years. Adjusting for inflation over the next decade the next ten budget should be about a cumulative $7 trillion. So the s3 tax cuts amount to about 3.6% of the total budget.

    2. The ability of a government to fund programs is not the same as a privateer person or enterprise. it can raise revenue from an multiple number of different sources and via a number of different methods. It can issue currency. It can borrow money at much cheaper rates than the private sector. The point is that governments have tremendous power to make up for revenue shortfalls and this power is only limited by the size of the productive output of its economy.

    3. In Australia’s case our national economy is currently about $A1.8 trillion pa (depending how you measure it), or – in 2022 dollars – $18 trillion over ten years – or in turned out dollars well over $20 trillion dollars. those S3 tax cuts start to look like mere rounding errors when you take in the big picture, don’t they?

    4. Of course the biggest oversight that you – and the congaline of ‘scrap S3, NOW!!’ deadheads made (whether deliberately or because your just idiots: its hard to tell sometimes) is to ignore the size of the ‘tax expenditure’ boondoggles that are baked into the current tax system (mainly thanks to Howard and his political progeny). The tax take is a mix, and to use a metaphor, the total mix makes the overall pie that are the government’s receipts. just focusing on income tax alone, by far the biggest slice of that pie is NOT revenue collected from tax payers who fall into the 45% tax bracket, or those in the 37% bracket. Or who fall in the lower tax brackets. No the single biggest slice of the income tax pie is … the slice that is actually removed from the pie altogether – those tax concessions. 5 years ago that slice was worth … $160 billion. Each and every year. Now, it’s likely to exceed $180pa. Over the next 10 years the amount of revenue foregone becuase of tax expenditures is likely to exceed $2.5 trillion: literally 10 times the amount of revenue foregone because of S3.

    5. So, yes, there is quite a lot of money to be found ‘down the back of the veritable parliamentary couch. A combination of the ‘tax saves’ proposed by labor at the last 3 elections would go a fair way to bridging the gap. But perhaps the best way to ensure that S3 (in whatever form is finally delivered) is paid for, without having to cuts services or other programs, is to introduce a simple cap on the amount of tax expenditures / deductions a tax payer can claim against their gross income.

    I’ll leave you with a final thought. At $160-180 billion (against a 1.8 trillion dollar economy) our tax expenditures are about 50% greater than the OECD average. Simply pairing those numbers back to the average 35 billion that S3 may cost us per year would just bring our economy back into kilter with the rest of the developed world. You know this makes sense. Right? RIGHT?

  7. E. G. Theodore @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    1 – There is a no logical or conceptual problem with restricting it to citizens, and indeed I would go slightly further and exclude voluntary dual/multiple citizens etc.

    The concept of dual/multiple citizenship being treated differently to a ‘pure’ citizen has found its way into policy under the last Government’s watch. What is the rationale? And the rhetorical question is, what are the unintended consequences?

  8. Just thinking further, is the emergence a result of the dual citizenship constitutional farrago? Politicians usually are a fan of having different rules to common folk, but not that time.

  10. Griff:

    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:03 pm

    [‘Mavis @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:00 pm

    He is all that, but I do not wish failure on Warner. Retirement, however, would be a boon for all ‘]

    But I doubt he’ll retire after a double ton. I really don’t like the bloke.

  12. Griff says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:17 pm

    And while I am posting, I was out on an errand and didn’t see Green retire hurt. What is the situation?
    _______________________

    Took a ball to the middle bowling finger, must have hurt, glove off and a bit of blood so off to have it checked and scanned.

  14. Andrew_Earlwood

    Good post.

    I have always said, the problem is not the S3 tax cut, the problem is it didn’t come with legislation to sort out the other distortions. The discount on capital gains tax would be a good place to start. Howard screwed that up. Franking credits that go past cancelling your tax would be another place to land. Franking credits where designed to stop double taxing, not to create a situation where there is no tax. Howard screwed that up.

  16. c@t
    Thanks for link to Friedman talk.

    He is saying what I have been trying to get across for months. China is in trouble, and as they are our biggest market, so is Australia.

    China did us a big favor when they forced us to find other markets.

  17. Most educators dictate that paragraphs should be a max of 200 words. And while there are exceptions to the general rule, one’s interest starts to wane when they’re circa 1000. I refuse to single out Andrew.

  18. Boerwar @Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:18 pm
    “Griff

    Dual citizens have opportunities to game systems that solo citizens do not. Why should there be two classes of citizen?”

    There shouldn’t be two classes of Australian citizenship. So we shouldn’t provide a second class version for those that have other citizenship. Now, the argument that we should have to renounce other forms of citizenship may be more viable, but I would contend that it would make the nation as a whole less of a global citizen.

  19. ‘Griff says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    Boerwar @Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:18 pm
    “Griff

    Dual citizens have opportunities to game systems that solo citizens do not. Why should there be two classes of citizen?”

    There shouldn’t be two classes of Australian citizenship. So we shouldn’t provide a second class version for those that have other citizenship. Now, the argument that we should have to renounce other forms of citizenship may be more viable, but I would contend that it would make the nation as a whole less of a global citizen.’
    ============================
    I could get dual citizenship but Australia is the nation to which I am committed. We currently have Class A for dual citizenships or more, and Class B for mono citizens. The result is that monos carry duals in some circumstances. This happened, for example, in Early Covid when Duals who were residing O/S demanded that monos paid the bill for their rescue back to Australia.

  20. Andrew_Earlwood @ #605 Tuesday, December 27th, 2022 – 6:06 pm

    I’m sure in our eco-tourist resort / doomsday prepper hideout you gave yourself a fist pump over that witty resposte… but it just demonstrates how clueless you truly are.

    This really burns you people, doesn’t it? Why? Is it because someone actually acts on what they claim to believe in? I can see how that might be triggering for a few people here.

    $257 billion is the estimated revenue forgone OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD (are you keeping up, P1?).

    Way ahead of you, AE. What’s your point?

    That’s in turned out dollars (ie. not the value of 2024FY dollars – when S3 starts, but also making allowances for inflation and the consequent revaluation of money over that period. Still there, are we P1?).

    Still way ahead of you. Again, what’s your point?

    Here are the things your feckless bonhomie doesn’t factor in:

    1. The size of the federal budget is currently about $570 billion pa. Or (in 2022 dollar terms) 5.7 trillion over 10 years. Adjusting for inflation over the next decade the next ten budget should be about a cumulative $7 trillion. So the s3 tax cuts amount to about 3.6% of the total budget.

    Ah! So your point is that $257 billion is just pocket change. Great. Tell that to aged care workers.

    2. The ability of a government to fund programs is not the same as a privateer person or enterprise. it can raise revenue from an multiple number of different sources and via a number of different methods. It can issue currency. It can borrow money at much cheaper rates than the private sector. The point is that governments have tremendous power to make up for revenue shortfalls and this power is only limited by the size of the productive output of its economy.

    So we can borrow the lost $257 billion to replace the lost revenue cheaply at the moment? Great. Tell that to child care workers.

    3. In Australia’s case our national economy is currently about $A1.8 trillion pa (depending how you measure it), or – in 2022 dollars – $18 trillion over ten years – or in turned out dollars well over $20 trillion dollars. those S3 tax cuts start to look like mere rounding errors when you take in the big picture, don’t they?

    So, again, $257 billion is just pocket change. Great. Tell that to those on JobSeeker payments.

    4. Of course the biggest oversight that you – and the congaline of ‘scrap S3, NOW!!’ deadheads made (whether deliberately or because your just idiots: its hard to tell sometimes) is to ignore the size of the ‘tax expenditure’ boondoggles that are baked into the current tax system (mainly thanks to Howard and his political progeny). The tax take is a mix, and to use a metaphor, the total mix makes the overall pie that are the government’s receipts. just focusing on income tax alone, by far the biggest slice of that pie is NOT revenue collected from tax payers who fall into the 45% tax bracket, or those in the 37% bracket. Or who fall in the lower tax brackets. No the single biggest slice of the income tax pie is … the slice that is actually removed from the pie altogether – those tax concessions. 5 years ago that slice was worth … $160 billion. Each and every year. Now, it’s likely to exceed $180pa. Over the next 10 years the amount of revenue foregone becuase of tax expenditures is likely to exceed $2.5 trillion: literally 10 times the amount of revenue foregone because of S3.

    So, there are other failings in our tax system, which you don’t intend to fix either. Great. Tell that to pensioners on the poverty line.

    5. So, yes, there is quite a lot of money to be found ‘down the back of the veritable parliamentary couch. A combination of the ‘tax saves’ proposed by labor at the last 3 elections would go a fair way to bridging the gap. But perhaps the best way to ensure that S3 (in whatever form is finally delivered) is paid for, without having to cuts services or other programs, is to introduce a simple cap on the amount of tax expenditures / deductions a tax payer can claim against their gross income.

    So the stage three tax cuts are something that must be “paid for”. But why?

    I’ll leave you with a final thought. At $160-180 billion (against a 1.8 trillion dollar economy) our tax expenditures are about 50% greater than the OECD average. Simply pairing those numbers back to the average 35 billion that S3 may cost us per year would just bring our economy back into kilter with the rest of the developed world. You know this makes sense. Right? RIGHT?

    These are not “thoughts” – or perhaps better to say not your “thoughts”. These are Labor party propaganda points trying to defend the indefensible.

    So, all in all, just a shitload of more deflection. Intended to impress the impressionable and make them lose sight of the actual issue. Which is that the stage three tax cuts are regressive, and we could use the lost revenue in much better ways. We don’t need to “borrow” to fund them, and we don’t need to “pay for them” in other ways.

    We just need to scrap them.

  21. I mentioned my old home town Murringo a few weeks ago. Bill O.Reilly father was principal of the school there just before and for the early part of WWI. Young Bill was brought up th er before moving to the Southern Highlands and fame.
    His bete noir Don Bradmans father was at about the same time or a little earlier teaching at Yeo Yeo between Temora and Cootamundra, now just a remote crossroad.
    Before his death, Bill came back for a school function, mentioned that my grandmother had taught him for a while at Murringo and being told that my wife lived next to Jack Fingleton told several tales of touring with Jack and bemoaned the treatment of him by Bradman. His distaste for Bradman was clear.
    For what it’s worth, Murringo is the home town of Nathan Lyons and of the Cummins clan..

  24. Boerwar @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:35 pm

    Hmm…why do you say “Duals who were residing O/S demanded that monos paid the bill for their rescue back to Australia”? Could you point to evidence please? Asking that Australia pays the bill is not the same as “monos paid the bill”.

    In an emergency, citizens should be afforded similar rights. I would prefer to err on the side of equality, at the risk of spending more on our citizens. As to who should be prioritised however, that could be done based on need. Those with a right to stay where they are, can wait until temporary travellers are repatriated.

  26. The concept of dual/multiple citizenship being treated differently to a ‘pure’ citizen has found its way into policy under the last Government’s watch. What is the rationale? And the rhetorical question is, what are the unintended consequences?

    Voluntary dual/multiple citizenships were rare until recently.

    The principal users of the dual/multiple citizenships and related mechanisms are the wealthy, and the principal uses thereof are the avoidance of tax obligations (e.g. the “non doms” that plague the UK, likewise the high-end criminals who have purchased citizenship)

    There is no reason for a citizen of Australia living in Australia to hold dual/multiple citizenship, except when it is involuntary. At the very least, people who do so should be subject to a very substantial levy on their taxation obligation.

  27. E. G. Theodore @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:56 pm

    Appreciate the taxation issue. I would prefer for taxation to be addressed directly, rather than via constraint of citizenship rights.

  28. What a fool you are, P1: you can’t even see that Howard’s ‘tax expenditures’ – and the egregious little ‘aspirational’ cultcha they have spawned – are the motherlode of regressive tax measures in this country. … let alone the difficulty you have – whether through pure truculence or simple stupidity: it’s hard to tell – in comprehending my point: the grand bargain involved in trading tax cuts for reductions in tax expenditures. The sheer scale of the opportunities that possible bargain presents simply transcends your petty grievance politics.

    You asked ME for my ‘way forward’: behold, in detail, I have told you.

    You cant get your head around that my way doesnt mean cancelling tax cuts, or cutting services or programs. That’s your mental and moral defect.

  29. Griff says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:53 pm
    Boerwar @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:35 pm

    Hmm…why do you say “Duals who were residing O/S demanded that monos paid the bill for their rescue back to Australia”? Could you point to evidence please? Asking that Australia pays the bill is not the same as “monos paid the bill”.

    In an emergency, citizens should be afforded similar rights. I would prefer to err on the side of equality, at the risk of spending more on our citizens. As to who should be prioritised however, that could be done based on need. Those with a right to stay where they are, can wait until temporary travellers are repatriated.
    中华人民共和国
    My family and I are Mono citizens. We only carry Australian Passports. My wife had to give up her Singaporean Citizenship as they only allow Mono Citizens. She wanted to be Australian.

    I pay tax on investments in Australia and taxes elsewhere.

    My family and I were abandoned during COVID. There was no way of returning. Our voting rights were diminished when our regular polling booth was closed. The Australian Ambassador even made a joke about the unavailability of COVID vaccines for Australian residing in Thailand.

    The Dutch, German and Swiss and Chinese Embassies imported vaccines and arranged vaccination for their residents residing in Thailand.

    Being a Dual or Mono citizen didn’t matter. We were abandoned by Morrison and his Government.

    Now off to the Ginza for BBQ and fuck Morrison and his gang of incompetents. Scuse the French.

  30. Earlwood’s tax concession magic pudding sounds interesting. What items are going to be scrapped? Who knows. Something something Howard, something something aspirational, something something dark side.

  31. Nath. There is a long list of tax expenditures to pick through (and reducing the value of the capital gains tax deduction would have to rank pretty high on the hit list), but the idea of a cap on the total expenditures able to be claimed would cut through the minutiae. Yes?

  32. Upnorth @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 7:08 pm

    Your response to Australia’s lack of response is completely understandable.

    Enjoy the feed!

  33. Andrew_Earlwood says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 7:16 pm

    Nath. There is a long list of tax expenditures to pick through (and reducing the value of the capital gains tax deduction would have to rank pretty high on the hit list)
    _________
    About 60 billion over ten years if you remove the discount. I wouldn’t be against it going, but Labor have given no indication they will even think about it.

    Of course, with S3, people paying CGT will get a discount in the sense that many will now be paying 30% rate instead of a higher rate on CGT events. I wonder if that has been costed into the S3 modelling?

  34. ‘Upnorth says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 7:08 pm

    Griff says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:53 pm
    Boerwar @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:35 pm

    Hmm…why do you say “Duals who were residing O/S demanded that monos paid the bill for their rescue back to Australia”? Could you point to evidence please? Asking that Australia pays the bill is not the same as “monos paid the bill”.

    In an emergency, citizens should be afforded similar rights. I would prefer to err on the side of equality, at the risk of spending more on our citizens. As to who should be prioritised however, that could be done based on need. Those with a right to stay where they are, can wait until temporary travellers are repatriated.
    中华人民共和国
    My family and I are Mono citizens. We only carry Australian Passports. My wife had to give up her Singaporean Citizenship as they only allow Mono Citizens. She wanted to be Australian.

    I pay tax on investments in Australia and taxes elsewhere.

    My family and I were abandoned during COVID. There was no way of returning. Our voting rights were diminished when our regular polling booth was closed. The Australian Ambassador even made a joke about the unavailability of COVID vaccines for Australian residing in Thailand.

    The Dutch, German and Swiss and Chinese Embassies imported vaccines and arranged vaccination for their residents residing in Thailand.

    Being a Dual or Mono citizen didn’t matter. We were abandoned by Morrison and his Government.

    Now off to the Ginza for BBQ and fuck Morrison and his gang of incompetents. Scuse the French.’
    ——————————————————
    Upn, if you are a dual AND you reside overseas then, IMO, you take your chances. If you are just passing through, the situation is different.

    Australia had varied responses to O/S duals over the course of Covid. This included chartering flights to bring citizens home.

  35. I currently have a great-nephew (a matelot) staying with me. He’s always out with friends. I told him tonight: why would you prefer your friends’ company to quality time with me? To his credit he was honest. He said, “Uncle Mavis, you’re a pain in the fucking arse, always living in the past, raving on about the “Dismissal”. I was hurt but quickly got over it, the young having not changed since Socrates opined:

    “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

  37. Mavis says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 7:34 pm

    I currently have a great-nephew (a matelot) staying with me. He’s always out with friends. I told him tonight: why would prefer your friends’ company to quality time with me?
    _______
    the old are always trying to suck the life out of the young. Although Elizabeth Bathory was the worst, bathing in the blood of virgins to stay young. Frankly, you should be grateful he gives you the time of day. The young don’t have that much time to be young, we all know what.

  40. Thanks nath. Of course the CGT deduction referred to in that article is only in relation to housing investments. The CGT reduction also applies elsewhere to capital investment profits generally. … and this is only one ‘tax expenditure measure’ … there are lots of others to consider as well (and I ‘get’ that this does involve labor considering measures that will be portrayed as ‘broken promises’, so there is that – although IMO the quality of those sort of broken promises is far superior to simply scrapping S3. It’s interesting isn’t it – were the government to scarp the whole package of CGT deductions and negative gearing that within a decade that measure would be nearly worth the value of S3 alone … but I digress).

    But once again, isn’t the ultimate answer to simply introduce a cap on the amount of tax expenditure deductions that can be claimed?

  41. Mavis

    I disagree your opinion on Warner

    When CA attempted to amend remuneration for players, adversely impacting those competing at Shield level, it was Warner who stood up and successfully

    Warner is accordingly revered among players – and not so among the elites who infest the National and State Boards

    In regards South Africa, the deliberate targeting of Warner and particularly his wife by the South African authorities, distributing the signage they distributed and the other activities they promoted and encouraged, should have seen a response from CA and an immediate response

    Including bringing the side home because what was happening was always going to escalate to ugly

    For every action there is a reaction

    And ball tampering was rife – look at the list of players charged from Tendulkar to multiple South African captains, including on multiple occasions

    As a player, Warner has exceeded all expectations to forge the reputation he has – based on talent and commitment

    8,000 Test runs as an opening batsman and averaging mid 40’s says it all

    Noting his attacking style

    I am more influenced by the response of his teammates towards him than by the jaundiced opinion of an anonymous poster to an internet site

    The acknowledgment Warner received at the MCG today was very well deserved and appropriate

    He is a very fine individual and a very fine cricketer – in the upper echelon of those who have played the game

  42. Ukraine is calling for Russia to be stripped of its veto-wielding permanent seat on the UN Security Council:
    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/6112

    I completely agree Russia does not deserve its present status in the UN, but cannot see how this can be accomplished using current UN procedures. It is high time the UN was completely reconstituted, to remove any single nation’s power of veto over decisive action.

  43. Andrew_Earlwood says:
    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 7:58 pm

    Thanks nath. Of course the CGT deduction referred to in that article is only in relation to housing investments. The CGT reduction also applies elsewhere to capital investment profits generally.
    ________
    I thought you were just talking about resuscitating Labor’s 2019 policies, but yes, if every asset class was to have the discount removed that would be significantly more ‘saved’, but that would require levels of bravery unheard of in modern times.

    As to the cap, do you mean an annual cap? that might be problematic but worth looking at.

  46. frednk @ #561 Tuesday, December 27th, 2022 – 6:25 pm

    c@t
    Thanks for link to Friedman talk.

    He is saying what I have been trying to get across for months. China is in trouble, and as they are our biggest market, so is Australia.

    China did us a big favor when they forced us to find other markets.

    You can take that to the bank. As many of the exporters have commented themselves. They certainly wouldn’t have seen the Covid explosion coming and maybe have ended up going down with the Chinese economy. Of course the Chinese economy won’t collapse completely, but I have seen some disturbing images coming out of there recently. Their equivalent of the Post Office had parcel literally piled up in mountains and clogging the conveyor belt to a standstill. The workers just weren’t coping with the number of parcels they needed to process. Also the scenes from the hospitals show corridors and wards heaving with patients, with nothing so much as a face mask covering their faces and protecting the hospital workers, friends and family milling around. No Covid Isolation Wards for most of them. I guess they’re saving them for the upper cadres.

    And it’s not even Lunar New Year yet!

    Xi’s distraction tactics, like the flyovers of Taiwan, aren’t going to save his bacon. Dr Friedman made a good point when he stated that America could just pick them off if they tried to cross the water to take Taiwan. Which they probably realise and probably why they haven’t actually attempted it yet. 🙂

  47. Reached Paris yesterday afternoon 3:30pm(local time)
    Our Hotel is 40 minutes drive from airport.
    From our hotel Arc de Triompe, Avenue des Champs-Élysées) are very near. We walked from the Avenue des Champs-Élysées to Eiffel tower (about 30 min walk).
    Eiffel tower is shining with lights.

  49. nath:

    Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    Thanks. I like to know how the young think. So yet another rewriting of my Will – that will teach him, the shortest of which read “All to Mother” (Thorne v. Dickens 1906), which was successfully challenged, not due to its brevity but on the basis that the testator referred to his wife as “Mum”, as was the custom in those days – Oedipus complex?

    In contested Wills, the intention of the testator is paramount

    At the other end of the spectrum is the Will of Frederica Stilwell Cook, who died in ’25. Her Will & testament amounted to 1,066 pages, containing 95,940 words, almost as long as War & Peace.

    Lastly, lawyers used to get paid by the word. Perhaps old habits die hard, and please, I’m not having another go at Andrew re. his paras.

  50. C@tmomma @ Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:26 pm
    Macarthur,
    Have you been watching Jake Broe’s videos lately?
    ============

    Sure have! I caught up with the last three today, after the family get-togethers. I think they are must-watches to keep updated.

    Did you watch the RT propaganda piece directed at Europeans, conjuring a nightmare for every child’s pet hamster, due to a feared escalating energy price and supply crisis? Nicely debunked by Jake, pointing out that the price of gas in Europe this Christmas is actually lower than last Christmas, and trending down from its peak a few months ago. Russia’s attempted extortion of Europe to get them to abandon Ukraine: FAIL.

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