Newspoll: 56-44 to Labor (open thread)

Labor and Anthony Albanese ride high in the first Newspoll since the federal election.

The Australian has published the first Newspoll since the federal election, showing Labor opening up a commanding 56-44 lead, compared with a two-party result of 52.1-47.9 at the election. The primary votes are Labor 37% (compared with 32.6% at the election), Coalition 33% (35.7%), Greens 12% (12.2%), One Nation 6% (5.0%) and United Australia Party 2% (4.1%).

Anthony Albanese’s approval rating has shot from 41% before the election to 61%, while his disapproval rating has fallen from 46% to 26%. The former exceeds honeymoon approval ratings recorded by Tony Abbott (47%), Kevin Rudd (59%) and John Howard (45%) upon Newspoll’s return after the three previous changes of government. The net result of plus 35% is the strongest since the early days of Malcolm Turnbull’s prime ministership in November 2015, and previously by Kevin Rudd in October 2009.

Dutton’s opening numbers are 37% approval and 41% disapproval, and he trails Albanese 59-25 as preferred prime minister, the widest gap in Newspoll since the early days of Rudd’s prime ministership in 2008. Debut results for past opposition leaders were 35% approval and 40% disapproval for Anthony Albanese in 2019, 32% and 24% for Bill Shorten in 2013, 40% and 35% for Tony Abbott in 2010, 50% and 25% for Malcolm Turnbull in 2008, 36% and 19% for Brendan Nelson in 2008 and 41% and 10% for Kevin Rudd in 2006. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1508.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. #Newspoll Federal Primary Votes: ALP 37 (+4.4 since election) L/NP 33 (-2.7) GRN 12 (-0.2) ON 6 (+1.0) UAP 2 (-2.1) #auspol

    Question for NewsPoll – why are the Teal/Independents not appearing in the primary read out? They hold a dozen seats and are the emergent wave, with observers keen to know if their 2022 election numbers will increase, hold or drop.

    No hopers like PHoN and UAP are listed, without holding a single lower house seat.

  2. Good point, sprocket_. Though it must be said that PHON and the Palmer surrogates fielded Lower House candidates in most electorates, they just didn’t get up. They are Registered political parties and they do have Senate representation.

    To your argument I would add, why isn’t the JLN measured? Maybe for the same reason the Teals aren’t. They aren’t a national concern.

  3. It will be interesting to look at the body language of the Opposition today. The election loss, followed by this Newspoll bump for the government after the first week of federal parliament. 🙂

  4. Just watched Anika Wells Aged Care/ Sports Minister…..These ministers are impressive. No spin, no BS, no shouting, just a serious focus what need to be done with a bit of heart.

  5. Great point Sprocket, the loony, nutty , peanuts are going with the don’t mention the war strategy with the Teals and hoping they will go away. the seat of Cook next…

  6. well i dont think the news pole result is that suprising considering the opposition focused on ishues that are not mainstream like cashlis debit card and cfmeu as wages are low whiy the liberals would focus on unions makes litle sence unles dutton wants to apeel to the base

  7. Ahh Steely outs himself as a right wing culture warrior with his “white/western culture” grievance. How surpisement.


  8. Windhoversays:
    Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:10 pm
    Wait till October. Lars predicted it would be peak Albo in October. He may have said October 21 but we know the old fellow simply confused his years.

    ‘Peak Albo’ was ‘Peak Lars’ at his bombastic. 🙂

  9. ”why are the Teal/Independents not appearing in the primary read out? They hold a dozen seats and are the emergent wave…”

    The Teals would be lumped in with “Independent / Other”. Their impact is much bigger their share of the vote, which I estimate would be about 4%, say an average primary vote of about 25% in about 25 seats. Actually not that far behind the Nationals.

    Interesting – single-member electorates normally work against new movements, but the “Teal” movement has used them to its advantage – money, appeal and clever targeting of seats.

  10. Looking at the Primary numbers from the election until this first Newspoll, it seems as though Labor are winning over Coalition voters from the election. That’s always a good sign for a new Labor government.


  11. Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
    Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:21 pm
    “ B.S. Fairmansays:
    Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:11 pm
    So which position has Petinos been offered?
    ————————————-
    [Dr John]

    Appears missionary!”

    ———

    Lols, from her salad days, waiting her turn on the back bench:

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-minister-caught-sexting-fellow-mp-by-girlfriend/d799391f-16e2-4570-965e-6b214600a6c6

    Imagine if it happened on Labor side. MSM will have field day and the rest I will leave it to your imagination.

    AE
    Kylie Tink and Sophie Scamps (North Sydney and Mackellar MPs) have high opinion of Matt Kean based on their statements of what Kean did with Climate change policy in NSW. 🙂

  12. Latest Pennsylvania Senate poll. And this is a Fox News poll!

    John Fetterman(D): 47%
    Dr Oz(R): 36%
    Everett Stern(I): 3%
    Other/Undecided: 13%
    Among PA Registered voters with an MOE of +/- 3%

  13. ”Ahh Steely outs himself as a right wing culture warrior with his “white/western culture” grievance…”

    Of course he is. It’s from the standard Culture Warrior handbook. So the Right objects to a policy or proposed reform. How does it go:

    – feign concern about the group of people most affected
    – state that the policy or reform will harm them, although not saying how
    – accuse people supporting the policy or reform of not caring about the affected group or actively harming them, again not saying how
    – never setting out what their objection actually is.
    – personal attack

  14. Steve777 @ #69 Monday, August 1st, 2022 – 8:20 am

    ”Ahh Steely outs himself as a right wing culture warrior with his “white/western culture” grievance…”

    Of course he is. It’s from the standard Culture Warrior handbook. So the Right objects to a policy or proposed reform. How does it go:

    – feign concern about the group of people most affected
    – state that the policy or reform will harm them, although not saying how
    – accuse people supporting the policy or reform of not caring about the affected group or actively harming them, again not saying how
    – never setting out what their objection actually is.
    – personal attack

    This deserves repeating so the RW Culture Warriors get the message that we know what they’re up to.

  15. Good morning Dawn Patrollers. Sorry for the lateness – my canine alarm went off 90 minutes late, and there was more news than usual for a Monday morning.

    Anthony Albanese has recorded the highest satisfaction rating for an incoming prime minister, delivering the Labor leader a commanding electoral footing on the back of a surge in popular support for the new government since the election, writes Simon Benson about the latest Newspoll.
    https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/nation/newspoll-record-electoral-satisfaction-rating-for-anthony-albanese/news-story/6ad1f681586961423e3eb75a05b99949
    Child poverty is a problem Labor can and must solve, urges Sean Kelly.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/child-poverty-a-problem-labor-can-and-must-solve-20220728-p5b5f9.html
    The ACCC says Australia’s biggest LNG exporters should divert more fuel into the domestic market and avoid an economy-damaging shortfall next year, reports Jacob Greber who refers to a scathing report that effectively accuses big gas producers of paying lip service to a “gentleman’s agreement” with the government to ensure sufficient domestic supply.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/labor-urged-to-trigger-gas-export-controls-20220731-p5b60e
    Matt O’Sullivan reports that The NSW government has been warned its flagship metro rail projects in Sydney face scores of high risks ranging from safety threats and further cost blowouts to compromised operations and a failure to meet long-term benefits.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-s-mega-rail-projects-running-into-high-safety-financial-risks-20220728-p5b591.html
    This weekend, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese delivered a speech that was far from the empty words of his predecessors. Thomas Mayor writes that, in his speech, Albanese didn’t just reaffirm his commitment to holding a referendum to enshrine an Indigenous Voice in this term of parliament, the priority proposal in the Uluru Statement. He went further, giving the public debate a possible question and new constitutional provisions.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/as-the-pm-spoke-at-garma-i-had-tears-in-my-eyes-20220729-p5b5pz.html
    Andrew Bolt reckons Anthony Albanese’s push for Aboriginal Voice will ruin Australia’s future.
    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-anthony-albaneses-push-for-aboriginal-voice-will-ruin-australias-future/news-story/0961ad8bb8a1c2f6621677428f96b7ce?amp
    Albanese has taken a welcome first step, but the government needs to produce Voice detail, says Michelle Grattan.
    https://theconversation.com/view-from-the-hill-albanese-takes-welcome-first-step-but-government-needs-to-produce-voice-detail-187981
    Mike Foley reports that industry leaders and experts have rejected calls from across the Coalition to stop the risk of foot and mouth disease devastating Australia’s livestock industry by closing the border with Indonesia, arguing such a move wouldn’t remove risks but would damage the economy and foreign relations.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/border-closures-an-overly-simplistic-solution-to-foot-and-mouth-risk-industry-says-20220731-p5b5z4.html
    The Whitlam Government took office with public support for fundamental changes in our approach to our region, to embrace reality. The Albanese government is tangled in the neocon skirts of Morrison and Dutton, opines Dennis Argall.
    https://johnmenadue.com/teal-is-important-but-blood-red-international-issues-are-dangerously-neglected/
    Luke Henriques-Gomes further lifts the lid on providers in the welfare-to-work system who are making lucrative earnings by enrolling clients into their own taxpayer-funded programs. Rort Central.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/01/it-felt-insulting-welfare-recipients-sent-to-body-language-courses-as-job-agencies-profit
    Alan Kohler writes that Labor’s climate change safeguard mechanism is going to be a minefield. He says Adam Bandt and the Greens won’t have to worry too much about arguing alone against new gas projects and coal mines for long – every existing mine and big business will soon join them in the fight.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2022/08/01/labor-climate-change-kohler/
    Companies that ignore climate risks or engage in “greenwashing” will be increasingly exposed under emerging reporting rules that have been backed by an unprecedented coalition of Australian accounting, finance and investor groups.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/momentum-builds-for-national-approach-to-climate-risk-reporting-20220729-p5b5ps
    There’s a longstanding but unacknowledged – and often unnoticed – bias in mainstream commentary on the state of the economy. We dwell on problems created by governments or greedy workers and their interfering unions, but never entertain the thought that the behaviour of business could be part of the problem, says Ross Gittins who does not hold back in his prosecution of this.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-inflation-fix-protect-profits-hit-workers-and-consumers-20220731-p5b600.html
    Australians are still waiting for a real response from the Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor to Jim Chalmers’s economic statement. Angus Taylor’s media site released a political statement on the forthcoming economic statement on the day prior to the delivery of Dr Jim Chalmer’s economic statement, writes Dennis Bright.
    https://theaimn.com/some-avoidance-clouds-over-delivery-of-the-treasurers-economic-statement-and-the-october-budget/
    Melbourne property prices are falling at their fastest rate since the global financial crisis as the RBA’s aggressive tightening of interest rates hits – and more rates pain is expected tomorrow, says Shane Wright.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/house-values-tumble-and-could-drop-faster-as-rates-set-to-rise-20220731-p5b5yv.html
    Corrs Chambers Westgarth assisted in establishing the “Ellis defence”, which helped insulate the Catholic Church against abuse claims. Now it is parting ways with its longstanding, lucrative client – but won’t say why, writes, Cameron Houston.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/law-firm-dumps-catholic-church-after-60-years-but-won-t-say-why-20220729-p5b5ot.html
    Jacqui Maley has a good look at the way our parliament is working.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-sweet-parliamentary-week-but-real-change-can-be-a-drag-just-ask-the-speaker-20220729-p5b5px.html
    Albanese wants to change the way politics is done. This means the way politics is reported will have to change too, argues Dennis Muller in an interesting contribution.
    https://theconversation.com/albanese-wants-to-change-the-way-politics-is-done-this-means-the-way-politics-is-reported-will-have-to-change-too-187778
    The rise of the Teals and Greens represents a structural shift in Australia’s political landscape. This shift reflects deep-seated electoral disaffection with both major parties. In 2022 around 33 percent of the primary vote went to minor parties and independents rather than Labor and the Coalition. Yet Labor continues to behave as if the last election was a ‘business as usual’ change of government. This is a misreading that leaves it teetering on a tightrope, writes Peter Christoff.
    https://johnmenadue.com/teetering-on-a-tightrope-labor-the-teals-and-tactics/
    Nick Cater has a big whinge about the “woke” and godless Labor party over Albanese taking an affirmation when being sworn in, and Sue Lines wanting to see the Lord’s prayer scrapped from parliament.
    https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/conservatives-lose-their-religion-and-thus-lose-their-way/news-story/190371f49c10f1f9ffd9a4ec089bf204
    Dominic Perrottet has sacked his small business and fair trading minister Eleni Petinos after allegations she bullied workers emerged during a horror week for his government. Another one bites the dust.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/eleni-petinos-sacked-following-bullying-allegations-20220731-p5b63d.html
    Senior NSW Liberals believe Trade Minister Stuart Ayres should stand aside pending the outcome of two inquiries into John Barilaro’s appointment to a US trade job as a new cache of previously secret documents relating to the decision is uncovered, writes Lucy Cormack. Soon to be another dust biter?
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/veil-lifted-on-barilaro-papers-pressure-mounts-on-ayres-to-step-aside-20220731-p5b60r.html
    Lisa Visentin reports that Labor backbenchers will seek to reverse a 25-year ban on the ACT and Northern Territory legalising voluntary assisted dying this week, as debate begins in the federal parliament pitting territory rights against staunch opposition to euthanasia. Let’s hope that horrible legacy of Kevin Andrews and his sidekick Eric Abetz gets booted.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/parliament-to-host-de-facto-euthanasia-debate-with-territory-rights-bill-20220728-p5b5ct.html
    The nation’s largest wildlife rescue organisation has failed to properly deploy the record $100 million in donations it received in the wake of the Black Summer bushfires and has been damaged by poor management and a culture of recrimination and secrecy, says a board member who has resigned in frustration, reports Nick O’Malley.
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/failure-to-spend-bushfire-donations-prompts-wires-board-defection-20220729-p5b5q8.html
    A new system for NDIS participants to challenge “unfair” funding cuts will be fast-tracked as the Albanese government tries to dramatically reduce the number of cases being fought in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, reports Dan Jervis-Bardy.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7837752/system-to-stop-unfair-ndis-cuts-to-be-fast-tracked-shorten/?cs=27845
    The SMH editorial points out that the AMA’s membership across all medical disciplines has been steadily falling from its heyday in the 1960s, when it spoke for 95 per cent of the nation’s doctors, and even from 1987, when it represented 50 per cent. Today the association represents less than 30 per cent of the country’s 104,000 doctors. It says the body needs renewed clarity of purpose.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/ama-needs-renewed-clarity-of-purpose-20220731-p5b60i.html
    PR companies working for the fossil fuel industry are appropriating language from within the climate movement, using it to perpetuate climate denial, writes Stella Levantesi.
    https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/dont-be-fooled-by-fossil-fuel-industrys-green-word-salads,16609
    Just a week ago it was generally believed that the chances of the United States passing its crucial climate bill were dead, sunk by a Republican Party that does not care and a Democratic senator with a deciding vote who had walked away from negotiations, the West Virginian coal man Joe Manchin, writes Nick O’Malley, but now there will be the IRA, the single largest emissions’ reduction action ever taken by US congress.
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/good-news-on-climate-is-so-rare-it-should-be-celebrated-20220731-p5b606.html
    In the first of a wave of referendums across the country on abortion rights, Kansas voters will decide on Tuesday whether the state’s constitution protects the right to terminate a pregnancy. Should Kansans pass the ballot measure, it would give state lawmakers leeway to ban the procedure, which they appear likely to do. The place is f****d!
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/31/abortion-kansas-constitution-referendum

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    From the US



  16. About time the Fat Cats were belled:

    There’s a longstanding but unacknowledged – and often unnoticed – bias in mainstream commentary on the state of the economy. We dwell on problems created by governments or greedy workers and their interfering unions, but never entertain the thought that the behaviour of business could be part of the problem, says Ross Gittins who does not hold back in his prosecution of this.

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-inflation-fix-protect-profits-hit-workers-and-consumers-20220731-p5b600.html

  17. Before and during the election campaign Labor’s opponents ( political and in the media) relentlessly persecuted the case that there was no sunlight between the majors, one was as bad as the other. PUPs extraordinary spend, while not resulting in it’s own electoral success, was a major drive in pushing this message. This messaging was the key factor in keeping Labor’s primary low at the election.

    Guess what? That message was complete bs. The government’s actions since coming to power has proved this in many voters eyes. Voters won’t forget those who misled them.

  18. Anthony Albanese has recorded the highest satisfaction rating for an incoming prime minister,

    Well Albo did have an advantage all the other incoming PM’s did not have, the ‘outgone’ PM.

  19. Morning all. Thanks for the roundup BK. A noticeable silence from the RW harpies in the wake of Newspoll.

    The Newspoll result is no less than Albo deserves. He and the inner Cabinet have worked tirelessly since election. He must be exhausted.

    Conversely Dutton’s figures are no more than he deserved. Despite the spin the Liberals were comprehensively rejected at the election. Yet Dutton has learnt nothing and served up more of the same.

    If some comments from friends in SA are anything to go by, Dutton is unelectable in SA.

  20. “Oh and an absolute hatred of anything to do with white/western culture.”

    Well hatred is a strong word, but the essential characteristic of your klansmen’s club you call white / western culture, is colonialism, slavery giving way to economic exploitation and appropriation. Can you remind us what you klansmen are so f*cking proud of?

  21. From the ‘Only in (f’cuked up) America’ file.

    Alabama prisons say reporter’s skirt too short to witness execution
    Published: Jul. 29, 2022, 6:50 p.m.

    Alabama prison officials examined female reporters’ clothing and tried to block a female reporter with AL.com from witnessing Thursday night’s execution of a death-row inmate, saying her skirt and shoes violated a prison dress code

    https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2022/07/alabama-prisons-say-reporters-skirt-too-short-to-witness-execution.html?outputType=amp

  22. ”Mike Foley reports that industry leaders and experts have rejected calls from across the Coalition to stop the risk of foot and mouth disease devastating Australia’s livestock industry by closing the border with Indonesia, arguing such a move wouldn’t remove risks but would damage the economy and foreign relations.”

    The Coalition is gearing up to blame the new Government for the outbreak of Foot and Mouth, should it occur. As with “boats”, they’re barracking for F&M virus. That’s all they’ve got other than tired old Culture War tropes.

  23. From the AFR article BK linked above:

    “The ACCC has a strong preference for gas to be separately marketed,” the authors said in the report. “Joint market without authorisation risks breaching the Competition and Consumer Act.”

    The current joint venture marketing and exclusivity arrangements “increase the risk of co-ordinated conduct and increase the market power of the LNG exporters”.

    Wot?? A cartel? 🙁 Gas companies seem to be putting the Govt in a position where they HAVE to act, and be seen to act. Hope the Govt sits the bastards on the rough end of a pineappleduring “discussions”.

  24. imacca at 9:14 am

    Hope the Govt sits the bastards on the rough end of a pineappleduring “discussions”.

    I hope so too but do not have high hopes. The companies involved are huge and have decades of experience in handling bolshie governments and have a very impressive win/loss ration.

  25. Excellent article on the Teal phenomenon …

    https://johnmenadue.com/teetering-on-a-tightrope-labor-the-teals-and-tactics/

    For decades, the TPPS (Two Party Preferred System) had enabled the major parties selectively to ‘overlook’ public opinion on certain ‘existential’ and ‘core moral’ issues – such as climate change (majority support for ratification of the Kyoto Protocol and now strong mitigation action), human rights (including marriage equality and refugee rights), and key foreign policy concerns (majority popular opposition to Australia’s participation in various foreign wars this century).

    If this view holds, as I think it will, 2022 may have been a watershed… the last election in which a national Australian Labor government is formed ‘in its own right’. Instead, negotiated coalitions of Labor-centre independents-Greens (as occurred with the Gillard government) will be more likely and perhaps the norm. This will mirror the now customary politics of the Australian Right (Liberals-Nationals), which has however also failed and now will also need to consider links with centre independents, or the Far Right.

    Welcome to European politics. If the trend is toward an enduring refashioning of Australian politics, with the emergence of a significant ‘third power’ bloc comprised of Independents and Greens, this raises significant questions about the future culture of interaction between likely allies.

    Labor’s traditional hostility towards the Greens and now the Teals will prove to be both self-harming and counterproductive. A wholly different approach is required from Labor to ensure its future as a potential partner in government, which is not assured – note the fate of the SPD in Germany – and to enhance good government.

    So, where to from here … ?

    For a start, Labor has to choose whether or not to try and bolster the Teals, in the hope that the result is repeated in 2025. The Teals’ three core issues – integrity, women, climate –line up in an ascending order of difficulty. Establishing a federal ICAC deals (nominally) with the first. Levering more women into Parliament – which the Teals themselves helped to do – and into powerful positions in government, is also achievable though harder.

    The last – climate change – is exceptionally difficult, and also symptomatic of the problems I have indicated. By legislating its -43% by 2030 target, Labor has signalled that it will not be bending – either to the Teals’ more ambitious but still moderate aim of -60% or more, or the Greens’ tougher -75%.

    This leaves Labor with a set of difficulties. On the one hand, it may wish to represent that target as a ‘floor’ – a bare minimum – and aim to out-achieve it. Given the complexities of policy implementation and the public’s general disregard for the numbers, this may be a good way to go.

    On the other hand, if overachievement is not the real ambition, Australia is left with an almost insurmountable 57% reduction in emissions to be achieved in the last two decades before 2050, and Labor will rightly be lampooned supporting a target so low that it is clearly at odds with the intentions of the Paris Agreement. And it has simply dug a trench between itself and the the Teals and Greens.

    Labor is digging in – but it may end up digging its own grave.

  26. As to Scomo and Cook I don’t believe that Scomo is going to throw in the towel just yet. He is sitting on the sidelines in exile waiting/hoping for Dutto to become what PJK described Alexander Downer as the “Christmas Turkey” if Dutto has 6-12 months of bad polling he could strike back by forcing a leadership challenge against Dutto citing how he, Scomo always had better relations with the MSM.

  27. Thanks BK, you gave me time to get into my exercise early. I often have good reason to delay it due to the multitudinous reading options (chuckles).

  28. Thanks BK.

    Lidia Thorpe, who I’m not the greatest fan of, though she doesn’t stimulate the fear and loathing in me that others seem to experience, was clear and articulate on RN this morning about the Voice, and far from rejecting it out of hand while explaining her reservations.

    So refreshing to have Norman Swan guest hosting today instead of PK – of whom I am also not a fan.

  29. ““The ACCC has a strong preference for gas to be separately marketed,” the authors said in the report. “Joint market without authorisation risks breaching the Competition and Consumer Act.”

    The current joint venture marketing and exclusivity arrangements “increase the risk of co-ordinated conduct and increase the market power of the LNG exporters”.”

    Yet not one regulator blinked when the fuckers signed all those pump or pay Asia hub price-linked long term contracts.

    (FWIW the main problem is Santos, who didn’t have the proven reserves to fill their contracts, and have subsequently sucked gas out of the east coast for the entire duration of their LNG export existence to cover their shortfall.)

  30. WeWantPaul @ #79 Monday, August 1st, 2022 – 9:05 am

    “Oh and an absolute hatred of anything to do with white/western culture.”

    Well hatred is a strong word, but the essential characteristic of your klansmen’s club you call white / western culture, is colonialism, slavery giving way to economic exploitation and appropriation. Can you remind us what you klansmen are so f*cking proud of?

    White/western culture. Slavery, plus:

    Martin Luther—the same man who redefined Christianity—was brilliantly vulgar. “I resist the devil, and often it is with a fart that I chase him away,” is one of his tamer aphorisms. Goethe used poop jokes to lash back at critics.

    Absolutely superior. No doubt at all.

  31. Labor’s traditional hostility towards the Greens ……is a fiction. To the extent there is friction with the Greens, this originates from the eternal Labor-hostile campaigning of the wretched Apostasy, who benefit from the assignment of Labor-prefs with any pre-conditions, while gratifying themselves with dysfunctional but politically profitable Labor-phobics.

    The Greens are a Labor-phobic outfit. Menadue has things wrong. They will clearly not be able to bring themselves to support Labor on the climate. They are defined by their prejudices….just as the Lying Reactionaries are defined by theirs.

  32. https://www.pollbludger.net/2022/07/31/newspoll-56-44-to-labor-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-3959535

    I always think that some of the culture war arguments against Aboriginal recognition in the constitution are based upon the Christian heresy of Predestination where “We the white Protestant people were anointed by God to colonise and rule Australia” When the real story was, Australia was colonised by the British because it lost its ability to send convicts to what is now the United States due to the US Revolution.

  33. Perhaps the US Democrats could give Labor a lesson on how to make the public accept new coal and gas extraction …

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/01/labors-climate-bill-is-mostly-symbolic-the-big-questions-are-about-what-comes-next

    If it passes Congress, it is likely to be genuinely transformational. The bill allocates huge amounts for tax credits on renewable energy and battery production, rebates on household electric vehicles and green appliances, support for environmental justice projects in communities that are disproportionately affected by the climate emergency and funding to address highly potent methane emissions.

    The authors say it could lift the country from a 30% to a 40% cut in emissions by 2030 compared with 2005 levels and put Joe Biden’s 50% reduction target within reach.

    Not everything in the bill, optimistically called the Inflation Reduction Act, is climate positive. It also includes significant concessions to fossil fuels, which were deemed necessary to get Manchin across the line. There will be new leases for oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska – a step that would break a Biden election commitment – and faster approval processes for gas pipelines.

    At another time, these sort of measures might have prompted a stronger negative reaction. Some critics have argued that while fossil fuel elements in the deal are dwarfed by the support for renewable energy, they could drive an expanding demand for gas that locks it in well into the future. But pro-climate action Democrats and activists have mostly applauded the bill as a breakthrough. Their position can be summarised as a combination of “the positives are immense” and “this is far more than the nothing we expected a week ago”.

    The Democrats method is to first trash the public’s expectations that things might ever improve. Then anything you do offer looks like a win.

    We call ourselves the “Clever Country”, so how come we didn’t think of that? …. except perhaps some did. Perhaps one of the reasons the COALition was so intransigent was that it made Labor’s net-zero ambition policy look like a credible alternative. Then the fossil fuel cartel wins either way.

    Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

  34. No time to bludge @ #93 Monday, August 1st, 2022 – 9:43 am

    Labor’s traditional hostility towards the Greens ……is a fiction. To the extent there is friction with the Greens, this originates from the eternal Labor-hostile campaigning of the wretched Apostasy, who benefit from the assignment of Labor-prefs with any pre-conditions, while gratifying themselves with dysfunctional but politically profitable Labor-phobics.

    The Greens are a Labor-phobic outfit. Menadue has things wrong. They will clearly not be able to bring themselves to support Labor on the climate. They are defined by their prejudices….just as the Lying Reactionaries are defined by theirs.

    Have you ever considered stand-up?

  35. C@tmomma says:
    Monday, August 1, 2022 at 8:38 am
    About time the Fat Cats were belled:

    “There’s a longstanding but unacknowledged – and often unnoticed – bias in mainstream commentary on the state of the economy. We dwell on problems created by governments or greedy workers and their interfering unions, but never entertain the thought that the behaviour of business could be part of the problem, says Ross Gittins who does not hold back in his prosecution of this.”

    Agreed, bloody workers, why can’t they just be satisfied with their lot in life. I noticed an article in the AFR about a week ago doing all sorts of inverted twists to try to reinterpret the graphs showing the corporate super profits compared to the measly wage rises of workers over the past decade. It was simply ridiculous, another case of defending the indefensible and blaming workers for potential inflation increases. These deceptions infuriate me I must admit.

  36. Speaking of defending the indefensible:

    Stuart Ayres, holding a press conference and licking his lips a lot. It’s winter. 😐

  37. John Cee says:
    Monday, August 1, 2022 at 8:38 am
    “Before and during the election campaign Labor’s opponents ( political and in the media) relentlessly persecuted the case that there was no sunlight between the majors, one was as bad as the other. PUPs extraordinary spend, while not resulting in it’s own electoral success, was a major drive in pushing this message. This messaging was the key factor in keeping Labor’s primary low at the election. Guess what? That message was complete bs. The government’s actions since coming to power has proved this in many voters eyes. Voters won’t forget those who misled them.”

    Too right, I’d be interested in a serious journalist tracking down Clive Palmer to try to see what he was really trying to achieve, what he actually expected to achieve, whether he thinks it was worth it and whether he do the same in the future. I haven’t seen any really independent analyses of these questions anywhere.

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