The Australian reports the latest Newspoll has Labor leading 53-47, in from 54-46 three weeks ago. The primary votes are Coalition 37% (up two), Labor 38% (steady), Greens 11% (steady) and One Nation 2% (down one). Scott Morrison is down two on approval to 44% and up two on disapproval to 52%, while Anthony Albanese is respectively steady on 37% and up two to 48%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister has been cut from 48-34 to 46-38. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1524.
There must be some woke jokesters inside the Coalition:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/16/coalition-waters-down-religious-discrimination-bill-by-scrapping-folau-clause
mundo @ #37 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 6:46 pm
Those you speak of were seen in similar terms before they took office. Cometh the hour, cometh the leader.
PrincePlanet @ #1009 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 7:08 pm
The thought of three more years of imbecilic LNP rule ( Barnaby et Al) is too horrible.
Horrible indeed. But it is the historically most-likely result. Those who wish to see the end of this LNP government will have to align themselves with and give their whole support to Labor.
Boerwar @ #45 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 6:53 pm
Can’t be seen as TOO Palmer adjacent or people might wake up to the scam.
Petrol and diesel prices in Perth are at or close to all-time highs.From what I see other cities are similar.
A year ago diesel cost me $1.057 a litre. This week it was $1.65, and that at a cheaper servo on the outskirts of the city.
The cheek of Morrison to start talking about fuel prices being higher under Labor is breathtaking. But with the media onside and an easily scared electorate there’s a fair chance he can get away with it.
Common knowledge quiz:
Which two musicians/singers died at age 32, on separate times but in the same flat?
Bitdefender tells me that since the 12th of November I have received well over 100 phishing attempts on my computer. The name presspatron appears in the address the phishing is alleged to come from.
I hope they have not been hijacked.
TPOF: “I want stuff to happen that will improve the lives of poorer and less powerful Australians, or at least stop the degradation of their rights, freedoms and earning power. The Greens simply can’t do that because too few Australians support their views and would vote Coalition if that was their only choice.”
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Well then I would respectfully suggest that you are voting for the wrong party, as Labor teamed up with the Coalition to give tax cuts to the rich and then went on to also leave people on JobSeeker below the poverty line.
Half of Labor is pulling one way and half is pulling the other. It is a divided party, you can see that just here on PB. The Right Faction dominates the direction of the party and uses the Left to make up the numbers.
Imagine how powerful the left in Australia would be if all of the Labor Left joined the Greens – the party that far better represents their views.
Whats more, there is zero danger of helping the Coalition by giving the Greens your 1st preference and Labor your 2nd. None. In fact, it is a far stronger vote against the Coalition than just voting 1 Labor, as the two parties of the establishment so regularly vote together.
If you truly oppose the Coalition, vote Green.
ajm
I was expecting them to run it as a wedge. Not sure where this is going, now.
Boerwar @ #53 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 7:00 pm
With Folau possibly running as a Palmer candidate, it would be another reason for previous Liberal voters to vote for a “Voi es” candidate rather than the Liberal if they see too much connection between the Libs and Palmer.
ff
If you see politics in terms of party political purity you will be an irrelevant minority forever, unless you attach yourself parasitically to the Labor party in power, which seems to be the only strategy the Greens have. Except, stupidly, they are doing everything possible to ensure that Labor cannot gain power.
the clods think they can finesse their Labor bashing so that Labor becomes a minority government, but, like every other of their plans, their ideological purity is only exceeded by their political incompetence.
Been off grid. Appears to be a slow day..
PaulTu
There is absolutely no question of the Greens giving Labor confidence and supply in any hung parliament situation. If the Greens supported a Liberal government half their supporters, and members, wpuld walk away overnight, never to return.
Any suggestion of the Greens working with the Liberals would be absolutely disastrous to their brand. And there is nothing the Greens care more about than their brand.
The local Greens are nowhere near as clever or politically savvy as their German namesakes who can – and have – worked regularly with conservative parties in power sharing arrangements.
They’ve wedged themselves. They have no leverage. Sure they can vote with the Liberals to block Labor legislation, but again disastrous for their branding.
BW, is that the flat owned by Harry N ?
Keith M.. Mama C E
nath @ #1034 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 7:09 pm
Looking in from the outside, Andrews seems to be doing a reasonable job and, while it’s not really remarkable that I would vote/preference a Labor government considering my ideological bias, I wouldn’t exactly be holding my nose while voting for him and his government if I were a Victorian voter.
That said, I can 100% agree with the view that the “Our Dan and Saviour” shit is extremely weird and cult-like. Judging by some online commentary on the guy, you would think he is simultaneously the second coming of Jesus by all the worship he gets, as well as Frank Grimes from the Simpsons because he just can’t seem to catch a break – especially from all his mean critics.
A very fair question.
ajm
I agree with your comments about the Greens and the balance of power, but I disagree with your comments about the Democrats.
It wasn’t the GST that killed them. Their senate vote only fell marginally at the 2001 elecrion and they got four senators up.
What killed the democrats was the ensuing leadershit that went on for for years. Including the execrable behaviour of their parliamentary leader, and now perennial Greens candidate, Andrew Bartlett.
The Greens are a much more tight knit unit on the face of it, bound by their – let’s say devotion – to their four pillars. Any leadership rumblings are played out behind closed doors at party conferences from which all media are banned.
Love Anh Do’s interviewing style, full of empathy and compassion.
His art? Not so much.
TPOF: “If you see politics in terms of party political purity you will be an irrelevant minority forever”
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If people keep capitulating to the right and just making up the numbers, the right will continue to win forever.
I refuse to capitulate to the right or have my voice silenced by those who would rather side with the Coalition than side with the Greens!
I will not yield my support to the likes of the Liberals so that they may demonise the disadvantaged!
They will hear my voice of outraged opposition when they sit in the Chambers of Parliament and pass their terrible legislation, not be waved on and allowed to carry out their wanton destruction after some deal done in hushed voice in seedy back rooms.
I choose the party that represents the left in Australia!
I choose the party of progressives!
I choose the party that truly opposes the Coalition and refuses to surrender in fear of the right!
I choose the Greens!
3z @ #1068 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 7:26 pm
The GST stance is what set off the leadershit
BW,
27 has always been the dying age for serious Rock and rollers like Morrison, Joplin and Winehouse.
The answer to your question though, is Mama Cass and Keith Moon.
State Liberal MPs have encouraged a large and angry group of protesters gathered on the steps of Parliament House, some of whom had earlier chanted violent slogans around a full-sized gallows and called for people to “dance on the end of a rope”.
Right-wing Liberal MP Bernie Finn, who last week shared a picture of Premier Daniel Andrews dressed as Adolf Hitler, posted a selfie on Tuesday mingling with protesters as members of Parliament readied to debate the bill in the upper house. He captioned it saying they were “a couple of thousand of my closest friends”.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/liberal-mps-mingle-with-protesters-issuing-death-threats-on-the-steps-of-parliament-20211116-p599ey.html
The very idea that the Greens call themselves progressives. Hilarious.
The trick is in the word itself.
If you want to call yourself a progressive then you actually have to make some kind of progress. To do what is necessary to achieve progress. To win minds and votes and get into a position to make positive change happen. Not to retreat to inner urban enclaves and beachy tree changer idylls and pat yourself on the back for your ever so principled self-righteousness.
You can be the voice of outraged opposition all you like but until you actually qork to achieve something that’s not progressivism – its just posturing.
“Any leadership rumblings are played out behind closed doors at party conferences from which all media are banned.”
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Well we shan’t be taking any lessons from Labor on leadership – shall we say rumblings – that’s for sure…
Henry
“Love Anh Do’s interviewing style, full of empathy and compassion.”
The empathy and compassion is not always deserved. Anh once interviewed Alan Jones.
“His art? Not so much.”
With you there.
mundo says:
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 7:51 pm
‘Just caught up with slomo’s “petrol prices will always rise under labor, interest rates will always be higher under labor”’
If Labor lets it slide, it becomes true.
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It is happening – again.
Mexican Beemer,
I was about to answer Paul Tu’s “cat among the pigeons” question at 6.47 pm, but your answer that the Greens should sit on the cross-bench and treat every bill on its merits is a good one.
This to me seems to best mirror the Greens’ philosophy. They certainly criticise Labor as much as they do the Coalition, so I do not see why the Greens would prefer one over the other.
For Labor, if they did form a formal Coalition with the Greens in the event of a hung parliament, it would be the end of the Labor party, and I think they know that. Pasokification, encouraged by the Murdoch media, would leave Australia without a viable left-of-centre party that could feasibly take government.
Do not forget the Coalition governing Federally in Australia from 1949 – 1972. It could happen again. Another Vietnam anyone?
So why would Labor entering into a formal agreement with the Greens be such a disaster for Labor?
In both the NSW and Federal elections in 2019, Murdoch had a big splash on the front page of the Daily telegraph from Jenny Leong (NSW state) / Di Natale (Federal) on the Tuesday before the respective polls – avoiding any media blackout.
Murdoch giving the Greens the from page of the Daily telegraph may seem odd, but in both cases, Leong and Di Natale told Daily telegraph readers what they were going to make Labor do if Labor won. As if they had the power to make Labor do anything , but the low conscientiousness conservative (LCC) voters (thanks for the Scientific American article Poroti), just lap it up, and share Liberal party moms win Facebook about how a vote for Labor is a vote for the Greens. It spreads like a virus.
I have always thought that this cost Labor a percent or two among undecided voters (undecided between Liberal and Labor) at both the NSW state and the Federal elections in 2019.
The minority government led by Gillard from 2010 – 2013, which the Greens claimed was a Greens-Labor government (it was not, Bandt was just one of several who allowed Labor to form Government), in the minds of the swinging voters of Australia, gives an aura of authenticity to the claim by the Greens, on the front page of the Daily Telegraph, that they can make Labor enact policy that these swinging voters will not under any circumstances vote for.
And these swinging voters did not like it, and I suspect they still do not.
So, I think Labor’s best option, if minority government presents itself, is to only form government if enough independents and Adam Bandt agree not to disrupt supply.
I actually think with the number of conservative leaning independents in parliament, the Greens will be irrelevant in deciding who forms government.
And as concerned as Zali Steggal is about Climate change and other small “l” liberal concerns (and good on her, I have. a lot of time for her), she is not suicidal, and will support a Coalition government under all circumstances, and try and get her legislation up one piece at a time. I expect the same for Helen Haines and Rebekah Sharkie. Bob Katter goes without saying.
Also, the well know Green supporter John Quiggin, who I generally have a lot of time for, is urging people to put Labor last (has he gone emeritus, as I am about to do?). Why on Earth would you have any truck with a party that wants you to lose? Quiggin: https://johnquiggin.com/2021/11/08/put-labor-last/
The Greens would just blow up any Labor government as soon as they could, and Murdoch would have another notch in his belt as to support his “If you vote Labor, you get the Greens” campaign.
Three more years of Morrison? Australia will be unrecognisable. Protest against any government legislation, with nooses? And the Morrison government will be cheering it on.
Australia will become Steve Bannon / Trump heaven.
But I cannot see how any alliance between Labor and the Greens can ameliorate this situation.
If you want to change the Government, preference Labor over the Coalition. I do not care who you vote for in position 1, who gets your $2.50, or whatever it is. Greens, Independents, your local Lunatic Fringe candidate. A few of them may get up, and good luck to them. But mostly your vote with end up with either Labor or Liberal.
Please put Liberal last, or we will have another three years of Morrison!
”…I can 100% agree with the view that the “Our Dan and Saviour” shit is extremely weird and cult-like. Judging by some online commentary on the guy, you would think he is simultaneously the second coming of Jesus by all the worship he gets”
Could it be a reaction to the vicious and ongoing years-long campaigning against him by Newscorp allied to a particularly nasty opposition?
“The very idea that the Greens call themselves progressives. Hilarious.
The trick is in the word itself.”
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Yeah, here’s a hint; voting for a party that teams up with conservatives like the Coalition isn’t a progressive thing to do, it just makes you one of them.
Voting for the party of Adani and Beetaloo, Labor, is not a progressive thing to do.
Voting for a party like Labor which supports tax cuts for the rich and leaving people in poverty is not a progressive thing to do.
Voting for a party like Labor which abuses innocent asylum seekers with their Coalition mates is not a progressive thing to do.
This is exactly why the Labor Left need to stop being used to make up the numbers for this destructive and conservative garbage.
Steve777 says:
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 8:48 pm
”…I can 100% agree with the view that the “Our Dan and Saviour” shit is extremely weird and cult-like. Judging by some online commentary on the guy, you would think he is simultaneously the second coming of Jesus by all the worship he gets”
Could it be a reaction to the vicious and ongoing years-long campaigning against him by Newscorp allied to a particularly nasty opposition?
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Apologist.
Douglas and Milko says:
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 8:48 pm
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Applying your logic – The Daily Tele had a front page “Save our Albo” – what does that mean/say about Albo’s relationship with News Limited?
Lars,
Goodness gracious me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUZCXaStvnc
“So why would Labor entering into a formal agreement with the Greens be such a disaster for Labor?
In both the NSW and Federal elections in 2019, Murdoch had a big splash on the front page of the Daily telegraph from Jenny Leong (NSW state) / Di Natale (Federal) on the Tuesday before the respective polls – avoiding any media blackout.”
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Yeah well I won’t be running and hiding from Murdoch and deciding who I vote for based on what he does. Stuff that.
Like I said, I vote for the Greens, the party that refuses to run in fear from the right. We will not capitulate.
A vote for Labor is a vote to support terrible Coalition policies.
Vote Greens if you really want to oppose the Coalition and their destructive agenda.
Steve777 @ #1079 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 8:18 pm
Seriously, you think Andrews is the first person ever in politics to suffer the inconvenience of criticism and opposition? He’s a politician FFS. If he doesn’t like it he can choose a career in literally anything else. As it stands, he is the leader of the government in the country’s second most populous state and, while I don’t know what his financial situation is like, I suspect he’s probably well-off enough. I am sure he will survive having his feelings hurt by a newspaper journalist or opposition leader.
Politicians work for us. Not the other way around.
Lars Von Trier @ #1080 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 7:53 pm
That they hate Albo strictly less than the Greens and Shorten. But, they still hate him.
C@tmommasays:
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 7:26 pm
He has what is so necessary for a towering political figure. Height. A great voice. A way with words. Integrity.
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Integrity. You have got to be joking.
Andrews should try being in SA politics for a month. If he is as fragile as his simps make him out to be, he would fall apart the first time he reads the Sunday Mail.
Taylormade @ #1086 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 8:59 pm
You using the word integrity! You have got to be joking. You wouldn’t know what it was if it bit you on the l’arse.
Lars
Murdoch and the Daily tele were trying to stir up Leadershit in the Labor party, to destabilise Bill Shorten.
I am not necessarily saying the Greens – Leong and Di Natale – are willing participants in the Telegraph from pages, although they certainly make it easy for Murdoch.
But Albo actually did nothing to provoke that particular Daily Tele from page,
Wat Tyler says:
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 8:23 pm
That said, I can 100% agree with the view that the “Our Dan and Saviour” shit is extremely weird and cult-like. Judging by some online commentary on the guy, you would think he is simultaneously the second coming of Jesus by all the worship he gets, as well as Frank Grimes from the Simpsons because he just can’t seem to catch a break – especially from all his mean critics.
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It’s way over the top. It’s been a pretty good government, most notably the Euthanasia law, gay conversion ban, level crossing work and metro announcement. We have a move to decriminalise sex work. It has been shitty on the environment imho. It’s association with Crown Casino needs to be examined thoroughly and there are a host of other smaller matters I won’t bore anyone with.
They probably don’t need to do any reform any more, the Liberals are such a joke here that Andrews can probably just occupy the center and ride out another term or two.
3z @ #1072 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 8:41 pm
Fantastic comment!
Posing and posturing get you nowhere. Giving yourself warm fuzzy feelings inside because you are so Right On! Ditto.
Doing the hard yards of persuading a majority of people in a majority of electorates nationwide to vote for your party in the Lower House is something that The Greens have been incapable of doing since their inception.
The Greens can criticise Labor all they want, but it’s only Labor that can put Progressive policies into action and make them a reality. If they’re not good enough for The Greens, too bad. Get back to me when you have persuaded a majority of people in a majority of electorates in the nation to vote for Greens candidates in the Lower House. That will mean that you have persuaded enough people to support your policies. Anything else, such as ‘Labor must do this’, or ‘We want to hold the Balance of Power so that we can tell Labor what to do’, can go take a running jump. Into the political wilderness, where it belongs. Along with all the other MPs in the Lower House with one Member.
In the Senate, we can talk. Just like any government does. And work together, not be antagonists.
I know it’s a novel idea for The Greens, but they should try it some time. They might get more of the things they want. Just maybe not 100%. You know, like in real life. Like adults do.
Taylormade.
That’s your considered response? It’s not very good, is it?
Have a look at the vid I posted at 5.57 and see who is running the show in Victoria.
Your Libs are a rabble and I don’t expect Matthew Guy to be leading the Libs for much longer.
Wat Tyler @ #1088 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 9:00 pm
Did you see the comment from a Herald Sun article I posted around 3pm. Appalling that it got passed the moderators
Firefox
So are you on board with Quiggin’s put Labor last push?
And how do you thing keeping Morrison in Government for the next three years will further the Greens’ agenda?
Regarding Dan Andrews, I am viewing from a distance but he does seem to be getting a harder time from the Murdoch media than other Governments, even Labor ones. Note the differential treatments of the Berejiklian and Andrews Governments during their respective Covid breakouts for one thing.
“But Albo actually did nothing to provoke that particular Daily Tele from page,”
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Ah yes, who can forget Murdoch’s rag pleading for Albo to be saved from those evil Greens commies!
Cat,
Whenever someone calls themselves a progressive, I reach for my revolver.
It’s a nothing assertion blurted by nothing people.
Douglas and Milko says:
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:04 pm
Lars
Applying your logic – The Daily Tele had a front page “Save our Albo” – what does that mean/say about Albo’s relationship with News Limited?
Murdoch and the Daily tele were trying to stir up Leadershit in the Labor party, to destabilise Bill Shorten.
I am not necessarily saying the Greens – Leong and Di Natale – are willing participants in the Telegraph from pages, although they certainly make it easy for Murdoch.
But Albo actually did nothing to provoke that particular Daily Tele from page,
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Your post is factually wRong.
Greensborough Growler says:
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:09 pm
Cat,
Whenever someone calls themselves a progressive, I reach for my revolver.
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Should we be concerned?
When he was re-elected Premier in November 2018, Andrews declared he led “the most progressive government” in “the most progressive state in the nation”.
https://www.afr.com/politics/dan-divides-victorians-down-the-middle-20201021-p5678j