It’s time for a new general discussion thread, but do take note of the other important new posts below this one before diving in:
• New state polling from Western Australia suggests there will be little left of the parliamentary Liberal Party after the election there in March;
• Guest contributor Adrian Beaumont offers his weekly situation report on the ever-eventful US election campaign;
• I launch my Queensland election guide, and in doing so provide a thread for discussion of that state’s October 31 election;
• I humbly plead for donations, as I do every two months.
Other than that, there is one further poll to report on in the shape of a Roy Morgan SMS poll from Victoria, following on from a similar efforts two and three weeks ago. This finds the Labor state government’s two-party lead unchanged at 51.5-48.5, but Daniel Andrews is down nine on approval to 61% and up nine on disapproval to 39%. There has also been movement in sentiment against existing COVID-19 restrictions, with a 61-39 split in favour of lifting the five kilometre rule (50-50 last time), 59-41 in favour of visits to immediate family members (55-45 in favour last time) and 56-44 in favour of a resumption of table service (63-37 against last time). The poll was conducted Monday and Tuesday from a sample of 2223.
Why you can thank the mouth-breathing economic dunce squad called the Morrison government for the depth of the coming recession:
“This is not just a university problem. International students spend much more in the economy than just on student fees, and so it has an effect on the entire economy when they aren’t coming.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-05/how-australia-international-students-driven-away-during-covid-19/12721488
lefty
That is less about being an economic dunce, and more about the selfishness and lack of care for fellow human beings that characterises modern Australia.
Oakeshott Country @ #1346 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 11:09 am
My cousin was a GP in Yass.
lefty_e @ #1348 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 11:19 am
‘Here are a few reasons you can thank the mouth-breathing economic dunce squad called the Morrison government for the depth of the coming recession…’
Mr Albanese began, in what became a wide ranging demolition of the LNPs 7 years in government. He continued with….’………….
It’s a diplomacy problem too. How many of those students go back with their Australian experience and get important positions in their home countries?
Initials GB?
Greensborough Growler @ #1323 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 10:27 am
Poroti, Dr Freddie is blind. Doesn’t read. Never bothered to learn braille.
He just feels the vibe.
After this twitter outburst from Claudia (daughter of) Conway
I’m furious. wear your masks. don’t listen to out idiot president piece of shit. protect yourselves and those around you.
comes this news
Kellyanne Conway’s daughter Claudia, 15, says she has COVID on TikTok and feels ‘like hell’ after she revealed that her mom tested positive and was ‘coughing all around the house’ after attending SCOTUS ‘super-spreader’ event
mundo @ #18071 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 10:40 am
He found a vibrating poll? Someone should tell him that it’s…probably not a poll.
Walter Reed doctor slams Donald Trump for deranged drive by stunt
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/walter-reed-doctor-slams-donald-trump-for-deranged-drive-by-stunt/32807/
Oakeshott Country @ #1356 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 11:37 am
No, Michael T.
Cousin in law to be accurate. Lovely man. Late 60’s early 70s. Deceased.
Sweet jebus
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The GOP has destroyed itself in all of the states mentioned in this story. A complete and total freak show and after Trump loses it will only get crazier. It’s the Q-anon party for as far as the eye can see
In Biden’s Home State, Republican Centrism Gives Way to the Fringe
The Republican Party’s slide from statewide power to irrelevance in Delaware mirrored its swerve from moderation to the fringe. Now a QAnon fan is running for the Senate.
nytimes.com
Oakeshott Country @ #2448 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 11:09 am
Closer, My Rupert, to thee…
The word is that Trump did the drive by stunt so the stock market in the morning would go gangbusters.
That makes the most sense.
I use the term “GP in Yass” in memory of a fellow registrar who misbehaved badly at a mess dinner once. NOT your cousin
a r @ #1356 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 11:43 am
That Dr Blind Freddie sure plays a mean vibe poll.
Ain’t got no distractions
Can’t hear no buzzers and such
Don’t see no lights a-flashin’
Plays by sense of touch
Always gets a replay
Never seen him fold
That Dr Blind Freddie
Sure plays a mean vibe poll.
I think it is very important to note that the trumpeted “ tax cuts” are not cuts but a “ tax credit”. A totally different beast.
Workers will not see a increase in their take home wage ( if lucky enough to have a job) but will receive any benefit only when lodging their tax return.
If a person has a ongoing debt when lodging their return such as HECCS or child care they may not receive any real and tangible boost at all.
There are messages floating around that the cuts may be backdated so any credits will pump out into the economy now. How that will work for those who have already lodged will be interesting to see. How the credits will benefit those on jobkeeper or jobseeker will also be interesting.
Billions of dollars but how much bang for buck ?
Another Scotty from Marketing sleight of hand:
Workers will not see a increase in their take home wage ( if lucky enough to have a job) but will receive any benefit only when lodging their tax return.
mundo
I thought the doctor was more a Beach Boys kinda guy.
I did consider standing to attention and giving the party salute, which, after psych clearance, would have led to a wonderful life as a GP in Yass.
My wife’s first offer of employment as a SP was in Yass. She held out for a better offer, and took Gosford, then hightailed it back to Qld after 6 months for job at Tweed/Mur’bah.
Gosford is a much improved hospital these days. It’s even got its own Med School and Research Institute.
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/doctors-fast-one-donald-trump-dexamethasone/32790/
poroti @ #1369 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 11:59 am
Bad vibes if you ask me……
I missed the Vic presser, but picked this up on the Guardian.
So the journos ask Dan
Answer
Just for the record, It’s Ita’s ABC has two stories on Trump’s Virus DriveBy, one of the latest News, one on the Live Blog.
Neither makes any mention of the risks involved to personnel, nor the poor signals it sends to people who need to understand what isolation actually is meant to mean, nor anything about the barrage of medical criticisms being thrown about.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-05/donald-trump-covid-19-recovery-presidential-election-campaign/12731126
lizzie @ #1374 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 12:11 pm
Has Crudlin called for an RC into Aged Care yet?
[‘Before the video was posted, the infected President cruised by supporters in his bulletproof SUV, windows rolled up, driven by Secret Service agents in protective gear who were potentially exposed to the disease that has swept through the White House in recent days.
“This is insanity,” tweeted Dr James Phillips, an attending physician at Walter Reed National Military Medical Centre, where Trump has been hospitalised since Friday evening.’]
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/this-is-insanity-sick-with-coronavirus-trump-goes-for-drive-around-hospital-20201005-p5620r.html
Lizzie
“I don’t accept that. At no point – at no point have the people who are running the inquiry made that request to me or observed that or made those sort of comments to me.”
That being an answer to the question as to why the present inquiry had insufficient powers to obtain relevant information not whether the present commissioner wanted her inquiry converted to a royal commission.
I think the difference is more one of form than substance. A finding that the inquiry could not determine who made what decisions in relation to quarantine cannot be good for the government.
Has Crudlin called for an RC into Aged Care yet?
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We have one. And its interim findings last week were buried under a pile of stinking landfill by the Government and its Murdoch mates.
shellbell
From all I read, we already know who recommended using Security guards, so the questions are just parts of a continuous attack. It’s unfortunate that there will be such a time gap between the enquiry ending, and the results published, but it was ever thus.
Lizzie
Only a month away.
Pretty quick in legal world
shellbell
I agree, but the media are so impatient. 😆
I received reply from my local MP re hotel quarantine. Reiterated the state govt position that any future returning travellers policy will be dictated by the findings of the inquiry which are due to be brought down in November and also expert medical advice.
Meanwhile the virus is about to wreak more havoc around the globe and of course it is being shown what a shit show it can be when it infects the President, senators, aides etc.
This virus has a long way to play out
We need to get with the program.
“From all I read, we already know who recommended using Security guards, so the questions are just parts of a continuous attack. It’s unfortunate that there will be such a time gap between the enquiry ending, and the results published, but it was ever thus.”
This is the number one rule in the right wing fascist propaganda book. Keep asking the question even though it has been answered many times and is often pretty unimportant (like Hillary’s emails). It builds a sense that something awful is being hidden even though that is not the case.
I suspect the duo of churnalists prosecuting Dan Andrews with the Crudlin script know this but don’t care because they favour their income far more than journalistic integrity. (Just my opinion, but I’m sure I’m not alone).
Just remember good journalists always provide protection for the scum among them, just like good police provide protection for the corrupt scum among them. They fear ostracism and loss of an income far more than anything else, even though they don’t engage in the same conduct.
Walter Reed did not need to use psych scheduling to keep the clown in his room.
The legal framework for isolating Covid sufferers in the US is remarkably similar to Australia, including the division of powers
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
Did he claim executive privilege?
Its impossible to take anything that the rabble of Sky news advocates seriously.
Credlin, Jones, Bolt, Kenny, Dean, Panahi, Murray etc. Have been in a vicious campaign to get rid of Dan Andrews.
All the while spruiking how great Donald Trump is etc.
It is frankly pathetic beyond pathetic.
United States :
Coronavirus Cases:
7,636,912
Deaths:
214,611
– 34,066 new cases and 332 new deaths in the United States
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Where is Anthony Albanese , why is he not on the attack against the latest victorian liberal party member/s propaganda
liberal party member/s disgusting behaviour of using the USA Capture or Kill card style against the Saddam Regime replacing them with Andrews and members of his government
“Where is Anthony Albanese”. Can we have Bill Shorten or someone else, please? Albo is useless.
It once again shows the corrupt behaviour of the media , if any one in Labor spread crap like the member’s of the liberal party did in Victoria .
The media would be on the attack straight away and calling for the leader of the labor party do they agree with the member/s action , since its the liberal party the media condones it
Sohar @ #1388 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 12:52 pm
Of this surely, we are all now in agreement.
Sohar says:
Monday, October 5, 2020 at 12:52 pm
“Where is Anthony Albanese”. Can we have Bill Shorten or someone else, please? Albo is useless.
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Agree
When will those in the Labor party wake up,
TPOF @ #1377 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 12:18 pm
Oh yeah, stoopid mundo, I’ll re-phrase that; did Crudlin call for an RC into aged care.
Sohar
“Where is Anthony Albanese”. Can we have Bill Shorten or someone else, please? Albo is useless.?
I.m hoping they will wake up eventually!.
Coney Barrett is described as having a brilliant legal mind (along with a number of other superlatives). Why then did she attend her nomination function where most of the attendees failed to take basic C.19 precautions? She’s as reckless & thoughtless as her mentor Trump, something that Democratic senators should sheet home during her nomination process. And how could any reasonable person accept the nomination where polling indicates that it should be left to whoever wins the election, and in the face of a convention that the GOP set? History will not be kind to ACB, clearly a Trump lackey.
It probably doesn’t matter, but the Trump motorcade was covered live on Channel Nine’s morning TV show with unbridled excitement and awe.
The Washington correspondent (and I assume Washington correspondent is meant to imply “serious journalist”, as opposed to say the Hollywood correspondent), was literally hopping from one foot to the other as she breathlessly reported the event. She almost swooned as she reported “And Karl….no joke….he looked directly at my cameraman and me and waved!!!!”
The whole thing came across as sickening, in more ways than one.
Sohar @ #1390 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 12:52 pm
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“That is less about being an economic dunce, and more about the selfishness and lack of care for fellow human beings that characterises modern Australia.”
I agree. foreign students have been treated like inhuman cash cows and no wonder they are leaving.
The treatment of international backpackers is no better. Forced to work on farms picking crops for their visa in an almost entirely unregulated and exploitive industry they are not paid the legal minimum wage, often harassed and sometimes assaulted if female (and several murdered over recent years). Would you send your own young relatives out to work in those places?
Studies in the 90s showed that backpackers were usually educated, stayed a long time and spent a lot of money (more than average for tourists). We have poisoned that area of activity too.
Scott @ #1389 Monday, October 5th, 2020 – 12:49 pm
Because a Victorian Liberal pissant like Tim Smith is beneath his contempt. Rightly so. I’m sure the cards were crafted with an eye towards generating publicity for the Lamoberals and it looks like the bait caught 4 clueless individuals here.