The Australian today reports Newspoll findings on COVID-19 and leadership approval from Victoria and Queensland, which were targeted with expanded samples (608 and 603 respectively) in the poll whose main results were published yesterday:
• Daniel Andrews is up five points on approval from late July to 62% and down two on approval to 35%, whereas Scott Morrison is down six on approval to 62% and up seven on disapproval to 33%. Andrews is reckoned to be doing very well in handling COVID-19 by 31% (up four), fairly well by 31% (down three), fairly badly by 13% (down five) and very badly by 22% (up four), while Morrison is on 26% for very well (down five), 45% for fairly well (down one), 15% for fairly badly (up three) and 10% for very badly (up one).
• Annastacia Palaszczuk’s ratings are only modestly changed, with approval down one to 63% and disapproval up four to 33% as compared with the poll in late July, while Scott Morrison is down five to 67% and up four to 28% as compared with the poll in late June. Both leaders’ COVID-19 ratings are a little weaker than they were in late July: Palaszczuk records 32% for very well (down five), 36% for fairly well (down eight), 16% for fairly badly (up eight) and 13% for very badly (up seven), while Morrison has 34% for very well (down six), 43% for fairly well (up three), 13% for fairly badly (up two) and 7% for very badly (up one).
• The national sample was asked about the restrictions in Victoria and Queensland, which naturally required lengthy explanation (the framing of which seems reasonable enough). For Victoria, the results were 25% too strict, 61% about right and 10% too lenient; for Queensland, 37% too strict, 53% about right and 7% too lenient.
• The balance of concern is nonetheless moving away from “moving too quickly to relax restrictions”, down 20 points since mid-July to 56%, to “moving too slowly to relax restrictions and harming economy, jobs and mental wellbeing”, up 19 points to 39%.
Today also brings the fortnightly Essential Research poll, as related by The Guardian with the full report to follow later today:
• Respondents were in favour of both Scott Morrison’s handling of COVID-19 (a 61% approval rating, up two on a fortnight ago) and Queensland state border closures he wants lifted (66% support, including 70% among Queensland respondents). Forty-seven per cent of Victorian respondents approved of the state government’s COVID-19 management, unchanged from a fortnight ago, while the rating for the New South Wales government was up seven to 67%.
• Thirty-three per cent of respondents felt tax cuts for high income earners should be brought forward from 2022, as the government has signalled it will do, while 38% believe they should be scrapped and 29% believe the government should stick to the original timetable. Twenty-one per cent believe they would be an effective economic stimulus, compared with 41% for moderately effective and 38% for not effective.
• Asked which technology they preferred for future energy generation, 70% favoured renewables and 15% gas and coal.
The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1081.
UPDATE: Full Essential Research poll here.
Outside left:
Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 7:14 pm
[‘Fitz ain’t running’]
I wasn’t aware of that. If that’s right, he should shut his mouth, thanking Labor for appointing him as Minister for Defence, a portfolio in which he stuffed up, and later,
Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry.
‘Firefox:
Referring to another poster as “scum” was over the top. You should reflect.
I’d prefer it if Firefox would refer to me as “scum”’
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Mavis @ #1150 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 7:30 pm
So, you you finally release your inner anti democratic cretin.
I always knew you’d do it one day.
Kristina Keneally
@KKeneally
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2h
No charter flights. No Federal quarantine arrangements. No calls to Qantas. No guarantees #strandedAussies will be home by Christmas…
So stranded Aussies and their families have a message for Prime Minister
@ScottMorrisonMP
…
“Do your bloody job!” #auspol
Greensborough Growler @ #1146 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 7:22 pm
Cling to whatever piece of flotsam you think will keep your morale afloat Zoomy.
Delusion is like morphine, I guess….
Mundo,
Well… no… you posted that Labor couldn’t even win a municipal election, and it has been pointed out to you that they won a Federal by-election and a territorial government election.
So you were quite wrong.
Don’t let your histrionic (and can I say it… boring, repetitive and utterly uninteresting) tendencies overtake the Reality you claim to describe.
GG:
[‘So, you you finally release your inner anti democratic cretin.
I always knew you’d do it one day.’]
With so many forces acting against Labor, solidarity should be paramount. Fitzgibbon is doing his party harm by speaking out on energy policy. I wouldn’t be surprised if he stood for One Nation at the next election – a dissenter in the ranks. Anyway, it’s goodnight from him.
Cling to whatever piece of flotsam you think will keep your morale afloat Zoomy.
Delusion is like morphine, I guess….
Hmm, let me guess…meano moano?
I agree with Mavis. Someone should wipe that smirk off Fitzgibbon’s face, then boot him out of the party.
If ever there was a time for Labor to do some serious pruning and housekeeping, it’s now.
Bushfire Bill @ #1158 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 7:59 pm
I have to say, when you see the young guns in the Labor Party, like Steven Miles, ripping the heads off federal Coalition politicians with great accuracy and style, and then you compare them to some of the deadwood in the federal Labor caucus, you have to think that some pruning is required.
Mavis @ #1157 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 7:55 pm
Hiding is not an option for Labor. You may not want to hear alternative positions or views, but democracy says that all views must be heard, synthesised and acted upon.
Fitzgibbon is a cracker of a Member for the ALP and has my full support.
I agree with Bill Shorten’s position:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dreyfus-labels-frontbench-colleague-idiot-for-hunter-in-heated-energy-debate-20200924-p55ywq.html
I also thought this colourful description of Mark Butler was amusing:
However, some MPs told both the meeting and this masthead it was Mr Butler who was failing on the politics of climate and energy and it had become problematic for caucus and in the electorate. “He is as useless as a vegan in a butcher’s shop,” one MP said.
Bushfire Bill @ #1153 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 7:53 pm
Looking forward to your insights the day after the next general election, BB.
Should be a real education.
File this post away buddy, I don’t want to have to go searching for it.
My take on Fitzy is that he’s another M’arn Ferguson, without the talent, except he’s also seen his seat turn marginal on his watch. I don’t believe he has the party’s well-being at heart. But I DO think he has Fitzy’s well-being at heart, 110%.
Not a team player. More at home sorting fossils in a museum.
Bushfire Bill @ #1156 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 7:59 pm
What on earth has Labor done recently that might suggest a capacity for anything serious.
How about the job of opposition?
Could they just have a crack at it?
Just a couple of days?
Is that asking so much?
Bushfire Bill @ #1156 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 7:59 pm
Hey, here’s an idea, how about Labor Someone should wipes the smirk off Scrooter’s face?
No?
Too hard?
Scrooter too scary?
So Bill Shorten is the AWU’s booster puppet for more fossil fuels.
The cartel is strong !
Victoria @ #1154 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 7:40 pm
“Do your bloody job!”
Is that any way to talk to Albo KK, for crisakes show some decorum!
Never really liked Fitzgibbon since this: https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/494644/joel-fitzgibbons-apology-on-trips-to-china/
No loss to Labor if he goes.
Unless, of course, the view is a progressive one, then the lily-livered pinkos can shut up, stop wasting everybody’s time and listen to the will of the majority (on the floor of a stacked conference) or piss off and join the Greens (but still vote Labor please.)
Bushfire Bill @ #1164 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 8:13 pm
There’s a team?
C@tmomma,
Fairly or unfairly, I have often looked at Maria Vamvakinou in Calwell, the 2nd safest ALP seat in the country, and wondered if a perpetual backbencher is the best Labor has to offer for the seat.
Mundo, bluster won’t change the fact that you made a stupid prognostication.
I know you think you’re savvy and street smart, and clever and witty, but in reality you’re just another monomaniacal troll, spouting Doomsday shite along with the rest.
You might be interesting if you ever posted something different, but I don’t think you can muster enough brain cells to do so.
You’ve been right once. That’s not enough to justify the fucking agony your boring, moronic bullshit puts us through day after endless day.
It serves no purpose, changes no minds, provides no new insights, plumbs no depths. Yet you persist.
This war between the CFMEU and the AWU and the AMWU for the control of Labor policy is tearing the old party to shreds.
It’s like the old mafia families of New York in a power struggle. They’ll end up killing the whole thing… which is the ALP.
Bugler @ #1171 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 8:21 pm
I’ve often thought the same thing myself. And I live in NSW! However, then I think that there must be a LOT of Greek-Australians who live in that seat, so…
However, that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a younger Greek-Australian, with vim, vigour and verve who could do a better job. Or just someone else in the party in that electorate.
Fark Fitz and all the ‘Marns’. They are the feckers who during Ruddbot 1.0 days and the putting a price on carbon seemed more interested in chucking banana skins in the way than Labor remaining in government. My job at the time was very much tied up with carbon abatement so took great notice of the sort of statements they and several union leaders came out with. Not helpful at all and lapped up and amplified by Mordor Media.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/24/mark-butler-rows-back-remarks-dismissing-gas-as-labor-divisions-exposed
The fossil fuel cartel has the AWU deliver a horses head to Mark Butler…
Rex
It’s called debate. In our system, it’s seen as one of the best ways to arrive at outcomes, because all views are aired and considered, and their flaws probed.
You seem to favour dictatorship. That way there’s no dissent and complete unity.
ajm
Jack the Insider gave Joel some super LOL roastings back then. Can’t remember why but JTI started calling him ‘Snapper’ .
Honestly, how corrupt and poisonous is federal politics these days…
zoomster @ #1176 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 8:36 pm
How about debating the best sources of renewable energy ?
This fight to the death by the fossil fuel cartel for policy control has Labor at 34% and dropping…
I’ve said it here a few times: Mark Butler is a lightweight
Vale Dean Jones.
Victorian sporting great.
Rex Douglas
His “walking back’ lets you know who is calling the shots within the Labor Party.
C@tmomma,
The Greek community in the northern suburbs of Melbourne is definitely quite large, and Lebanese and Turkish communities are also quite active in the ALP in the northern and western suburbs. I just get the impression she is a bit of a seat warmer, I don’t mind backbenchers if they are active advocates for their communities or great committee members but the evidence doesn’t seem to suggest she is either.
There were a few independents at the Victorian state election who came (relatively) close to winning ALP seats in the west and Geelong which should give the ALP here some pause for thought about how they approach such safe seats.
I just came off a webinar with the administrators of the Vic branch which seemed positive but there was a bit more of a focus on general engagement and rural/regional branches.
poroti @ #1182 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 8:43 pm
The AWU is winning.
The odds for a Shorten restoration have dramatically shortened !
Vale
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/australian-cricketer-dean-jones-dead-20200924-p55z1d.html
Bugler,
Is the question ever put as to why these people are still there?
Bushfire Bill says:
Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 8:21 pm
Mundo, bluster won’t change the fact that you made a stupid prognostication.
I know you think you’re savvy and street smart, and clever and witty, but in reality you’re just another monomaniacal troll, spouting Doomsday shite along with the rest.
You might be interesting if you ever posted something different, but I don’t think you can muster enough brain cells to do so.
You’ve been right once. That’s not enough to justify the fucking agony your boring, moronic bullshit puts us through day after endless day.
It serves no purpose, changes no minds, provides no new insights, plumbs no depths. Yet you persist.
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As compared to your obvious genius.
The skill to simultaneously shakedown NSW Health and renovate the house of full pay and make 15% p.a investment returns…. blah blah
Your the obvious Walter Mitty fantasist of pollbludger with an extreme dose of aged narcissus.
Rex Douglas says:
Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 8:47 pm
poroti @ #1182 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 8:43 pm
Rex Douglas
His “walking back’ lets you know who is calling the shots within the Labor Party.
The AWU is winning.
The odds for a Shorten restoration have dramatically shortened !
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#bringbackbill
When is a Property Developer not a Property Developer? When the Coalition say so because he is the Financier of Property Developments. 🙄
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nationals-mp-at-centre-of-fresh-koala-policy-controversy-20200924-p55yw4.html
Victoria Labor did a very deliberate cleaning out of dead wood a decade or so ago, at both State and Federal level.
Success followed.
It’s up to each State branch, but it can be a useful process.
The Victorian Liberals, however, looked much the same under Ballieu as they did under Kennett.
Rex
“The fossil fuel cartel has the AWU deliver a horses head to Mark Butler…”
Not the head of Bucephalus I hope!
Andrew_Earlwood @ #1191 Thursday, September 24th, 2020 – 6:51 pm
Shit!
Strategically-planted fake leaks aside, it’s blindingly obvious that Albo and Butler will be gone long before Fitzgibbon is.
“The odds for a Shorten restoration have dramatically shortened !”
Keep your hair on, Rex. They’ve shortened from a gazillion to one to a squillion to one.
Aw man, I fell in love with cricket as a boy watching Deano lace them to the boundary… Vale
I saw Dean Jones’ 184 not out versus England at the SCG in 1987 (Peter (Who) Taylor’s debut) which followed the insanely good 210 at Madras six months earlier.
That plus his 216 versus WI in Adelaide in 1989 emphasised his ability to make tough runs.
He revolutionised one day cricket here leading to the World Cup win in 1987 and those test innings, plus having twin hardarses in Simpson and Border in charge, took us away from bad days in Australian cricket.
While Shorten was a much, much better leader than Albanese, reinstalling him would play into the faction man narrative that seemed to have traction with attacking him (because of his well publicised role in RGR spills).
Flick J can be a bit of a loose cannon which may embolden Mr Tudge to appeal but he has to overcome the decision of Wigney J (which Flick J referred to) whose views the appeal court will certainly rate highly. It is here:
https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/FCA/2020/394.html
At para 57 , Wigney J described Tudge’s behaviour in detaining the refugee as disgraceful. Barely believably, at para 80, he noted that the Commonwealth submitted that a delegate could decline to release someone from immigration detention when a tribunal so ordered because the delegate reasonably believed the tribunal decision would be appealed successfully.