Two much better results for the Coalition this week, from Ipsos and Essential Research, have knocked 0.8% off Labor’s still commanding two-party lead on the BludgerTrack poll aggregate. This converts into three gains on the seat projection, being one apiece in Victoria, Queensland and South Australia.
For those playing particularly close attention, I am not making use here of The West Australian’s local poll by unheralded market research outfit Painted Dog Research, as I have no benchmark for calculating bias adjustments for them. In any case, it was a small sample poll that particularly low primary votes for both major parties. I have, however, included it in the archive of poll results you can find with a bit of digging under the “poll data” tab at the top of the BludgerTrack page.
Bill Shorten maintains a steady upward trend on the leadership ratings, on which I’m still not producing a result for Scott Morrison – this will require a fair bit of tinkering that I won’t have time for until the poll drought over new year. Full results, as always, on the link below.
Morning all.
So it seems like Liberal voters in the Vic election voted earlier, hence the postals and pre-polls coming in favour them. It was expected, as last night’s commentary by the MPs on the ABC panel indicated.
poroti @ #1599 Sunday, November 25th, 2018 – 8:42 am
Don’t worry, poroti, Zanetti and his ilk at Murdoch and S.A.D. can keep going down that path forever as far as I’m concerned. It’s a political dead end. 🙂
Poroti
Murdoch was behind the push for Dutton. It was his Sky after Dark that Turnbull cited about the leadership coup along with Jones.
Fairfax at least can get rid of Jones. Murdoch’s stable can’t they are owned by the guys that are steeped in Trumps America and think going to the right for the “base” is going to win them elections.
This is why yet another election rejecting that is such a disaster for Murdoch. Labor can act on regulating the media this time in sensible ways. voters are rejecting that message big time.
The Zanetti Cartoon is hilarious.
It is a subtle comment on the Coalition, not Labor.
It depicts why the Coalition got a thrashing: stupidity, lies and FUD.
Sky After Dark = SAD 🙂
Zanetti actually thinks that way. He doesn’t need to be told. You should read his Twitter feed!
Cat
Yep. Murdoch hires people for good reason. One of them is to know without being told. 🙂
@LaTrioli tweets
Laugh-out-loud hilarious: Seats like Brighton and Hawthorn voted Labor because Mathew Guy didn’t go hard enough on Safe Schools? Hey, Miranda – you will never, ever understand Victoria. https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/this-is-how-you-lose-an-election/news-story/78a7911432a18414840be9e11305f7d3
Talk about an example of knowing what Murdoch wants 🙂
Surely the big takeaway from last is that voters turned out to be more scared of the Liberal party than they were of African gangs and muslims.
And what is Frydenberg banging on about? When did Shorten do o “victory lap” in 2016? In any case, Bill Shorten wasn’t a candidate in the Victorian election and didn’t play a big role from what I can see.
Steve
I disagree. Mr Shorten announced his environment policy in the last week. That along with the rejection of the injecting centre for addicts made rejection of facts resonate with voters. LNP seen to be ideological and extreme. Not evidence based policy by voters.
As Confessions points out. The Liberals became more scary than African Gangs.
Fess
Thanks for the Insiders lineup. To me the interesting bit is that there is a common feature with last night’s Liberal commenters: not a single senior Liberal leader, state or federal, in sight. Where is Kroger, Guy, ScumMo, Fryedthe party, Dutton, Abbott, Cash, Bishop, Corman or Joyce? The RWNJs love to lob the grenades into public debate to upset others, but when the electoral backlash comes, they run and hide. Like most bullys, they are cowards.
On the plus side, I thought the ABC panel compares last night were both very fair. They asked the Liberals (notably Hume) hard questions about the result and when Hume tried to stall or dissemble, but were courteous to Pesutto when he behaved graciously in defeat. It shows that an unmuzzled ABC can still do good in political debate.
S777
Shorten’s ‘victory lap’ is Frydenberg doing Canberra Bubble Talk.
After the last election Shorten toured the nation thanking people.
Frydenberg’s effort last night would have, IMO, solidified the views of those who switched to Labor.
It was aggressive and defensive. It avoided the truth. And it blame-shifted.
Steve777 @ #1611 Sunday, November 25th, 2018 – 8:53 am
That ‘victory lap’ furphy is made up from the minds of Crosby/Textor no doubt. The Fiberals think it will turn people off Bill Shorten. It’s not working guys!
Socrates:
Did you catch the verbal fisticuffs on live TV between Kennett and Kroger last night?
Soc
On the whole, good, IMO. A bit vacuous at times.
Credit to Matthew Guy for his generous concession speech which lacked the rancour so blatantly displayed by Frydenberg.
Will be interesting to see the response from Morrisson et al.
Where’s Wayne?
hahahaha
Good swipe at the Fed LNP by Andrews quoting Abbott 🙂
Wayne’s gone back to Wayne’s World, a fake Liberal bubble where only Liberalism exists in splendid isolation.
Cat
(earlier) “* Labor are embracing Progressive Taxation, IR, Social Welfare, Public Services and Environment policies, which Suburban and Regional voters like but not as extreme as The Greens’.”
Cat I think you gave a pretty good summary before of the Victorian situation in response to my comment about the voting shift. I agree with your view that when Labor focuses on basic service delivery and cost of living as Andrews has done, it stands strong.
On two specific policy fronts of interest to me, I am now optimistic that Labor can win votes with a progressive policy stance.
On climate change, almost every independent commentator agrees that investment in renewables, not coal, can lower power prices. That is a good message Labor can sell in acting on climate change, while focusing efforts on compensating workers, not mine owners, and helping them retrain and transition to new jobs in places like La Trobe, Hunter and Bowen basin. Labor can point out that only it, not the Liberals, will help the workers survive the shift.
The second one is in urban transport infrastructure and the road vs rail debate. There should not be a debate technically; when cities get to the size all of our capitals are now, building more roads gets futile, and it is more efficient to expand the reach and capacity of rail systems. In this regard Labor surely picked up votes with its Melbourne rail project delivery and future rail ring promise. The Liberals promised back to the future with the EW Link project and did not pick up a single vote from it as far as I can see. This is similar to the pattern at the last ACT election. Federal Labor should look to establishing a national rail program. With commonality in system design, there is probably enough scale of work to justify local rain manufacturing. For example, if Hobart proceeds with a light rail system, why not run extra Melbourne E class trams on them?
Fess
“Did you catch the verbal fisticuffs on live TV between Kennett and Kroger last night?”
No I missed it. I saw up till 7.30 SA time then had to go out. By the time I got back in it was all over.
HAHAHA Dan Andrews says he hopes Michael Kroger stays Liberal party president for life. 😆
Andrews just called Kroger a “nasty fake” and hopes that he remains Liberal president for life.
Soc:
They are replaying it on Insiders.
Savva with the Lib insider goss: Liberals want Kroger gone now so his presence doesn’t infest the federal election.
Denial on the couch that Federal Government budget cuts to infrastructure spending has an impact in state elections.
Denial on the couch that Federal Government budget cuts to infrastructure spending has an impact in state elections.
Fess
Thanks. Looking forward to it 🙂
Kroger’s attitude is why the Liberals will find it so hard to reform themselves. We shoudl not underestimate pure greed and self interest as motives for the Liberals. With a majority of RWNJs in federal party and parliamentary positions, a whole lot of people have to give up their jobs for the federal party to change. And most of those individuals do not have significant private careers to fall back on outside of politics. The gravy train is almost over for some of them. You can bet ScumMo will be appointing a lot of Liberal politicians as ambassadors and tribunal members in the next six months.
More from Roman Quaedvlieg.
“I’m flipping a coin. Heads: the Fed Libs will have a damascene moment tonight and radically change policy course to behave like a responsive & responsible govt; Tails: they will ignore Victoria as a State-based loss & double down on their abjectly fragmented & divisive approach. “
And from Tony Windsor – “This is possibly the most important message of the Vic election …the people are mature enough to see through shit when it gets sprayed on them .”
@JeffreyLuscombe tweets
Why Robert Mueller may finally be ready to reveal what he’s learned in Russia probe | CBC News https://www.cbc.ca/news/theinvestigators/mueller-russia-investigation-trump-1.4918533
nath @ #1057 Wednesday, November 7th, 2018 – 1:26 pm
Looks like the greens forgot to slip their false teeth in…
The message of voters is very clear to me.
Essential polling has told us. The Marriage Survey has told us. The By Elections Federal and State have told us.
Labor has picked the right issue from the start. Inequality is what the voters are rejecting. Culture war or economic war. Its the same issue. People want a fair Australia.
After the last Federal election Di Natale came out and dudded Greens voters.
He promised them that they were making progress towards a Greens Government.
The wait time for that moved from some time next century to infinity.
BK @ #1632 Sunday, November 25th, 2018 – 5:22 am
I don’t think it’s a 50-50 proposition.
The overwhelming favourite must be option 2. 🙂
@CommissionerKate tweets
Every Australian now knows that as long as the Dutton’s an MP, he could become PM at any moment – literally – and are voting accordingly.
The Dudster’s like a voter repellant for the LNP.
#lol
#insiders
Jim Molan fell victim to the rules he and Abbott pushed to get adopted. #Karma
BiGD
Roman forgot to mention the coin he is using.
Is this the new thread?
https://www.pollbludger.net/2018/11/25/victorian-election-call-board/
Victoria @ #1642 Sunday, November 25th, 2018 – 6:44 am
Yep.
So we could have a National Integrity Commission by Tuesday 😆
guytaur
My two faves of that Dutton meme
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And Grog comes in on cue. 🙂
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2018/nov/24/the-governments-fear-campaign-ranges-from-migration-and-terror-into-economics
For those that missed it
This from last night
@TrendsAustralia tweeted
#eatshitlyle is now trending in Australia
https://www.trendsmap.com/r/AU_wkeoaq https://twitter.com/TrendsAustralia/status/1066287279327588353/photo/1
Bishop Talbert Swan
Verified account @TalbertSwan
24h24 hours ago
Contaminated Romain lettuce killed 4 people. They pulled it from the shelves of grocery stores across America.
There have been 307 mass shootings so far this year. You can still buy a gun online or at your neighborhood Walmart.
Let that sink in.
@washingtonpost tweets
Ocasio-Cortez, Democratic freshmen look to shape party as it takes control of House https://wapo.st/2RhKJtG
Victoria @ #1643 Sunday, November 25th, 2018 – 6:44 am
For the Vic election count, yes. This is still the main thread.