So there you have it. Below is a tool for exploring the results at divisional level according to a range of electoral and demographic criteria. Take your pick from the drop down menu, and you will get divisional “yes” votes recorded on the vertical axis, and their results for the relevant indicator on the vertical axis. Most of these are self-explanatory, with the exception of “One Nation support index”. This equals the division’s 2016 Senate vote for One Nation divided by the party’s overall Senate vote in that state, multiplied by 100. So an electorate will score 100 if its One Nation vote is exactly equal to the state average; it will score 200 if it’s double; 50 if it’s half; and so forth. This is to prevent the party’s across-the-board high results in Queensland from spoiling the effect. “Finished school” is measured as a percent of the 15-plus population.
lizzie @ #892 Thursday, November 16th, 2017 – 9:59 am
There are many religious people, including those who hold positions in their communities, who expressed support for the ‘Yes’ response. The suggestion that a Christian rock band would automatically not want to perform at a same-sex marriage needs to be challenged.
Penny Wong just gave one of the great Australian speeches in speaking as co-sponsor of the Same-sex Marriage Bill. I didn’t hear Dean Smith’s contribution, but apparently that was a ripper as well.
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“Gillian Triggs’s bizarre comment that implied that she’d like to be able to exercise judgement on what people say to their families in the privacy of their own homes.”
Repeating the usual RWNJ distortions Meher Baba?
What was said when talking about racial vilification :
Professor Triggs told the sell-out audience “there has never been a more important time to stand up for laws which prohibit racial abuse in the public arena. Sadly you can say what you like around the kitchen table at home,’’
When question by Abetz in a Senate committee Triggs said the line was simply demonstrating that racist attitudes that emerge in the public arena are often formed in the home, not an attempt by the AHRC to control what was said in people’s home.
Maybe you don’t think it is sad the racist attitudes are nurtured in many homes.
Sorry link
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11944457
lizzie @ #898 Thursday, November 16th, 2017 – 10:17 am
Woah there! Equality is fine for the cashed up middle classes who can afford cake, but everything has its limits!
I suspect David Marr has it right, and that the ongoing debate on SSM is really about whether the churches can maintain their power to purport to specify what is moral, which received yesterday what will I suspect be a mortal blow.
In that context, attempts to amend the Smith Bill are really about trying to keep something – anything – on the statute books to ensure that SSM has slightly less legitimacy than traditional marriage. It’s like decriminalising gay sex but having a different age of consent.
My sense is that the Paterson Bill was a massive and stupid overreach, because it revealed all too clearly that the conservatives are just looking to continue the culture wars that most people find insufferable. If anything, it will have made the Smith Bill supporters less inclined to give an inch.
The conservatives also know that within a fairly short time there will be a gay wedding industry, just as there’s now a high school formal industry, and that the small businesses in the new industry will want it to thrive. So their prospects of winding back the reform are less than zero.
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jrhennessy: Pray for Mark Latham, who is trying to reconcile the fact the only electorates which agree with him are the ones he’s spent the last few months attacking for having too few English speakers
Without seeing that there is any particular point to make with respect to the marriage equality bill (which shouldn’t have any amendments to water down anti-discrimination law) I tend to agree with meher baba’s general points outlined at 8.28am and 9.23am.
lanesainty: Rice: “To people who voted no, I urge you to get to know us… open your hearts and minds”
workmanalice: “Somewhere over the rainbow skies are blue and the dreams that you dared to dream, they really do come true” – an emotional speech by @janet_rice.
guytaur @ #896 Thursday, November 16th, 2017 – 10:13 am
My old home town with it’s electorate voted 55% for marriage equality. Wonderful. I hope the dreadful racism attitudes have improved from a really low base also.
Yes, we live in hope. Sadly my time machine will never come about as the supply of paddle pop stick so necessary for construction have dried up. Damn the commoners wanting better conditions for themselves. Get back to work, slave conditions were good enough for the hardy pioneering stock and should be good enough for you.
I seem to have been waylaid. What I mean is that because I am old, yes very, old, (not as old as the nice bloke across the road) and will not live to what a decent Austraya could be.
Make your own lists. I have my own which includes a proper Aussie flag. A republic. Not only recognition of the first Australians but paying rent as well. Honouring internation treaties regarding refugees. Independence from alliances with war mongering states. Beaucoup paper for further lists. ☮
Where is my favourite daughter ❓ I need to dress up, complete with top hat, to travel afar; as far as the local bread shop to immerse myself in humanity for a while.
Jackol @ #909 Thursday, November 16th, 2017 – 10:29 am
+1
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/15/intelligence-watchdog-urged-to-look-at-russian-influence-on-brexit-vote
Putin hacked the Brexit vote.
Only 8 Coalition Senators turned up to hear Dean Smith.
Which is what I was saying last night and copped being called a Jew-hating homophobe.
If your conscience or commercial judgement tells you not to do business with someone, invent an excuse if you have to and suggest an alternative place to shop (like the cake shop down the road a bit further).
No need for trouble. No need to further inflame tensions, passions and so on. Get on with life,both merchant and customer.
And no need to have holier-than-thous accuse you of being a bigot (in that unerringly smug and self-satisfied way they tend to pass judgement on the morals of others).
Exercising his legendary compassion and justice bypass, Finance Minister Mathias Cormann said he would like to see a bill somewhere in between the Smith and Paterson proposals.
Labor should play this with extreme preduice.
Put up a straight forward bill with no delay, no compromise & not recognise “ religious rights ” in any form.
If the religious need to protect their bigotry this is already covered in the anti-discrimination act , no further concessions required.
I don’t temenber seeing any mention of religious rights on the survey form.
NOs had their chance, time to ignore them.
It’s Mals problem if he has an issue with his right wing nuts.
BB
Then you badly worded it and you could have come back with I am not saying as soon as a gay person enters the shop I am looking for excuses to deny service.
The fact that all I said in response was put jew in the place of gay in what you wrote and you would disagree with yourself was making exactly that point.
If its not ok to refuse service to a Jew or to a Black so its not ok to refuse service to a gay person. Thats it. No more no less.
briefly @ #914 Thursday, November 16th, 2017 – 10:36 am
I wonder how long it will be before we learn that Russian troll-farms influenced our SSM debate?
You wanted evidence, MB. Here you go:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/10/07/australian-christian-lobbys-american-inspiration/
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/09/12/marriage-alliance-tied-to-us-national-organisation-for-marriage/
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/09/28/australian-christian-lobby-linked-to-marriage-alliance/
All paywalled, I’m afraid. The first title is ” Meet the US group inspiring the ACL’s new anti-gay legal strategy”. The second is ” Liberal-linked Marriage Alliance gets help from anti-gay US lobby group” and the third is ” ‘Grassroots’ groups opposed to same-sex marriage linked to Australian Christian Lobby”.
The ACL and the Marriage Alliance are two sides of the same coin, you see, and the coin’s an American dime. It shouldn’t surprise you: trickle down economics was imported here from the US, too.
BB no one called you anti Semitic, why propagate an untruth like that? It does you no credit
KayJay @ #893 Thursday, November 16th, 2017 – 10:05 am
Yes indeed oh wise one.
It is a form of insanity that we are seeing far too much of these days, and it should not be given the credence to be taken even remotely seriously.
Just back on the stupidity of the Hughes decision…
It’s not a massive problem on this occasion because the Coalition still have extra candidates down the list that are eligible. But what if we were talking about say Gichuhi or another minor party where they had a short list? Had Gichuhi say got a job back with the SA government (where she had previously worked some time ago) after the election where Day was elected, she would have under this decision been also excluded when Day was. That would have seen probably the ALP gain the seat FF won.
Now I don’t ever have a problem with the ALP winning seats, but it’s ridiculous to propose that it reflected the will of the voters. Whatever Day’s situation Gichuhi was an eligible candidate at the time of the election (as the HC found), but had she taken even $1 of the Crown’s coin between the declaration of the results in SA and when Day was finally excluded she’d suddenly not have been an eligible candidate at the time of the election.
That would be an unjust decision not only on Gichuhi but on the FF voters.
Having had my Twitter account hacked into a couple of years ago and used to disseminate “adult material”, I believe Pyne when he says that something similar happened to him.
This illustrates the importance of choosing a hard to remember/hack user password.
Nope. You’re wrong, Question. More eligible Australians voted in this SSM postal survey than Irish voted in their SSM referendum:
“Despite the unpopularity of the referendum (sic), turnout was high—the Australian Bureau of Statistics said that 78.5% of people voted in it, as of last Friday (Nov. 10), compared to 60.5% in Ireland’s referendum. Most polls have shown the “yes” camp winning by a comfortable margin.”
https://qz.com/1128816/australias-gay-marriage-non-binding-postal-survey-vote-results-out-nov-15/
On for Bill to ask Mal about ..
The Trump administration has argued the GOP tax cuts will lead to a boom in private investment.
During an event with White House economic adviser Gary Cohn, CEOs were asked if they would increase investment if the GOP’s tax overhaul passed.
Not many did, prompting Cohn to ask: “Why aren’t the other hands up?”
Yes why aren’t the other hands up… besac8se the CEOs are too busy working out how they are going to spend their new bonus…
Labor, Greens, Crossbench and Lib SSM suppporters should move after debate to immediately vote on the bill as is and pass it.
GG
Bernadi has hit on the only public interest part of that like tweet. If a cabinet minister is hacked then yes security should be onto it.
At least it was porn shown and not confidential nationally sensitive content.
We did not have to know the type of porn. All the reporter had to do was say adult content was liked by Pyne in possible security breach.
From my reading of the Smith bill I would propose one amendment.
That would be to remove the exemption for military chaplains.
There will be some Churches that allow SSM and as a chaplain they should reflect and accommodate all Churches.
The grandfathering exemption for existing civil celebrants if they so choose, is a reasonable compromise as they came into an industry that will be changed in a very significant way.
The fact that it is an opt in exemption means it will be clear who it applies to and once they all transition their careers will in practice no longer exist.
The rest of the bill seems to propose the same conditions that exist for marriage now, so that seems entirely reasonable.
@ Ides…Yep. Give the No’ers NOTHING.
tbf sonar, I’d give em something.
The bill for the $122 mil wasted.
There is zero chance that Pyne is using Twitter on the same device that contains classified material.
Pyne’s account will need to be audited in case there are links to his day job which in turn lead to other sensitive information.
Makes you wonder why he’d have such a non secure site and has broader implications for Government Ministers.
The hackers may have only shown the porn on the site. But, we have no information on what else has been accessed. It’s a bit like burglars only being noticed once you open the bar fridge and your grogs all gone!
Bernardi sparring with Pyne again?
Just like the school days. If it were Tom Browns School Days I wonder, who is Flashman?
As i posted on the previous thread (i missed the ‘new thread’ post from William so it was after everyone had moved here)
Re. Hollie Hughes disqualification for Fiona Nash’s seat: — Looks like the HC is sticking with the (black letter law) script, and is likely to do so with all the cases to come.
It will be really interesting to see on Dec 1st. just how many have been sitting quietly on a dual citizenship, and how many have to resign (or be pushed).
GG
Yep exactly.
So we will hear more about this. Its a heads up warning for all people especially MP’s and public servants that access sensitive information all the time.
DG
When you said –
Did you mean ‘Pyne could have had something happen to him’?
Tony Burke exposing one potential delaying tactic in an attempt to head it off.
ShorterBurke, bring all your proposed amendments to the Senate and vote only on what the Senate presents in the Reps.
Sorry the Burke comments were from the Guardian blog.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/16/government-steps-up-the-pace-on-same-sex-marriage-bill-politics-live?page=with:block-5a0cb1aabe620206ef71cf97#liveblog-navigation
The current law does need modifying – it looks like if you are a teacher, fireman, policeman, or university lecturer; (among others) then you have to resign your job just in case you are successfully elected.
To my mind this is too onerous. To expect a family to forego an income for six weeks (and likely far more) during an election and then try to get back into the workplace means a lot of very suitable candidates are exclude from our Parliament.
Not to mention you can’t take a Government job if there is a possibility that a Senator is disqualified under Section 44 and you are agreeable to taking the spot if you were next in line as per Hughes yesterday.
This quote from Smith sums up things nicely;
Society has evolved,
we don’t do revolutions in Australia. 🙂
MiztaRabbit: @mmbrenn @MinhKular @GaryFallon2 @RobMax4 @TelecasterRon @Leichhardt12 @MargMcCrohon @MikeCarlton01 I’ve said it many times but never enough…. Kroger, the gelding from Kooyong, has almost single-handedly turned what was once Liberal heartland into a Lib wasteland.
JennyForster7: Pope raises prospect of married men becoming priests crwd.fr/2z8M2FR
https://twitter.com/jennyforster7/status/930956186198986752
Bernardi probably trying to get an inquiry into the hack in the faint hope that it reveals Pyne is lying that there was a hack. Pretty smart move if he suspects that is actually the case.
Yes, even if the “office of profit” prohibition is to be retained, the exclusion period should be changed to explicitly start at swearing-in (and the same for the other prohibitions in s44).
There was a reference earlier to the number of Government Senators that were on the floor of the Chamber for the introduction of the Smith bill.
It was actually less than 8, 5 to be precise the other 3 Members of the House of Reps sitting in the visitors seats.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/16/government-steps-up-the-pace-on-same-sex-marriage-bill-politics-live?page=with:block-5a0cb1aabe620206ef71cf97#liveblog-navigation
Simon Katich @ #934 Thursday, November 16th, 2017 – 11:13 am
More please.
Our former, revered PM, Mr (fack, I forgot his name for a moment, there is a God) John Winston Howard took most of the book on board as the video clip of him bowling a short length bouncer while displaying his cricket skills; and he never met a boy/man/woman he didn’t want to treat like shit. An icon to be treasured by we of the untermensch.
On the the Flashman comparison. Whom is burning whom in your version of the story.
The Phon, a recent uptake and continuation of the Rugby story has streeted the former purveyors of class distinction and superiority of the quality; by their alliance with a sex shop which, if my information (thank you Brown Bear) is correct. The BDSM equipment is to die for ❗ Whips, chains, cuffs, gags aplently.
I see a big future for this outfit at least 38.4% primary vote and taking government nationally and in every state. The constitution will, naturally, be rewritten to better reflect the new core values of the volk.
We can look forward to the government we truly deserve and can rejoice that at last we are living in interesting times.
I have a beautiful blue background for this blog. Easily set up with Firefox and for Chrome the same is available. I use “Change Colour” as an addon for Chrome.
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William. Your blog is wonderful. The cookery page could use a little work but the gardening section is the pride of the nation.
More mowing KayJay. Roight Sorr ❗