Newspoll breaks out of its long-established 53-47 to 54-46 rut by recording Labor with a two-party lead of 55-45, compared with 54-46 a fortnight ago. On the primary vote, Labor is up one to 38%, the Coalition down one to 34%, One Nation is up one to 10% and the Greens are down one to 9%. Malcolm Turnbull suffers a body blow on personal ratings, down two on approval to 29% and one on disapproval to 58%, and his lead on preferred prime minister all but disappears, now at 36-34 compared with 41-33 last time. Bill Shorten is up two on approval to 34% and down three on disapproval to 53%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1625. Full report from The Australian.
UPDATE: The poll also finds Julie Bishop clearly favoured over Malcolm Turnbull to lead the Liberal Party, by 40% to 27%. Peter Dutton on 11%, being most favoured by One Nation voters on 24%.
frednk says:
Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 9:50 pm
ratsak.
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So the most logical answer to all this ‘don’t go referring our peeps’ stuff is they are playing Trumble. The best way to get Trumble to do anything stupid is to tell him not to do it.
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Poor Turnbull is being played; the poor guy is out of depth. When Turnbull went on about the contents of Shortens letter my thought was “Come in spinner”.
Never mind Turnbull, has anyone checked on Rex?!
Libspill early December or early 2018, methinks? Might not make it to 30.
Rex has been taken to hospital.He is in shock that his man is getting more popular.
Confessions @ #2 Sunday, November 12th, 2017 – 9:53 pm
I think Rex has fainted.
I hope it’s nothing more serious.
It’s over for him. They’re going to roll him just to stop the SSM bill from getting up.
As soon as the SSM vote is know THAT will become to front page issue & the RWNJ’s will do everything to kick the xan further down the road. They’ll implode if it goes to a vote.
True ratsak (from previous thread), Labor would know exactly who of their members were late renouncing and should be referred.
Given that they led Turnbull to demand in parliament that Shorten ‘show his papers’, they are waiting to see how far Turnbull goes.
Turnbull down to 29% on personal ratings!
Spin for Rex. No they don’t like Malcolm, but nor do they like Bill. Pox on both their houses! Meanwhile ignore the 2PP.
Turnbull is about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.
Yep – that works 🙂
LNP primary of 34
“The Coalition has not had a primary result this bad in a Newspoll since July 2010, the first after Julia Gillard was elected Labor leader, to then become prime minister.”
SilentMajority:
The looming SSM bill is very likely a ticking time bomb in Turnbull’s leadership.
The period from Nov 27 when the HoR returns is shaping up as popcorn territory!
Yep – that works too 🙂
The Libs won’t attempt to roll Turnbull as long as they lack a sure majority in the House. That would be to invite the destruction of the government and an early general election.
A third prefer Shorten, 9/10s of a third wish they had a better option than Trumble to lead the Libs but don’t so they stick with him, the rest are howling at the moon.
steve davis @ #9 Sunday, November 12th, 2017 – 9:59 pm
He has always been a fraud, a phoney and on the make.
But ‘sincere – gesturing barrister’ is just too much.
Utter crap actually.
briefly @ #14 Sunday, November 12th, 2017 – 10:02 pm
Excellent point Briefly.
But it expects them to be logical.
Remember the days that Turnbull lead Shorten 81-14 on PPM.How wrong the punters were.
Wow! Comments are taking a long time – several minutes to appear.
I’ve just had a read of Richo’s view of just how appalling Brian Trumble’s judgement is:
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull sinking with no lifeline in sight (use the incognito Google method)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/graham-richardson/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-sinking-with-no-lifeline-in-sight/news-story/45d28436647d58309a8be709a6c572ed
Over the last few weeks, I’ve been tempering my schadenfreude at the L/NP’s position with the thought that the situation had hit rock bottom, then been pleasantly surprised as the situation got even worse.
Now I would have thought that having lost John Alexander and his majority in the HoR to s.44 would have encouraged Brian Trumble to keep a civil tongue in his head, however, Brian has managed to plumb new depths. Turns out that Brian called Rebekha Sharkie and urged her to refer herself to the High Court and then has decided it’s a good idea to threaten to unilaterally refer two to four (depending on the source) Labor members to the High Court under s.44.
Neither move was at all bright. Sharkie may well be standing between Brian and a successful motion of no confidence in coming months, and notwithstanding that Labor has a very arguable position around “reasonable steps”, there are 8* L/NP HoR members that I know of where questions have been raised about their eligibility under s.44, plus David Gillespie is already before the High Court under a different subsection of s.44.
L/NP HoR members with Questions to Answer (TM):
– Josh Fridenberg
– Alex Hawke
– Julia Banks
– Bert van Manen
– Luke Hartsuyker
– Jason Falinski
– Ann Sudmalis
– Tony Pasin
The Labor dirt unit undoubtedly has more L/NP members that it has suspicions about, and Bill Shorten has been able to count on Trumble doing the stupidest thing possible in the circumstances. Brian’s judgement is truly appalling.
@ratsak, if the Libs roll Turnbull it’s game over for them.
They can’t go with Abbot…obliteration territory.
There’s no one else…lol time if they go with Bishop or Dutton.
and yet Briefly sticking with Trumble would be to invite the destruction of the government and an early general election.
When all your options are shit getting some really vicious revenge on your way to the executioner seems a pretty good option.
I wouldnt want Turnbull as my barrister.He isnt even any good at that. “And the HC will so hold”.Give me a break.
briefly:
How do you expect Dean Smith’s bill will be dealt with if not to remove Turnbull as leader?
sprocket_ @ #1489 Sunday, November 12th, 2017 – 8:37 pm
Surely that’s more likely statistical variance within the margin of error than an actual increase in support for Shorten?
Turnbull’s loss of 5 points on the same metric should be quite significant, however.
I’ve just had a read of Richo’s view of just how appalling Brian Trumble’s judgement is:
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull sinking with no lifeline in sight (use the incognito Google method)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/graham-richardson/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-sinking-with-no-lifeline-in-sight/news-story/45d28436647d58309a8be709a6c572ed
Over the last few weeks I’ve been tempering my schadenfreude at the L/NP’s position with the thought that the situation had hit rock bottom, then been pleasantly surprised as the situation got even worse.
Now I would have thought that having lost John Alexander and his majority in the HoR to s.44 would have encouraged Brian Trumble to keep a civil tongue in his head, however, Brian has managed to plumb new depths. Turns out that Brian called Rebekha Sharkie and urged her to refer herself to the High Court and then has decided it’s a good idea to threaten to unilaterally refer two to four (depending on the source) Labor members to the High Court under s.44.
Neither move was at all bright. Sharkie may well be standing between Brian and a successful motion of no confidence in coming months, and notwithstanding that Labor has a very arguable position around “reasonable steps”, there are 8* L/NP HoR members that I know of where questions have been raised about their eligibility under s.44, plus David Gillespie is already before the High Court under a different subsection of s.44.
L/NP HoR members with Questions to Answer (TM):
– Josh Fridenberg
– Alex Hawke
– Julia Banks
– Bert van Manen
– Luke Hartsuyker
– Jason Falinski
– Ann Sudmalis
– Tony Pasin
The Labor dirt unit undoubtedly has more L/NP members that it has suspicions about, and Bill Shorten has been able to count on Trumble doing the stupidest thing possible in the circumstances. Brian’s judgement is truly appalling.
When do Brian’s numbers usually go down. While he’s in the country or os?
I’m having trouble getting my comment to post.
I’ve just had a read of Richo’s view of just how appalling Brian Trumble’s judgement is:
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull sinking with no lifeline in sight (use the incognito Google method)
Over the last few weeks I’ve been tempering my schadenfreude at the L/NP’s position with the thought that the situation had hit rock bottom, then been pleasantly surprised as the situation got even worse.
Now I would have thought that having lost John Alexander and his majority in the HoR to s.44 would have encouraged Brian Trumble to keep a civil tongue in his head, however, Brian has managed to plumb new depths. Turns out that Brian called Rebekha Sharkie and urged her to refer herself to the High Court and then has decided it’s a good idea to threaten to unilaterally refer two to four (depending on the source) Labor members to the High Court under s.44.
Neither move was at all bright. Sharkie may well be standing between Brian and a successful motion of no confidence in coming months, and notwithstanding that Labor has a very arguable position around “reasonable steps”, there are 8* L/NP HoR members that I know of where questions have been raised about their eligibility under s.44, plus David Gillespie is already before the High Court under a different subsection of s.44.
L/NP HoR members with Questions to Answer (TM):
– Josh Fridenberg
– Alex Hawke
– Julia Banks
– Bert van Manen
– Luke Hartsuyker
– Jason Falinski
– Ann Sudmalis
– Tony Pasin
The Labor dirt unit undoubtedly has more L/NP members that it has suspicions about, and Bill Shorten has been able to count on Trumble doing the stupidest thing possible in the circumstances. Brian’s judgement is truly appalling.
ar,
most of the numbers in Newspoll are as likely to be random as not.
Except one.
I’m having trouble getting my comment to post.
Maybe split in two:
I’ve just had a read of Richo’s view of just how appalling Brian Trumble’s judgement is:
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull sinking with no lifeline in sight (use the incognito Google method)
Over the last few weeks I’ve been tempering my schadenfreude at the L/NP’s position with the thought that the situation had hit rock bottom, then been pleasantly surprised as the situation got even worse.
Now I would have thought that having lost John Alexander and his majority in the HoR to s.44 would have encouraged Brian Trumble to keep a civil tongue in his head, however, Brian has managed to plumb new depths. Turns out that Brian called Rebekha Sharkie and urged her to refer herself to the High Court and then has decided it’s a good idea to threaten to unilaterally refer two to four (depending on the source) Labor members to the High Court under s.44.
Neither move was at all bright. Sharkie may well be standing between Brian and a successful motion of no confidence in coming months, and notwithstanding that Labor has a very arguable position around “reasonable steps”, there are 8* L/NP HoR members that I know of where questions have been raised about their eligibility under s.44, plus David Gillespie is already before the High Court under a different subsection of s.44.
L/NP HoR members with Questions to Answer (TM):
– Josh Fridenberg
– Alex Hawke
– Julia Banks
– Bert van Manen
– Luke Hartsuyker
– Jason Falinski
– Ann Sudmalis
– Tony Pasin
The Labor dirt unit undoubtedly has more L/NP members that it has suspicions about, and Bill Shorten has been able to count on Trumble doing the stupidest thing possible in the circumstances. Brian’s judgement is truly appalling.
Confessions @ #23 Sunday, November 12th, 2017 – 6:11 pm
If it’s tabled immediately in the Senate and passes there it’s hard to see how they could do anything to stop it coming into the Reps.
Then it lives and dies on the numbers. 🙂
So…anyone feel sorry for Malcolm?? 🙂
doGs but he must be hoping for a YES win in the “survey” , and then to be able to spin that into something positive. Wonder what the semi-regular Lib fwark up will be for next week though??
I’m having trouble getting my comment to post, so maybe split in two.
I’ve just had a read of Richo’s view of just how appalling Brian Trumble’s judgement is:
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull sinking with no lifeline in sight (use the incognito Google method)
Over the last few weeks I’ve been tempering my schadenfreude at the L/NP’s position with the thought that the situation had hit rock bottom, then been pleasantly surprised as the situation got even worse.
Now I would have thought that having lost John Alexander and his majority in the HoR to s.44 would have encouraged Brian Trumble to keep a civil tongue in his head, however, Brian has managed to plumb new depths. Turns out that Brian called Rebekha Sharkie and urged her to refer herself to the High Court and then has decided it’s a good idea to threaten to unilaterally refer two to four (depending on the source) Labor members to the High Court under s.44.
Come on fellas. Girls and boys ❗
Sing along with me :- ♫♪Oh, happy day,when Malcolm’s been washed away ♫♫♪♪
And BK
My visiting favourite daughter showed me her phone with a picture of a gorgeous happy little boy,
I raised the stakes with your photo of the happiest boy in creation plus tractor.
Good night all.
🛏 😴 💤💤💤
My list of the L/NP with Questions to Answer (TM):
– Josh Fridenberg
– Alex Hawke
– Julia Banks
– Bert van Manen
– Luke Hartsuyker
– Jason Falinski
– Ann Sudmalis
– Tony Pasin
55-45 at last.
What took you so long?
Imacca
The CPG and the MSM will be the only ones sorry for Turnbull.
Hmm, very annoying, none of my posts are uploading.
@imacca…”Wonder what the semi-regular Lib fwark up will be for next week though??”
The YES vote gets up and the RWNJ’s go feral.
They’ve written off the next election & surviving into the future.
I predict they’ll get their ducks in a row & roll him to prevent the SSM bill from getting up on their watch.
They’ll destroy their own govt to prevent it being a LNP govt from ever presenting such a bill.
They’d rather a labor govt did it so they can say it wasn’t them & hope in the future they can change it back.
I think they’re that crazy.
Aqualung @ #25 Sunday, November 12th, 2017 – 6:12 pm
He normally gets a bit of a bump when he’s on holidays.
While Bill seems to react more positively when people see and hear him. 🙂
grimace:
Your comments are appearing. There have been at least half a dozen of the same comment posted.
Sorry for the double posts everyone.
Hmm what could possibly go wrong if it is introduced to the Senate and chaos ensues on the govt side….
When the House sits again I wonder how Speaker Smith is going to react. Ive got a feeling that any member to his left that even so much as break wind will find themselves on the receiving end of the 94A’s.
I’ve been saying most of the year that things have been stuck around 53.x since January. We can’t know for sure if the idiocy of the last few weeks has finally sunken in to enough heads to move the dial, but it would make sense that this 55 is part of an underlying trend that has seen a slow and steady drift away from Trumble in the last couple of months. A run of 53s, followed by a run of 54s, followed by a 55 looks suspiciously like a trend until something new happens.
Essential has still been in the 53.x area so perhaps it’s not. But if that pulls out a 55 on Tuesday then the idea of that polling stasis finally being broken gets a lot more support.
Labor is going to have a field day after this Newspoll.
Fizza just about fizzled out.A complete dud.Imagine the legacy of this numpty in years to come.”The PM who never was”.A true nowhere man.Living in his nowhere land.The Australian public have been take for mugs again.Surely we deserve better.
“The YES vote gets up and the RWNJ’s go feral.”
Ahhhh…the smell of RWNJ apoplexy in the morning……… 🙂
ratsak
As I’ve said in the past, I’d prefer slow, incremental increases in polling numbers to short sharp spikes.
The former are genuine shifts in sentiment; the latter are emotional reactions to current events, and can swing back the other way just as quickly.
So slow and steady drift it is…