Today’s Sunday Mail in Queensland publishes federal voting intention figures from the Galaxy poll that produced the state results you can read about in the post immediately below this one. The federal results are broadly similar to the state ones, and likewise in alignment with the current Queensland reading of BludgerTrack, in crediting Labor with a two-party lead of 51-49, which represents an 8% swing compared with the 2013 election result. The primary votes are 41% for the Coalition (compared with 45.7% in 2013), 37% for Labor (29.8%), 10% for the Greens (6.2%) and 3% for Palmer United (11.0%). The poll also provides a second encouraging personal result for Bill Shorten following his improved rating in last weekend’s Ipsos poll, with 40% rating him the federal leader with the “best plan for Queensland” compared with 34% for Tony Abbott – a question that produced a 42-40 split in favour of Abbott when last posed in the wake of the budget in May. The poll had a sample of 800 respondents, and was presumably conducted late in the week.
H
That is not an attack on the defence forces. Of course all humans including defence like it when more material is provided for them.
The attack is on the politicians wasting money on unnecessary provisions.
H
The second one is talking about a political candidate and his motives. Nothing to do with the support or lack of support for the Defence Forces.
Have the police been called in to investigate and prosecute the internal Liberal Party thefts?
I understand that it is a criminal offence in itself to fail to report a crime.
pedant
From recollection, JGillard visiting the troops more than once
You don’t think it is an attack to say the defence forces vote through self interest and not the national interest?
How is it not an attack to imply that the defence forces want war?
Looks like indeed she did:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-15/gillard-surprise-visit-to-afghanistannew-document/4312602
Happiness
[So now to be a good ALP supporter you have to attack our defence forces, eh?]
And to be a good LNP supporter you have to avoid any discussion of Abbott using the military for his own political purposes.
And if the Liberal Party executive collectively decide not to report the crime, does that not constitute the offence of conspiracy?
FS
The fibs say they have referred the matter to police.
Are you anywhere near the seat of Canning? If so, will they appreciate the likes of Hastie?
Avoiding discussion?
Im the one generating the discussion here!
:devil:
H
You take a specific attack on one or two individuals and turn it into an attack on all our armed forces.
Those individuals being politicians as well. Yes the candidate was recently in the military. He will be politically attacked. Thats politics.
None of this is attacking the military itself. Stop making out that it is.
Im the one generating the discussion here!
I must have missed your comment on Paul Kelly’s acknowledgement that Abbott might bomb Syria to wedge the ALP. What number comment was it?
Jolyon Wagg
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Jackson case shows commission bias: Labor
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The “kid glove” treatment given to disgraced former union boss Kathy Jackson by the royal commission into union corruption highlights its bias, Labor frontbencher Brendan O’Connor says.
As royal commissioner Dyson Heydon considers his future after accusations of perceived bias, the Federal Court last week ordered union whistleblower Jackson to pay back $1.4 million to the Health Union Services Union after it found she misused its money.
“The way in which (the commission) treated Kathy Jackson as a witness with kid gloves compared to other witnesses illustrates the bias I think the counsel assisting the commissioner has shown towards witnesses,” Mr O’Connor told Sky News.
Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/08/23/09/48/jackson-case-shows-commission-bias-labor#YpRuGcLKbgUqJkkr.99
guytaur:
Again, you are missing the point. I have no problems with a politician or political candidate being asked tough questions.
My problem is when folk here claim that the ALP has not attacked Hastie and then have you criticise me for highlighting the ALP attacking Hastie
see the bolded bits?
Victoria, as I posted in the previous thread, the electors of Canning will be too busy considering their very much reduced circumstances due to the grievous failings of both the State and Federal coalition governments to care very much at all who the Liberal muppet is.
They will take to him with cricket bats.
It’s the economy that will guide their votes. And they know who stuffed it up.
[Jolyon Wagg
…I must have missed your comment on Paul Kelly’s acknowledgement that Abbott might bomb Syria to wedge the ALP. What number comment was it?]
Ah excellent, lets play that game as its awesome fun.
Jolyon Wagg supports genocide.
Show me the post and post number where you claim that you don’t support genocide then!
H
No. You said attacks were on the military itself in reply to me.
I told you that was idiotic and why.
I was not commenting on your views regarding attacks on Hastie the candidate.
FS
Appreciate feedback. Interesting. It wasnt all that long ago that WA was basking in the glory of aspirational living.
Happiness
[Ah excellent, lets play that game as its awesome fun.
Jolyon Wagg supports genocide.
Show me the post and post number where you claim that you don’t support genocide then!]
I am happy to let the fatuousness of your comment speak for itself.
Happiness is obviously a close relative of Gerard Henderson. As seen on Insiders this morning, Gerard frequently falls back on semantic arguments to muddy the waters.
H
Sorry to be crystal clear your comment at post 92 is what I called idiotic
The goings-ons in the Victorian Liberals are incredible. What a rabble!
Why wouldn’t the ALP attack Hastie? He has agreed to stand for a party that has a long history of sending Australian troops to pointless, unwinnable, unjustifiable wars, then abandoning the damaged returnees. He has told a deliberate lie about Julia Gillard visiting the troops in Afghanistan. The man is to all appearances a loudmouth, aggressive prat, along the same lines as Abbott. If he wins the seat, he will bring nothing to the parliament, except a big opinion of himself, and a known propensity to tell lies.
Thomas Friedman
[Here’s my bet about the future of Sunni, Shiite, Arab, Turkish, Kurdish and Israeli relations: If they don’t end their long-running conflicts, Mother Nature is going to destroy them all long before they destroy one another.
Let me point out a few news items you may have missed while debating the Iran nuclear deal.On July 31, USA Today reported that in Bandar Mahshahr, Iran, a city adjacent to the Persian Gulf, the heat index soared to 73 degrees “as a heatwave continued to bake the Middle East, already one of the hottest places on Earth.
”That was one of the most incredible temperature observations I have ever seen, and it is one of the most extreme readings ever in the world,” AccuWeather meteorologist Anthony Sagliani said.]
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/with-middle-eastern-weather-extremes-politics-takes-a-back-seat-to-the-environment-20150821-gj4hi8.html#ixzz3jasK5xAL
[Happiness is obviously a close relative of Gerard Henderson. As seen on Insiders this morning, Gerard frequently falls back on semantic arguments to muddy the waters.]
It’s why I don’t respond and just scroll past.
Why hasn’t the Victorian Police media unit issued a statement confirming it will be investigating allegations of theft and fraud of $1.4M involving a Liberal Party official?
Or have they, and it just isn’t being reported?
If it was a story about some Moslem kid even contemplating an overseas trip they would be all over it like blowflies on a dog turd.
Hapless
Those two quotes were from WA state Labor MP’S. Nobody in their right mind could claim that Shorten had anything to do with it.
As for Hastie, he comes across as a Stuart Robert clone to me
Talk later bludgers
ModLib,
You really should stop this endless game of Labor being less moral on any particular issue than the Libs.
Today’s episode of a couple of jokes about the liberal candidate suddenly manifests itself as Labor being anti military is just pointless rubbish
During his time in the Howard Government, Tony Abbott was once thrown out of Parliament because he moved in a threatening manner towards the Opposition benches just after Labor’s Graham Edwards, a Vietnam Veteran who had lost both his legs during the Vietnam War, had interjected: “You’re a disgrace”.
In your world this clearly means that Tony abbott hates the military and all Austrlaians should be aware that a traitorous heart guides our nation.
GG
[You really should stop this endless game of Labor being less moral on any particular issue than the Libs.]
I think Happiness is really just trying to convince himself that Labor is less moral so that he feels better about supporting the LNP.
This liberal idiot in Canning should have lost everyone’s respect the moment he tried to drape himself in the flag and military service and then use that as a political attack. It is disgusting, just the kind of pathetic dishonest divisive politics that seems to have failed Tony and those that follow him being those with lower IQ’s than pot plants.
Did I read that the Libs weren’t pursuing Damian Mantach’s family home in their efforts to recoup the funds he allegedly embezzled because they didn’t want his daughters to become “homeless”?
That seems to me to be an interesting story for an investigative journalist. Eg, how was that decision made? (Was there a formal internal decision?). Who made it? (Kroger? Loughnane?). Why? (Wanted to avoid Libs looking like bad guys in lead up to Canning by-election?)
The Lib Party Executivrbmanage money on behalf of their members. Lots of whom work their guts out to raise it. If that money is tied up in Mantach’s house, then the Executive surely is bound to pursue it. The house might end up being sold, the money end up who know where, and the wife and kids end up homeless anyway.
If I were a hardworking Victorian Lib fundraiser, I’d be feeling somewhat peeved.
Yabba88 @ 124
Yeah.
But watch the victimhood on display in response to any attack.
[And to be a good LNP supporter you have to avoid any discussion of Abbott using the military for his own political purposes.]
Don’t forget the over-the-top feigned outrage. You can’t be a Coalition supporter unless you feign outrage Joe Hockey/Gerard Henderson style.
[Did I read that the Libs weren’t pursuing Damian Mantach’s family home in their efforts to recoup the funds he allegedly embezzled because they didn’t want his daughters to become “homeless”?]
I’ve read the same thing too.
As for the liberals not pursuing Mantach, it makes sense. It’s still a liberal that’s ended up with the dosh, & that’s what really matters.
meher baba
Despicable when Libs have pursued others until they lost jobs, houses, spouses and reputation. But they were Labor, of course, so presumably didn’t deserve compassion.
JW,
It’s the same same game as John Howard played for years.
Black is not Black.
White is not White.
Everything is grey.
Therefore, there is moral equivalence at the heart of every political issue.
Therfore, the Libs are OK. But, those Labor types are all hypocrites.
WWP @ 132
I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt until he claimed that Labor never had the back of the defence forces. Then he was just another Liberal flunky off the Abbott assembly line.
I hope Hastie is aware of captains picks, probably not though.
Abbott has successfully (if only temporarily) militarized and corrupted an important parts of the civil domain – the immigration system. Now he’s trying to both militarize politics generally and politicize the military.
This is a very seriously bad direction to be taking the country. It is wrong at every level.
JulieB was in full campaigning aggressive mode in her Insiders i.v. She also seems to be trying to stir up trouble in the Labor leadership. Such an obvious unicorn tactic.
Happy Sunday Bludgeroonies….no mischief while Im away please
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I’d guess that Hastie has been judged within the Army as ‘not suitable for further promotion’.
lizzie,
JB has been quite aggressive of late. Her declaration of being a strong Leader to the Party room, her attack on Plibersek for accurate comments about Syria and today’s interview tell you more about the fluidity of the Liberal party scuccession than anything to do with Labor.
Julie wants to be PM. She thinks being mouthy and over the top will get her there.
[My problem is when folk here claim that the ALP has not attacked Hastie and then have you criticise me for highlighting the ALP attacking Hastie]
We are all attacking Hastie as another cookie-cutter Liberal hypocrite. What almost all of us here are not doing, and the ALP is not doing, is attacking Hastie’s war record. Even though Hastie thinks that being highly trained to kill people makes him more appropriate to serve the people of Canning than someone who actually worked in the community back here.
And what we are highlighting is that you display the same hypocritical fake outrage that Hastie and Henderson have shown.
Come to think of it:
Henderson, Hastie, Hapless, Hypocrite.
I think I see a pattern.
Hapless
[Show me the post and post number where you claim that you don’t support genocide then!]
Show us how dropping random bombs on Syria will actually do anything to avoid genocide. The only people who are seriously fighting genocide are the Kurds. And the US just gave the Turkish Government carte blanche to bomb the bejesus out of them, which the Turks are doing because they want to go back to the polls in Turkey to regain its majority. Another khaki election that sacrifices human beings for political power.
[Happy Sunday Bludgeroonies….no mischief while Im away please
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Can we even continue without a troll quorum?
Off-topic on Syria/Iraq/Daesh/Assad/Turkey/Kurds/Iran/Israel mess – what a mess. What a disaster. And it’s only going to get worse. And I can only guess that when the West runs out of political will to ‘stay the course’ we will bail out and the whole area will be left with generations (more) worth of what amounts to civil war and/or genocide/ethnic cleansing.
Some of these leaders – including Obama – really need to be held to account for this utter catastrophe at some point.
And our little ‘leader’ thinking to use bombing raids in Syria as a domestic political tactic. This would have been shocking beyond belief just a few years ago, and now it seems to pass almost without comment.
I really do despair at times.