Only one new poll this week, that being the reliable weekly result from Essential Research, and it’s a similarly dull tale from the BludgerTrack poll aggregate. Things are exactly as they were last week on both two-party preferred and the seat projection, and there are no new figures this week for leadership ratings. The only changes worth observing are a Coalition seat gain in New South Wales that’s cancelled out by a loss in South Australia, and an ongoing descent for Palmer United since a peak three weeks ago. However, it should be noted that Labor’s two-party lead would have been down slightly if not for a methodological adjustment relating to Galaxy’s polls. The last three polls from Galaxy have been conducted according to a new methodology which includes an online panel component in addition to phone polling, but I had hitherto been applying bias adjustments based on the historical record of the old phone-only polling. It appeared that this was causing the Coalition vote to be over-adjusted upwards, so Galaxy’s bias adjustments will henceforth be calculated according to the pollster’s deviation from the results produced by the model – which so far at least is essentially no deviation at all.
People are making lists
[ Murdoch’s Oz today (highlights from the front page online) … ]
Murdoch is obviously getting desperate in his attempts to prop up the LNP.
If this stuff doesn’t work (as it probably won’t) you have to wonder how soon until the rug gets pulled out from the current mob of incompetents, and we see some new faces.
Will he eventually hand out a free peg with each copy of the GG and back Turnbull?
Latham cried on Kevvie’s shoulder. What happened next? 😆
I saw on twitter recently that Fairfax continues to leap ahead of News Corp in readership. If that’s true then perhaps News should stop with the vendetta churnalism and start giving people what they want.
Scientists have discovered a link between Employment Minister Eric Abetz and total fu**ing stupidity.
The link was first identified in the late 1950s, but was confirmed with overwhelming evidence in a comprehensive study undertaken this week.
“We’d always suspected there was an association between the two. But this latest study puts the question beyond doubt,” the study’s lead scientist said today.
From the shovel
guytaur, it’d be interesting to see the same (self selecting) poll in my electorate of Dawson to compare.
[AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam, former army head Peter Leahy says.]
Oooo goody The Crusades again.
nappin
I think that shows the Newspoll may change more than I thought. Especially if they include Gladstone Observer readers in their sample 🙂
@poroti/1407
Libs and News Ltd always have a love affair with war against “radical islam”, it’s like they saying, if you not with us, you are dead.
[Markets are for profit, not learning
There’s a privatisation movement going on all over the world, which Australia seems to be emulating. Some in the UK, US and Australia see this as a “liberal versus conservative” debate. This is a battle to privatise the public space, from airports to roads to parks to schools.
The private sector and increasing majorities of officials in state and national legislatures are winning public opinion based on the assumption that government cannot “get it right”. Therefore, anything that can be driven by the free market should be. But the free market is designed to increase profits, not learning.]
https://theconversation.com/five-trends-that-jeopardise-public-education-around-the-world-28969
Is Texas a train wreck or what? They have no idea – the state of guns and overfull prisons.
http://thewest.gawker.com/texas-man-facing-life-in-prison-for-batch-of-pot-brown-1618422638/+laceydonohue?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Retweeted by ACOSS
Gerard Thomas @gerardthomas_1 3h
Systemic advocacy by CLCs essential to addressing unintended consequences & bad laws @welfare_rights @acoss http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/community-groups-fear-retaliatory-funding-cuts-for-comments-critical-of-coalition-policy-warns-acoss-20140807-3daix.html … via @smh
The full ‘Liberal’ Press Conference methodology executed here this morning.
a) Assert something;
b) If the veracity is questioned say ‘Taken out of context’;
c) Then ‘someone else said it’; and
d) Cut and run;
And later –
e) Release a written ‘Press Statement’ again ‘asserting’ b) & c).
f) Ignore any follow-on questions.
CTar1
With , if required , a back up “g)” of “Blame Labor”.
[ AussieAchmed
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:21 am | Permalink
How big business hijacked parliament | The Saturday Paper ]
Once again straight out of the US playbook.
The Australian has indeed published extracts from an opinion by a retired QC, Hanson, who reckons Gillard could well be found guilty by a jury if the evidence put to the Royal Commission was offered to a jury in a criminal trial.
Hanson has cherry-picked the good bits for his case, and ignored the bad bits, such as Blewitt’s obvious and continuing confusion and contradictions of his own testimony.
What I saw of his brief reads like a Crim Law student going to town on a set of facts for a mid term essay. When I studied Crim Law I used to do this all the time.
Someone from a political party knocking on a householder’s door to drop off a how-to-vote dodger would end up with them serving a life sentence for attempted murder, conspiracy to commit sodomy and grievous breaches of the Hawkers And Canvassers Act (1832, as amended) attracting the absolute maximum penalty. It was fun, but it wasn’t real.
Hanson’s “case” relies on what the witnesses agreed on, and forgets what they disagreed on. He imputes sinister motives to innocent exchanges. He sees all monies exchanged, dealt with, deposited and otherwise discussed as illegal monies. He deals with the fact that Theiss handed money to Wilson voluntarily as being either (if Theiss really thought it was for workplace safety) the obtaining of money by Wilson under false pretences, or (if Theiss knew it was a dodgy slush fund) demanding money with menaces. And yes, Hanson uses the “B” word: “blackmail”.
Naturally Ace Investigative Reporter, Hedley Thomas, wrote the story, interweaving his own opinions and biases in among Hanson’s undergraduate ramblings. Both Thomas and Hanson have had better days than this.
Hanson, seeking relevance in the twilight of his career, and Thomas trying to relive the glory days of the Haneef Affair, or perhaps the Wivenhoe Dam case, where he hounded engineers working at the dam for allowing a flood to happen during the heaviest rainstorms in decades.
Thomas has that News Ltd bitchiness and cold heartedness, plus its habit of pursuing mindless vendettas when its vanity is offended, running in his veins. He couldn’t possibly survive there if he didn’t have a big bit of the classic Murdoch bastard act in his portfolio.
He also uses his column to have a go – and a pretty nasty one – at Mark Latham’s columns (and the man himself, of course) written in support of Gillard and in defiance of a Hedley Thomas investigative witch hunt.
The piece ends with this, an editorial from The Australian in full “high dudgeon” mode, loftily claiming it has no agenda and is running no vendetta. Also, surprisingly, it claims that they impute no guilt to Gillard. In true “Team Australia” mode, they just want to see justice done, Australian style, with a proper Star Chamber (as if there hadn’t been enough already) and a neat execution.
Their motive? People who get to be Prime Minister should lead blemish-free lives, both before, during and after their stint in political public life. That the System could vomit up someone so obviously dodgy a Julia Gillard as PM must be investigated thoroughly and vigorously, lest it be repeated in some future Prime Minister. This is actually the first time I’ve seen that “i” dooted and the other “t” crossed: the company that routinely hacked thousands of phone accounts is taking the high moral stand. It’s about all they have left, actually, as they’re not making any money and have suffered increasing and (anywhere else) morbidly unhealthy patronage from an skeptical public. It’s mostly just crazies who read The Australian nowadays… a loss-making paper run by crazies, to be read by crazies…. a legend only in its own lunchtime.
The Editorial:
[Editorial
Why we are publishing this.
TODAY The Australian is publishing an important story about Julia Gillard’s involvement in the AWU slush fund scandal. The story contains the considered opinion of a respected Queen’s Counsel — Russell Hanson QC — who has reviewed sworn testimony given at the union royal commission.
The Australian does not publish this story lightly. However, the conduct and background of a person who would, just a few years after these events with the AWU, become an elected federal parliamentarian and, ultimately, be elevated to the highest office goes to the very heart of government and political matters in Australia.
It matters not that Gillard is no longer the prime minister or in parliament. The scandal and Gillard’s alleged involvement in it was raised during her term as prime minister. They are matters that go directly to Gillard’s character.
The fact her role in this has not been considered formally by a court is alone a matter of concern and of itself raises important issues concerning government and politics in Australia. The Australian is not suggesting Gillard is guilty of any offence.
However, as Hanson notes, there is enough evidence to suggest that the matter should now be properly considered by a court and a jury.
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fnews%2Ffeatures%2Foffice-of-pm-always-warrants-scrutiny%2Fstory-e6frg6z6-1227018506482&ei=E2flU9rhC9jh8AXOroGgCg&usg=AFQjCNGwY-5IfSqdZ02iFS9TE0kDf1CsHQ&bvm=bv.72676100,d.dGc ]
The link above is the Google one, so you should be able to use it to read the article yourselves, in its entire, pathetic detail: a couple of has-beens, past the best, writing in a newspaper that hardly anyone reads (much less takes seriously) for an audience of rabids who just can’t stop hating, because it makes them feel better about themselves, including Tony Abbott whom I assume is ultimately the patron of Thomas’ campaign.
Welcome to Abbott’s Australia: run by thugs, telling lies, forever threatening others.
And they have the hide to talk about “blackmail”.
DesperAte men do desperate things!
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/09/09/41/abbott-to-visit-netherlands-about-mh17?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
And when he gets back the stinking mess he made here will still be festering.
poroti
Yep, and ‘g)’.
Retweeted by sortius
Greg Jericho @GrogsGamut 3m
Not that The Oz wishes to incite fear or hatred of anyone purely on the basis of their religion…
[Frednk
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 9:10 am | PERMALINK
So Prime ministers should be judge by what their parents did?]
Fred
I think Kezza’a main point was that Abbott has sucked on the public teat whenever it has suited him but now hypocritically begrudges any welfare assistance to those who genuinely need it. That is what she is judging him on.
The fact that she thought she saw some similarity in the behaviour of his father is incidental to her main argument (with which I happen to agree.)
[ poroti
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:32 am | Permalink
AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam, former army head Peter Leahy says.
Oooo goody The Crusades again. ]
Leahy in the past had come across as pretty sensible to me.
Good thing he is no longer head of the Army though.
Question to Leahy – If what you say *IS* correct, why wouldn’t we go quietly about putting measures in place rather then tell the muslim world we are going to engage in a 100 year war ?
I’m not suggesting ‘The Australian’ is guilty of any offence – Heaven forbid that anyone would slur that noble broadsheet by even suggesting that!! – but I do find it deeply concerning that its conduct has never been examined by a court of law.
Not that it’s done anything wrong deserving of examination by a court of law – I’d never assert that! – but you know, because.
Re Ctari @1413: That’s the fallback methodology when the normal process doesn’t work.
The usual Liberal methodology for the propagation of information (disinformation) is:
1. Assert something
2. If veracity is questioned, call questioner un-Australian and assert more loudly
3. Get Murdoch Press to do full front page spreads supporting your assertion and rubbishing opponents
4. If proven wrong, shoot the messenger and assert more loudly and more often.
6. Eventually enough punters accept the assertion and support any action (or inaction) based upon it.
dave
[Leahy in the past had come across as pretty sensible to me.]
He’s a retired Major-General Molan clone.
Retweeted by Tony Windsor
Lori Hendry @Lrihendry 3h
Politics is no longer left vs. right, it’s propaganda vs. truth
[ CTar1
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:41 am | Permalink
The full ‘Liberal’ Press Conference methodology executed here this morning.
a) Assert something;
b) If the veracity is questioned say ‘Taken out of context’;
c) Then ‘someone else said it’; and
d) Cut and run;
And later –
e) Release a written ‘Press Statement’ again ‘asserting’ b) & c).
f) Ignore any follow-on questions.
g) Blame Labor ]
Problem for erica and increasingly for the tories, not only are they stuffing things up – some in the media, a range of qualified experts and voters are putting the blow torch to their bellies and they are not enjoying the experience.
CTar1
[ He’s a retired Major-General Molan clone. ]
I’m sorry to hear that. Molan is a disgrace and a laughing stock.
s777
They are getting close to the ‘pathetic range’ at the moment.
Tones going all the way to Holland to sign a condolence book?
A combination of ‘get me out of here’ and ‘milking’.
@Ctar/1428
If it’s like anything like the Battlelines book, it will cost us a mint too (i.e. tax payers), prob in the range of a few hundred thousand.
dave
[I’m sorry to hear that.]
No sign in the old timers of David Morrison.
I do love ‘The Australian’ ‘s job titles – Hedley is their ‘National Chief Correspondent’.
Why can’t they send the condolence book over in a diplomatic bag, have a little signing ceremony in Canberra with the Dutch ambassador (do we have one?) and send it back.
I object to Abbott spending taxpayer dollars in such a way.
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AussieAchmed
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:24 am | PERMALINK
People are making lists
1402
Player One
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:24 am | PERMALINK
Murdoch’s Oz today (highlights from the front page online) …
Murdoch is obviously getting desperate in his attempts to prop up the LNP.
If this stuff doesn’t work (as it probably won’t) you have to wonder how soon until the rug gets pulled out from the current mob of incompetents, and we see some new faces.
Will he eventually hand out a free peg with each copy of the GG and back Turnbull?
1403
lizzie
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:24 am | PERMALINK
Latham cried on Kevvie’s shoulder. What happened next? 😆
1404
confessions
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:26 am | PERMALINK
I saw on twitter recently that Fairfax continues to leap ahead of News Corp in readership. If that’s true then perhaps News should stop with the vendetta churnalism and start giving people what they want.
1405
AussieAchmed
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:27 am | PERMALINK
Scientists have discovered a link between Employment Minister Eric Abetz and total fu**ing stupidity.
The link was first identified in the late 1950s, but was confirmed with overwhelming evidence in a comprehensive study undertaken this week.
“We’d always suspected there was an association between the two. But this latest study puts the question beyond doubt,” the study’s lead scientist said today.
From the shovel
1406
nappin
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:28 am | PERMALINK
guytaur, it’d be interesting to see the same (self selecting) poll in my electorate of Dawson to compare.
1407
poroti
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:32 am | PERMALINK
AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam, former army head Peter Leahy says.
Oooo goody The Crusades again.
1408
guytaur
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:33 am | PERMALINK
nappin
I think that shows the Newspoll may change more than I thought. Especially if they include Gladstone Observer readers in their sample 🙂
1409
zoidlord
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:33 am | PERMALINK
@poroti/1407
Libs and News Ltd always have a love affair with war against “radical islam”, it’s like they saying, if you not with us, you are dead.
1410
lizzie
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:36 am | PERMALINK
Markets are for profit, not learning
There’s a privatisation movement going on all over the world, which Australia seems to be emulating. Some in the UK, US and Australia see this as a “liberal versus conservative” debate. This is a battle to privatise the public space, from airports to roads to parks to schools.
The private sector and increasing majorities of officials in state and national legislatures are winning public opinion based on the assumption that government cannot “get it right". Therefore, anything that can be driven by the free market should be. But the free market is designed to increase profits, not learning.
https://theconversation.com/five-trends-that-jeopardise-public-education-around-the-world-28969
1411
BK
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:37 am | PERMALINK
Is Texas a train wreck or what? They have no idea – the state of guns and overfull prisons.
http://thewest.gawker.com/texas-man-facing-life-in-prison-for-batch-of-pot-brown-1618422638/+laceydonohue?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
1412
zoidlord
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:40 am | PERMALINK
Retweeted by ACOSS
Gerard Thomas @gerardthomas_1 3h
Systemic advocacy by CLCs essential to addressing unintended consequences & bad laws @welfare_rights @acoss http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/community-groups-fear-retaliatory-funding-cuts-for-comments-critical-of-coalition-policy-warns-acoss-20140807-3daix.html … via @smh
1413
CTar1
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:41 am | PERMALINK
The full ‘Liberal’ Press Conference methodology executed here this morning.
a) Assert something;
b) If the veracity is questioned say ‘Taken out of context’;
c) Then ‘someone else said it’; and
d) Cut and run;
And later –
e) Release a written ‘Press Statement’ again ‘asserting’ b) & c).
f) Ignore any follow-on questions.
1414
poroti
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:44 am | PERMALINK
CTar1
With , if required , a back up “g)” of “Blame Labor”.
1415
dave
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:48 am | PERMALINK
AussieAchmed
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:21 am | Permalink
How big business hijacked parliament | The Saturday Paper
Once again straight out of the US playbook.
1416
Bushfire Bill
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:49 am | PERMALINK
The Australian has indeed published extracts from an opinion by a retired QC, Hanson, who reckons Gillard could well be found guilty by a jury if the evidence put to the Royal Commission was offered to a jury in a criminal trial.
Hanson has cherry-picked the good bits for his case, and ignored the bad bits, such as Blewitt’s obvious and continuing confusion and contradictions of his own testimony.
What I saw of his brief reads like a Crim Law student going to town on a set of facts for a mid term essay. When I studied Crim Law I used to do this all the time.
Someone from a political party knocking on a householder’s door to drop off a how-to-vote dodger would end up with them serving a life sentence for attempted murder, conspiracy to commit sodomy and grievous breaches of the Hawkers And Canvassers Act (1832, as amended) attracting the absolute maximum penalty. It was fun, but it wasn’t real.
Hanson’s “case” relies on what the witnesses agreed on, and forgets what they disagreed on. He imputes sinister motives to innocent exchanges. He sees all monies exchanged, dealt with, deposited and otherwise discussed as illegal monies. He deals with the fact that Theiss handed money to Wilson voluntarily as being either (if Theiss really thought it was for workplace safety) the obtaining of money by Wilson under false pretences, or (if Theiss knew it was a dodgy slush fund) demanding money with menaces. And yes, Hanson uses the “B” word: “blackmail”.
Naturally Ace Investigative Reporter, Hedley Thomas, wrote the story, interweaving his own opinions and biases in among Hanson’s undergraduate ramblings. Both Thomas and Hanson have had better days than this.
Hanson, seeking relevance in the twilight of his career, and Thomas trying to relive the glory days of the Haneef Affair, or perhaps the Wivenhoe Dam case, where he hounded engineers working at the dam for allowing a flood to happen during the heaviest rainstorms in decades.
Thomas has that News Ltd bitchiness and cold heartedness, plus its habit of pursuing mindless vendettas when its vanity is offended, running in his veins. He couldn’t possibly survive there if he didn’t have a big bit of the classic Murdoch bastard act in his portfolio.
He also uses his column to have a go – and a pretty nasty one – at Mark Latham’s columns (and the man himself, of course) written in support of Gillard and in defiance of a Hedley Thomas investigative witch hunt.
The piece ends with this, an editorial from The Australian in full “high dudgeon” mode, loftily claiming it has no agenda and is running no vendetta. Also, surprisingly, it claims that they impute no guilt to Gillard. In true “Team Australia” mode, they just want to see justice done, Australian style, with a proper Star Chamber (as if there hadn’t been enough already) and a neat execution.
Their motive? People who get to be Prime Minister should lead blemish-free lives, both before, during and after their stint in political public life. That the System could vomit up someone so obviously dodgy a Julia Gillard as PM must be investigated thoroughly and vigorously, lest it be repeated in some future Prime Minister. This is actually the first time I’ve seen that “i” dooted and the other “t” crossed: the company that routinely hacked thousands of phone accounts is taking the high moral stand. It’s about all they have left, actually, as they’re not making any money and have suffered increasing and (anywhere else) morbidly unhealthy patronage from an skeptical public. It’s mostly just crazies who read The Australian nowadays… a loss-making paper run by crazies, to be read by crazies…. a legend only in its own lunchtime.
The Editorial:
Editorial
Why we are publishing this.
TODAY The Australian is publishing an important story about Julia Gillard’s involvement in the AWU slush fund scandal. The story contains the considered opinion of a respected Queen’s Counsel — Russell Hanson QC — who has reviewed sworn testimony given at the union royal commission.
The Australian does not publish this story lightly. However, the conduct and background of a person who would, just a few years after these events with the AWU, become an elected federal parliamentarian and, ultimately, be elevated to the highest office goes to the very heart of government and political matters in Australia.
It matters not that Gillard is no longer the prime minister or in parliament. The scandal and Gillard’s alleged involvement in it was raised during her term as prime minister. They are matters that go directly to Gillard’s character.
The fact her role in this has not been considered formally by a court is alone a matter of concern and of itself raises important issues concerning government and politics in Australia. The Australian is not suggesting Gillard is guilty of any offence.
However, as Hanson notes, there is enough evidence to suggest that the matter should now be properly considered by a court and a jury.
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fnews%2Ffeatures%2Foffice-of-pm-always-warrants-scrutiny%2Fstory-e6frg6z6-1227018506482&ei=E2flU9rhC9jh8AXOroGgCg&usg=AFQjCNGwY-5IfSqdZ02iFS9TE0kDf1CsHQ&bvm=bv.72676100,d.dGc
The link above is the Google one, so you should be able to use it to read the article yourselves, in its entire, pathetic detail: a couple of has-beens, past the best, writing in a newspaper that hardly anyone reads (much less takes seriously) for an audience of rabids who just can’t stop hating, because it makes them feel better about themselves, including Tony Abbott whom I assume is ultimately the patron of Thomas’ campaign.
Welcome to Abbott’s Australia: run by thugs, telling lies, forever threatening others.
And they have the hide to talk about “blackmail”.
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BK
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:51 am | PERMALINK
DesperAte men do desperate things!
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/09/09/41/abbott-to-visit-netherlands-about-mh17?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
And when he gets back the stinking mess he made here will still be festering.
1418
CTar1
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:52 am | PERMALINK
poroti
Yep, and ‘g)’.
1419
zoidlord
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:52 am | PERMALINK
Retweeted by sortius
Greg Jericho @GrogsGamut 3m
Not that The Oz wishes to incite fear or hatred of anyone purely on the basis of their religion…
1420
Darn
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:54 am | PERMALINK
Frednk
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 9:10 am | PERMALINK
So Prime ministers should be judge by what their parents did?
Fred
I think Kezza’a main point was that Abbott has sucked on the public teat whenever it has suited him but now hypocritically begrudges any welfare assistance to those who genuinely need it. That is what she is judging him on.
The fact that she thought she saw some similarity in the behaviour of his father is incidental to her main argument (with which I happen to agree.)
1421
dave
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:57 am | PERMALINK
poroti
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:32 am | Permalink
AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam, former army head Peter Leahy says.
Oooo goody The Crusades again.
Leahy in the past had come across as pretty sensible to me.
Good thing he is no longer head of the Army though.
Question to Leahy – If what you say *IS* correct, why wouldn’t we go quietly about putting measures in place rather then tell the muslim world we are going to engage in a 100 year war ?
1422
zoomster
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:59 am | PERMALINK
I’m not suggesting ‘The Australian’ is guilty of any offence – Heaven forbid that anyone would slur that noble broadsheet by even suggesting that!! – but I do find it deeply concerning that its conduct has never been examined by a court of law.
Not that it’s done anything wrong deserving of examination by a court of law – I’d never assert that! – but you know, because.
1423
Steve777
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:00 am | PERMALINK
Re Ctari @1413: That’s the fallback methodology when the normal process doesn’t work.
The usual Liberal methodology for the propagation of information (disinformation) is:
1. Assert something
2. If veracity is questioned, call questioner un-Australian and assert more loudly
3. Get Murdoch Press to do full front page spreads supporting your assertion and rubbishing opponents
4. If proven wrong, shoot the messenger and assert more loudly and more often.
6. Eventually enough punters accept the assertion and support any action (or inaction) based upon it.
1424
CTar1
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:00 am | PERMALINK
dave
Leahy in the past had come across as pretty sensible to me.
He’s a retired Major-General Molan clone.
1425
zoidlord
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:02 am | PERMALINK
Retweeted by Tony Windsor
Lori Hendry @Lrihendry 3h
Politics is no longer left vs. right, it’s propaganda vs. truth
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dave
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:03 am | PERMALINK
CTar1
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 10:41 am | Permalink
The full ‘Liberal’ Press Conference methodology executed here this morning.
a) Assert something;
b) If the veracity is questioned say ‘Taken out of context’;
c) Then ‘someone else said it’; and
d) Cut and run;
And later –
e) Release a written ‘Press Statement’ again ‘asserting’ b) & c).
f) Ignore any follow-on questions.
g) Blame Labor
Problem for erica and increasingly for the tories, not only are they stuffing things up – some in the media, a range of qualified experts and voters are putting the blow torch to their bellies and they are not enjoying the experience.
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dave
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:04 am | PERMALINK
CTar1
He’s a retired Major-General Molan clone.
I’m sorry to hear that. Molan is a disgrace and a laughing stock.
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CTar1
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:05 am | PERMALINK
s777
They are getting close to the ‘pathetic range’ at the moment.
Tones going all the way to Holland to sign a condolence book?
A combination of ‘get me out of here’ and ‘milking’.
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zoidlord
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:07 am | PERMALINK
@Ctar/1428
If it’s like anything like the Battlelines book, it will cost us a mint too (i.e. tax payers), prob in the range of a few hundred thousand.
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CTar1
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:08 am | PERMALINK
dave
I’m sorry to hear that.
No sign in the old timers of David Morrison.
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zoomster
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:09 am | PERMALINK
I do love ‘The Australian’ ‘s job titles – Hedley is their ‘National Chief Correspondent’.]
Ah… still only a "correspondent"?
Perhaps he is still doing his penance for the Haneef story?
Everything Labor spent on ‘welfare’ is ‘waste’. Everything Libs spend on PR is ‘necessary for the nation’. 😡
CTar1
[ No sign in the old timers of David Morrison. ]
One of the saner ones made it to the top.
Jeez BB, what on earth just happened?!
Retweeted by sortius
Illawarra Mercury @illawarramerc 3h
A #Wollongong health services researcher has likened the government’s proposed $7 GP fee to a “hernia” http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2475409/how-7-fee-will-hurt-in-the-long-run/?cs=300 …
@confessions/1436
Did BB just Control A?
[Brendan O’Connor @BOConnorMP 1h
Won’t hold breath waiting for apology from commentators and political opponents who attacked my reforms to stop 457 Visa rorts #auspol]
Steve @ 1240
Yep. The intense interest of conservatives in the sanctity of unborn cells and in the need for state power to protect it contrasts sharply with conservatives’ indifference to the interests of less powerful people outside the womb. It makes me suspect that conservatives are motivated, perhaps subconsciously, by a desire to police the sexual activities of women. If a noble desire to protect the powerless or less powerful is the true motivation, why isn’t it extended to children of low-income households, or to low-income adults? Why is it that in the world outside the womb, conservatives generally fall over themselves to expand the power of the already powerful?
The Australian’s musings above make me wonder how long it will be before we see opponents of the ruling clique (of with Newscorp Australia is a big part) subjected to the sort of treatment meted out to Anwar Ibrahim.
Retweeted by ACOSS
Jackie Hanafie @jackiehanafie 6m
NFPs fear funding cuts for comments critical of govt policy, warns @ACOSS http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/community-groups-fear-retaliatory-funding-cuts-for-comments-critical-of-coalition-policy-warns-acoss-20140807-3daix.html … via @smh #npau #nonprofit #auspol
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The Gap Voter @TheGapVoter 4m
100,000 young people set to be affected by budget cuts No Newstart from July 2015 says @ACOSS http://ow.ly/A8h0p #auspol #wherethejobs?
[Jeez BB, what on earth just happened?!]
The festering pustule had another eruption. We thought it was healed, but it appears Hedley is suffering from a superbug.
dave
[One of the saner ones made it to the top.]
I asked Angus Houston (we share a barber) is David Morrison related to Major General Alan “Alby” Morrison?
Answer was ‘Yes, and David’s a much harder man than his father.
(Alby was a fairly soft touch).
BB – The Australian is, of course, the go-to paper for up-to-date hard-hitting stories about the PREVIOUS Govt.
BB – A mighty ‘paste’!
Well done.
[ Steve777
Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 11:22 am | Permalink
The Australian’s musings above make me wonder how long it will be before we see opponents of the ruling clique (of with Newscorp Australia is a big part) subjected to the sort of treatment meted out to Anwar Ibrahim. ]
Also isn’t it one of the IPA’s demands that unelected person be appointed Ministers – again, a la the US.
Ministers selected by murdoch/ IPA ?
Thats way they want the country to go.
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David Pope @davpope 41m
The data retention problem
Re Nicholas 1240: …conservatives are motivated, perhaps subconsciously, by a desire to police the sexual activities of women
I’ve often thought that – maybe as part of a wider project to keep control of reproduction of the group / tribe / nation in the hands of the ruling coterie of alpha males. In other societies and at other times it’s more explicit – arranged marriages, burquas, footbinding, ‘honour’ killings…