Morgan’s latest weekly face-to-face poll has the Labor primary vote falling a point on last week to 30 per cent, which I believe to be an all-time low in a series noted for being biased in their favour. The Coalition is up one to 47.5 per cent, with the Greens down half to 12 per cent. Labor has improved slightly on the headline respondent-allocated two-party preferred measure, on which the Coalition leads 58.5-41.5 (59.5-40.5), but gone backwards on the methodologically preferable previous election measure (from 55-45 to 56-44).
I must say Thomson has been very classy today.
[What’s going on now reminds me a lot of the Lindy Chamberlain case. The whole country wanted to lynch her. No trial required.]
You should tweet that 😉
AJM
In the wards around me Greens outnumbered Labor (eg Walter Taylor). Where I was, it was a close run thing.
Thanks for pointing that out, Castle – yes, I was aware of it. I’m not going to be maintaining the off-site stuff anymore.
BK
You are right, they should build a special annexe in hell just for her.
For all things PMish (although, being a Sunday, it’s not up to date)
http://www.pm.gov.au
Ask zoomster and danny.
Now DTT tell s us That read 60 oercent of you want rudd,
The answe to your baiting trollng question is YES but not rudd
End of cconversation
Puff – no presumption of innocence?
my say
Joining the ALP is not like joining a fan club. Your loyalty is to the party. Meetings debate issues move motions which members discuss both for and against and the majority opinion rules. That is how the platform is developed.
You join a party which aligns with your views and within that you argue a case for what you think is right. It is called Democracy.
I think the last poll showed Labor voters were 50:50 on Rudd vs Gillard.
Trolling discussion over,
kezza 2 @ 2827
Yes, I have noticed DTT is one of a few other ALP members who can see reality.
You overstate your case. I have made favourable comments about JG when she has done something well.
But what I and others here think is nowhere near as important as broader perceptions among the wider community. The objective facts there are that she is distrusted by 75% of the electorate and is less popular than Tony Abbott who is rightly disparaged here.
Is that a launching platform for victory in 2013? The ALPs best chance lies not with JG as leader.
I wish newsreaders would just give us facts. If I want their opinions I’ll ask Rupert for it.
Danny
Only going on press reports – he was definitely allocated to the Gillard side – made a late announcement i thought – might be wrong. Anyway in Qld every bloody senator and MP knows that Rudd is almost their only hope in Qld. Cannot speak for other states.
MJBW @2815 to mysay
Are you a paid up member of the ALP?
I’d say that is a very poor response to her well-founded criticism of your posts. A matter of attacking the criticizer and not the criticism.
[To forbid Turnbull to attend and to deny Crean a pair to pay their respects for a great Australian just shows how petty, mean and not-worth-a-second-glance is the current leader of the Opposition.
He really is the epitome of tawdry.]
kezza – time and again Abbott does things like this and as Megalogenis says – he gets away with it. David Marr made an interesting comment this morning. Said wtte Abbott is like teflon but JG is velcro, poor woman. How true except that all the good policy work doesn’t attract attention or stick at all.
[bemused
Posted Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
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When you join the ALP it doesn’t mean you stop thinking and suspend your critical faculties. ALP members are as capable as anyone else to observe the evidence and reach conclusions.]
No but after about the 30th try at Ruddstorations, the people that matter in the Labor party had a vote, and Rudd lost, seriously lost. As they are close to the action and your not. My guess is you a seriously delusional. It might be smart to find out why they voted against Rudd, assuming your not of cause a concern Troll, which is the bucket I put you in long ago.
imacca
[2) :monkey: presser today?]
http://tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/InterviewTranscripts/tabid/85/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/8693/Press-Conference-Sydney.aspx
i was just reading this to see if really said what came across twitter, as I thought there could be a Privileges Committee referral looming. Abbott has a gift of in the same breath trashing our democratic institutions whilst furthering his naked ambition – the recurring theme being election now.
DareToRead has been reading too much news Ltd and Murdoch.
[Puff, the Magic Dragon.
Posted Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Permalink
kezza2
For that act, may Abbott, the miserable turd, be forever shunned by decent human beings. Whenever he enters a room, everyone else should leave.]
puff, some things it’s easy to understand about politics
But not the rampant debasement of our system of government.
Abbott doesn’t give a stuff about any of it. Pugilism writ large. And with a pugilistic’s brain. Got smashed one to many times, imo. And solely because he didn’t have a brain large enough to understand the damage caused by boxing.
Abbott, with his middle-age stomach sag despite the hours of cycling (at our expense), and the fact that he didn’t bear his children!, needs to take a good, hard look at himself.
But, I expect, even if you held up a mirror to his brain, he’d have trouble focussing. Punch drunk.
And, meant to say earlier – you’re description of Abbott torching parliament was the most succinct analysis I’d read.
[Once Budget, Carbon Price starting, MRRT in effect is history, the Libs may be setting up for a change in leadership later this year so they can try to neutralise those as issues going into the next election,]
The Libs may want to neutralise the whole Murdoch/ NewsLtd etc issue – and any other issue which might give the impression that Liberals are beholden to, and likely to do favours for any group before next election: inc religious, Big Mining, Big whatever.
Dio, i always thought the member you spoke of was , classy in the way he said nothing i doubt i could of, it obviouly effected his health and wel being.
I imagine his wifes pregnancy, must of been harder under the circumstances.
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[No but after about the 30th try at Ruddstorations, the people that matter in the Labor party had a vote, and Rudd lost, seriously lost.]
AH so that’s the elephant in the room that cannot be seen – the result of the vote.
[I wish newsreaders would just give us facts. If I want their opinions I’ll ask Rupert for it.]
LOL! I wish they would make the headlines match up with the actual stories more often.
Thanks for 2868 sprocket.
I found an edited version of JG’s presser on ABC 24, but they didn’t have any of the Q&A at the end which pisses me off mightily.
Danny Lewis 2819
I think my comments may have been misconstrued by you and perhaps others. It was NOT the Senator who made the comments – it was his secretary. And it was NOT Senator Furner’s secretary.
mysay
So, what’s your point of me being in Rudd’s electorate?
Kezza2
It’s not a matter of being “coy”. I mentioned nothing about a “male Senator”.
Please, just read the post and think about what we are all facing – absolute heartache if something is not done.
@286 – I should have written that Megalogenis (in his tweets) intimates that Abbott gets away with things.
my say
He said he’s had two daughter’s born since this started. Even if he’s done what is alleged, you have to have some respect for the way he’s handled himself over the last four years.
My say
I think you will find I have made very few adverse remarks about Gillard. I make favourable ones about Rudd.
I point out the bleeding obvious – Gillard is not winning hearts and minds.
When I have pointed out adverse things about Gillard it is usually also with a suggestion about how to fix it. Now I am sure the stalkers here will l be able to trawl (troll???) through and find some but in general I avoid the negative regarding Gillard.
Dio: I was very impressed with Thomson today. He always comes across to me a very upfront. He speaks openly and confidently.
This is part of the reason I suspect he’ll have a brand new swimming pool within the next couple of years.
The only crisis at the moment is the crisis based on the media’s refusal to shut up about there being a crisis.
They have effectively gone on strike, until they get their election.
[The Libs may want to neutralise the whole Murdoch/ NewsLtd etc issue ]
by burning the recent photo of Tony Abbott with Greg Sheridan for starters?
Wouldn’t you just love to sit Latika down at a table with a nice cup of tea and some bikkies and explain a few facts of political life to her, the first thing being that the media opinionating about something amongst themselves does not constitute “fact”.
fredn @ 2867
You got the concern bit right. I am deeply concerned to see that Tony Abbott never becomes PM.
Rudd will not launch another challenge. But I would not rule out his being drafted.
bemused
and we cannot expect ‘the wider community’ to change their minds about JG if we as Labor supporters don’t back her.
Disunity is death.
All the ad homs on Abbott certainly add to the depth of policy and polling analysis by the posters here.
Feeney
In defence of Maysay and the southerners – they are NOT in Qld. They just do not get it.
If Victoria turns then we will see a different story. Oh and the Shorten factional acolytes will suddenly see all Gillard’s faults, the day he decides his time is right.
Warning Pyne on 24
Kezza2
I hope Australians are proud of themselves for supporting such a vandal. Everyone who voted Coalition at the last election should hang their heads in bloody shame.
Well, it has finally happened.
I been kicked out of the local RSL for a week for disagreeing with one of the Lib supporters. They, a table of four, were merrily bagging Gillard. One of them, we’ll call him ToM, is married to a lovely woman. A woman who is extremely strong. After listening to an outrageuos remark about the PM I pointed out to ToM that although his testicles were firmly ensconsed in his wifes handbag it doesn’t necessarily follow that he should denigrate every other strong woman, PM or otherwise. He’ll never get them back. Ever. The following furore ensured that I’m off the grog for a week.
Zoomster
Agree – pity you dind not see that June 24 2010
Latika putting to Pyne Mary J Fisher hypocrite position
Danny Lewis 2879
Yes, I agree that Thompson was very impressive today, and spoke very confidently and respectfully despite some of the smart alec questions thrown at him.
I’m more worried about the numbers on the floor of the House at the moment and how that will all pan out.
Latika just asked pyne about mary jo fisher, pyne said there is no comparison, somehow Thomson is worser and worser.
Thanks for that link Sproket. Just a lot of political hot air. There is no reason why Thomson can’t sit in parliament and vote how he likes. That’s our law and democracy and Abbott should accept that. It may be smart politics but he is wrong.
Is ABC editorial shift? Has it reached Latika?
The media in this country have actually abrogated their responsibility to inform and educate the Australian public.
All they are interested in at the moment is passing on gossip and trying to be political kingmakers.
Part of the problem is they spend too much time talking to each other, to politicians and to lobbybists and not enough time talking to ordinary human beings. Your average punter is interested in how much things cost and whether their lot in life is getting better or worse and that’s pretty much about it.
The very fact journos think people are more interested in whether or not Slipper was able to cop a feel of his staffer than they are about the contents of the Budget demonstrates this.
{they are NOT in Qld. They just do not get it. Dtt post}
Thank god,
There is 3/4 that are not
zoomster @ 2884
Interesting post but rather disappointing. The ‘wider community’ does not follow PB. Sorry to have to inform you of that.
Ian
Well done, fight the good fight!
[Wonder if murdoch the UK Hasbeen,is in contempt of parliament with his twitter about regime charge,he is the propieter of 70% of media,besides contempt,perhaps undue influence.Or something similar.]
Schnappi – let’s just say he’s contemptible but he’ll get away with it here, no doubt. Who is going to go after him – certainly not the Oz media in any of its forms. But he’s gorn for all money in the UK and possibly US and I’m happy I’m still alive to see it. Been waiting for it to happen to Murdoch since 1975 – I got over the Libs part in it ages ago, but have never forgiven Murdochia. I is a poor loser, obviously!!