Three new federal poll results:
• The monthly Resolve Strategic poll from Nine Newspapers has Labor up two to 30%, the Coalition up one to 38%, the Greens down one to 12% and One Nation down one to 5%. This pollster does not provide two-party preferred, but if the 15% none-of-the-above vote is treated as a single (it includes an unlikely 12% independent vote), the result is almost exactly 50-50 based on preference flows in 2022. Both leaders are steady on approval and down a point on disapproval, Anthony Albanese to 35% and 52% and Peter Dutton to 41% and 41%, with Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister out from 35-34 to 38-35. The poll also finds a telling 55% professing no opinion as to which party has better handled the situation in the Middle East, with 22% favouring “Peter Dutton and the Liberals” and 18% “Anthony Albanese and Labor”. It was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1606.
• The weekly Roy Morgan poll had a tie on two-party preferred after a 51-49 result to the Coalition last time, from primary votes of Labor 31.5% (up one-and-a-half), Coalition 37.5% (down half), Greens 12.5% (down one) and One Nation 5.5% (up one). Using the two-party measure based on 2022 election flows, Labor leads 52-48, out from 51.5-48.5 The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1697.
• The Guardian’s routine early drop of the fortnightly Essential Research poll doesn’t include voting intention results. Stay tuned for later today on that one.
UPDATE: Essential Research’s voting intention results have Labor up three points to 32%, the Coalition down one to 34%, the Greens steady on 12%, One Nation steady on 8%, and undecided unchanged at 5%. The 2PP+ measure has Labor leading 49-47, with the balance undecided, after trailing 48-47 a fortnight ago. Further questions find fully 40% saying “our political system needs fundamental change”, compared with 48% who think it “needs some reform but is fundamentally sound” and only 12% who think it is “working well”. A semi-regular question on Israel’s military action in Gaza records, for some reason, an eight-point rise in “unsure” since August to 32%: 32% favour Israel’s permanent withdrawal, down seven, 18% a temporary ceasefire, down three, and 19% consider Israel’s actions justified, up two. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1139.
@FUBAR: “That’s in the “South” where there were slaves. The vast majority of the US and the building of it was not by slaves.”
Yes, the African-Americans in the North were freed men.
Still not, you know, English whites which was badthinker’s screed.
America wouldn’t be America without the contributions of its immigrants from all over the world (including those brought to America involuntarily), and nor would Australia be Australia without likewise, and they were not all whites from Britain and Ireland. Are we really needing to have this conversation?
dave says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 12:42 pm
Slavery ended in the US 1865.
Yes slavery existed. How much did it contribute to the building of the US to be what it is today? Far less then the contribution of masses of immigrants, with many of them before WWII being from the UK and other European nations.
FUBAR says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 12:46 pm
dave says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 12:42 pm
Slavery ended in the US 1865.
Yes slavery existed. How much did it contribute to the building of the US to be what it is today? Far less then the contribution of masses of immigrants, with many of them before WWII being from the UK and other European nations.
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So you’ve changed your tune. From arguing that slavery was just isolated on plantations you have now been corrected that slavery was integral to probably every construction project in the South.
As for the economic contribution of slavery, you need only look at the exported cash crops that slavery produced which funded significant nation building in the North as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/oct/08/guardian-essential-poll-voters-back-drastic-policy-action-on-australias-cost-of-living-crisis
Considering the poll says:
“Voters were asked if they supported a series of economic reforms. A majority supported price caps (70%); increasing taxes paid by large corporations (70%); reducing income taxes (65%); funding more social services (61%); running budget surpluses to reduce inflation (60%); and raising the level of income support for the unemployed (53%).”
In short, most people want “somebody else” to pay for more tax … not a particularly big revelation. As they say, it is “magic pudding” stuff, rely on taxes from sources most prone to capital flight while expecting unlimited free services. This is the very opposite of economic and fiscal sustainability.
I wonder how this goes towards the Teals and their Comprehensive Tax Reform (TM), which reviews to-date consistently call for lower overall rates and broader based consumption taxation?
Some good news for our ALP Government and is being reflected in the latest polls:
ANZ-Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence increased 1.5pts to 83.5 this week. However, despite the increase, Consumer Confidence has now spent a record 88 straight weeks below the mark of 85 and is now 3.4 points above the same week a year ago, October 2-8, 2023 (80.1), and in line with the 2024 weekly average of 82.1.
A look at Consumer Confidence by State shows mixed results with Consumer Confidence up in New South Wales, Queensland and Western Australia, unchanged in Victoria, but down in South Australia.
Current financial conditions
Now nearly a quarter of Australians, 23% (up 3ppts), say their families are ‘better off’ financially than this time last year compared to 48% (down 5ppts) that say their families are ‘worse off’.
Future financial conditions
Views on personal finances over the next year have improved this week with over a third of respondents, 36% (up 4ppts), expecting their family to be ‘better off’ financially this time next year (the highest figure for this indicator for over two-and-a-half years since March 2022) while 31% (unchanged), expect to be ‘worse off’.
Short-term economic confidence
Now under one-in-ten Australians, 9% (unchanged) expect ‘good times’ for the Australian economy over the next twelve months compared to fewer than a third, 32% (up 1ppt), that expect ‘bad times’.
Medium-term economic confidence
Net sentiment regarding the Australian economy in the longer term declined this week with 11% (down 1ppt) of Australians expecting ‘good times’ for the economy over the next five years compared to just over a fifth, 21% (up 2ppts), expecting ‘bad times’.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9585-anz-roy-morgan-consumer-confidence-october-8
USA intelligence community spent $20 million on a spy cat put a receiver in its ear and a antenna on its tail.Released it to record the conversation of a russian spy in the 1960s.
Sadly it crossed the road in front of a taxi and was killed before it could approach the spy.
TRUE story!
PS Record taxes being payed by aussies!
Arky at 1235, it wasn’t intentional to leave out the Arab reaction to the creation of modern Israel.
That reaction is understandable I think. It is probably little different to the reaction of some Australian Indigenous people to having white settlement foisted upon them, except that the Israelis had equivalent weapons to those of their adversarys.
C@t
And the media still do it today.
dave says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 12:50 pm
This is basically the Monty Python “what have the Romans done for us?” Skit.
The statement that the US was built mainly by immigrants from the UK is a generalisation and fairly accurate.
Where there other immigrant groups, including slaves, who also contributed? Yes. But, the generalisation is generally correct. If you want to break it down into which groups did X amount of the building – go for it.
“In short, most people want “somebody else” to pay for more tax … not a particularly big revelation. As they say, it is “magic pudding” stuff, rely on taxes from sources most prone to capital flight while expecting unlimited free services. This is the very opposite of economic and fiscal sustainability.”
“More tax is good as long as the bloke next door pays it”. Been this attitude for donkeys years here and other capitalist countries.
The statement that the US was built mainly by immigrants from the UK is a generalisation and fairly accurate.
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Not really. While English, Irish and Scottish ancestries in the U.S census are large, they are probably equally matched by German, Italian and Polish ancestries.
So, it’s unlikely that immigrants from the UK were ‘mainly’ responsible for building the US.
It would be more accurate to say that they were as equally responsible as immigrants from continental Europe.
C@t
That article looks consistent with the recent study that found conservatives have slightly larger amygdalas (associated with the fear response)
The “corduroy cadet” strikes again, lead with your chin and lands on the arse.
I thought you were a reservist not a revisionist !
goll says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 1:12 pm
Did you get a little shiver when you typed that? Feels good?
goll says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 1:19 pm
I thought you were a reservist not a revisionist !
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Not bad goll. not bad at all.
Coalition saying No again in the Parliament. Par for the course nowadays. Labors motion:
(1) reiterates its unequivocal condemnation of Hamas’ terror attacks on Israel which took place on 7 October 2023, in which more than 1,200 innocent Israelis were killed, the largest loss of Jewish life on any single day since the Holocaust;
(2) recognises that hundreds more innocent people were subjected to brutality and violence on that day;
(3) calls for the immediate and unconditional release of all the remaining hostages;
(4) condemns the murder of hostages and the inhumane conditions and violence, including sexual violence, that hostages have experienced;
(5) mourns with all impacted by these heinous acts;
(6) condemns antisemitism in all its forms and stands with Jewish Australians who have felt the cold shadows of antisemitism reaching into the present day;
(7) reiterates Australia’s consistent positions to call for the protection of civilian lives and adherence to international law;
(8) mourns the death of all innocent civilians, recognising the number of Palestinian civilians killed in Gaza and the catastrophic humanitarian situation;
(9) supports ongoing international efforts to provide humanitarian assistance in Gaza and Lebanon;
(10) calls for Iran to cease its destabilising actions including through terrorist organisations, the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas, condemns Iran’s attacks on Israel and recognises Israel’s right to defend itself against these attacks;
(11) stresses the need to break the cycle of violence and supports international efforts to deescalate for a ceasefire in Gaza and in Lebanon and for lasting peace and security for Israeli, Palestinian, Lebanese and all people in the region;
(12) affirms its support for a two-state solution, a Palestinian State alongside Israel, so that Israelis and Palestinians can live securely within internationally recognised borders, as the only option to ensuring a just and enduring peace;
(13) recognises the conflict is deeply distressing for many in the Australian community;
(14) condemns all acts of hatred, division or violence, affirming that they have no place in Australia; and
(15) reaffirms:
(a) that symbols of terror and discord are unwelcome in Australia and undermine our nation’s peace and security;
(b) the undermining social cohesion and unity by stoking fear and division risks Australia’s domestic security; and
(c) the responsibility of each Australian to safeguard the harmony and unity that define our diverse society, especially in times of adversity.
Steve Davis
The fact that they would even put that to the table makes him unworthy of a boo. It doesn’t even mention the Diplomatic assassinations and bombing of the Iranian embassy that the Iranian attacks were a response to. I mean seriously what more do you want from a government? Maybe this is a byproduct of the fact that they lobby on behalf of an extremely right-wing government, and the attitudes has filtered down from there.
Anyway I largely agree with C@t, probably a better move to take the jeers, if Dutton wants to go right, well, as election showed, most Australians sit somewhere in the centre.
More blocking by Dutton and crew:
The Coalition will push for numerous bills on the government agenda to go to a committee process, or wait for ongoing committees to report, before they give their verdict on whether to support or oppose: that includes the new aged care bill, anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism financing changes, and the wage increase for early childhood educators.
The party spokesperson reiterated the Coalition’s strong opposition to the misinformation bill, however, calling the amended version “unacceptable” and confirming they would vote against it.
Dave:
One historian, Theodore Kornweibel, has recently begun to research in detail the southern railroads’ use of slave labor. Kornweibel found documented evidence for slave labor on over 75 % of southern railroads. He has also estimated that over 10,000 slaves a year were working on the railroads in the South between 1857 and 1865.
Kornweevil, eh?
Dave, the actual labour to build what became Australia was supplied by convicts.
No, convicts didn’t build Australia, but they did supply the labour.
However, in what was known after 1865 as the United States, slaves did the ploughing planting and picking of the cotton, tobacco and sugar cane harvest.
Some slaves were Irish, originally the Africans were indentured labourers, but the problem arose that the plantation owners were working them to death to avoid paying out the indentures at the end of the Term.
Chattel Slavery was substituted as a humane alternative.
Chinese coolie labour built the Western Railroads, they were shanghaied to America and died in droves.
Any croccy tears for them?
7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13 were unneeded politicising of the motion.
If Albo wants to protect the Western Sydney seats, pass a separate motion.
Bean and FUBAR
Sick. It is an inclusive motion.
Surely not even the extreme, divisive and obstructionist Greens and the Coalition could possibly oppose that motion by Labor?
I suppose the table does not mention specifically the ballistic missiles that Iran is firing at Israeli civilian targets, the death of innocent merchant mariners in the Red Sea or the way in which Iran has expressed genocidal visions statements and backed these up with funding, training and arming genocidal organizations like Heshbollah and Hamas. Or the 83 french peace keepers killed by Heshbollah.
But were one to list every single act of killing, torture and bastardy on both sides there would not be enough time in the world.
@Granny Anny : I utterly reject that it was reasonable (or anything like the Indigenous Australian experience) for Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians et al to react to the UN creating Israel by invading and trying to wipe out the Jews who were invited to be there.
I have sympathy for the Palestinian people themselves who’ve been used as a stalking horse by their cousins (and wiped out in refugee camps by them too), but never for the surrounding countries who just wanted to wipe out Jews and for those countries like Iran which still want to.
The movie Exodus is a good reminder of that. I watched the original version of it only this week.
thanks for that Badthinker. That was a very quirky summation of some random information mixed in with some equally random conjecture, which is your trademark.
dave:
Not really. While English, Irish and Scottish ancestries in the U.S census are large, they are probably equally matched by German, Italian and Polish ancestries.
America was ‘built’ by 1880.
No, the hod carriers, chippies, riggers aren’t Builders.
They’re Labourers.
The Builders conceive the idea, acquire the land, secure the funding, have the plans drawn up, contract the labour, bring the concept to life.
You’re confusing Builders with Labourers.
And until 1880, America was overwhelmingly an AngloSaxon nation.
FUBARsays:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 1:32 pm
[7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13 were unneeded politicising of the motion.]
[If Albo wants to protect the Western Sydney seats, pass a separate motion]
FUBARsays1.19pm
[Did you get a little shiver when you typed that? Feels good?]
Badthinker says:
America was ‘built’ by 1880.
And until 1880, America was overwhelmingly an AngloSaxon nation.
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You poor deluded Anglo Saxon fool. 🙂
Boerwar says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 1:36 pm
There is 364 other days of the year. This should have only been about 7 October.
Once again, Albo’s arrogant take-it-or-leave-it to try and wedge the Opposition on display.
Badthinker @ #127 Tuesday, October 8th, 2024 – 1:40 pm
Ever been to Boston?
Badthinker1.40pm
[And until 1880, America was overwhelmingly an AngloSaxon nation]
after having wiped out the indigenous Native Americans, their homelands, their culture and their cohesion and used slave labour from Africa to provide them with the wealth to continue the development of America as a vision in their own eyes.
Boerwar:
Or the 83 french peace keepers killed by Heshbollah.
When did this happen?
Not saying Fake News.
Yet.
Goll:
… after having wiped out the indigenous Native American, their homelands, their culture …
Their ‘culture’ was torturing and killing.
Aztecs.
Heard of them?
Badthinker @ #133 Tuesday, October 8th, 2024 – 1:53 pm
1983 but denied by Hezbollah
Ever been to Boston?
No, but thanks.
Should read: a British and Irish Country before 1880.
The “looney right” will be tearing their hair out by May 2025, the almost certain date for the next Federal election.
Badthinker @ #133 Tuesday, October 8th, 2024 – 1:53 pm
Israel currently threatening Irish peacekeepers in Southern Lebanon
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg3r2d6p42o
1983 but denied by Hezbollah
Hezbollah didn’t exist in 1983.
The 1983 bombing was generally attributed to Amal, French lost 58.
n.b. Hezbollah drove ISIS out of Syria, at great cost to itself in lives lost. It’s never been a jihadist organisation.
However, Boerwar has been caught out lying.
edit:
Let’s delete ‘lying’, substitute disinformation.
Slavery and slave labour really was the elephant in the room in terms of the development of early colonial USA, right up to the civil war. Its amazing educated people still try to deny it. George Washington had 300 slaves on his Mount Vernon estate.
https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/ten-facts-about-washington-slavery#:~:text=At%20the%20time%20of%20George,owned%20by%20the%20Custis%20estate.
Slaves were used all over colonial USA, both in the south (mainly farming) and also in the north as domestic servants and in workshops. At the time of the War of Independence (1780) the US population was 38% black (virtually all slave labour).
Slavery ended in the north much earlier (1790s in New England) but not until after the civil war in 1865 in the south. Slavery was still critical in the agricultural industries in the south until then. One of the reasons for the civil war was that southern slave traders were not only continuing the slave trade, but were trying to expand it to new western states in the 1850s.
Slavery ceased being a major factor in the US economy when it became more industrialised in the second half of the 19th century.
USA was not alone in this respect. Jamaica, thanks to sugar exports from slave plantations, was the most valuable source of revenue in the British Empire in the 18th Century.
If you ever get to visit Washington, the Smithsonian Museum on African American History, is well worth a visit. FUBAR should pay it a visit.
https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/exhibitions/slavery-and-freedom
Badthinkersays:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 1:55 pm
Goll:
… [after having wiped out the indigenous Native American, their homelands, their culture …]
[Their ‘culture’ was torturing and killing.
Aztecs.]
[Heard of them?]
That’s a desperation shriek of “I’ve got nothin’ “
Boewar, just a small correction, none of those Iranian ballistic missiles targeted or killed Civilians. From what I can see from the videos released, they hit military bases, including one that housed the F-35 Fleet.
It should also be mentioned that the April attack was previously the only time Iran has directly launched an attack at Israel, which was in response to the bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus by Israel.
Chicken greens back down soon as shit gets real (double-dissolution). So the whole
stunting show by stunt bundt and the green faeries was just perfomatory, PATHETIC!
“Housing crisis
Greens ‘don’t need’ rent freeze as Max waters down housing demands
Max Chandler-Mathers’ backdown could clear the way for parliament to pass one of Anthony Albanese’s signature policies ahead of an election to be fought on housing.”
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/greens-don-t-need-rent-freeze-as-max-waters-down-housing-demands-20241008-p5kgmi.html
Greens should take note that most of their voters back Labors policy.
This is also rubbish:
“ Badthinker1.40pm
[And until 1880, America was overwhelmingly an AngloSaxon nation]”
The first US colonies were varied in origin.
Canada and northern States like Vermont were mainly French.
New England was mainly British. (Scots and English)
New York was mainly Dutch. (Remember the Schulyer sisters!)
Pennsylvania was mainly German.
Southern States were 50/50 English and slaves.
Florida started out a Spanish colony.
US immigrants were mainly English in the period between the end of the Seven Years War through to the War of Independence. After that English migration dropped off.
In the 19th century, apart from slaves, the biggest immigrant groups were Irish and German, both easily outnumbering English. Later in the 19th century there were lots of Scandinavian immigrants to mid-western states. (Think Fargo accents).
There is a reason they called the USA a “melting pot”! Because it was. I don’t think there is a credible case to say any one group dominated in USA history.
I could quote more statistics but just think of the names of people and places to get some grip on reality. Roosevelt is a Dutch name. And so on.
What a bucket of crap.
Do you use the same logic when Ukraine shoots down Russian missiles and drones?
“ Their ‘culture’ was torturing and killing.
Aztecs.
Heard of them?”
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You know somebody is losing an argument when they have to shift the goalposts. The Aztecs controlled central and southern Mexico. They never even controlled northern Mexico and certainly never got into USA.
And if you are going to define “America” as North America, or “the Americas” (North and South) then it has never been predominantly Anglo-Saxon. Fairly obviously, everything from Mexico south has been of Spanish or mixed Hispanic descent. Those total populations easily outnumber the USA population.
davo says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 2:06 pm
Chicken greens back down soon as shit gets real (double-dissolution). So the whole
stunting show by stunt bundt and the green faeries was just perfomatory, PATHETIC!
“Housing crisis
Greens ‘don’t need’ rent freeze as Max waters down housing demands
Max Chandler-Mathers’ backdown could clear the way for parliament to pass one of Anthony Albanese’s signature policies ahead of an election to be fought on housing.”
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/greens-don-t-need-rent-freeze-as-max-waters-down-housing-demands-20241008-p5kgmi.html
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A little strong, a better conversation would be to be clear about what the Federal government can and cant do.
– Federal distortion taxes are legitimate to discuss, but unlikely to do much on supply/prices in the short term. These are “long term” changes for sure, but won’t drop your rent tomorrow.
– The feds don’t have price powers over rents, nor can it ignore the laws of supply and demand. Pushing a bazillion public houses would have an exponential cost growth given current issues in the sector.
I suspect the cuts to student numbers will do more to address housing cost than any of the policies discussed by the major and minor parties.
I see that the various Greens and Coalition apologists for, respectively, the genocidal maniacs running either Israel or Iran are running the lines.
It reminds of the blind people who each get to feel a different part of the elephant and who come out with totally different views of what elephants look like.
The elephants in this room have both expressed genocidal intentions and have both acted within their various means so to do.
FUBAR says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 12:58 pm
dave says:
Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 12:50 pm
This is basically the Monty Python “what have the Romans done for us?” Skit.
The statement that the US was built mainly by immigrants from the UK is a generalisation and fairly accurate.
Where there other immigrant groups, including slaves, who also contributed? Yes. But, the generalisation is generally correct. If you want to break it down into which groups did X amount of the building – go for it.
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It that like calling the Royal Family British? 😉
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/amazing-maps-show-where-americans-come-from-and-who-we-really-are-today/