YouGov: 52-48 to Labor (open thread)

The fifth federal opinion poll of the week is the best of the bunch for Labor.

A busy week of federal polling continued yesterday with a new result from YouGov, which had Labor’s two-party lead out from 51-49 to 52-48, from primary votes of Labor 33% (up one), Coalition 36% (down two), Greens 13% (steady) and One Nation 8% (up one). Leadership ratings were not included on this occasion, but there was an Anzac Day-inspired question inviting respondents to choose between assertions that Australia “should be prepared to fight for our country’s values”, favoured by 46%, and that “we should be sceptical of politicians who want to commit troops to wars not necessary to the direct defence of Australia”, favoured by 42%. There was a marked tendency for younger respondents to favour the latter (44% to 34% among the 18-to-24 cohort) and older respondents the former (60% to 34% for those aged 65 and over). The poll was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 1514.

Results from a YouGov state poll for Queensland will be published at 2pm today in the Courier-Mail. UPDATE: For now it only offers the finding that 53% would prefer Steven Miles to Annastacia Palaszczuk as Premier and 47% vice-versa. Voting intention evidently to follow tomorrow morning.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. In that newspaper of record of extraordinary bias – The Australian – there is much preaching about the sanctity of the market mechanism and the absolute folly of the government’s plan to subsidise investment in new industries. Such sharp economic brains have not, however, cared to admonish nor demand we terminate the massive subsidies given to the fossil fuel industry. Nor have they raised the irony that it is this industry which arguably needs subsidies least. The Australia Institute projects fossil fuel subsidies over the next 3 next years at $57 billion. Currently they are running at $11 billion annually. Jeremy Webb lays out a small selection of where they are going in Western Australia.
    https://johnmenadue.com/the-great-winner-picking-winner-stopping-show/

    There is no need for fossil fuel industry subsidies.

  2. But Ven! If we remove the subsidies they wouldnt be profi…. sorry couldnt finish typing it with a straight face. But hey, anything that transfers public money into private coffers must remain because something something economy, something something line goes up :/

  3. The channel crossing numbers will likely increase in the period around the Olympics. The additional police that the French are currently deploying trying to stop the Channel crossings are required for additional security in Paris. So there is expected to be an explosion in numbers in July and August – at exactly the time Sunak and fiends will want numbers to be dropping in the lead up to the election.

  4. Good point, Socrates. In those statistics of male on male murder of homosexual males, how much is homophobic male on homosexual male?

    Also, simplistically pointing to a statistic that there are males that murder other males known to them in a family environment says absolutely nothing about how many of them fought back after years of abuse of them or their mother?


  5. C@tmommasays:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 8:06 am
    Badthinker @ #1363 Monday, April 29th, 2024 – 7:58 am

    Parnell Palme McGuinness writes that when Justice Michael Lee handed down his findings in the Lehrmann defamation case: in the aftermath of the ruling, it’s not yet fully appreciated how the case will change society. Of course, we were all agreed that sex without consent is rape. But Lee extracted a narrative of how consent can turn into non-consent without a word being uttered. She says cads should now be on notice.

    Unclear if McGuinness is proposing there had been consent at some earlier stage of the evening in the Lehrmann/Higgiuns encounter?

    I read it last night and my impression was that, as Justice Lee carefully outlined, consent may have been implied by actions that culminated with agreeing to go to Parliament House (though it’s not clear that that was anything more than agreeing to Uber together) and drink whiskey, however, once Person B passed out and Person A did the deed anyway, that was when consent evaporated. The ‘cad’ took advantage of the situation.

    What I noticed is that BT puts the onus on women for any bad behaviour whether it done by men or women.

    This is another example of how Liberal party and/or Liberal party supporters treat women in general.

  6. Griff @ #1398 Monday, April 29th, 2024 – 9:25 am

    Structural and social determinants of violence are well established in situations where the victim was known to the perpetrator and in situations where they were not. Let’s not get into the weeds attempting to rate some violence as better or worse than other violence. Addressing inequity would address both conditions.

    That’s a very milquetoast prescription you have provided there, Griff. ‘Addressing inequity’. How so? Giving men more money to spend on steroids and Monster and Ice?

    I have an idea. How about compulsory attendance for all high school students, male and female, to Family Studies classes? My son did Family Studies and he was only 1 of 2 boys that did it. He received abuse from the boys in the playground that wouldn’t do it if you paid them, being called a poofter, a paedophile and worse. Yet he learned so much about the female perspective by doing it. And he certainly relates better to women than any of the boys that became men who didn’t do it.

    The other boy in the class did it so he could get on the fast track to dates. 🙂

  7. Australian students will be taught old-school discipline – including how to line up, keep quiet and be still – in a bid to rid classrooms of the behaviour crisis that sees teachers routinely abused, attacked and children disrupted. The new model of school discipline will be rolled out nationally this year, after a Senate inquiry heard horror tales of students hurling furniture at teachers, keying their cars, punching them, stealing wallets – all while disrupting their peers from learning. It can be revealed Australian students will be explicitly taught how to enter the classroom quietly, how to sit, how to listen properly and how to ask questions, with strategies varying from school to school. Schools are also moving back to traditional classroom arrangements with desks lined up in rows facing the teacher. Experts say children no longer come to school knowing how to behave and must be explicitly taught not to call out, talk among themselves and run around the classroom.
    https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/south-australia-education/new-classroom-behaviour-model-to-be-rolled-out-in-schools/news-story/9d3503d7f224e743e3936e30b1c226a6?amp


  8. C@tmommasays:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 9:47 am
    Griff @ #1398 Monday, April 29th, 2024 – 9:25 am

    Structural and social determinants of violence are well established in situations where the victim was known to the perpetrator and in situations where they were not. Let’s not get into the weeds attempting to rate some violence as better or worse than other violence. Addressing inequity would address both conditions.

    That’s a very milquetoast prescription you have provided there, Griff. ‘Addressing inequity’. How so? Giving men more money to spend on steroids and Monster and Ice?

    I have an idea. How about compulsory attendance for all high school students, male and female, to Family Studies classes? My son did Family Studies and he was only 1 of 2 boys that did it. He received abuse from the boys in the playground that wouldn’t do it if you paid them, being called a poofter, a paedophile and worse. Yet he learned so much about the female perspective by doing it. And he certainly relates better to women than any of the boys that became men who didn’t do it.

    The other boy in the class did it so he could get on the fast track to dates.

    C@tmomma
    My motto is”do the right thing because it is the right thing to do” not because you would benefit from that.
    That is what my father told me. And it is bloody hard thing to do all the time.

    A lot of people are forgotten after death after a period of time.
    But there are some people, who live in the hearts of people because they did the right thing for other people.

  9. Ven says:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 9:34 am

    In that newspaper of record of extraordinary bias – The Australian – there is much preaching about the sanctity of the market mechanism and the absolute folly of the government’s plan to subsidise investment in new industries. Such sharp economic brains have not, however, cared to admonish nor demand we terminate the massive subsidies given to the fossil fuel industry. Nor have they raised the irony that it is this industry which arguably needs subsidies least. The Australia Institute projects fossil fuel subsidies over the next 3 next years at $57 billion. Currently they are running at $11 billion annually. Jeremy Webb lays out a small selection of where they are going in Western Australia.
    https://johnmenadue.com/the-great-winner-picking-winner-stopping-show/

    There is no need for fossil fuel industry subsidies.

    ————————

    As you know this is Albanese Labor government policy too. They are determined to keep their polices almost identical to the Liberal Party.

    Another story today about how disabled students at religious and Independent schools receive more money from the Albanese government than public schools with these students.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/29/revealed-private-school-students-reap-thousands-more-than-public-students-in-disability-funding

    Labor hates lower income adults and children. Their polices support with many $billions annually of our taxes business and wealthier people. Including many companies listed on the stock exchange, ASX, or are based overseas, for providing aged care, child care, private health insurance.

    And other NDIS, Job Providers who rort the taxpayer.

    The Job Providers who get paid by the taxpayer even if they don’t find an unemployed person a job, that person finds it themselves.
    This is Minister Tony Burke’s Department.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/28/payslip-wars-australian-jobseekers-suffer-harassment-in-a-crazy-system-that-doesnt-work-for-anyone#:~:text=In%202022%2D23%20providers%20received,over%20the%20information%20%E2%80%93%20and%20employers.

    No wonder there is no money for the adults on poverty level Jobseeket, or the 1 in 6 children living in poverty, or those young adults with big HECs debts who pay more tax than the wealthy gas companies selling our resources.

    And will the Albanese government find the money for the big need of over 500 child protection workers and programs Australia wide to change violent men’s behaviours?

    Cody was known to child protection workers as a baby.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-28/angus-beaumont-queensland-making-a-killer-youth-crime/103688918?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=other

    So much waste, poor choice of who gets funded, in their government.

  10. C@tmomma says:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 9:47 am
    Griff @ #1398 Monday, April 29th, 2024 – 9:25 am

    “Structural and social determinants of violence are well established in situations where the victim was known to the perpetrator and in situations where they were not. Let’s not get into the weeds attempting to rate some violence as better or worse than other violence. Addressing inequity would address both conditions.”

    That’s a very milquetoast prescription you have provided there, Griff. ‘Addressing inequity’. How so? Giving men more money to spend on steroids and Monster and Ice?

    I have an idea. How about compulsory attendance for all high school students, male and female, to Family Studies classes? My son did Family Studies and he was only 1 of 2 boys that did it. He received abuse from the boys in the playground that wouldn’t do it if you paid them, being called a poofter, a paedophile and worse. Yet he learned so much about the female perspective by doing it. And he certainly relates better to women than any of the boys that became men who didn’t do it.

    The other boy in the class did it so he could get on the fast track to dates.

    ___________

    Address inequity in accordance with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, C@tmomma. But perhaps compulsory Family Studies will is the better solution.

    Time for a crumpet!

  11. Jakarta, on the northwest coast of Java at the mouth of the Ciliwung river, is Indonesia’s capital and its biggest city. It’s home to some 10.6 million people and about 30 million in the metropolitan area. It’s also sinking, with about 40% of the area now below sea level. The Indonesian government plans to move the capital to Nusantara, a new city being built on the eastern coast of Borneo, about 870 miles north of Jakarta. It will cost an estimated $35 billion and won’t be finished until 2045. About 6,000 government workers are expected to move there in time for the next president’s inauguration in October, however.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/jakarta-sinking-indonesia-new-capital-city-nusantara-photos-climate-crisis-2024-4

  12. The Age 29/04
    Prime Minister Anthony Albanese would not confirm or deny fresh accusations from Sarah Williams, the organiser of Canberra’s rally to end violence against women, that he told her “I am the prime minister. I run the country”.
    _____________________
    What an arsehole.
    It’s got a bit of the Belinda Neal’s (don’t you know who I am) about it.

  13. Trump was not prepared for RFK Jr. to attract so many MAGA voters

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/4/28/2237640/-Trump-was-not-prepared-for-RFK-Jr-to-attract-so-many-MAGA-voters?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web


    In the wake of new polling suggesting RFK Jr. would siphon more votes away from Trump than President Joe Biden, Trump is stablin’ and geniusin’ up a storm, taking to his perpetual prevarication platform Truth Social to knock the wind out of the independent candidate’s campaign. His latest tirade comes just days after Trump claimed RFK the Lesser could hurt both major party candidates but “he might hurt Biden a little bit more.”

    As Daily Kos noted Tuesday, new polling from NBC News shows Kennedy support at 13%—but notably, he “picks up 15% of Trump’s support in the head-to-head while attracting only 7% of Biden’s original voters.” But that’s not all! In the Marist poll, Kennedy gains a point; and “17% of Trump voters threw their support behind Kennedy in this poll, compared to 11% of Biden voters.”

    Which brings us to Friday’s panic.

    “RFK Jr. is a Democrat ‘Plant,’ a Radical Left Liberal who’s been put in place in order to help Crooked Joe Biden, the Worst President in the History of the United States, get Re-Elected,” Trump groused, while accidentally acknowledging that Biden won the 2020 election. “A Vote for Junior’ would essentially be a WASTED PROTEST VOTE, that could swing either way, but would only swing against the Democrats if Republicans knew the true story about him. Junior’ is totally Anti-Gun, an Extreme Environmentalist who makes the Green New Scammers look Conservative, a Big Time Taxer and Open Border Advocate, and Anti-Military/Vet…”

    Ah, but he wasn’t done. There were more meticulously crafted bons mots to come.

    “Page 2: His Radicalized Family will never allow him to be a Republican, and his Chief ‘Funder’ is the V.P. Candidate that nobody ever heard of, except her ex-husband, who’s been stripped of a big chunk of cash. She puts herself down as a businesswoman, or maybe a doctor, and actually, I guess you could say that she’s right. Her business was doing surgery on her husband’s wallet! She’s more Liberal than Junior’ by far, not a serious person, and only a Pot of Cash to help get her No Chance Candidate on the Ballot…”

    In other words, “You’re not the bonkers conspiracy candidate—I am!”

  14. Loss of federal protection in Idaho spurs pregnant patients to plan for emergency air transport

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/4/28/2236877/-Loss-of-federal-protection-in-Idaho-spurs-pregnant-patients-to-plan-for-emergency-air-transport?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=more_recent_news&pm_medium=web


    This article was originally published on Idaho Capital Sun.

    Since the U.S. Supreme Court decided in January to consider a case about whether a federal law regarding emergency medical treatment supersedes an abortion ban in Idaho, air transports out of state for pregnancy complications at one of the state’s largest hospitals have increased from one in all of 2023 to six in the past four months.

    St. Luke’s Chief Medical Officer Dr. Jim Souza said if that pace continues, that number could be 20 patients before the year is over.

    “We have limited resources in terms of helicopters, fixed-wing transports and ambulances. If we occupy an air transport with a patient who could completely receive the totality of her care right here, safely, it’s potentially dangerous for other patients,” Souza said.

    Idaho’s abortion ban went into effect in August 2022, a few months after the U.S. Supreme Court issued its Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision that overturned Roe v. Wade, ending federal protection for abortion access and allowing states to regulate it instead.

    That rise has prompted some Idaho physicians to advise their pregnant patients, or those trying to become pregnant, to purchase memberships with companies like Life Flight Network or Air St. Luke’s in the Boise area to avoid potentially significant costs if they need air transport in an emergency. With or without private insurance, the cost can be thousands of dollars.

    “The thought of this becoming the new normal — I don’t want it to be the new normal,” said Blaine Patterson, director of the Air St. Luke’s program, which reported the recent increase in transports by air.”

  15. Fortunately he didn’t go the “do you know who I am” – mainly because it’s bloody embarrassing for him when they don’t.

    Loves fighting Tories.

    Not sure why he has an issue with UK Conservatives, but good on him.

  16. Further the article by Rosalind Dixon about what can be done about domestic violence

    Many years ago Victoria had a program where women threatened with domestic violence could wear an alert like a medic alert that they could press if the person with an AVO appeared

    It was very successful in reducing violence
    A Liberal state government was elected and program shut down

  17. Yes, yes FUBAR, survivors of family and domestic violence are really interested in the politics of envy masked in faux pain, suffering and fear.

    How silly of me not to see it before.

  18. yabba @ #1423 Monday, April 29th, 2024 – 10:40 am

    Mostly Interested @ #1387 Monday, April 29th, 2024 – 8:57 am

    My take away, this is a toss up race which either candidate could win.

    All the historical data indicates that polls this far from the Presidential election date have NO predictive value at all. They are, in fact, less than 50% ‘accurate’.

    Yeah I’ve seen that data too. I’ll stick with my statement and come back to it when the 538 odds predictor gets switched on around July.

  19. ‘Tel Aviv Albo’ or ‘Reichspotato’ as of 2024, let’s see if there’s a change for 2025, besides minor parties and independents

  20. Further to my earlier comments, I do not suggest there are no murders of partners in LGBTIQ relationships. Though I have never seen any evidence the rate of that exceeds other types of murder.

    Whereas there is lots of evidence that gay hate crime murders of gay men was a significant problem in Australia, notoriously in the police and army.
    https://theconversation.com/cold-case-gay-murders-two-books-illuminate-australias-dark-history-of-police-and-military-violence-179093

    SBS documented at least 30 cases, including multiple at a notorious location at Sydney Heads cliffs.
    https://www.sbs.com.au/gayhatedecades/

    Sadly I recall one former poster here had suffered loss from this cause here in Adelaide back in the 1970s.

    The main problem is violent men, often driven by resentment and archaic attitudes to women. It ought to be called out, or we are avoiding the problem.

    For the record I had a gay friend in Brisbane who came out in the late 80s. It wasn’t just fear of disapproval that delayed him. He had a fear of being bashed which was well founded in Brisbane in the Bjelke Petersen era.

  21. Billie – That sounds like a good idea but a little expensive – a phone app would be cheap. A mobile phone app would be extremely easy to build and could be made as a essentially a massive button on one’s phone. The back end – notifying the police would be a little harder but still could be done with out too much hassle. So press a button on the phone – automatic message to Triple Zero of location and situation – home security systems have had this for years if enter the wrong PIN with an extra digit for hostage situations.
    I would almost suggest that somewhere in private industry could do it as a community service project (Maybe PWC to rebuild community goodwill).

  22. Rewi says:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 10:33 am
    Yes, yes FUBAR, survivors of family and domestic violence are really interested in the politics of envy masked in faux pain, suffering and fear.

    How silly of me not to see it before.

    Tell me, if “addressing inequity”, as required according to Griff, is not about “wealth redistribution” then what is it about?

  23. Badthinker

    Do many of the Male/Male murders involve an intinate relationship, but aren’t reported as such in the MSM under the excuse of not promoting homophobic/right wing stereotyping?
    Socratessays:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 9:11 am

    What is your problem? Got any evidence to support these assumptions? No? This is rubbish.

    If anything I suspect the opposite. Historically most murders of gay men in Australia during my lifetime were committed by homophobic straight men. They were then often not adequately investigated by bent cops. There were multiple examples in both SA and NSW.

    As with violence by men against women, the main problem seems to be insecure and violent straight men.

    I could ask you for proof of your assertions, but what’s the point?
    The issue is DV, surely discussion can be gender neutral, unless there is something special about female victims of male partner violence?
    No one has raised that possibility anywhere so I will:
    Murder of Women is murder of the future.

  24. C@tmommasays:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 9:47 am
    Griff @ #1398 Monday, April 29th, 2024 – 9:25 am

    Structural and social determinants of violence are well established in situations where the victim was known to the perpetrator and in situations where they were not. Let’s not get into the weeds attempting to rate some violence as better or worse than other violence. Addressing inequity would address both conditions.

    That’s a very milquetoast prescription you have provided there, Griff. ‘Addressing inequity’. How so? Giving men more money to spend on steroids and Monster and Ice?

    I have an idea. How about compulsory attendance for all high school students, male and female, to Family Studies classes? My son did Family Studies and he was only 1 of 2 boys that did it. He received abuse from the boys in the playground that wouldn’t do it if you paid them, being called a poofter, a paedophile and worse. Yet he learned so much about the female perspective by doing it. And he certainly relates better to women than any of the boys that became men who didn’t do it.

    The other boy in the class did it so he could get on the fast track to dates.
    —————————
    Pushback is to be expected because the same thing is seen online from the red pill crowd that reckon men and boys should never listen to women about dating because women don’t know what they want and feminism is the enemy of men. But women influencers are a mixed bag because some women are openly hostile to men but there are moderate voices and that’s why educational program has to be more than just about boy be nice to girl it also has to be about how to deal with things in a mature way because women still expect men to act like men so men have to be taught not to be a doormat and simp.

    Anyone wants to see it can check it all out on youtube and tiktoc.

  25. Income support payments in Australia is in desperate need of an overhaul of attitudes and processes

    There are 3 systems
    1. indexed sequential database written in 1970s which applies the days transactions in an overnight batch run, like your bank does
    2. a SAP system for management & ministerial reports. SAP is an indexed database based on a Chart of Accounts (WHY?) – it has a poor interface with database 1
    3. Salesforce database to record all phone calls between Services Australia and their clients and retrieve the phone calls

    The underlying system was built in 1970s.when Australia’s population was 13 million, unemployment rate was 2% & no Medicare. It is designed to capture the days transactions and apply them to database in overnight batch run. Nowadays Fridays transactions get applied on Tuesday nights OR LOST . Many JobSeekers complain that Services Australia has to be told again and again about changed circumstances. Ridiculous really as SA can stop payments quickly

    High number of transactions from pay suspension through failure to comply with mutual obligations

    Morrison redesigned Mutual Obligation so a white person will be suspended every 6 months, an aboriginal every 3 months

    Suspensions also due to JSP incompetence – JSP contact sick so pay stop and Services Australia operator error

    Services Australia has been understaffed since 2019 so hiring 3000 staff on 6 month contract, when it takes 5 months to train them is not productive

    Wait times to get income support payments now
    – 6 months for aged pension
    – 6 months to register newborn for Medicare
    – 6 months for Job Seeker
    – 12 months or never for DSP

    Poor people can’t borrow money from family & friends while they wait for claims to be processed

    It’s all very well to train people for jobs, but the jobs must be there

    Today the Reserve Bank of Australia uses NAIRU to reduce inflation, so it raises interest rates, to raise % unemployed to 4.5%, to reduce demand for goods & services

    Job Seeker is no longer a short term payment, average length of time on Job Seeker is 5 years, 50%+ are over 50 and many are too sick to work

    The number of people receiving Job Seeker payments is not published but if it was 4.5% of the workforce it would be 585,000 people but is currently over 1 million people

    Job Seeker payments are so low that payment level will make you sick over a long period of time. Fare Share Melbourne is preparing meals for welfare recipients in Katherine NT – hopefully its culturally appropriate

  26. FUBAR, wealth inequality exacerbates pretty much every issue that exists today; its hardly “we are jealous and want this”…

  27. Badthinker (well named!)

    See my post at 10:50 re main cause of gay deaths. Read the links.

    Re DV deaths, the evidence is again clear: its mostly men.

    “ Among all people in Australia who have suffered violence, nearly all have experienced violence from a male perpetrator (95% of male victims and 94% of female victims). Around one quarter of all victims have experienced violence from a female perpetrator (28% of male victims and 24% of female victims).

    The vast majority of perpetrators of homicide in Australia – 87% – are male. Three-quarters (75%) of all victims of domestic violence reported the perpetrator as male and 25% reported the perpetrator as female. Among all victims of sexual violence aged 15 or older, six times as many people reported violence by a male perpetrator as by a female perpetrator.”
    https://theconversation.com/who-is-perpetrating-domestic-sexual-and-family-violence-192606#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20consistent%20findings,94%25%20of%20female%20victims).

    Not focusing on male violence to solve DV would be like ignoring drink driving and fatigue while trying to solve road deaths. Its not the only cause but its the main one.

  28. FUBARsays:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 10:58 am
    Rewi says:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 10:33 am
    Yes, yes FUBAR, survivors of family and domestic violence are really interested in the politics of envy masked in faux pain, suffering and fear.

    How silly of me not to see it before.

    Tell me, if “addressing inequity”, as required according to Griff, is not about “wealth redistribution” then what is it about?

    ——————–
    Yesterday you brought up boys falling behind.

  29. billie says:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 11:04 am

    Morrison redesigned Mutual Obligation so a white person will be suspended every 6 months, an aboriginal every 3 months

    Do you expect to make that allegation of racism without providing evidence?

    Today the Reserve Bank of Australia uses NAIRU to reduce inflation

    Any evidence for that claim? The statement doesn’t make sense. NAIRU is not “used”. It is a theoretical concept and if you understood the theory you would also know that it’s not a fixed variable. It certainly isn’t a target of the RBA.

    I couldn’t be bothered with the rest – someone else have a go.

  30. What I don’t get about the US.
    The proposition that the life of a fetus is more important than its mother is a very strict interpretation of Catholic doctrine but not a fundamentalist Protestant tenet.
    (The “logic” is that the fetus is unbaptised and therefore its death is also the spiritual death of the soul, whereas with the mother it is “only “ the death of the body. Catholics can baptise at birth but fundamentalists only baptise at adulthood, so the birth of the fetus is less important.

    Don’t blame me I didn’t make this up or believe it – but it did lead to animated discussion when I was an obstetrics student at St Margaret’s nearly 50 years ago)

    Anyway to get back to the point the MAGA right is based in fundamentalism and certainly not Catholicism, so how did this bizarre policy get legs?

  31. Albo can tell the other states to adopt Vctorias royal commission recommendations into mental health and also restrict immigration from sexist countries EG.Many Muslim countries also from India.Also stop sexist quotas .Also sex education in schools tack on respect for women in those classes.

  32. Lordbain says:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 11:06 am
    FUBAR, wealth inequality exacerbates pretty much every issue that exists today; its hardly “we are jealous and want this”…

    Utter rubbish. If my neighbour wins a multimillion lotto win it doesn’t impact me negatively in any way.

    Poverty is an issue. Inequality in income and wealth is not.

  33. Socratessays:
    Monday, April 29, 2024 at 11:07 am
    Badthinker (well named!)

    See my post at 10:50 re main cause of gay deaths. Read the links.

    Re DV deaths, the evidence is again clear: its mostly men.

    “ Among all people in Australia who have suffered violence, nearly all have experienced violence from a male perpetrator (95% of male victims and 94% of female victims). Around one quarter of all victims have experienced violence from a female perpetrator (28% of male victims and 24% of female victims).
    You say:
    Re DV deaths, the evidence is again clear: its mostly men.
    Then:
    “ Among all people in Australia who have suffered violence, …
    That is a different stat, which doesn’t break out DV victims from victims generally.
    Not sure what you’re saying, so I’ll take a guess:
    Are you saying that violent men are far more likely to choose M/F rather than same sex partners?
    If i’ve got that wrong, O.K., but my observation [fwtw] is Male Same Sex relationships are very likely to manifest Emotional, Economic and Physical violence.

  34. Mexicanbeemer

    I couldn’t be bothered with going through the difference between equality and equity except to note my comments were highlighting the hypocrisy of those demanding equality except when they don’t care about it.

  35. pied piper @ #1443 Monday, April 29th, 2024 – 11:19 am

    Albo can ASK the other states to adopt Vctorias royal commission recommendations into mental health and also restrict immigration from sexist countries EG.Many Muslim countries also from India.Also stop sexist quotas .

    Fixed that for you. But also call out that you are backing a Labor government’s royal commission’s findings. Good on you PP.

  36. FUBAR
    I can’t remember whether I read the underlying figures in The Saturday Paper or the Guardian but remote area aborigines are suspended at twice the rate of whites
    YES Mutual Obligations is RACIST

    Financial pages will tell you that Reserve Bank has
    1 job – control inflation
    and 1 tool – raise and lower interest rates

    and journalists like Michael Pascoe and Alan Kohler think that Reserve Bank blind adherence to NAIRU with unemployment rate of 4.5% will plunge Australia into recession

    BUT FUBAR you should continue ignorantly to do you!

  37. OC

    Gillard was prescient on the topic but was pooh poohed at the time.

    Your doctrinal interpretations are, IMO, correct.

    However I wouldn’t assume that MAGA is driven by doctrinal purity.

    If they were they could not possibly vote for Trump.

  38. Pretty sure that lots of Republicans have been opposed to abortion for a lot longer than MAGA has been a thing, and lots of them aren’t catholic.

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