Weekend miscellany: Voice and Queensland polls, Liberal Senate preselections (open thread)

Bad news for the Indigenous Voice and Queensland Labor from RedBridge Group, and three doses of Liberal Senate preselection news, including Marise Payne’s looming casual vacancy.

We should be due for the monthly Resolve Strategic poll next week, followed shortly by a New South Wales state result, and there’s no telling when something might pop up on the Indigenous Voice front. For the time being, there is the following news to relate:

• Two reports on RedBridge Group polls in the News Corp papers today, one showing the Indigenous Voice headed for a 61-39 defeat nationally after the exclusion of 15% persistently undecided, the other putting the LNP ahead 55-45 on state voting intention in Queensland. Primary votes in the latter case were LNP 41%, Labor 26% and Greens 14% (UPDATE: Further detail from the ABC). The former poll was conducted at some point following Anthony Albanese’s announcement of the October 14 date the Thursday before last, the latter was conducted August 26 to September 6 from a sample of 2012.

• New South Wales Liberal Senator Marise Payne has announced she will retire from parliament on September 30. Two names are dominating speculation about the vacancy: Nyunggai Warren Mundine, presently enjoying an elevated profile as a public face of the Indigenous Voice no campaign, and Andrew Constance, former state government minister and narrowly unsuccessful candidate for Gilmore at the May 2022 election. Liberal sources said Mundine would enjoy strong support from conservatives and Alex Hawke’s centre right, and would “even peel off moderate voices”. The Australian further reports Catholic Schools NSW chief executive Dallas McInerney could again be in a preselection mix, although some doubted he was “a realistic candidate, particularly given his affiliation to the ‘imploded’ Perrottet/Tudehope right faction”. Further possibilities named by the Sydney Morning Herald are “former RSL head James Brown and Jess Collins”.

• Liberal sources cited by Alexi Demetriadi of The Australian say it is now considered unlikely that Scott Morrison will vacate his seat of Cook before the next election. Cook is a notable exclusion from the list of seats where the New South Wales Liberals are proceeding to preselection, together with Mackellar, where it is speculated that the way is being left open for an attempted comeback by Jason Falinski. An imminent preselection would present an obstacle to Falinksi given his present role as state party president.

Matthew Denholm of The Australian reports Clarence mayor Brendan Blomeley and Hobart alderman Simon Behrakis will seek preselection for the two winnable positions on the Tasmanian Liberal Senate ticket. This involves challenging incumbents Richard Colbeck and Claire Chandler, though Behrakis “is understood to be content with the No. 3 spot, should party preselectors prefer to favour the two incumbents”. Both prospective challengers are conservatives, but Behrakis is associated with Senator Jonathan Duniam and Blomeley with rival powerbroker Eric Abetz. The issue will be decided by the party’s 67-member preselection committee on November 25.

Shane Wright of the Age/Herald made the case last week for an enlarged parliament, a subject that appears likely to be addressed when the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters completes its two-stage inquiry into the 2022 election. A motion carried at Labor’s recent national conference calling for the Australian Capital Territory and Northern Territory to go from two Senators to six prompted opposition Senate leader Simon Birmingham to call for the government to rule out changes to the parliament or electoral system before the next election.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

664 comments on “Weekend miscellany: Voice and Queensland polls, Liberal Senate preselections (open thread)”

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  1. C@tmomma says:
    Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13 am
    You can smell the Liberal hubris from here. They think they’ll be back in power federally after the next election.
    ——————————
    With the lib/nats combined primary vote averaging 36% or below, they can expect to remain in opposition for while

  2. The SMH editorial gives it to the Liberals with unvarnished zero spin:

    The way the federal Liberal Party would have you see it, the string of senior figures pulling the pin on their political careers mid-term or at the next election is merely a sign of healthy renewal.

    The more honest explanation is that the party is struggling to replace its tired, outgoing MPs with new, energetic talent at a time when a tired political body is in desperate need of fresh faces.

    Consider the latest example: after a year of speculation, senator Marise Payne, a senior minister under Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison, announced on Friday her intention to formally resign from parliament on September 30.

    Payne’s retirement will draw to a close a 26-year-career in the Senate, although she has been happily ensconced in the political departure lounge since the Coalition’s defeat at last year’s election.

    Payne has barely said a word in the Senate since being consigned to the opposition benches. While she has been a member of Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s senior team as shadow cabinet secretary, whatever that means, Payne has hardly been a shining recent contributor to parliamentary and public policy debates, which is particularly regrettable given she is one of the few moderates left in the party.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/marise-payne-is-leaving-but-has-long-been-ensconced-in-the-political-departure-lounge-20230908-p5e32z.html

  3. If you look at the opinion polling even the swing trend is to Labor

    Labor swing to is 2.4%

    Lib/nat swing to is 1.3%

    Suggest Lib/nats are going to lose ground if the swing is replicated on election day

  4. And you know who’s been there almost as long as Marise Payne? Peter Dutton. And you know who’s been there almost as long as Marise Payne? Peter Dutton. You can see the wheels turning in his political brain. He believes it’s his turn next. He thinks he’s earned it, just by dint of being leader of the Coalition. As almost a divine right of Liberal kings. That Labor are only place holders on the government benches until the stink goes away from the Morrison government. Well, as you rightly point out, the Coalition are becoming more conservative by the day, but the Australian electorate is not. So it’s going to take more than the retirement of a few old faces, I think it will take the realisation that they need to become more like the electorate that is presently shunning them, before they are ready for the Ministerial Wing of parliament again.

  5. When the referendum is defeated what is going to be especially galling is watching all those who have campaigned viciously, divisively and dishonestly against the Voice to Parliament suddenly express regret. Not at their own actions, but because Aboriginal people won’t be recognised in the constitution.

    It’ll be just awful to see all that.

  6. Confessions @ #8 Saturday, September 9th, 2023 – 6:30 am

    When the referendum is defeated what is going to be especially galling is watching all those who have campaigned viciously, divisively and dishonestly against the Voice to Parliament suddenly express regret. Not at their own actions, but because Aboriginal people won’t be recognised in the constitution.

    It’ll be just awful to see all that.

    Nah, they’ll disingenuously hold out the hope of a second referendum. Cynical, dirty politics. As only the Coalition know how.

  7. Peter Dutton might just be experiencing a form of wrecker’s remorse. How else can voters make sense of his campaign this week for a second referendum to recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders in the Constitution while he undermines the referendum to be held on October 14 to give them a Voice to parliament?

    Perhaps the opposition leader has allowed himself to think ahead to what the relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians might look like if the Voice fails. What happens when the first welcome to country is given at an event after the referendum? If Dutton is in the audience, will he feel the room divided by his presence? If he is at the podium, will he acknowledge Indigenous leaders past, present and emerging, as he did for the opening of the federal parliament last year?

    Or was he was just spooked this week by the “You’re the Voice” ad from The Uluru Dialogue, which has surprised the official Yes campaign and many in Anthony Albanese’s government for its clarity of passion, and generosity of spirit.

    Either way, the awkward attempt to deliver a positive message with a second referendum suggests Dutton understands that Australia will change in some fundamental way on October 15 if the vote is no.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/why-peter-dutton-might-have-wrecker-s-remorse-20230906-p5e2ij.html

  8. If Dutton captain’s pick Warren Mundine gets one the Liberal party senate spots , Dutton and his cronies will become a bigger joke than they already are

  9. Peter Dutton’s home affairs department was warned that immigration detention was “failing” by an independent review but options to reduce reliance on detention were “not progressed”.
    The report by the former secretary of the Attorney-General’s Department, Robert Cornall, found that visa cancellations sent “prison hardened detainees” into immigration detention and warned this may breach the Australian government’s duty of care to other detainees including asylum seekers.
    The report was completed in March 2020, while Dutton was still minister, and sent to the home affairs secretary, Michael Pezzullo, and Australian Border Force commissioner, Michael Outram, who both still serve in those roles.
    Refugee and asylum seeker advocates have seized on the report, obtained by Guardian Australia under freedom of information, as independent confirmation the government was aware of the harms of immigration detention.
    The report found that “the immigration detention system as a whole is failing” to meet two “key principles”: to resolve people’s immigration status as quickly as possible and manage them in the community unless they pose a risk to others.
    Cornall said the “generally accepted view is that long term immigration detention is damaging to the detainees’ mental health”, meaning that health services provided in detention “may be treating the symptom and not the cause”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/09/home-affairs-peter-dutton-warned-immigration-detention-duty-of-care

  10. An Atlanta-area special grand jury that spent months investigating alleged 2020 election interference in Georgia by Donald Trump and his allies agreed the former president should be indicted in the case and also recommended charging one of Trump’s closest associates, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), and 37 other people — a far larger group than a prosecutor ultimately charged.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/09/08/georgia-special-grand-jury-report-trump-fulton-county-lindsey-graham/

    #ETTD

    And Lindsey still says he supports Trump 100%!

  11. Morning all. Like others I’ll feel more than sad if Yes23 fails.

    I assume if elected to the Senate Warren Mundine will be happy with an annual salary of thirty pieces of silver.

  12. This was from late last night. Regardless of my reservations about AUKUS, if we are going to do it, it should be done properly. Until I see the ASC shipyard upgraded to a nuclear engineering standard, I’ll remain skeptical as to whether we ever build SSNs here.

    On AUKUS, this article details how efforts are proceeding to train up Australian sub maintenance workers in SSN maintenance.
    https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2023/09/07/allies-target-early-aukus-milestones-to-keep-20-year-plan-on-track/

    This is a necessary step to Australia being in a position to operate any SSN, hence I am pleased to see this progress.

    I am still opposed to AUKUS for the reasons I outlined recently, and particularly skeptical that Australia building UK designed SSNs will turn out to be Australian taxpayers bailing out the UK shipbuilding industry again. (As the Hunter program was revealed to be today).

    Nevertheless, whatever we end up doing, subs need maintenance and this training will be useful. USN training standards for sub maintenance and operations are excellent.

  13. Confessions,

    ‘Perhaps the opposition leader has allowed himself to think ahead to what the relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians might look like if the Voice fails. What happens when the first welcome to country is given at an event after the referendum? If Dutton is in the audience, will he feel the room divided by his presence? If he is at the podium, will he acknowledge Indigenous leaders past, present and emerging, as he did for the opening of the federal parliament last year?’

    It’s simple. Tell the indigenous leaders that no Australian has to be welcomed to their own country. Tell them that racism has no place in our Constitution. Tell them that he acknowledges ALL leaders in Australia regardless of race. Tell them that their is no hierarchy in regard to Australians. No one should feel like a secondary Australian.

    Easy.

  14. You know, HIS land, no race above another, so Whitefellas have as much right to it as those Blackfellas.

    What a sick, poisoned mind that man, Jeremy C.Browne, has.

    Has he been to Bunnings today to abuse a ‘girl’?

  15. C@t:

    Jeremy showed himself as a bully boy thug yesterday, happy to harangue retail workers for their choice of employer.

    For that he is blocked and won’t be engaged with further by me.

  16. The Melbourne mall ramming attack last night looks to have been the work of a single disturbed individual and was quickly dealt with by police. Good.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-08/car-crash-and-injuries-melbourne-cbd/102834612

    However I have to ask why was it still possible? After various terrorist ramming attacks in recent years many authorities have installed raisable bollards to protect pedestrian malls while still permitting entry of official vehicles, trams etc. They work very well and can stop an eight tonne truck at 80 km/hr. Why hasn’t this been done for Bourke Street mall?

  17. With now barely 50% of Australians of Anglo-celtic heritage, less if Irish catholics are excluded, surely the most divisive figure in Australia is King Charles. He is a head of state not representive of, nor wanted by, most Australians.

    Second on the list is probably Rupert Murdoch.

  18. Confessions @ #26 Saturday, September 9th, 2023 – 7:34 am

    C@t:

    Jeremy showed himself as a bully boy thug yesterday, happy to harangue retail workers for their choice of employer.

    For that he is blocked and won’t be engaged with further by me.

    I’ll block him after the referendum, if he chooses to show his Ugly Australian head around here again. Until then, it’s beneficial, I think, to keep a watching brief on him.

    Honestly, I would not be surprised if he does come back if his side is successful. He’ll see it as justification for his bigotry and use it to propel his zeal to the next election.

  19. Redbridge Poll on the Voice – looks terminal for the Yes case!
    The Farnham ad and the obvious support from the ABC and much of corporate Australia so far isn’t paying off for Yes.

  20. In a huge blow to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, a federal judge has denied his request to have his trial in the Georgia election racketeering case removed to federal court, reported POLITICO’s Kyle Cheney.
    “Having considered the arguments and evidence, the Court concludes that Meadows has not met his burden,” said a ruling issued in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia. “Therefore, the Court DECLINES to assume jurisdiction over the State’s criminal prosecution of Meadows.”
    The ruling ensures that Meadows will have his trial held in the same venue as former President Donald Trump and the rest of his co-defendants in the case, brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.

  21. Good morning Dawn Patrollers

    George Megalogenis wonders if Dutton might be experiencing wrecker’s remorse who says Dutton is operating in a political environment that rewards those who make the most noise. A no, if nothing else, would embolden a Dutton-led opposition to campaign against any social or economic reform the Albanese government might pursue in the remainder of this term, or at the next federal election.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/why-peter-dutton-might-have-wrecker-s-remorse-20230906-p5e2ij.html
    Former NSW Chief Justice, Spigelman, finds the legal scaremongering on the Voice offensive.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/as-a-former-chief-justice-i-find-legal-scaremongering-on-the-voice-offensive-20230906-p5e2f0.html
    Meanwhile, Dutton’s pledge to hold a second reconciliation referendum has been called into question after his Indigenous affairs frontbencher, Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, failed to declare support for the proposal.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/price-fails-to-back-dutton-s-plan-for-referendum-2-0-20230908-p5e33n.html
    A push to ditch a climate change policy is viewed as the latest attempt to damage David Littleproud’s leadership of the Nationals by inflaming the Coalition’s energy debate, writes Paul Sakkal.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/nuclear-shift-and-net-zero-feud-stir-nationals-leadership-tensions-20230908-p5e367.html
    Paul Bongiorno reckons the latest Newspoll suggests it is all taking its toll on the prime minister and his government.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2023/09/09/the-flailing-kangaroo
    “Philip Lowe says politicians fail Australians. How can anyone disagree?”, writes Michael Pascoe.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2023/09/09/michael-pascoe-philip-lowe-farewell/
    John Hewson says the word “woke” has taken on too much negative connotation in our political debate. It has become a derisive term to disparage and effectively dismiss virtually any position that doesn’t accord with the extreme conservative, hardline right agenda. I couldn’t agree more!
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2023/09/09/the-war-woke
    Paul Kelly pontificates that Anthony Albanese’s Indigenous voice to parliament is a gamble for the nation.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/anthony-albaneses-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-is-a-gamble-for-the-nation/news-story/f6444999e5efd8f3a5c63a1bc3e56540?amp
    The binary, stifling nature of the mainstream Voice Referendum discussion effectively provides an environment in which conspiracies get to flourish, writes Tom Tanuki.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/voice-referendum-debate-a-breeding-ground-for-conspiracy-theories,17883
    The leader of the Liberals for Yes organisation says party members have told her they are being threatened with losing preselection if they campaign in favour of voting ‘Yes’ at the referendum, reports Karen Middleton.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2023/09/09/liberal-yes-supporters-threatened-with-losing-preselection
    The vitriol that Janet Albrechtsen has been spewing is appalling. Here she says an indigenous Voice to parliament would be like the Pharmacy Guild on political steroids.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/on-the-voice-referendum-the-constitution-is-no-place-for-a-lobby-group/news-story/a8556cd477fea5740ed0b1ba357f72c0
    Peter van Onselen writes, “Demographic variables almost always play an important role from one election to the next. The growing divide between older and younger Australians may yet be the defining feature of the coming decades. It could also develop this way internationally, as ageing populations learn to grapple with policy implications of a shrinking working-age population. Western countries are particularly exposed on this front, but so is China.”
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/labor-walks-tightrope-in-new-age-of-politics/news-story/d8c1a50d5038c0293f7fcf0f1316358e?amp
    Laura Tingle tries to get the bottom of the Qatar issue and suggests that one of the central problems comes down to the slots at the congested Sydney airport.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-09/underlying-problem-qatar-decision-qantas-government-owned/102831416
    The Qantas saga shows Labor is crunched in a time shift – and there’s no more skating by on the vibe, says Katherine Murphy.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/08/the-qantas-saga-shows-labor-is-crunched-in-a-time-shift-and-theres-no-more-skating-by-on-the-vibe
    The Qantas Code of Conduct and Ethics is perhaps the most ignored and hypocritical document in corporate Australia. Michael Sainsbury checks out the myriad breaches.
    https://michaelwest.com.au/the-qantas-code-of-conduct-and-ethics-yes-its-real/
    Following the resignation of Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce, fresh details have emerged regarding his relationship with government, writes Rick Morton who reveals that, in late 2010, amid collapsing revenues and shrinking profits, Qantas’s then fledgling chief executive, Alan Joyce, asked the Gillard government to buy a stake in the airline.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/2023/09/09/exclusive-joyce-sought-sell-government-stake-qantas
    The title of Australia’s most unpopular man passed seamlessly in recent days from outgoing Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe to the outgone Qantas chief executive, writes Peter Hartcher who says, “The Spirit of Australia, by government decree, was profit maximisation. Joyce was acting within that spirit.” Hartcher then examines the issue of privatisation.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/joyce-did-what-s-expected-of-any-private-company-s-ceo-that-s-the-problem-20230908-p5e33m.html
    Anne Hyland looks at how Vanessa Hudson has spent her first few days as the new Qantas CEO.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/some-view-her-as-part-of-the-problem-how-can-vanessa-hudson-win-back-passengers-20230907-p5e2yz.html
    Greg Sheridan wonders if we can we still love a woke, insiders’ Qantas.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/can-we-still-love-a-woke-insiders-qantas/news-story/3b84ac56f67b4af0a751d5e5f19fede4?amp
    Who is Catherine King, the minister at the centre of the Qatar Airways saga? Angus Thompson provides the answers.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/who-is-catherine-king-the-minister-at-the-centre-of-the-qatar-airways-saga-20230908-p5e30z.html
    Amy Remeikis reviews the week in parliament where a rowdy protest and ‘aggressive’ MP behaviour preceded a blowing of the pressure cooker.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2023/sep/09/the-week-in-parliament-a-rowdy-protest-aggressive-mp-behaviour-and-then-the-pressure-cooker-blows
    Labor came to power calling for transparency and open government. Sixteen months later, it seems just as guilty of obfuscation and non-disclosure as its predecessor, complains Mike Seccombe.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2023/09/09/foi-and-government-transparency
    The way the federal Liberal Party would have you see it, the string of senior figures pulling the pin on their political careers mid-term or at the next election is merely a sign of healthy renewal. The more honest explanation is that the party is struggling to replace its tired, outgoing MPs with new, energetic talent at a time when a tired political body is in desperate need of fresh faces opines the SMH editorial with says Marise Payne was in the departure lounge for quite a long time.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/marise-payne-is-leaving-but-has-long-been-ensconced-in-the-political-departure-lounge-20230908-p5e32z.html
    Retail chains are preparing for a tough few months as cost-of-living pressures soar, dialling back orders for stock as consumer spending slows, explains Simon Evans in the AFR.
    https://www.afr.com/companies/retail/retailers-cut-stock-brace-for-weaker-christmas-20230908-p5e30s
    Peter Dutton’s home affairs department was warned that immigration detention was “failing” by an independent review but options to reduce reliance on detention were “not progressed”. Paul Karp tells us that the report by the former secretary of the Attorney-General’s Department, Robert Cornall, found that visa cancellations sent “prison hardened detainees” into immigration detention and warned this may breach the Australian government’s duty of care to other detainees including asylum seekers.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/09/home-affairs-peter-dutton-warned-immigration-detention-duty-of-care
    Matts O’Sullivan and Wade tell us that the Minns government will move quickly to revamp a state corporation that owns billions of dollars worth of the state’s rail assets after a warning it would be forced to inject more than $600 million to prop up the controversial entity.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-600m-warning-that-tipped-the-treasurer-s-hand-20230907-p5e2ub.html
    In the first of a two-part series for The Saturday Paper, one of the architects of US President Joe Biden’s signature climate legislation reflects on its success and failures a year on, and the lessons for Australia as it crafts its response.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2023/09/09/lessons-the-us-energy-transition
    Once upon a time, cartoonists presented as a cynical lot who preferred a clever and witty line at the bottom of a caricature drawing to, say, membership of the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge. Not any more, it seems. Not with respect to the cartoonists of the leftist kind, whines dear old Gerard.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/cartoon-capers-overlook-walkleys-philanthropy/news-story/05f037868ccadaf83a24f38c4be5f38b?amp
    Royal commissioner Peter McClellan hits back at Gerard Henderson’s recent columns accusing the commission of not including child sexual abuse cases in public schools. Cop that, Gerard!
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/commission-did-investigate-abuse-in-state-schools/news-story/c71cb17df3eb9cace6f0bab0b6b6e9a8?amp
    In this week’s media round-up, Amanda Meade writes about Annabel Crabb serving up withering response over Kitchen Cabinet critique.
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/sep/08/annabel-crabb-serves-up-withering-response-over-kitchen-cabinet-critique
    Boys in regional and disadvantaged parts of the country are joining the National Disability Insurance Scheme at up to three times the rate of their inner-city counterparts, reports Natassia Chrysanthos.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/stark-city-country-divide-in-ndis-participation-shows-scale-of-challenge-for-schools-20230523-p5dajp.html
    The police squad tasked with halting Sydney’s gang war has arrested nine people, including the sister of a high-profile Comanchero boss.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sister-of-high-profile-underworld-boss-arrested-as-anti-gang-squad-swoops-20230908-p5e331.html

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  22. How many Jeremy C Browne’s are out there in “a land of sweeping plains”, how many “love her jewel-sea” or recoil from “her terror” ?

    Probably enough to “frighten the horses” and enough to send the ” the galahs mocking” the reality of the unwary, heading in the wrong direction.

    Any change frightens, especially for a mob in search of new grass, not wanting to be “left out”, from the delight of the new “green” shoots.

    Nothing exemplfies “the Voice” as accurately as the sight of the “disgraced” ex-PM from the Shire, moping about parliament, moribund with digesting his self inflicted inglorious demise, proliferating advice to his own mob about China, the Voice and the Economy.

    The Voice debate has mirrored the “unsightly” underbelly of a greedy mob baying for more, without awareness or gratitude, and an unrepresentative media screeching for relevance and recognition.

    Dutton will never be PM and the majority of the crass LNP representatives, now occupying the opposition benches, will be long gone before they’re trusted with governance again.

    The Voice is an ugly spate, will be more than likely “uglier” in the bright light of the “morning after” and the “open wound” being paraded will become another ‘scar” to add to the many formed during the last 230 years.

    The “Jeremy C Browne’s, come and go and only leave a “mark” in a place where it needs to be cleaned.


  23. Confessionssays:
    Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:43 am
    Peter Dutton might just be experiencing a form of wrecker’s remorse. How else can voters make sense of his campaign this week for a second referendum to recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders in the Constitution while he undermines the referendum to be held on October 14 to give them a Voice to parliament?

    Perhaps the opposition leader has allowed himself to think ahead to what the relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians might look like if the Voice fails. What happens when the first welcome to country is given at an event after the referendum? If Dutton is in the audience, will he feel the room divided by his presence? If he is at the podium, will he acknowledge Indigenous leaders past, present and emerging, as he did for the opening of the federal parliament last year?

    Or was he was just spooked this week by the “You’re the Voice” ad from The Uluru Dialogue, which has surprised the official Yes campaign and many in Anthony Albanese’s government for its clarity of passion, and generosity of spirit.

    Either way, the awkward attempt to deliver a positive message with a second referendum suggests Dutton understands that Australia will change in some fundamental way on October 15 if the vote is no.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/why-peter-dutton-might-have-wrecker-s-remorse-20230906-p5e2ij.html

    I think the recent immigrants doesn’t care much about the result one way or the other. But for people who are born here and longtime immigrants it will be a bitter pill to swallow if it fails because
    1. Although Australians keep saying that they are liberal democracy, Australia has shown their true colours especially against most disadvantaged segment of Australian society.
    2. The FN people lives won’t change much.
    3. The reconciliation with Aboriginal people will be set back for more than a generation.

  24. Tell them that their is no hierarchy in regard to Australians. No one should feel like a secondary Australian.
    ——————————
    I thought you went bipolar there. But JMOFOC you think white fellas have become secondary Australians because of the welcome to country? Or something?

    Koozebane called and wants its weirdo muppet back.

    Welcome to Country is a generous and often quite beautiful gesture. It is a win win. All you have to do is listen….. And I am starting to see the theme. When just listening is too much to handle you probably need a hall of mirrors.

  25. Insiders Sunday, 10 Sep

    David Speers joins Fran Kelly, Niki Savva and John Kehoe to discuss fallout from the government’s decision to block more Qatar flights, the PM at ASEAN and the G20, the referendum, national accounts and culture in parliament.

    GUEST : Noel Pearson – Cape York Indigenous Leader and Yes Campaigner

  26. [‘A federal judge on Friday rejected former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows’ bid to move his Georgia criminal case to federal court, a significant setback for Meadows and a troubling sign for former President Donald Trump.

    US District Court Judge Steve Jones wrote in the decision that Meadows had not met even the “‘quite low’ threshold for removal” to federal court because his activities for the Trump campaign were outside the scope of his federal role as White House chief of staff.

    “The Court finds that the colour of the Office of the White House Chief of Staff did not include working with or working for the Trump campaign, except for simply coordinating the President’s schedule, traveling with the President to his campaign events, and redirecting communications to the campaign,” Jones wrote. “Thus, consistent with his testimony and the federal statutes and regulations, engaging in political activities is exceeds the outer limits of the Office of the White House Chief of Staff.”

    The ruling against Meadows has significant implications for the former president and his 18 co-defendants in the Fulton County district attorney’s sprawling racketeering case. Meadows was the first of five defendants who already filed motions to move the case to federal court – and Trump is expected to do so, too.’] – CNN

    A predictable decision. Meadows’ duties as Trump’s C of Staff did not give him licence to (among other things) put the heavies on Raffensperger to flip Georgia back to the GOP – this, a purely political act & almost certainly a criminal one. The US judiciary appears to be performing its duties without fear or favour, not wishing to be on the wrong side of history, apart from Judge Cannon, who’s still in awe of her benefactor.

  27. Thanks BK for the roundup. There are a lot of negative stories for Labor at the moment. Some are self inflicted, like Catherine King’s poor communication of a correct decision over Qatar airways and Qantas. Some are due to poor decisions, like accepting AUKUS as left by Morrison. Some are just bad luck and not its fault, like cost of living. Some are actually genuine progress, like in foreign policy, misrepresented by a partisan media.

    Of the things Labor has control over though, this is one of the greatest disappointments for me:
    “ Labor came to power calling for transparency and open government. Sixteen months later, it seems just as guilty of obfuscation and non-disclosure as its predecessor, complains Mike Seccombe.”
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2023/09/09/foi-and-government-transparency

    Defence is a particular star non-performer here, along with the failure to release Morrison era whistle blowers.

    Julian Hill, Deputy Chair of parliamentary accounts, asked some excellent questions of the Hunter Frigate program yesterday. Yet there was a conspicuous lack of answers. Departments like defence will simply use secrecy to hide their failings, and eventually Marles will carry the can for them. This must be fixed.

    If Marles can’t change this, he either needs to get new advisors or change jobs.

  28. The second referendum proposed by Dutton is a diversion, the aim being to pretend to be doing something about Reconciliation. That would be true even if the referendum were to actually be held. It will be some anodyne form of words that won’t upset the base (apart from hard-line racists) or scare the miners or agribusiness. It’s rather like Direct Inaction, or more lately “small modular reactors” to “address” climate change.

  29. Is it Peter Dutton’s fault that Albo played out such a woeful Voice Ref Stratergery?

    Albo made it easy for Dutton to run a no campaign. In April when it was full steam ahead there was this hope it would split the Libs – the reality the only LNP shadow cabinet resignation was Leeser.

    The yes campaign should have listened to Tom Calma.

    How you end up losing to Dutton on something like this is extraordinary.

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