Weekend miscellany: China polling, Voice polling and the future of Morrison (open thread)

Some recent attitudinal polling on various subjects, plus the latest speculation surrounding the likely next federal by-election.

Counting in Fadden ended last night with a 2.4% swing to the Liberal National Party, which you can read all about in the dedicated post and scrutinise in detail on the results page. Other items worth noting from the past week:

Matthew Knott of the Age/Herald reports that Scott Morrison had been expected to resign as early as this month, but that “some Liberal MPs” now thought he would remain longer “to avoid the perception he was being forced out by scandal”. Paul Karp of The Guardian reports the party’s state branch had opened preselection nominations for all sitting members’ seats, but had made an exception for Cook “due to the widespread belief that Morrison would retire mid-year if he found a private sector job”.

• The University of Technology Sydney’s Australia-China Relations Institute has published results from its annual survey on attitudes to Australia’s relationship with China, which among many other things found 49% rating Labor as the best party to handle policy on China compared with 29% for the Coalition, who in last year’s survey led by 36% to 35%. Thirty-nine per cent expressed satisfaction with Australia’s management of the relationship, up six, with 31% dissatisfied, down twelve. A question on whether Australia should “send troops” if China attacked Taiwan found 37% for and 35.5% against, narrowing from 39% to 34% last year. The survey was conducted in early April from a sample of 2000. A Lowy Institute survey recently covered similar ground.

• SECNewgate’s latest Mood of the Nation report, which focuses mostly in issue salience, has a question on the Indigenous Voice which finds support at 43%, down from 52% in April, and opposition at 34%, up from 26%, with 23% opting for neither, up from 21%. A forced response question on whether Australia is heading in the right direction broke 61-39 against, a sharp deterioration from 51-49 in April. Thirty-nine per cent rated the federal government’s performance as excellent, very good or good, down seven since April, compared with 60% for fair, poor or very poor. The poll was conducted June 23 to 28 from a sample of 2207.

• The regular Ipsos Issues Monitor issue salience poll, which asks respondents to name the three top issues facing Australia, found 68% including cost of living, having more than doubled since the end of 2022. Its nearest rival being housing on 39%, which began the year about ten points lower. The poll reaches 1000 respondents per month, the latest results combining polling from April, May and June.

The Australian reports C|T Group polling that finds 42% rating Anthony Albanese positively, 18% neutrally and 36% negatively; 30% rating Treasurer Jim Chalmers positively, 24% neutrally and 31% negatively; 23% rating Defence Minister Richard Marles positively, 27% neutrally and 26% negatively; and 31% rating Health Minister Mark Butler positively, 32% neutrally and 40% negatively. The polling was conducted May 29 and June 12 from a sample of 3000.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

271 comments on “Weekend miscellany: China polling, Voice polling and the future of Morrison (open thread)”

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  1. sprocket_says:
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 3:07 pm
    The USA might have a decrepit electoral system, be full of MAGA crazies, and a corrupt Supreme Court – but by Jingo they have the best military-industrial complex on the planet.

    Australia has and can continue to benefit from the USA relationship, as long as sound procurement choices are made..

    sprocket
    You have used too many words.
    Put simply, America has decrepit political system for a very long time brought down by one man, Donald Trump.
    He has shown it to the world how decrepit it was/ is.
    Till he came on to stage, American political leaders were sanctimonious and righteous about how exceptional USA was and justifying all their political actions and wars based on that.
    For example, they said although they have nuclear weapons others can’t have it. By chance if any American politician actions become too glaring they said it was one bad apple.
    Although MAGAs were hiding in plain sight, they called that free speech and Liberal democracy while fostering and supporting Autocrats and dictators across the world.
    They were fantastic at attracting brilliant minds from all over the world by slick marketing.

  2. Griff says:
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:37 pm
    Sir Henry Parkes says:
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:25 pm
    Yes, I know, America has been guilty in the past of interfering in Latin American countries and of follies such as the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
    We can, and did, call out Washington for that, but for now at least, America’s geopolitical interests are putting it on the just side of history and so should we be.

    __________________________

    Just asking how Australia called Washington out on the 2003 Iraq invasion? We were part of the “Coalition of the willing” with boots on the ground.
    ________________________________________________________
    That is true. However, the Labor opposition did not support our participation and many hundreds of thousands of ordinary Australians marched against our involvement. I think it is pretty widely accepted now that the whole adventure was a serious mistake.
    I suppose that when I say “we”, I mean the progressive left, rather than our government.

  3. Ven @ #201 Sunday, July 16th, 2023 – 3:51 pm

    ”They were fantastic at attracting brilliant minds from all over the world by slick marketing.

    I wouldn’t agree with that. It wasn’t a con, it was and still can be very fertile ground for great minds, scientific especially, and cultural/artistic to a lesser extent, and that would be literature, film making, and music, classic (declining pretty fast against the Europeans) and the never-ending flow of contemporary stuff. America was the soul of jazz, the big bands. It’s all part of the tragedy.

  4. This seems like a good place to insert a quote from”The Age of Empathy”, by Frans de Waal, a Netherlands primatologist at Emory University:

    Greed is out, empathy is in.
    The global financial crisis of 2008, together with the election of a new American president, has produced a seismic shift in society. Many have felt as if they were waking up from a bad dream about a big casino where the people’s money had been gambled away, enrich­ing a happy few without the slightest worry about the rest of us. This nightmare was set in motion a quarter century earlier by Reagan-Thatcher trickle-down economics and the soothing reassurance that markets are wonderful at self-regulation. No one believes this anymore, American politics seems poised for a new epoch that stresses со-operation and social responsibility. The emphasis is on what unites a society, what makes it worth living in, rather than what material wealth we can extract from it* Empathy is the grand theme of our time, as reflected in the speeches of Barack Obama, such as when he told graduates at Northwestern University, in Chicago: “I think we should talk more about our empathy deficit— It’s only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you will real­ize your true potential’

    That was published in 2009!

  5. Itza Dreamsays:
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:54 pm
    Sir Henry Parkes @ #151 Sunday, July 16th, 2023 – 1:25 pm

    Yes, I know, America has been guilty in the past of interfering in Latin American countries and of follies such as the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    You do Paul Wolfowitz proud, while forgetting to mention that naughty little Vietnam adventure.
    __________________________________________________________
    Looks like I’ve got my work cut out this afternoon.
    How do I do Paul Wolfowitz proud? I could have mentioned America’s disgraceful Vietnam policy, indeed I marched against it and our involvement in the 1970s, but I didn’t think it necessary.
    I would have thought I made it clear that I am not an apologist for American aggression, where it has occurred.
    My point is rather, that today we are facing a different world, where America’s adversaries are the ones threatening the independence of small countries and world peace. As I said, just as during World War II, America’s geopolitical interests today place it on the side of justice and against aggression.
    Where do you stand?

  6. I thought Philip Roth’s American Pastoral a brilliant peeling back of the onion layers, an eye watering (sic) look at the collapse of decency.

    Nano nap then out for drinks with the neighbours at the end of the road. Thanks for forbearance with getting all that off my chest.

  7. Griff @ #139 Sunday, July 16th, 2023 – 1:00 pm

    Andrew_Earlwood says:
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:50 pm
    Hey Griff, you up for a drink and pizza at the Opera Bar on Sunday the 30th?

    You to C@t, come along.

    Also: anyone else.

    Let me know y’all!

    ___________________

    Yep, I’m in. What time? 12pm like last time?

    Please count me in.

  8. Sir Henry Parkes @ #205 Sunday, July 16th, 2023 – 4:14 pm

    Itza Dreamsays:
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:54 pm
    Sir Henry Parkes @ #151 Sunday, July 16th, 2023 – 1:25 pm

    Yes, I know, America has been guilty in the past of interfering in Latin American countries and of follies such as the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    You do Paul Wolfowitz proud, while forgetting to mention that naughty little Vietnam adventure.
    __________________________________________________________
    Looks like I’ve got my work cut out this afternoon.
    How do I do Paul Wolfowitz proud? I could have mentioned America’s disgraceful Vietnam policy, indeed I marched against it and our involvement in the 1970s, but I didn’t think it necessary.
    I would have thought I made it clear that I am not an apologist for American aggression, where it has occurred.
    My point is rather, that today we are facing a different world, where America’s adversaries are the ones threatening the independence of small countries and world peace. As I said, just as during World War II, America’s geopolitical interests today place it on the side of justice and against aggression.
    Where do you stand?

    I took umbrage at the slightness of words like ‘interference’ and ‘follies’, weasel words from my perspective to cover gross aberrations of international behaviour. America has always and only been on the side of America, justice be damned. I was conscripted. I didn’t go. I marched against the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq.

    But must go. If I’ve been rude, I apologise. My collar got hot.

  9. 7.4 magnitude earthquake near Sand Point, Alaska, with a tsunami warning issued for South Alaska and the Alaska Peninsula.

  10. ElectionmapsUK: Nowcast Model +(15/07): LAB Majority of 194. Changes w/ GE2019.
    LAB: 422 (+220) – 45.6%
    CON: 142 (-223) – 27.3%
    LDM: 38 (+27) – 10.6%
    SNP: 24 (-24) – 3.3%
    PLC: 4 (=) – 0.5% GRN: 1 (=) – 5.3% RFM: 0 (=) – 6.0% Others: 0 (=) – 1.5%

  11. Sir Keir Starmer said “I hate tree huggers” in an outburst that shocked his shadow cabinet, it has been claimed.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-green-climate-change-starmer-miliband-b2372012.html

    I suspect Albanese thinks the same. He always offers the Coalition the first chance to negotiate on any bill, and only turns to the tree huggers when Lurch to the Right turns him down.

    For example, the NACC. He promised public hearings when in the public interest but ended up narrowing that to “exceptional circumstances”, despite the vast majority of Australians saying “that’s garbage”.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/12/most-australians-want-federal-anti-corruption-bodys-hearings-to-be-more-open-poll-suggests

  12. Hong Kong, a vestige of a shameful colonial past, but a democracy:

    “Although full universal suffrage was never granted by the British to its colony before the handover in 1997, some democratic reform began in 1984. Following the historic meeting in 1979 between Deng Xiaoping and then governor Murray MacLehose, a Green Paper: the Further Development of Representative Government in Hong Kong was issued by the colonial government in July 1984. It included proposals aimed at developing a system of more localised government, which included the introduction of indirect elections to the LegCo (Legislative Council) the following year.”

    The village idiot must be confused, or well the idiot.

  13. “Sir Keir Starmer ”

    Sir Keir is an absolute liar who has more in common with Boris than any Labour leader worthy of the office.

  14. While it is much too early to predict a surprise return of the tories, it is not to early to observe Starmer has all of Shorten’s weaknesses, with no apparent strengths other than ‘Boris was bad’, and even the very bad Australian Labor party shit lite strategy is to be slightly better than the alternative, where as Starmer is struggling to be slightly better than the previous alternatives.

  15. Starmer is just the kind of hate figure that progressive pseuds don’t get. He will be the next PM and will have a majority of well over 100. Compare and contrast the progressive pseuds’ lovebuddy Corbyn- a catastrophic failure.

  16. Shortcut teaching degrees are being offered to childcare workers so they can start teaching in preschools and primary schools within two years – and pocket a 66 per cent pay rise.
    The fast-tracked degrees – which halve the usual time taken to complete a standard four-year degree – are limited to experienced daycare staff who already hold diploma qualifications in early learning.
    As a fusion of university and vocational training, the “bespoke’’ education degree offered by the University of Wollongong provides a blueprint for tertiary education reform through the Albanese government’s universities accord.
    The initial findings of the accord – a once-in-a-generation review of tertiary education funding, quality and participation – are due to be revealed by federal Education Minister Jason Clare on Wednesday.
    Mr Clare is likely to focus on ways to make university more affordable and accessible to disadvantaged Australians, including those from poor families or living in remote regions.
    The accord panel, headed by scientist Professor Mary O’Kane, will have six more months to finalise its recommendations for broader reform, including better links between university and vocational training.

  17. I think too that some forget that AUKUS is not the only show in town. Australia is also heavily involved in The QUAD (Japan, India, US and Australia) as well as ASEAN. This suggests a quite broad engagement with our major regional neighbours on a variety of levels including defence, trade, health security, climate change, infrastructure, critical and emerging technology, cyber security, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, space, maritime security, countering disinformation, and counter-terrorism.

  18. “Starmer is just the kind of hate figure that progressive pseuds don’t get. He will be the next PM and will have a majority of well over 100. ”

    There might be a lesson here, despite its source, that completely self obsessed, constant lying psychopaths, do have a really really good record, and a record than many in the centre and centre left do not understand. Indeed I compared Starmer to Boris and that comparison itself leads to the potential of a massive win, after all Boris, like Trump had a massive win.

    Is Starmer like Boris and Trump, will his constant deception, betrayal of his own base and willingness to suck up to the powerful deliver the massive victory predicted by the village idiiot?

    Well it is possible, Trump surprised sane people, Boris surprised sane people, and they both had a very very loyal but absolutely feral and moronic support base, it must be possible for Starmer.

    Although to be a popular strong man, you need to be strong and popular, and while Starmer retains some MAGA like supporters he is neither strong, nor popular.

    Still not predicting a Tory win, but a Tory win will be a lot closer than a 100 seat Starmer landslide.

  19. 7.4 magnitude earthquake near Sand Point, Alaska, with a tsunami warning issued for South Alaska and the Alaska Peninsula.
    ——————————-
    There is a big mammalogical conference in Alaska atm. Might even be a session on wombats happening today.

    That volcano is looking grumpy.

  20. It won’t be long now until the climate can kickers and deniers start admitting they were wrong. Of course, it will be too late.

  21. Corbyn was a total catastrophe. A sad part of that catastrophe is that progressive pseuds seek the explanation for that catastrophe by deflecting to Starmer.

  22. For those wetting their pants about Australia ignoring our near neighbours, change those diapers!

    they are all coming here next year…

    Secretary-General of ASEAN Dr Kao Kim Hourn attended the ASEAN Post Ministerial Conference with Australia in Jakarta today. The meeting noted the developments under the ASEAN-Australia Dialogue Relations and discussed ways to take the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership forward. The meeting welcomed the 50thanniversary of ASEAN-Australia Dialogue Relations in 2024 and looked forward to the convening of the ASEAN-Australia Special Summit in Australia next year.
    ASEAN Post Ministerial Conference with Australia convenes today

    https://asean.org/asean-post-ministerial-conference-with-australia-discusses-progress-in-partnership/

  23. Rex Douglas
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:47 pm
    “It won’t be long now until the climate can kickers and deniers start admitting they were wrong”

    You don’t really think that.
    You are wishfully thinking that !
    Too late has already happened!

  24. WeWantPaul:

    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:09 pm

    [‘…where as Starmer is struggling to be slightly better than the previous alternatives.’]

    Yep! Not only that, he’s a lawyer & a knight of the realm. I’m not sure that any Labour leader has been thus endowed. A “Clement Attlee” he is not, who at least waited until he retired to be elevated to the peerage. Starmer’s uninspiring, only leading in the polls due to Boris’s bungles.


  25. sprocket_says:
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:57 pm
    ASEAN Summit in Sydney next year…

    Weird isn’t it? Probably ASEAN ministers want a foreign junket.

  26. “ Yep, I’m in. What time? 12pm like last time?
    Please count me in.”

    @yabba

    I plan on being there at 2pm; which gives us 3 hours of socialising before the sunset.

    I will also think of a wet weather alternative if needed as well. My wife is likely to come along as well.

    Hopefully more bludgers decide to join us as well.

    Cheers A

  27. ItzaDream @ #195 Sunday, July 16th, 2023 – 3:22 pm

    robbery under $1000 has been decriminalised so it’s walk into a store and demand 900 bucks and it’s yours. Hard to believe, but horse’s mouths.

    That one I don’t believe. I’ve seen some of the others.

    It seems like what actually happened is that theft of less than $1000 worth of goods was reclassified as a misdemeanor (as opposed to a felony). Still illegal. Can still get you arrested and thrown in jail.

    Not much different from other states that make a legal distinction between petty theft and grand theft.

  28. Mavis, you are also cordially invited to bludger drinks on the 30th, if you want to journey down from the coast

  29. Andrew_Earlwood:

    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 7:31 pm

    [‘Mavis, you are also cordially invited to bludger drinks on the 30th, if you want to journey down from the coast’]

    Thanks Andrew for the invitation but I would need support, the frame I’m currently using, not quite doing the job.

  30. Been There says:
    Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 7:43 pm
    Oh, come on Mavis.

    You’re not the only one feeling left out!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    But not a great offer as it appears Andrew_ has mandated cordial!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  31. I’ll go with you on that one on the pokies Rex!

    Doesn’t make us friends though!

    Definitely no holding hands!

  32. This week Andrews told Italian language media, Il Globo, that he was “absolutely” looking to win a fourth election in 2026.

    “I’ve got a lot to do, a lot to build, a lot to see through,” Andrews said.

    Senior figures within the government note that during policy discussions the premier looks at many issues with “an eye on 2026” when the next election is due.

    Andrews has been meeting with rookie MPs about their individual four-year plans.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-15/speculation-premier-daniel-andrews-leadership-rife/102603486

    Not the words the anti-Dan’s want to hear.

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