Miscellany: by-elections left and right (open thread)

As the major parties move forward with candidate selection for Fadden, state by-elections now loom in Victoria and Western Australia.

There are now three by-elections in the pipeline, one federal and two state:

• The Gold Coast Bulletin reports a Liberal National Party preselection vote for the July 25 Fadden by-election this weekend has attracted five candidates: the reputed front-runner, Cameron Caldwell; two widely noted rivals with strong support in Dinesh Palipana and Fran Ward; and apparent dark horses in Owen Caterer, who boasts “a long career in wealth management” including a decade working in China, and Craig Hobart. Labor is now committed to fielding a candidate, after earlier reports that Anthony Albanese would prefer to forfeit, with David Crowe of the Age/Herald reporting that the candidate from 2022, Letitia Del Fabbro, was “seen as the leading contender”.

• In Victoria, Liberal MP Ryan Smith announced his resignation on Wednesday, initiating a by-election in his eastern suburbs seat of Warrandyte, which he retained at the November election by 4.2% with a slight favourable swing. This has yielded the stimulating possibility of a return to politics for Tim Smith, who tested over double the legal blood alcohol limit in 2021 after crashing his car into the side of a house in Hawthorn, and abandoned his seat of Kew at the election. Smith had won favour with conservatives for the vehemence of his attacks on Daniel Andrews during the Melbourne lockdowns, and has presumably continued to do so as a regular on Sky News. His comments professing an interest in the seat were implicitly critical of party leader John Pesutto, who says he would “very much like to see a woman in amongst the candidates”. Between reports in The Age and The Guardian, five such are mentioned: Caroline Inge, one of the party’s federal vice-presidents and a “former staffer and political ally” of Smith; Sarah Overton, a director at KPMG; Michelle Kleinert, a Manningham councillor; Nicole Werner, a former Pentecostal pastor who ran at the election in Box Hill; and Ranjana Srivastava, an oncologist who was recently fortunate to be overlooked for the Aston preselection. The Guardian reports the by-election is “expected to be held between 5 August and 30 September”.

The West Australian reports three Labor preselection candidates have emerged as potential successors to Mark McGowan in his surely unloseable southern Perth seat of Rockingham. These are Matt Dixon, who was the party’s state secretary in 2018 and 2019, and has more recently been a staffer to Stephen Dawson, Emergency Services Minister and a prominent figure in the AMWU sub-faction of the Left; Clem Chan, state president of the United Professional Firefighters Union; and Magenta Marshall, a locally based party official. However, there is said to be concern that Dixon’s candidacy would be “a distraction” due to the circumstances of his departure as state secretary, which followed controversy over the use of funds raised by state parliamentarians on the 2019 federal campaign, and Marshall is quoted saying she is “not sure it’s my time”. Electoral commissioner Robert Kennedy tells The West Australian the by-election is likely to be in late June or July.

Also of note:

• Maria Kovacic, who stood aside as the party’s state president to contest the preselection, won a Liberal Party ballot on the weekend to fill the late Jim Molan’s New South Wales Senate vacancy. Kovacic prevailed in the final round over Andrew Constance, former state government minister and unsuccessful candidate for Gilmore at last year’s election, by 287 votes to 243. Kovacic’s win means a seat formerly held by a factional conservative now goes to a moderate. Constance, who is also a moderate, gained some support from conservatives by promising to abandon the seat at the next federal election for another run in Gilmore, which is still considered likely to do. Anthony Galloway of the Sydney Morning Herald reports the seat would likely have stayed with the right if Dallas McInerney, chief executive of Catholic Schools NSW, had nominated, but in the event the only right nominee was Jess Collins, who narrowly failed to make the final round. Earlier exclusions were Space Industry Association chief executive James Brown, former Lindsay MP Fiona Scott and Shepherd Centre executive David Brady.

• An analysis by former Labor Senator John Black of Australian Development Strategies in the Financial Review identifies Labor’s targets to regain lost primary votes as working families on $100,000 to $150,000 a year, “digitally disrupted families” on $50,000 to $100,000, parents with children at state schools, and Christians who have supported Labor only under the leadership of Kevin Rudd; and the Coalition’s as white migrants, defectors in the teal seats, professional women on more than $150,000 a year, and professionals and the 35-to-50 age cohort.

Rhianna Down of The Australian reports Anthony Albanese told colleagues on Tuesday that Labor’s target Liberal-held seats for the next election are Canning, Moore, Bass, Braddon, Banks, Menzies and Sturt, though presumably hopes for the first two have taken a knock with Mark McGowan’s resignation.

Charlotte Varcoe of Border Watch reports Liberal MP Tony Pasin won a preselection ballot for his South Australian seat of Barker with 284 votes against 58 for Katherine McBride, who owns grazing property with husband Nick McBride, the state member for MacKillop.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Sumeya’s ‘biography’ of Andrews is nothing short of a hit piece. Her right wing petticoat is on show for all to see. As you would expect, there is no great analysis on show within its pages.

  2. goll, there is always temptation. There is always bad advice. In this case, Ben Roberts-Smith had a mountain of individual agency and thus deserves no shifting of blame or focus.

  3. goll says:
    Friday, June 2, 2023 at 10:29 am

    BRS a soldier, a corporal, and impressively huge,
    _________
    Goll, if you are impressed by huge men, may I suggest a tour of Melbourne’s gyms. You will be in seventh heaven. Perhaps some will let you towel them down. Good luck.

  4. “Fair Work announces 5.75 per cent rise in award wages”

    So a real pay cut, trickle down functioning as intended.

  5. In case anyone was wondering the minimum wage will now be $859.32 a week or $22.61 per hour.

    This is less than the inflation rate so the 1/3 of workers who are affected by this decision will go backwards in real terms.
    However, at the same time it will add to the inflation rate because the new cost will be added into prices of goods and services. So they will go backwards further.

    Also it will mean that interest rates will go higher still.

  6. The war memorial should definitely leave Benny of Afghanistan’s uniform on display, it should include a clear description of the court’s finding, pictures of the victims and statements from the victims families.

    It would actually then be an exhibit a war memorial should have.

  7. after earlier reports that Anthony Albanese would prefer to forfeit, with David Crowe of the Age/Herald reporting that the candidate from 2022, Letitia Del Fabbro, was “seen as the leading contender”.

    Its been confirmed by Phil Coorey in the Australian Financial Review Labor have preselected Letitia Del Fabbro as their candidate for Fadden. From the sounds of it Labor are not setting the bar high for expectations for this seat and won’t be breaking the bank.

    “A Labor source said the party would define success by limiting Mr Dutton to a swing of less than 4 per cent towards the LNP, as that was the average swing against a government in a byelection.

    “That’s the benchmark for Dutton,” he said.

    The Liberals dismissed this. “Yeah, right,” said a source.

    With this week’s shock resignation of West Australian Labor Premier Mark McGowan rocking Labor’s chances of holding all its nine seats in WA at the 2025 election, Queensland becomes critically important if the Albanese government, which has 78 seats, is to avoid sliding into minority government.

    It will run a modest grassroots campaign in Fadden, avoiding expensive television ads, and testing the efficacy of messaging against Mr Dutton that helped Labor pull off the historic victory at the Aston byelection on April 1.”

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/libs-need-4pc-swing-labor-claims-as-byelection-sandbagging-begins-20230531-p5dcom

  8. At least while US President Joe Biden remains in the White House, arms are only going to flow to Ukraine of greater power, in greater numbers and at a faster rate:

    “Biden shows growing appetite to cross Putin’s red lines

    Despite warnings that arming Ukraine will start a world war, President Biden continues to push the Russian leader’s limits — a strategy that brings risk and reward”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/01/ukraine-f-16s-biden-russia-escalation/

    Putin may not see this equation and draw the logical conclusion to withdraw his troops from Ukraine, but others in the Russian political and military establishment almost certainly will.

  9. UK Cartoons:
    Peter Brookes on #RishiSunak #CovidInquiry

    Andy Davey on falling house prices

    Ben Jennings on #RishiSunak #BorisJohnson #CovidInquiry #BaronessHallett #WhatsAppMessages #CoverUp

    Dave Brown on #KeirStarmer #YvetteCooper #RishiSunak #SuellaBraverman #NigelFarage #Immigration #Migration #SmallBoats #Refugees

    Randy Bush on #Trump

    Morten Morland’s Spectator cartoon #RishiSunak

    Andy Davey: #KeirStarmer plans to give councils new powers to buy land cheaply and develop on it as part of a “pro-building” agenda. Will those whose party funds are in hock to developers be happy? #RishiSunak

    Dave Simonds on #RishiSunak #BorisJohnson #CovidInquiry #BaronessHallett #WhatsAppMessages #CoverUp

    Peter Brookes on #AI #TrainStrikes #ArtificialIntelligence #Strikes

    Ben Jennings on the many crises facing the UK

    Dave Brown on #RishiSunak #BorisJohnson #CabinetOffice #CovidInquiry #BaronessHallett #WhatsAppMessages #CoverUp

    Patrick Blower on #AI

    Dave Simonds on #TrainStrikes #Train

    Peter Brookes on #Putin #UkraineRussiaWar

    Ben Jennings: the washing away of Johnson’s Covid messages? #BorisJohnson #CovidInquiry

  10. I have posted this before but it might be of interest considering what’s in the news.

    Everyone in the army gets a nick name. Someone close to me did recruit training with BRS. His was 2 Dads because of his hyphenated name. His father was a high ranking officer at the time.

    A short while ago there was discussion about few non-caucasions being recruited. In this intake there was a a young Vietnamese lad and they nick named him Ozzie.

  11. BREAKING: Minimum wage to increase by 5.75% :The Fair Work Commission has ruled the minimum wage will increase by 5.75% from July 1. The Fair Work Commission has also decided that award rates of pay will be increased by 5.75 per cent, effective from July 1. The decision will affect about one quarter of all Australian employees.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/lowestpaid-australians-set-for-pay-rise-after-fair-work-commission-lifts-minimum-wage/news-story/9cb39019d75a3a8cab4a84e26bd0f0cd

  12. Yesterday saw the indexing of HECS and SFSS debts.

    Many people on the or below the median wage have seen their SFSS debt go up by many multitudes over the past 10 to 20 years. The repayment calculations and hierachy often see HECS debts serviced before SFSS debts, meaning they are often never paid and just accrue indexing year on year.

    To see the impact of the SFSS particularly head over to this FB group.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/226988876295990/

  13. BK @ #55 Friday, June 2nd, 2023 – 10:17 am

    The CEO of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Andrew McKellar, says they are disappointed by the decision from the Fair Work Commission to lift the minimum wage to 5.75%:

    The decision in the national wage review announced this morning from a business point of view, we are disappointed.

    We are concerned with the decision that the commission has brought down. A 5.75% plus increase in the Superannuation Guarantee, this will add significantly to costs for business.”
    _____________________
    Are they equally concerned about inflation when they have been putting their prices up?

    Ha!

    Of course it is not the cost to business they are concerned about. They are totally unconcerned about costs to business like perks, bonuses, massive pay increases etc when it is for their execs.
    A fixed, across the board increase in the minimum wage should not be of any concern to any business looking at reasonable profits and long term success (in fact – you could argue it benefits that). If you are worried about the next bonus cycle and how that will effect your short term level of luxury, maybe.

    The business sector is captured by a level of personal greed that goes way beyond what Smith and even Mandeville saw as necessary. The corporate world is becoming less the merchant and more the mugger.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/04/greed-is-good-a-300-year-history-of-a-dangerous-idea/360265/

  14. This comment really surprised me. I thought recognition of skills from Defence was meant to be a big attraction to get people in. Anyone know more? Tertiary level only only TAFE as well?

    Whilst I only served in the reserve I have many friends and family who served or went on operations in the past 20 or 30 years, some on multiple tours of Afghanistan. I recently ran a project aimed at ex-ADF getting recognition for prior learning of their training into university courses. As an example of why this project was so important to ADF members, a cousin of mine who was a nurse in the army, went on operations in Afghanistan, exited the ADF with zero “qualifications” and had to go back to uni to get the same degree she had in the army. This scheme has now been replicated across multiple universities.

  15. I was a bit disappointed in Jason Clare’s response and Labor’s position on how HECS repayments are structured. People are demonstrably going backwards, it was Labor in 2009 that unshackled Commonwealth Supported Payment places in universities through the demand driven changes they implemented, telling everyone go to uni it will personally make you better off.

    Yet median wage earners or below who went to uni are drowning in this debt that can be lifelong. There is also an inherent gender bias in the debt management due to women proportionally filling more part time or lower wage jobs, thereby taking longer to to pay off the debt, which is still indexing year on year.

    This statement is just gobsmacking from Catriona Jackson:

    Universities Australia, the peak body for the tertiary system, backed in Clare, with CEO Catriona Jackson saying that while she understood people’s concerns, “one thing students don’t need to worry about is a Hecs loan”.

    “While the size of the debt will get bigger today, it doesn’t mean you are paying more next week out of your tax or the week after or the week after … it’s that the term of the loan gets longer,” she told ABC radio on Thursday.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jun/01/jason-clare-says-going-to-university-makes-you-money-as-he-defends-7-indexation-rise-in-student-loans

  16. it’s that the term of the loan gets longer

    Until it gets so long that you die, and your children inherit the debt?

  17. laughtong @ #66 Friday, June 2nd, 2023 – 11:42 am

    This comment really surprised me. I thought recognition of skills from Defence was meant to be a big attraction to get people in. Anyone know more? Tertiary level only only TAFE as well?

    Whilst I only served in the reserve I have many friends and family who served or went on operations in the past 20 or 30 years, some on multiple tours of Afghanistan. I recently ran a project aimed at ex-ADF getting recognition for prior learning of their training into university courses. As an example of why this project was so important to ADF members, a cousin of mine who was a nurse in the army, went on operations in Afghanistan, exited the ADF with zero “qualifications” and had to go back to uni to get the same degree she had in the army. This scheme has now been replicated across multiple universities.

    Let me give you a very direct example that I ran up against when implementing this project.

    A medic in the army trains for about 18 months full time, that’s the equivalent of a 3 year degree as a paramedic. That person might serve 4 or 8 years and therefore has on job experience.

    They decide to transition from military to civilian life, often wanting a role in the same field, say as a paramedic or nurse. But the way uni courses and units are set up for Recognition of Prior Learning (RPL) or credit is that the the whole content of the unit needs to be a 1 for 1 conversion. The ADF courses dont translate to this 1- for 1 conversion, so the unis say there isnt equivalency. Or even more frustrating, they say they have a theory of practice that is a thread that moves all the way through their course, unit by unit, as a the ADF doesnt have the same theory of practice they cant get RPL.

    What most unis have done is provide ADF vets with a bonus to their entry scores into undergrad courses. But this misses the point that those vets probably already have the entry score required to get into the course, what they want is a faster transition into paid work.

  18. Thinking further about the BRS case. Even allowing for the imputations as exposed in the media, I suspect a significant proportion of Australians might’ve been willing to give BRS the benefit of doubt.

    By undertaking the defamation action, he subjected himself to overwhelming scrutiny and evidence that simply could not be overlooked by the majority. In so doing, he exposed not only his own actions but those of several others to greater public investigation and disclosure.

    The ramifications of this miscalculation are extraordinarily significant for individuals, the SAS and the Army, as they should be given the impact on those murdered and their families. I suspect the medium and long term consequences can barely be imagined at this early stage, not the least on public opinion, recruiting and morale.

  19. a r @ #68 Friday, June 2nd, 2023 – 11:45 am

    it’s that the term of the loan gets longer

    Until it gets so long that you die, and your children inherit the debt?

    It is the only form of $AU loan, that I have ever heard of, that has its principal indexed to inflation. The reason that so many baby boomers, like me, have been able to end up quite wealthy, is that the principal amount of housing and other property loans that we took out was not indexed, and so was massively diminished in its proportion to the property value. Thus inflation in the Fraser PM Howard Treasurer years rapidly reduced the real value of the principal that we owed.

    I have have taken out interest only loans several times since then. Paying off principal is a mug’s game when inflation is charging along.

  20. A US Marine Corps veteran who was arrested for allegedly plotting terror attacks had classified Defense Department materials on his hard drive. Jordan Duncan, 28, had the documentation on his computer when he was arrested in Idaho in October 2020, according to RawStory. The details of the materials have not yet been confirmed, but they were found along with documents detailing how to make bombs.
    Neither Duncan, a neo-Nazi, nor the Defense Department has provided any explanation as to how he obtained them. He served as a Russian linguist for the Marine Corps in electronic communications, though it is unclear if he passed on classified information to a foreign government.

  21. The actual ruling on the minimum wage is a little higher than being reported. It says:
    “The NMW order will contain:
    (a) A national minimum wage of $882.80 per week or $23.23 per hour”

    It had been $812.60. So that is $70.20 a week rise or $1.85 an hour.

    It is the other awards that have been increased by 5.75%.

  22. laughtong

    From my experience, the best ADF skills training transfer equates to TAFE level training rather than university. Thus electrical and mechanical trades might be accepted as equivalent but rarely if ever university qualifications. So medical training might expedite the acceptance process into university and possibly even gain minor credit but the majority of a university degree would still require completing.

    For this reason, those entering Defence without degrees would be entitled to significant financial assistance to complete degrees for the duration of the period they worked in the ADF. Despite the best efforts of many, recognition of prior learning never really achieved its intended goals for most ADF personnel.

  23. “They decide to transition from military to civilian life, often wanting a role in the same field, say as a paramedic or nurse. But the way uni courses and units are set up for Recognition of Prior Learning (RPL) or credit is that the the whole content of the unit needs to be a 1 for 1 conversion. The ADF courses dont translate to this 1- for 1 conversion, so the unis say there isnt equivalency. Or even more frustrating, they say they have a theory of practice that is a thread that moves all the way through their course, unit by unit, as a the ADF doesnt have the same theory of practice they cant get RPL.”

    This is interesting to know. Thanks.

    “Paying off principal is a mug’s game when inflation is charging along.”

    Yeah, except for that 2-3 years where your employer delays on your EBA such that your wage doesn’t move the nominal wage needle and goes backward quickly on the real wage gauge.

  24. Team Katichsays:
    Friday, June 2, 2023 at 10:35 am
    “goll, there is always temptation. There is always bad advice. In this case, Ben Roberts-Smith had a mountain of individual agency and thus deserves no shifting of blame or focus.”

    I can’t and won’t disagree with that.

  25. Sometimes when I wake in the night and can’t go back to sleep I turn on the radio and listen to the BBC World Service (as rebroadcast by ABC News Radio).

    They gave quite a lot of coverage to the BRS matter, interviewing a couple of their Australian based reporters for background.

    The Head of the SAS association (the hyphenated chap whose name escapes me) was interviewed. I wish I had a tape running. The BBC presenters take no prisoners. Is that an unfortunate metaphor?

    He was saying that the BRS matter was a civil case, nothing had been proved (!) and it should have been left to the criminal courts.Never mentioning of course that it was BRS who took the matter to court.

    BBC guy said basically a judge has decided this and you say nothing has been proved?

    Also we were told it was a dark day for veterans, many who would be struggling. And what do you so say the families of the Afghan men who were murdered? No real answer.

    You will likely never hear an ABC interviewer go hard like that.

  26. Cronus @ #73 Friday, June 2nd, 2023 – 12:11 pm

    laughtong

    From my experience, the best ADF skills training transfer equates to TAFE level training rather than university. Thus electrical and mechanical trades might be accepted as equivalent but rarely if ever university qualifications. So medical training might expedite the acceptance process into university and possibly even gain minor credit but the majority of a university degree would still require completing.

    For this reason, those entering Defence without degrees would be entitled to significant financial assistance to complete degrees for the duration of the period they worked in the ADF. Despite the best efforts of many, recognition of prior learning never really achieved its intended goals for most ADF personnel.

    The win we did get on the ADF RPL project was for leadership skills gained through promotion. Our business courses provided by far the most RPL after the project, a general Bach of business admin has upwards of 50% credit available for senior non-coms.

  27. I hear Labor aims to take 2-3 seats off the LNP in QLD, considering last election was a low point since 1996.

    @Daniel T

    It was in the sense of seat tally. But Labor were able to win two senate seats that they weren’t able to do in 2019. They also were able to make inroads into some of the LNP Queensland seats margins including the outer suburbs of Brisbane and Queensland’s inner regions. So the 2022 result for Labor in Queensland wasn’t a complete write off.

  28. whiy dont labor won senater murray watt in a lower house qld seat he is one of there most talinted members but is stuck in the senate while those two members that have served for a long time continue in blaire and mortin yes they may have kept there seats during 2013 but if qld labor had stronger lower house mps they may not do so bad in qld labbor struggles federaly but pperforms well in state qld

  29. Culture

    A factor of human integrity and discipline

    Whilst the military and PwC are in focus they are only the tip of the iceberg

    The demographic within our society which subscribe to “one man’s pay rise is another man’s job” are alive and well, and not only in the military and PwC

    Those who believe their importance places them above the laws of the land as they apply to you and me

    Ego driven individuals living in their own stratosphere but unfortunately impacting on all

    They are there across commerce and industry

    These types have no self effacing ability

    Simply they are so far up themselves it does not register

    And now some more are being caught out – these leaders of “culture”

    The shame is also for those with principles and with integrity- because they exist also

    The fix is to question and not to rely on those presenting as “experts”

    Questioning minds

    That is why we educate

  30. Why don’t the military courses match up with the Australian Qualification Framework and Australian Skills Quality Authority classifications?

  31. I was a bit disappointed in Jason Clare’s response and Labor’s position on how HECS repayments are structured. People are demonstrably going backwards

    But the Albanese Government is a centre-left government according to some Labor supporters who see politics as a team sport.

    Not only does this government fail to do the right thing – wipe HELP debts and abolish student fees – they won’t even do the bare minimum of freezing HELP debts in nominal terms.

  32. Dandy Murray @ #75 Friday, June 2nd, 2023 – 12:12 pm

    “Paying off principal is a mug’s game when inflation is charging along.”

    Yeah, except for that 2-3 years where your employer delays on your EBA such that your wage doesn’t move the nominal wage needle and goes backward quickly on the real wage gauge.

    That only makes it more of a mug’s game. Paying higher repayments early in a loan term is when you feel the most pain. An interest only, ‘equity credit’ loan means lower repayments, and principal repaid when you feel like it, in dollars with much reduced real value, plus the ability to re-borrow on the same loan to finance something else. Inflation works strongly in your favour. I am living proof of that.

  33. nathsays:
    Friday, June 2, 2023 at 10:37 am
    goll says:
    Friday, June 2, 2023 at 10:29 am

    BRS a soldier, a corporal, and impressively huge,
    _________
    “Goll, if you are impressed by huge men, may I suggest a tour of Melbourne’s gyms. You will be in seventh heaven. Perhaps some will let you towel them down. Good luck.”

    Your comment Nath is rather like your pathetic kicks from the back pocket.
    All spin with no idea as to the destination of the ball.

    Your old coach correctly identified your duplicity and the mendacious interpretation of your own ability.
    Your familiarity with Melbourne’s gyms is telling. The Gym Wanderer is Nath.
    Good luck to you.

  34. bob @ #82 Friday, June 2nd, 2023 – 12:23 pm

    Why don’t the military courses match up with the Australian Qualification Framework and Australian Skills Quality Authority classifications?

    They do, the ADF is a recognised VET provider. Most courses come in at AQF 4-6 (Cert 4, diploma, advanced diploma). But there are some that are obviously higher, officer training comes in at AQF 7 (a bachelors degree).

    But you can take a Cert 4, diploma, advanced diploma from TAFE and usually get credit for a few units in a Bach degree. The ADF courses weren’t getting this recognition, one issue that they hadnt been willing to release their training documentation. A big part of the project was the stakeholder management conducted by one of our project partners to get those courses documents released.

  35. Mostly Interested says:
    Friday, June 2, 2023 at 12:14 pm
    Cronus @ #73 Friday, June 2nd, 2023 – 12:11 pm

    laughtong

    From my experience, the best ADF skills training transfer equates to TAFE level training rather than university. Thus electrical and mechanical trades might be accepted as equivalent but rarely if ever university qualifications. So medical training might expedite the acceptance process into university and possibly even gain minor credit but the majority of a university degree would still require completing.

    For this reason, those entering Defence without degrees would be entitled to significant financial assistance to complete degrees for the duration of the period they worked in the ADF. Despite the best efforts of many, recognition of prior learning never really achieved its intended goals for most ADF personnel.
    The win we did get on the ADF RPL project was for leadership skills gained through promotion. Our business courses provided by far the most RPL after the project, a general Bach of business admin has upwards of 50% credit available for senior non-coms.
    —————————————————-

    Mostly Interested

    Thanks, and I think that is a good win. Back in the day (last century) that degree or similar was only available to officers of the rank of senior captain or above.

  36. Cronus:

    Historically on the battlefield, lower ranks, namely Privates and Corporals, comprise the majority of combatants, do most of the fighting and are at greater physical risk. The corollary being that they are more likely to be involved in acts of individual heroism.

    Service-dependent, of course. No doubt you have heard the pithy advice along the lines that: In the army, the officers send the enlisted ranks out to be shot at; in the navy, the officers and enlisted all get into a ship and are shot at together; and in the air force, the enlisted ranks stay back at the base and send the officers out in aircraft to be shot at!

  37. A helpful wage rise for low paid workers.

    But nothing for the forgotten Australians living in poverty and left behind by Albanese.

    The right wingers here will no doubt trot out the usual ‘get a job’ sneer at them.

  38. Mostly Interested:

    I was a bit disappointed in Jason Clare’s response and Labor’s position on how HECS repayments are structured. People are demonstrably going backwards, it was Labor in 2009 that unshackled Commonwealth Supported Payment places in universities through the demand driven changes they implemented, telling everyone go to uni it will personally make you better off.

    Yet median wage earners or below who went to uni are drowning in this debt that can be lifelong. There is also an inherent gender bias in the debt management due to women proportionally filling more part time or lower wage jobs, thereby taking longer to to pay off the debt, which is still indexing year on year.

    I agree.

  39. Asha @ #91 Friday, June 2nd, 2023 – 12:40 pm

    Mostly Interested:

    I was a bit disappointed in Jason Clare’s response and Labor’s position on how HECS repayments are structured. People are demonstrably going backwards, it was Labor in 2009 that unshackled Commonwealth Supported Payment places in universities through the demand driven changes they implemented, telling everyone go to uni it will personally make you better off.

    Yet median wage earners or below who went to uni are drowning in this debt that can be lifelong. There is also an inherent gender bias in the debt management due to women proportionally filling more part time or lower wage jobs, thereby taking longer to to pay off the debt, which is still indexing year on year.

    I agree.

    Scrap S3 and scrap HECS debts and make Uni free.

  40. Here we go again says:
    Friday, June 2, 2023 at 12:20 pm
    Culture

    A factor of human integrity and discipline

    Whilst the military and PwC are in focus they are only the tip of the iceberg
    ———————————————————————-

    Agreed. I worked at senior levels in an emergency service for some years after an Army career and experienced the same institutionalised culture and my dealings with police forces suggested the same.

    Notwithstanding this, I also worked in a GOE for some years and a Federal Government department for a year and they too shared significant cultural issues that overlooked bulling, extolled the highly driven and bent rules to suit.

    This is because despite the platitudes, work culture too often values mission completion and cost over people and values.

  41. Thanks for all the responses to the defence RPL query.
    Very interesting and much more complex than at first sight.

  42. But the Albanese Government is a centre-left government according to some Labor supporters who see politics as a team sport.

    Not only does this government fail to do the right thing – wipe HELP debts and abolish student fees – they won’t even do the bare minimum of freezing HELP debts in nominal terms.

    @Nicholas

    Labor did introduce HECS. From what I understand it was introduced because while Whitlam government made university free. The option of going university wasn’t completely being taken up by the working class at the time. The reason being finishing high school still wasn’t a regular practice. That all changed in the eighties where finishing high school was growing rapidly as a common practice. That had a roll on effect with the amount of university applications was sky rocketing out of the roof. And the system wasn’t sustainable. To avoid making university go the way of America’s system of up front costs. The Hawke government decided the best course of action was introducing HEC’s fees.

    If Labor wiped HEC’s fees like the Greens suggest. Does that also apply to future students that don’t have to pay HECS’s? It’s too easy to just play the Labor’s neo-Liberal card when there were reasons behind HEC’s being introduced in the first place.

  43. a r says:
    Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:45 am

    it’s that the term of the loan gets longer

    Until it gets so long that you die, and your children inherit the debt?
    __________
    HECS debts are not inheritable. They are not even deducted from your estate upon death. It’s the best loan you could ever get. Never worry about a HECS debt.

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