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End of evening update (WB)
My results system will continue ticking over through late counting, but until I iron out a few bugs that seem to be having the effect of overrating Greens and independents’ chances in tight races, I recommend favouring the ABC’s projections over mine to the extent of inconsistencies. So while the Greens have easily won Richmond, it seems unlikely they will add further to their existing three seats; and it is unclear that any independents will win, with incumbents losing to the Nationals in Mildura and Shepparton, teals being only possibilities in Hawthorn and Mornington, and a number of hyped independent challengers in Labor seats having made only the faintest of impressions.
I haven’t had time to look at the Legislative Council at all, but the preliminary projections of the ABC suggest the Greens are returning as a force in the chamber, up from one seat to four, with Labor on 15 and having myriad possibilities of assembling the required 21 votes out of 40 from another sprawling cross-bench.
Live Commentary
11:32pm There’s a lot of counting to go in the upper house, but the current results look promising for a progressive upper house. It’s 15 Labor out of 40, 15 Coalition, four Greens, two Legalise Cannabis, one Animal Justice, one Fiona Patten, one Shooter and one One Nation. If this holds up (I’m not confident given group voting tickets), then the left side will have 23 of the 40 upper house seats and the right 17. And with that, it’s time for bed for me. William Bowe will resume coverage of the Victorian election.
11:16pm I’ve done a short article for The Conversation on the results so far. The Coalition would have been thrashed given the 54.3-45.7 current statewide numbers, but furthermore they’ve lost seats in net terms to Labor, rather than gaining. The swing to the Coalition was inefficiently distributed, being wasted on safe Labor seats, while some swings to Labor were on Coalition marginal seats.
9:53pm The ABC has Labor losing Morwell and Nepean to the Coalition, but gaining Bayswater, Glen Waverley, Hastings and Polwarth. If that holds, Labor would be up two in Labor vs Coalition seats.
9:40pm Labor has clearly won a majority, but I’m not sure yet how large the Greens surge will be. Early votes are now being reported in some seats, and look better for Labor in swing terms than Election Day votes.
9:13pm Greens leading in seven seats now, but in Albert Park they’ve fallen behind the Libs on primary vote, and this will be a Labor vs Lib contest with Labor winning. Greens gains have been called in Northcote, Richmond and Footscray, while Preston is close between Labor and the Greens with Labor just ahead.
8:31pm There are two Lib-held seats where Labor is currently leading: Bayswater and Glen Waverley.
8:28pm While the Greens are currently winning Albert Park, the final primary vote projections show the Libs getting into second, in which case it’ll be Labor vs Lib with Labor winning.
8:22pm With 33% counted in Hawthorn, teal ind Lowe is leading the Libs by 52.3-47.7 on projected 2CP. She has climbed into second ahead of Labor and projections suggest she’ll stay second.
7:58pm Greens now winning EIGHT lower house seats. But with 9.3% counted statewide, swing against Labor down to 3.1% two party, and they’re winning this count by 54.5-45.5 — exactly what Newspoll said.
7:52pm Daniel Andrews will easily win Mulgrave. The Libs have made their first gain from Labor in Nepean, with a 6.3% swing.
7:45pm Some bug in the PB results now, but before they went offline the Greens were winning SEVEN lower house seats, which would be a great result for them and up from their current three.
7:35pm With 4.1% statewide counted, two party swing against Labor drops to 3.8%, and they’re now up 53.8-46.2 statewide. They’re leading or have won 47 lower house seats, enough for a majority. The Coalition is leading in 24 seats and the Greens in five.
7:29pm Now down to a 9.6% swing to the Libs in Yan Yean, with Labor winning by 57.6-42.4 with 6.3% in.
7:28pm With 5.5% counted in Yan Yean, there’s a massive 14.5% swing to the Libs, with Labor still winning by 52.7-47.3.
7:24pm With 2.7% counted, overall swing against Labor reduces to 5.2%, and they lead by 52.3-47.7.
7:16pm Overall swing against Labor increases to 7.3% two party with 2.0% counted. Only ahead by 50.2-49.8 now, which would see them lose their lower house majority.
7:08pm Teal Independent Melissa Lowe currently winning Hawthorn 54-46 over Libs. Problem is she’s currently third behind the Libs and Labor.
7:06pm Back to a projected lead of 51.9-48.1 to the Greens in Footscray with 1.8% in.
7:04pm First booth in Footscray is a strong swing to the Greens, who would gain this seat from Labor if that holds up.
6:59pm PB results now projecting a 5.0% overall two party swing against Labor, though that would still be a 52.6-47.4 win for Labor; this might not be enough for a majority.
6:44pm With 1.5% counted in Euroa, the PB projected swing so far is 1.7% to Labor. It’s a safe Nat seat, but not a good early sign for the Coalition
Guest post by Adrian Beaumont, who joins us from time to time to provide commentary on elections internationally. Adrian is a paid election analyst for The Conversation. His work for The Conversation can be found here, and his own website is here.
William Bowe is working for Channel Nine, and has asked me to provide live commentary on the Victorian election. Once a result for the lower house is clear, I will need to write an article for The Conversation. The rest of this intro post is from my article for The Conversation on the large final Newspoll lead for Labor.
There are 88 single-member lower house seats with members elected by preferential voting, and 40 upper house seats in eight five-member electorates. The election in the lower house seat of Narracan has been postponed owing to a candidate’s death.
As at Friday, ABC election analyst Antony Green said 43.4% of all Victorian enrolled voters had voted early in-person, and a further 13.3% had applied for a postal vote. With a likely final turnout of around 90%, that means over 63% have already voted. Early voting has increased since 2018.
The early voting will slow election night counts as early vote centres will likely take until late at night to report their counts. The Poll Bludger said Friday that some postal votes will also be counted on election night. Counting could also be slow owing to the large numbers of candidates.
In the upper house, with eight five-member electorates, a quota is one-sixth of the vote, or 16.7%. It’s probably not safe to call for anyone not elected on quota on election night as small changes in vote share can give a different result under group voting tickets (GVT).
The ABC will have projections of upper house results using its calculator. But this calculator assumes that all votes are above the line ticket votes. If a party that needs help from other parties’ GVTs is beating a bigger party by a narrow margin, that lead would likely disappear once below the line votes are factored in.
Introductory note by William Bowe.
The VEC is conducting non-standard two-party preferred counts in the following seats: Labor versus Greens in Albert Park, Bruswick, Footscray, Melbourne, Northcote, Pascoe Vale, Preston and Richmond; Liberal versus independent in Benambra, Brighton, Hawthorn, Kew, Mornington and Shepparton; Labor versus independent in Melton, Point Cook and Werribee; independent versus Nationals in Mildura; Greens versus Liberal in Prahran.
At first, the projections in the live results will assume the VEC has picked the two candidates correctly. As it becomes apparent in which seats it has not done so, which these days is just about inevitable in at least some cases, I will have to make a manual adjustment so that preference estimates are used to calculate a two-candidate preferred result (such estimates are also used until a respectable amount of the two-candidate preferred votes are reported). To illustrate this point: until I make such an adjustment, the system will give Labor no chance of retaining Hawthorn, since the count there is between the Liberal and an independent.
The results maps that can be accessed by clicking the button at the bottom of each electorate page indicate the locations of polling booths with white dots when no results are in; colour-coded dots when primary vote results only are available; and, when the booth’s two-candidate result has been reported, colour-coded numbers showing the percentage result for the party that won the booth.
Boerwar says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 6:08 pm
BSF
Mistreatment of women was institutional, religious and personal under Morrison. IMO this was a tremendous motivator for the Teals. The Albanese Government, without either the Teals or the Greens, is the complete reverse.
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I do agree that the atmospherics at the 2022 federal election were ripe for both the Greens and Teals. Morrison successfully energised every possible opponent. It’ll be interesting therefore to see whether or not this continues with Albanese in charge in 2025.
No doubt left field issues will have appeared but the personality and to a lesser degree the issues that caused this years ructions are different. Labor’s position on so many issues differ only by degrees with the Greens so these will be somewhat defused. And Albanese himself will not be the issue.
Arky says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:39 pm
The Greens have been following the Nationals strategy post Bob Brown, concentrating their vote in a specific area (in their case, predominantly Labor held inner city lower house seats) at the expense of growing their broader appeal and potential upper house vote. Talking about how the Nationals only have 3 or 4% of the vote or whatever ignores that they simply don’t run in most seats due to the Coalition agreement. It would be like saying an independent doesn’t deserve to win because they have only 0.2% of the statewide vote!
Both of them are effective. The Nats inevitably extract concessions from Liberal governments while the Greens are often in a balance of power situation in at least the upper house for a Labor government) and even occasionally do deals with a Liberal government…
The Nats have been more effective Federally for a generation because their Coalition partners have. Let’s check in after 2 terms of Albo to see whether the Nats or the Greens have done better from it…
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Roger that
I agree that the Greens are blowing it, especially in Footscray this election. Just because they’ve performed well in the inner city, doesn’t mean they should be concentrating all their efforts there and not putting any time and money into actually running campaigns in outer suburban areas. If they want to grow their presence in parliament they are going to have to actually make their case to the suburban populace. It’s a case that they are willing to hear, but no-one is talking to them.
What’s not discussed here is that younger people are more likely to vote Labor and/or Green and they aren’t moving out of home until later in life now. If they’re enrolled in uni or working part-time they commute. Im sure there were more volunteers they could have utilised in Footscray and possibly picked up another seat, but they couldn’t be bothered. They’re losing the ground game on a local level.
Take climate change. The Nationals have been instrumental in blocking climate change action for 3 decades. The Greens have done fa for climate action for 3 decades.
Cronus & Upnorth, I occasionally think you’re both too amenable.
Blanket Criticism says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:14 pm
“Labor constantly wins seats with the help of Greens preferences and it’s viewed as legitimate win by the commentariat here, but when the Greens win with the help of Liberal preferences it’s an illegitimate win. You all know how our system works, grow up.”
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I rarely enter into the Labor-Greens wars. Your comment is fair enough but they are not equal comparisons imo. Labor and the Greens are progressives whereas obviously the Libs are strongly conservative. It makes sense for Labor and the Greens to preference one another, it makes no sense for the Libs (who actually hate the Greens and vice versa) to preference the Greens, particularly given the Libs normally preference Labor. This suggests to me sheer frustration on the part of the Vic Libs.
@Cronus
You’re acting like the Greens had something to do with the liberals decision to preference them. I don’t think that’s the case. Each party determines their own preferences. You should just be laughing at the liberals dumb decision making. If you’re enemy wants to help you, you’d be a fool not to let them.
Take labour share of the economy. The Nationals have been instrumental in depressing real wages The Greens? zero impact.
And so on and so forth.
Take extinctions. The Nationals have been instrumental in accelerating the extinction rate.
The Greens?
Something I haven’t seen spoken about is the sheer number of retiring and de-selection of sitting Labor MP’s this election.
I’m honestly surprised that Labor managed to hold the seats it has, and that the electorate for the most part has approved of the purge of the corrupt Adem Somyurek’s faction after his expulsion from Labor.
Hoping that their replacements are good and honest politicians and that they have long careers if so. Victorian Labor in the next term can claim the advantage of having a big new wave of fresh young MP’s with hopefully most of their political careers ahead of them.
Blanket Criticism @ #1210 Sunday, November 27th, 2022 – 9:02 pm
Blanket criticism,
Do you know how preference deals work?
The two parties to the deal have to agree to it. Party A says to Party B, ‘We are going to preference you above the ALP.’ Party A either agrees or disagrees with that scenario. At that stage of the preference negotiation Party A can say they’re not interested in being a party to that preference deal, so party B has to go away and find someone else to put above Labor. So, essentially what has occurred is that The Greens agreed to the Liberals’ ‘Put Labor Last’ tactic. That’s all on them.
There were other parties standing in the Upper House who wouldn’t agree to do that but The Greens crave the Balance of Power in the Upper House, so they did the deal with the Liberals. So they’re just another political party at the end of the day, lacking principle as much as all the rest.
I have no issues with the Greens winning seats off Lib preferences, just don’t try to confuzzle gains on Lib preferencing changes with gains in actual Greens support.
I also note the Greens have tried to shit on Labor in the past for winning seats vs Greens on right wing preferences (Adam Bandt had a particularly bad case of this when Labor unexpectedly retained the state seat of Melbourne after Bronwyn Pike retired) so no holier than thou on this thanks.
Blanket Criticism says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:02 pm
@Cronus
You’re acting like the Greens had something to do with the liberals decision to preference them. I don’t think that’s the case. Each party determines their own preferences. You should just be laughing at the liberals dumb decision making. If you’re enemy wants to help you, you’d be a fool not to let them.
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And indeed I did laugh uproariously at the Libs preferencing the Greens, simply absurd and with the appropriate result. It is however at the very least ironic. As I say, I don’t enter into the wars because I think far more is made of them than the reality of any genuine impact. Only Bludgers care about the finer details, most folk don’t give the nuances a second thought. I do however think I recall party’s rejecting preferences in the past.
Blanket Criticism @ #1191 Sunday, November 27th, 2022 – 8:14 pm
Um, you do realise what you’re saying there? If not, let me explain it to you …
1. Labor are okay accepting Greens preferences because they are both parties of the Left.
2. You think that’s the same as The Greens choosing to accept preferences from a party of the Right and religious conservatives.
3. It’s not.
You’re welcome. 🙂
Mavis says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:58 pm
Cronus & Upnorth, I occasionally think you’re both too amenable.
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That’s not what Mrs Upnorth says when she wants to go clothes shopping!
I may have a few rumbles with our Green friends but in the long term stable progressive Government may require them from time to time.
However if it got to formal Coalition arrangements it would seriously harm the ALP.
The Greens have an unfortunate image among the vast majority of voters and they need to do more to be constructive rather than destructive of progressive policies.
I can’t think of one thing positive that The Greens have done for Australia. My “Team” however has many.
But the future is as the future is. We can’t know, only form a vision of the future with what has occurred in the past.
WeWantPaul says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:22 pm
From afar Victoria looks pretty broken
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Stopped reading after that.
@c@t: I don’t recall there being a preference deal between the Greens and Liberals at this election. The Liberals simply chose to preference the Greens ahead of Labor with no quid pro quo because they wanted to damage Labor’s chance of a majority government. The Greens still preferenced Labor ahead of the Liberals.
There is no “choosing to accept” preferences any more than Labor had to choose to accept the Libs preferencing them ahead of the Greens at most elections the past two decades.
Some silly things being said in this thread.
The point is that the Nationals have been by far and away the most successful minor party since WW2.
C@tmommasays:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:15 pm
Blanket criticism,
Do you know how preference deals work?
Blanket Criticism did not say anything about a ‘deal’. The Liberals made an arbitrary decision. Just like Labor does. Just like all parties do. Sometimes that is because of a deal. Sometimes it is because, well, who else I am going to preference. Sometimes it’s just cause they think there is a strategic advantage to preference one over the other (which the Liberals clearly thought was the case here. Wrong).
The Greens preferenced Labor and helped Labor be successful in plenty of seats. If there really was a deal between Libs and Greens then that would not have happened.
Stop creating strawmen to try to beat it down. It does real ALP supporters a great disservice and is a turnoff.
@C@tmomma
Let’s say you’re right. I think rejecting the preference would have been both very principled and incredibly stupid given the circumstances. Again if you’re enemy wants to help you it’s stupid to reject it.
Mavis says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:58 pm
Cronus & Upnorth, I occasionally think you’re both too amenable.
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Kind of you to say Mavis. In my own case I learned long ago not to take myself too seriously and realised as well that I only ever knew part of any picture or issue which is why I value the opinions and subject matter expertise of many Bludgers (such as yourself) as they add to my knowledge and often give me cause to reflect further on issues.
Kirsdarke says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 7:27 pm
Well, regardless of what went on in the Cain-Kirner years, I still make it a point to stop by second hand book stores from time to time to see if I can find any copies of biographies/memoirs of Victorian politicians from those years to get informed about them. Haven’t had any luck so far.
Also no luck at my local library either.
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You might want to try the New International Bookshop at Trades Hall in Carlton. Can’t promise anything but they do have a lot of second hand political focussed books
It’s ludicrous to claim that the Greens have done something wrong if the Liberal Party chooses to recommend that their voters preference the Greens ahead of the ALP. The Liberal Party is entitled to make that recommendation if they want, and the voters are free to follow or ignore the recommendation, and the Greens don’t have a say in it anyway, so what does it have to do with them?
I think that that certain Baby Boomer and older Gen X Labor partisans here need to stop being such colossal bores on the subject of the Greens. The Greens are an important, principled, and very progressive political party. They deserve respect, even if they aren’t your cup of tea.
Have to agree with most of the posters on this election blog. Whilst I support many of The Green’s policies, I am not naive about their political tactics. They are a political party and like the rest of them they’ll try to get the best deal for themselves.
Some posters here try to overlook the Party’s dealings. The Greens are not as pure as the driven snow, as the saying goes. It goes without saying about the Conservatives chicanery and Labor too are in the same boat. And the dealing gets convoluted when elections come around.
Mind you, good to see The Greens doing well in the Vic. Upper House. Progressive politics is the big winner.
Greens have done so extremely badly that tedious bores of PB have been forced to comment on them for days, or is that years and years, to great effectiveness in their own minds
Nothing convinces me more what a total crock Labor is than dropping in to see the PB brains trust and how Greens live rent free in their minds forever
Pity the PB Labor brains trust will probably be long gone before the Greens are, what will we all do for sycophantic tropes on preferences and laughs?
Cronus says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:29 pm
Mavis says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:58 pm
Cronus & Upnorth, I occasionally think you’re both too amenable.
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Kind of you to say Mavis. In my own case I learned long ago not to take myself too seriously and realised as well that I only ever knew part of any picture or issue which is why I value the opinions and subject matter expertise of many Bludgers (such as yourself) as they add to my knowledge and often give me cause to reflect further on issues.
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Well put and why we all come here. I forgot who but a poster posted last night s/he was throwing some coin to William for this place.
S/He felt he couldn’t add anything but was amazed at the discussion here. It’s a great forum. Congratulations William on another sterling effort last night.
Here I is was in downtown Bangkok watching postals and prepolls being counted in Footscray!!
@andrewmck
I think I will take that advice and head to there to take a look some day. But most likely after the V/line fees are reduced in price so I can make the day affordable to travel to Carlton from Ballarat and back for that.
Thanks for the heads-up about that.
Upnorth:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:20 pm
Mavis:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:58 pm
[‘Cronus & Upnorth, I occasionally think you’re both too amenable.’]
What I’m suggesting is that you might consider a different tact, you being somewhat new to this site, and the repeated “cobber” reference, superfluous. In terms of both you & Cronus, you’re posting the bleeding obvious: Labor good; Tories, bad. Pepsy!
Mavis says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:45 pm
Upnorth:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:20 pm
Mavis:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:58 pm
[‘Cronus & Upnorth, I occasionally think you’re both too amenable.’]
What I’m suggesting is that you might consider a different tact, you being somewhat new to this site, and the repeated “cobber” reference, superfluous. In terms of both you & Cronus, you’re posting the bleeding obvious: Labor good; Tories, bad. Pepsy!
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Done deal cobber. If you trade me your Pepys for my Cobber! Yes, Tories bad. very bad.
Liberals preferencing Greens is not an issue for the Greens, but for the Liberals. So patently a piece of political chicanery only puts off their own traditional supporters for voting for them.
TPOF says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:52 pm
Liberals preferencing Greens is not an issue for the Greens, but for the Liberals. So patently a piece of political chicanery only puts off their own traditional supporters for voting for them.
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+1.
Why wouldn’t the electorate approve of expulsion of the extremely dodgy Somyurek and his patronage network?. The ALP (like any other party) have to be on the guard against opportunists and empire builders to maintain credibility. What is thepublic perception of the Libs after their wholesale takeover by influence peddling and delusional religious nutters?
Somyurek’s real crime was getting caught.
@subgeometer
Main reason I said that was because from the moment Somyurek was expelled from Labor, he instantly acted in opposition to the party, adding his voice to Murdoch’s narrative against them, and even stood in opposition against them by joining the “new” DLP in an attempt to stay in parliament.
It feels good to see him so thoroughly thwarted despite his attempt of payback by aligning with the Murdoch press to try and continue his political power. It is satisfying that it seems to have failed utterly.
In regards volunteers for the State election, the Liberal Party flew them in in their hundreds from across Australia (anyone from anywhere looking to holiday in Victoria!!)
And paid to display their material and have it distributed to letter boxes
In terms of regeneration, the ALP has added to those elected in 2018 so has plenty of young and committed parliamentarians – such as Jackson Taylor and look at what he has achieved in Bayswater, a long term Liberal seat then by redistribution a Liberal nominal seat again
There is also the small matter of Counsel Assisting referring to “low hanging fruit” and that they have others in their sights
Now who could that be – and how will that play out over the term of this government?
The innuendo around the referrals to IBAC (by who?) will also resolve by the release of the findings
Obviously there is no finding of impropriety deemed to be in the public interest because hearings to Interim Report level have remained behind closed doors – allowing for a leak which is obviously being tracked down to a source – a source which may now be very worried
IBAC will act
The National Party (formerly the Country Party, don’t forget)
“Black” Jack McEwen
And holding the government to ransom on the parity of the currency, then regulated
They were the days!!!
Now we have Barnaby with his demands
The Nationals do not have anyone of McEwan’s profile – plus they are in opposition but still joined at the hip to the Liberals
In opposition, the Nationals leader is not Deputy Opposition Leader
He is the National’s leader but sitting where he sits – so important in his opinion?
The question is how the Liberals get back into government (anywhere) and then how do they get there in their own right (so not a Coalition)
I would anticipate the Coalition becoming more unstable as the long years in opposition drag on and there are retributions against the Liberal Party which surface – because the Liberals are letting the side down
It is not going to be easy for the Conservatives
And that is before you get to the calibre of the Labor leaders and their support numbers in the Parliaments
Labor are regenerating in office
The Conservatives have the numbers of seats they have been reduced to
And the expelled former ALP MP broke Party Rules and was dobbed in by his own side, who taped him
Labor partisans like to accuse the Greens of being naieve ideologues that can never form government because they value style over substance but also say they should throw up a big fuss and say ‘don’t preference us’ when no deal has been made (hence Greens preferencing Labor) and the Liberals making a call to preference Labor last.
Either they’re ideologues who don’t appreciate realpolitik or purely political players. You can’t pick both.
Do people in commerical numbers actually watch the Pets Credlins, Rowan Deans etc on Sky?
Poor Peta. She is a believer in the shit she spouts. It’s not just a job for her. She must be feeling horrible tonight. Good.
yabba @ Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:15 am
Peta Credlin really should have listened to her mother when she said:
“Don’t keep kissing Tony Abbott’s arse or your face will stay like that!”
C@tmomma @ #1213 Sunday, November 27th, 2022 – 8:20 pm
It’s not a choice. I mean like legally, there’s no way for any party to do that. And for good reason too. If there were it would literally disenfranchise every voter who did [Coalition, …, Greens, …, Labor].
May as well abolish preferential voting at that point. Which might change the outcome in more than a few seats, and not for the better.
Charming Credlin in happier days. Naughty Robert rabbit.
Mr Ettershank said most people believed “it was time” for cannabis law reform, such as the legalisation of low-level marijuana use, a change to driving laws and more affordable medicinal cannabis.
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Not sure about changing the driving laws.
I have driven stoned before back in my younger days. It felt very dangerous.
JM from QLD says:
Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:04 pm
Labor partisans like to accuse the Greens of being naieve ideologues that can never form government because they value style over substance but also say they should throw up a big fuss and say ‘don’t preference us’ when no deal has been made (hence Greens preferencing Labor) and the Liberals making a call to preference Labor last.
Either they’re ideologues who don’t appreciate realpolitik or purely political players. You can’t pick both.
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Except that partisans of any stripe aren’t in the least concerned about consistency, logic or evidence. Their own tribe will always be perfect and blameless and if they have to passionately argue X today to support that view and not-X tomorrow for the same purpose, it won’t fuss them at all. And likewise, to the partisan, members of all other tribes must be one or more of, dishonest, stupid or unsuccessful merely by reason of their tribal identity. While to disinterested people it might seem that partisans tie themselves into extravagant contortions and contradictions in order to warp reality into their own image, the partisans themselves have no consciousness of this. Those some contortions anaesthetise them against any disturbing evidence or experience that might intrude into their partisan bubble.
On this occasion, I agree with Taylormade…
I’m in favour of legalising it, but no one should drive stoned. I almost killed myself doing that once, many years ago.
Evening all. Just dropping in at the end of a fantastic weekend in Victoria with friends and drinking some surprisingly good gin tonight.
Obviously the Victorian election result was delightful to Labor supporters far and wide. The rantings of the Murdoch and Ninefax papers were exposed as biased lies. The Liberals doubling down on climate denial and fundamentalist religious candidates did as well as it deserved.
And the cherry on top of the wage justice Sunday was that Labor reached agreement with Pocock last night on passing the IR laws for industry wide wage bargaining. Hallelujah!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-27/industrial-relations-laws-set-to-pass-parliament/101703572
Horse-woman of the Apocalypse!
Liberal party treasurer Philip Higginson’s view.
They say that beauty is only skin deep.
But you can really see the warmth and compassion for other people of Credlin’s soul shine through in this touching photo of her on election night.
TPOF : “Liberals preferencing Greens is not an issue for the Greens, but for the Liberals. So patently a piece of political chicanery only puts off their own traditional supporters for voting for them.”
Yeah. This is a liberal stuff up plain and simple. They’ve just opened themselves up to the criticism of “you enabled this”.
The point about the driving laws re cannabis is that they do need to change. There doesn’t seem to be an effective way of determining, like with a breathalyser and alcohol, that someone is “stoned”. The saliva tests back to 48 hours. The effect will have long since worn off. What about casual smoke? How do you regulate about that? You can’t really accidentally consume alcohol.
I haven’t seen an answer to these questions. I think all drugs should be regulated including licensing for use. But until driving safety can be legislated for, I still can’t see how it will happen here.
Here we go again
You left out the Nugan Hand bank – surely one of the funniest episodes in the history of banking.
Also, do you still keep up your subscription to “The Banker”? I’ve been thinking of taking it up to find out what the next steps are likely to be