Two contributions from Roy Morgan: its weekly report video tells us this week’s federal polling has Labor’s lead unchanged at 53.5-46.5, without offering any information on primary votes, and it has an SMS poll of 1012 respondents conducted on Sunday that found a 60-40 split in favour of retaining the monarchy over becoming a republic, albeit it might be faulted for having been conducted at an uncommonly opportune moment for monarchist sentiment.
The Australian also reported yesterday that SEC Newgate polling found 57% of Victorians were optimistic about the direction of the state; cost of living, health care and employment as the top priorities; “nearly half” trusting Daniel Andrews to lead the state through pandemic challenges compared with 16% for Matthew Guy; and 57% holding the view that the state was headed in the right direction, the highest of any state. Conversely, 53% of New South Wales respondents felt the state was heading in the wrong direction and only 35% believed the Perrottet government was doing a good job, the worst results for any state, although sample sizes in some cases would have been very small. The polling was conducted from August 31 to September 5 from a sample of 1502, 600 of whom were in Victoria.
Finally, the first batch of submissions – 212 of them – have been published from the Joint Standing Committe on Electoral Matters’ inquiry into the federal election. I haven’t had time to read any of them myself, but there are a good many notable names featured, though nothing yet from the parties.
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Taylormadesays:
Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:35 pm
Thank christ for that. Geelong and Collingwood, my 2 most hated teams.
Go Swannies in the big one.
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I did not agree with you on many occasions but on this occasion I agree with you wholeheartedly.
We are on the same side on this occasion.
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nathsays:
Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:38 pm
Umpires gave that one to the Swans. I think Geelong will belt them next week.
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As usual Collingwood are sore losers. 🙂
Ven says:
As usual Collingwood are sore losers
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I hope the Swans win, but I think Geelong are too strong. Not a sore loser.
Does anyone have a link to what David Shoebridge actually said? I can’t seem to find it anywhere online, and while I’m sure Beorwar is being as fair and measured as he always is when the Greens are concerned, I feel that we may be missing a wee bit of context.
“ I hope the Swans win, but I think Geelong are too strong. Not a sore loser.”
I admire your stoicism, given how much of a pies supporter you are, but I fear you are also right.
I’m getting concerned about C@t. Anyone heard anything from her in the last 24hrs?
Go Catters!
Woo hoo!!
Yes, because if there is one profession that is renown for their devotion to strict 9-5, Monday-to-Friday schedules, it’s the tradies!
Asha
It fits with rent freezes and the Gvernment setting wages and interest rates while nationalising QANTAS and the energy industry. The Greens are doing shoot and hide. BTW, how is the Voice coming along A complete waste of money?
BW:
You know full well that I oppose the Greens’ stance on the Voice. I’m somewhat sceptical about the benefits of rent-freezes too, though not entirely against the idea either.
Asha, tradies start at 7. Nancy boys start at 9
Poor Asha is always portrayed as a Green. I think he’s made his opinions clear.
Asha most tradies would be happy to work four days for five days pay. Shoebridge has got that part right!
I am a bit surprised that Shoebridge supporters don’t understand that people actually want to work four days for five days pay. They keep raising anecdotes about 6 day rosters and try to explain that farmers should just keep working seven days a week while everyone else is doing four!
outside left says:
Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:55 pm
Asha, tradies start at 7. Nancy boys start at 9
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gotta get up early to charge pensioners $400 for tightening a washer.
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nathsays:
Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:43 pm
Ven says:
As usual Collingwood are sore losers
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I hope the Swans win, but I think Geelong are too strong. Not a sore loser.
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Nath
R U OK?
You were in Hospital tiil yesterday and then you have to watch this match.
Outside:
That’s kind of my point.
Tradies are independent contractors. They get paid per job, working the hours that they want to work and typically charging as much as they can get away with while remaining competitive.
Ven says:
Nath
R U OK?
You were in Hospital tiil yesterday and then you have to watch this match.
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Thanks for your ongoing concern. Who are you again? Have you changed names?
Andrew_Earlwood @ #206 Saturday, September 17th, 2022 – 7:48 pm
Why are you concerned?
You spend a lot of time putting C@t down.
Itza,
That Guardian article you Oates was well worth reading. Found their observations on the complex reasons for the grief quite compelling.
I do wonder though if sadness , like happiness, can be contagious?
The Greens support the Voice but only it operates for four days a week. For the other three days everyone would be down at the beach staying in rent-frozen holiday rentals.
Stephens, Meredith, and Stevic were the Swans best tonight. I hate Collingwood as much as the next person, but they did not get the rub of the green tonight
Sydney vs collingwood was a nail biter. Collingwood almost grabbed the win.
C@t said she felt very unwell last night.
Hope she is okay.
I’m another who is hoping C@t’s ok.
Zwaktyld
Agreed.
I dont like collingwood normally. But i really like the way this team play.
Stevic was huge for Sydney. Was important in critical moments to set up the win.
If all the tradies’ workers do four days work for five days pay we could hardly expect tradies to work five for five!
Colour me shocked. I would have thought that Bludgers would ave heard of builders labourers.
BW:
Mate, I don’t mean to be rude (actually, maybe I do), but what in the actual fuck are you talking about? I’m not sure you quite comprehend what people calling for a four-day work week are actually arguing for.
I am not a “Shoebridge supporter”, BTW. Literally all I know about the man is he’s a recently elected Greens senator and that you’ve clearly got a hair in your arse about him. Before today, the only people I’ve ever spoken to about the four day workweek have been other Labor party members, typically in the context of them trying to convince sceptical types like myself of the benefits.
Not everything is about the bloody Greens.
Ah, that would explain why I couldn’t find Shoebridge’s comments anywhere online, they were published in the goddamn Australian. Anyone with a subscription care to copy-and-paste the relevant statements here?
Asha
Shoebridge was a bit vague on his latest populist Look-at-Moi….
…not costed… nothing specified… go ahead and try to join the dots yourself. I assume that the Four Day Week is now Greens policy… but whi would know?
Construction companies are not tradies, they are companies that employ manual labourers. Some of those labourers are tradies.
nathsays:
Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 8:05 pm
Stevic was huge for Sydney. Was important in critical moments to set up the win.
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Your opinion on Ash Johnston’s game ?
Only his 8th game but has to be better than that.
Boerwar @ #227 Saturday, September 17th, 2022 – 8:05 pm
The concept is that they’re doing five days’ work in four days’ time, for five days’ pay. Which is fair because they’ve done the same amount of work, just in less calendar-time.
Your position seems to be that if someone is capable of doing five days’ work in four days’ time then they should be totally happy to just do 6.25 days’ work in five days’ time while not getting any pay increase for the extra work performed. That’s just plain exploitative.
Asha
You would have to take that up with Shoebridge.
He must have a list of who works four days somewhere.
There must be millions of them.
If you do four days work for five days pay then that is the point!
Boerwar, you must surely realise that that anyone with half a brain who has spent more than a few days on this website is going to take your interpretation of, well, anything that a Greens MP has ever said with a huge grain of salt.
You have demonstrated on numerous occasions how talented you are with the Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V keys, how about using them now to paste Shoebridge’s actual words here so we can judge for ourselves. His comments may well have been the dumbest thing ever uttered by a politician, but how the heck I am supposed to know that without reading them?
Taylormade says:
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Your opinion on Ash Johnston’s game ?
Only his 8th game but has to be better than that.
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Yeah had a poor one. I don’t know why he got a game over Henry tbh. Although he has shown plenty of class a times.
It’s always five days of work completed per week whether the working week is four days or five days long. Because “day of work” refers to a certain quantity or work being done, and isn’t a count of how many days each week a worker just physically shows up. Nobody is paid just to show up.
asha
Mate, stop with the personal abuse. Uf you have a hang up about a four day week take it up with Shoebridge. Hint: HE WAS GRANDSTANDING BULLSHIT.
Boerwar says:
Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 8:29 pm
asha
Mate, stop with the personal abuse. Uf you have a hang up about a four day week take it up with Shoebridge. Hint: HE WAS GRANDSTANDING BULLSHIT.
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What’s Sarah Hanson Young saying? I assume you are constantly reading Greens twitter accounts?
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nathsays:
Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:59 pm
Ven says:
Nath
R U OK?
You were in Hospital tiil yesterday and then you have to watch this match.
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Thanks for your ongoing concern. Who are you again? Have you changed names?
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Never changed my name. 🙂
Boerwar, the internet is no place for sensitive souls. Either harden up or log off.
I don’t see how it’s abuse to point out that you are not the most reliable narrator when it comes to the Greens, or that I don’t think have any idea what you are talking about where a four-day workweek is concerned, or to make the apparently insanely unreasonable request for a transcript of the actual comments we have been arguing about for the last few pages. No doubt my language has been rather caustic… I guess I should ensure I’m always being super friendly and pleasant, like you always do?
If you are going to carry on like an absurdly belligerent internet troll who has just wandered in here from a late 90s message board, then you should expect others to respond in kind.
Perhaps you might care to look in a mirror sometime and consider why your contributions tend to provoke the response that they do, even from those who might otherwise be sympathetic to you views?
asha
You are being abusive. Over and out.
‘Emilius van der Lubben says:
Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 1:42 pm
There is a wide body of research which suggests the four-day work week could increase productivity in many white-collar sectors, as WLB and cutting down admin becomes more central in job design.
If the weekly cycle went from 5-on/2-off to 4-on/3-FF, then pretty soon the notion of the weekend would almost disappear. The rhythm would soon turn into 7 days-on-or-off….that is, the social rhythm with which we are familiar would be vastly disrupted. The weeks are already quite a-rhythmic these days compared with the routines of 30 or 40 years ago.
Perhaps this disruption is itself one of the sources of life-stress. The ubiquity of digital devices now means most people are on-call in some sense most of the time. If working patterns were to become more dislocated or scattered – if workers might never be collectively in off-mode – then psychological stresses would probably get worse, not better.
Personally, I think regular repose is necessary for emotional and physical well-being. We should do more to protect ourselves from the claims of work – from the necessity to produce, produce, produce. We count the hours instead of making the hours count, it seems to me.
I have been trying to listen more closely to my inner mind. In this, I’m becoming more rebellious against deadlines and targets, and increasingly find myself living in the moment. This does not mean I’m idle. Far from it. I’ve seldom attended more to my creative self. But I am not bending myself to the wheels of commerce. And I’m becoming happy: childishly happy, I like to say.
The Greens didn’t come up with the idea of a four day work week.
Boerwar at 8:08 pm
This Bludger was one and still have my old BLF membership card .
I could live without dairy products. They upset my system. I avoid them most of the time.
BW:
So what is it when you constantly verbal people and deliberately misrepresent their positions, or refer to them with juvenile nicknames, or accuse them of being sockpuppets or plants from another political party because they happen to disagree with you? Is that not abuse?
I still remember when you – repeatedly – accused me of being a homophobe in league with George Christensen because I supported repealling group ticket voting in the Senate. Was that not abuse?
You need to grow the fuck up.
For many of us, the concept of the weekend lost all meaning a long time ago. My weekend starts at 11am on a Tuesday and ends when I go to bed on Wednesday night.
Quasar @ #219 Saturday, September 17th, 2022 – 8:00 pm
Whatever’s going on is sure contagious. And the search for meaning in Westminster Hall seems to have caught on. The guys with the bows and arrows have just arrived. Royal Archers I suppose. It’s teetering on silly. Oh, there’s Trudeau in the VIP box!