Essential Research: cost of living (open thread)

The latest fortnightly Essential poll suggests voters won’t be giving the new government much breathing space before holding it responsible for rising inflation.

Still no sign of Newspoll, despite today’s resumption of parliament, nor of voting intention from the latest fortnightly Essential Research poll. As reported by The Guardian, the latter turns out to be the most discouraging set of numbers for the Albanese government so far, in that 40% were already prepared to rate the government as doing a poor job on relieving cost of living pressures, compared with 23% for good and 37% for neither. Apart from that, all the unusually spare report from The Guardian has to tell us is that “a majority of respondents believe the Albanese government can influence the direction of inflation and interest rates”, which seems unlikely to bode well. The poll was conducted from a sample of 1082, presumably from Thursday to Monday – the full report should be on the pollster’s website later today.

UPDATE: While “neither good nor poor” responses are high in each case, the poll also finds the government rated good on the pandemic by 36% and poor by 25%; good on education by 35% and poor by 18%; and good on climate change by 33% and poor by 21%. Forty-four per cent supported the government’s carbon emissions target while 40% said it did not go far enough, but no option was provided for those who felt it went too far. Fifty per cent said the Greens should support the government, with a question that emphasised Labor had been elected on that basis, while 25% said they should only do so if Labor agreed to changes consistent with its own policies. Full report here.

Also of note:

Latika Bourke of the Age/Herald reports that Liberals Andrew Hastie and Simon Birmingham are looking at the example followed by David Cameron after the Conservatives’ 2005 election defeat to improve diversity in the party’s parliamentary ranks, which involved producing a leadership-backed “A-list” of diverse candidates and encouraging local party associations (which lack a clear equivalent in Australian party structures) to choose candidates through primaries open to non-members.

• The Australian Electoral Commission has deregistered the Liberal Democrats, belatedly giving effect to legislation passed last year that effectively prohibited minor parties from having the words Liberal or Labor in their names. The party was cleverly able to keep the existing name at the May election after withdrawing its application to change its name to the Liberty Democrats (officially the Liberty and Democracy Party) in late March, which compelled the AEC to initiate a lengthy deregistration process that has only now come to fruition.

• Two days after a Daily Telegraph report suggesting he has designs on Marise Payne’s Senate seat should she soon vacate it, the Milton Ulladulla Times reports Andrew Constance plans to run again in Gilmore at the next federal election, after falling 373 votes short of taking the seat from Labor’s Fiona Phillips in May.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

1,429 comments on “Essential Research: cost of living (open thread)”

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  1. Regarding power prices, it is going to take Labor years to undo the damage Angus Taylor did to renewable power construction. But the damage he did to prices can be undone quickly by changing the market structure. Labor really should do this fast, as it is damaging our economy now.

    Gas companies neither pay much tax nor employ many people, so there is no excuse to let them continue gouging eastern state consumers. High power prices also damage the prospects of manufacturing jobs. The government should move to a WA style reserve system ASAP.

  2. Nath
    “Well you couldn’t think that Labor will do as well as in 2018. So a reduced majority, probably around 53% 2pp”

    That could be peri close ?

  3. “Peri-urban” would be an apt description of the Central Coast. It includes rural areas and some small towns in the hinterland but the majority of the population live in what are really suburbs near the coast. Many commute to Sydney (about 80-100 km).

  4. Reading the end of this article, it appears flagman’s party want to delay passing this bill
    for another two months, adding yet more uncertainty to renewable investment in this country:
    so much for the party that professes that it wants to save the GBR, here’s a hint Another
    decade of delay will totally f*&^ the reef over you clown flagman!

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/climate-inaction-points-to-deeper-problems-for-the-liberals-20220727-p5b4xg

  5. “We also have an independent judiciary”

    From last night, I don’t think this is true, I don’t think it has ever been true.

    From Bank nationaisation, to bottom of the harbour, from the CJ, the Queen and Kerr, through to and including Mabo the HC is and always been a select elite, selected by the political elite. As far as I know they are not blatant anti-democratic theocratic lunatics that are hyperpartisan, but it is foolish to think of them as independent in any meaningful way. I have not read a HC judgement recently but again unlike the evil crackpots on the US supreme court most high court judges have been skillfull enough to write within the ‘rules’ of being a good judge.


  6. nath says:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:32 am

    Frednk says:

    Come on Nath, put it down, what is the November election result going to be?
    ________________
    Well you couldn’t think that Labor will do as well as in 2018. So a reduced majority, probably around 53% 2pp.

    Well you put your number down so I will put mine down.

    On what I consider the positive side.
    1) The state is doing well economically and the major projects are going reasonable well.
    2) For the third time the Liberal’s central campaign plank seems to be red shirts.
    3) The religious nutters have taken over the Liberal party.
    4) Labor renewal has caused a few waves.
    On the negative
    a) Still don’t know how the Covid trauma is going to play out. We have punished the federal government for their effort, will we reward the state government for theirs?
    b) Both papers have an irrational hatred for Andrews.
    c) The Liberals seem to have dropped their black gang stuff, I think that gave Labor a real boost.
    d) No-one has published a poll, I have no doubt if they were bad for Andrew the age and sun would have been in their publishing them daily.
    e) Labor has renewed, the bad wood out using IBAC, the old out using internal processes.

    The Greens are dreaming again, it is not going to be hung.

    54%

  7. Recently I drove through one of latest level crossing removals in Bell Street Preston.
    What a difference to the flow of traffic, when no longer having to give way to trains every 10 mins!

  8. nath at 8 am

    Bass, Braddon and Longman were only 3 seats. Already LNP had likely urban losses (Swan, Pearce, Boothby, Chisholm) that would have reduced them to 73, without counting NSW.

    Teal wave was not a surprise and it was going to wash out the LNP heartland, so anyone who focused only on Bass, Braddon and Longman simply could not see the wood for the trees.

    2022 election results were very interesting in many respects, including Qld. Remember there was a Rowe cartoon in 2019 with a car with a number plate “Albo 2022” looking at the scale of the cane toad problem in Qld. But note in some regional seats (e.g. Flynn) Labor reduced the Tory margin significantly.

    Victorian results contributed significantly to LNP loss. With all due respect to Mr Shorten, he failed to gain any seats in Melbourne at two attempts (excluding redistribution seats) whereas Albo got two crucial seats, including Higgins.

    Was 2022 the first apparently close election in a long while when neither Qld nor Tassie seats mattered much in the end, because Labor’s WA branch finally fulfilled their promise?

    Note that the election was only apparently close. In fact the Teal wash-out helped produce a comfortable Labor victory, since seat counting is relative.

    Albo is hardly likely to get complacent, but with Labor’s primary of 32.6% he is in a stronger position than Ardern on 50%, because Teal wash-out is so debilitating for the Libs, as noted even by the drip, Coorey.

  9. Ooh, we are doing Vic election predictions

    Predicting a swing against Labor – not even Dan can maintain 57.3% TPP after 8 years in gov.

    1-2 Labor seats lost to the Greens.
    4-6 Labor seats lost to the Coalition.
    2-3 Liberal seats lost to independents in ‘teal’ seats, whether they call themselves teals or not.
    Nationals no change.

    So overall 47-50 Labor, 4-5 Greens, 2-4 Teals, 28-31 Coalition.

  10. I doubt this is all there is for DeSantis to concern himself with.

    Florida Gov. DeSantis’ spokeswoman Christina Pushaw registered as a foreign agent on June 6th, 2022, under the Foreign Agents Registration Act
    (That In itself is Suspect)

    She didn’t report all foreign agent activities to DOJ & could be criminally liable https://t.co/1yaoTF0LjZ


  11. Alan Kohler writes that the Reserve Bank is a renovator’s delight and says the pointy end of the work of the panel reviewing the Reserve Bank will be to decide whether Governor Philip Lowe committed a sackable offence by saying, over and over, that he expects the cash rate to stay at 0.1 per cent until 2024.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/07/28/reserve-bank-review-alan-kohler/

    Philip Lowe did commit sackable offence by saying, over and over, that he expects the cash rate to stay at 0.1 per cent until 2024.
    Not only that he waited too long to increase the interest rates thus allowing inflationary pressures to build unchecked like in a malfunctioning pressure cooker leading to steeper interest rate increases later.

  12. Victoria @ #829 Friday, July 29th, 2022 – 8:56 am

    Recently I drove through one of latest level crossing removals in Bell Street Preston.
    What a difference to the flow of traffic, when no longer having to give way to trains every 10 mins!

    Ours is in the process of being done at Gap Rd Sunbury.
    The disruption at present is a huge pain but it will be great once done.
    Completion due before the state election

  13. Ven @ #1077 Friday, July 29th, 2022 – 9:08 am


    Alan Kohler writes that the Reserve Bank is a renovator’s delight and says the pointy end of the work of the panel reviewing the Reserve Bank will be to decide whether Governor Philip Lowe committed a sackable offence by saying, over and over, that he expects the cash rate to stay at 0.1 per cent until 2024.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/07/28/reserve-bank-review-alan-kohler/

    Philip Lowe did commit sackable offence by saying, over and over, that he expects the cash rate to stay at 0.1 per cent until 2024.
    Not only that he waited too long to increase the interest rates thus allowing inflationary pressures to build unchecked like in a malfunctioning pressure cooker leading to steeper interest rate increases later.

    Yes, but the pointed question is, why?

  14. Ron DeSantis continues to gain on Trump among prospective 2024 GOP primary voters. Trump has just a 2 point lead (33-31). In all, 67% of 2024 GOP primary voters picked a candidate other than Donald Trump.

    Not great news for Trump but….. you dont need 50% of GOP primary voters to win the GOP primary.

    Trump may have no choice but to run to try to stave off potential legal proceedings. Then again, DeSantis is just the right sort of shady to promise him a pardon.

    What a joke these pardons have become.

  15. America. Sigh.

    The pictures are striking: This past Saturday, on the second day of Turning Point USA’s pep rally in Tampa for right-wing college kids from across the country, neo-Nazis gathered outside the convention center in support of the organization, in support of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, and, most importantly, to spread hate. Some images show members of NatSoc Florida—as in “national socialism,” Nazism—posing on the convention center steps, their faces obscured by dark sunglasses and white neck gaiters. Their gaiters and red shirts say “NSF,” with the “S” written as Nazi SS lightning bolts, and they carry a Nazi swastika flag and a Black Sun flag. There are reportedly signs that say “Free the J6 Political Prisoners.”

    Other images show a cluster of members of the “Goyim Defense League,” an antisemitic group, wearing black neck gaiters with skulls on them as they carry antisemitic posters—some showing the antisemitic “Happy Merchant” cartoon. Someone spewed slurs into a bullhorn that has “Infowars” stickers on it. This group carries Nazi flags, including the SS Bolts flag—as well as a flag that reads “DeSantis Country.”

    https://www.thebulwark.com/the-bullhorn-and-the-dog-whistle/

    Also, if you want to listen to an expert’s expert on the War in Ukraine, this is the former Supreme Commander of NATO:

    https://www.thebulwark.com/podcast-episode/adm-james-stavridis-an-endgame-in-the-russia-ukraine-war-2/

  16. Socrates says:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:08 am
    “As for the Australian Christian Lobby and their obsession to deny others the human right to die on their own terms, what is their problem? They have no right to impose their religion beliefs on others. Frankly, they would have a hard time finding anything in the bible on voluntary assisted dying either. These people are not happy unless they can be looked up to as some kind of moral authority (which they absolutely are not) and impose that authority on others. They are control freaks, not people of faith.”

    +1, they are simply unrepresentative of the majority of the population. I respect their minority beliefs and I expect them to respect the majority’s beliefs. We’re not imposing assisted dying on them but we are providing a dignified opportunity for those who wish the option.

  17. Interesting is the AUD 10 Year Bond Yield being at 3.1%

    That is down a full 120 Basis Points or so from where it was only a few weeks ago

    No doubt the Traders are enjoying themselves

    I note also that, consistent with the disappearance of the Ombudsman’s scathing Report including on Victoria Police acting on complaints by the Liberal Party on the eve of an election from their site, Smuthurst now has the Greens forming government in Victoria

    Vote Labor, get the radical communist Greens attacking your endeavour, achievements and (as a consequence), wealth

    And, of course, Andrews is on the nose

    I might add that this is different to what my sources are saying, these sources further alarmed that the infighting within the Liberal Party between the ascendant Bible Groups and the IPA is in the public eye

    The latest Morgan poll numbers at 60/40 would be a good result – for the Liberals that is

    Back to the continuing surge in International Gas prices along with the wind down of coal fired power stations by the private operators

    Profit taking by manipulation including windfall gains by the operators including by government operations in associated markets being hydro particularly

    The last 10 years is really hurting

    We just have to focus on transition – and hold those controlling distressed assets still relied on (that word transition) to account by government

    Europe has a function including windfall taxes of those gaming the market being returned to consumers

    No doubt, the government, having intervened as it has, is taking everything to account including the underlying need for profitability

    It is a complex matter including Forward Contracts (in what currencies?)

    The Greens will not go near this because what we see is down to them

    Exclusively


  18. NSW Small Business Minister Eleni Petinos is facing allegations she called an adviser “retarded” and “stupid” and threatened she would “kill” them for making a small mistake, despite workplace safety being part of her portfolio responsibilities, reports Max Maddison.
    https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/nsw-minister-eleni-petinos-faces-claims-of-bullying/news-story/68304786e79dfc4c6cf95f7cc04e52b1

    Aren’t female LNP Ministers at state and federal level work of art?

  19. nath says:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:17 am
    “Of course the LNP retaining a strong hold on the regions won’t give them government, and they cannot think they can win many urban seats with Dutton, not unless Labor implodes.”

    I believe a Labor implosion is the Coalition’s main hope but as we know, hope is not a course of action.


  20. zoomstersays:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:50 am
    Ideas for Budget savings…

    1. Restrict new infrastructure spends to absolute essentials. I’m usually a ‘build infrastructure’ person but one of the main justifications in the recent past for building it has been to provide employment. This isn’t necessary atm and there are still plenty of home rebuilds to do in bushfire devastated areas.

    2. Review the grant system. It’s become riddled with rorts and ripe for corruption.
    …………
    …….

    Grant system is not only ripe for corruption but corruption is ripe in that system.


  21. Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:57 am
    Good morning bludgers. Thanks BK.

    From the dawn patrol I see that Eleni Petinos is in a spot of bother over alleged workplace bullying of her advisor.

    I am reminded of a time, as a fledgling MP, she got on the turps at the State of Origin with Bruz himself:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4687702/MP-vomited-car-unwell-State-Origin.html

    Followed by … a sexting scandal with Matt Kean:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5422091/What-Liberal-MP-Matt-Kean-sexted-fellow-MP-Eleni-Petinos.html

    From wiki:
    “Petinos graduated from the University of New South Wales. Before her election to parliament, Petinos was a tax lawyer, as well as a member of the Liberal Party state executive and an advisor to Senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells.[3]

    Petinos has been the chair of the Legislative Assembly Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, serving between April 2017 and March 2019. She was a Parliament Secretary for Transport and Roads from April 2019 until December 2021.[4] In December 2021, Petinos was sworn in as the Minister for Small Business and as the Minister for Fair Trading in the Perrottet ministry.[2]

    She is MLA of Miranda.So she represents Morrison constituency in NSW.
    Like Morrison she is subjected to ‘bullying’ allegations.

  22. C@t

    Trump and De Santis can manouevre any which way they think.
    Neither of them will be next President.
    They are both mired in the shit.

    I repeat. We are living in interesting times. And the next few months will indeed be wild.

    Lol!

  23. My dictionary.com word of the day is pinkwashing; supporting LGB+ causes for a commercial reason but not with any real conviction. Organisations will sell pro rights merchandise but also support anti gay politicians

    This week is “Women in League” round but Tony Abbott’s club decided to use a pro LGB+ guernsey. Why – are all women gay? or is there equivalence of women’s rights and gay rights?

    In any case the merchandise sold out in a day and is likely to have some collectable value


  24. sprocket_says:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:01 am
    Increasing talk of ScoMo quitting, leaving a vacancy in Cook.

    Simon Holmes a Court has his eyes on putting a Teal in. Some comments here from Kos Samaras..

    Director of Redbridge Kos Samaras, who did polling for Climate 200, said Ms Steele stood a “much better chance” in Cook than Hughes, which was more “rusted on conservative” than the former prime minister’s electorate.

    Ms Samaras said highly religious voters were overwhelmingly likely to stick with the Liberals even in Mr Morrison’s absence, but a swing to the Greens in May showed a “serious [independent] offering” could sway enough of Cook’s 54,000 Liberal voters to make the race competitive.

    “On a scale of zero to 10, with 10 being Wentworth, I’d say Cook is a seven,” he said.

    But he said the timing of a by-election would have a significant impact on her prospects, with the Liberals’ standing “not great” in the immediate post-election period.

    “If it were to occur in 18-months’ time, different story. But if it was to occur in the next few months, or even early next year, then it’d be interesting,” he said.

    Five million Australians voting for independents and minor parties, and post-election polling showing the majority approved of a larger crossbench, showed an increasing desire for a “third way”, he said.
    “The potential for haemorrhaging is there whenever the system gets stressed, because people have seen an alternate option, and they like it,” he said.

    “You’re not going to get a surge to Labor in Cook, but there is a greater chance of them opting for an independent.”

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7836516/petrol-on-the-fire-climate-200-eyes-morrisons-seat-as-potential-candidate-emerges/?cs=14329

    Best of luck to Georgia Steele if by-election happens in near future.
    She got about 13.9% PV in Hughes. She was well behind ALP candidate, who came 2nd. Who knows what would have happened if she came 2nd on PV.
    She appeared to be a decent candidate. I think she lives in Sutherland shire.

  25. I’ve just indulged in some breakfast at a cafe before getting into some work. Table next to me had a guy in his 30’s and his parents meeting up and discussing very loudly their admiration for Pauline Hanson .

    Apparently ‘ some call her a racist but she is a realist’. I had to leave before I said something quite loudly.

    This family looked quite well off and not what could be called rednecks, I am sure they felt good looking down on others .

    Scares me.


  26. Socratessays:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:08 am
    Morning all. Thanks for the roundup BK. I have ranted here before about funding for dubious infrastructure projects with no evidence of merit. Labor should bin the relevant projects. It needs the money and our economy won’t miss them.

    As for the Australian Christian Lobby and their obsession to deny others the human right to die on their own terms, what is their problem? They have no right to impose their religion beliefs on others. Frankly, they would have a hard time finding anything in the bible on voluntary assisted dying either. These people are not happy unless they can be looked up to as some kind of moral authority (which they absolutely are not) and impose that authority on others. They are control freaks, not people of faith.

    Isn’t suicide a sin in Christian scriptures irrespective of what Woodrow Wilson thinks of it?

  27. Given that Trump has “come out” as basically a fascist since he left office, it’s disturbing that such a high proportion of Americans find him even remotely acceptable as a Presidential candidate.

  28. Steve777

    I doubt the majority of those who support Trump have any understanding of what facism entails.

    The spell may be broken if Trump decides to abscond to a place such as Saudia Arabia.


  29. C@tmommasays:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:10 am
    Ven @ #1077 Friday, July 29th, 2022 – 9:08 am


    Alan Kohler writes that the Reserve Bank is a renovator’s delight and says the pointy end of the work of the panel reviewing the Reserve Bank will be to decide whether Governor Philip Lowe committed a sackable offence by saying, over and over, that he expects the cash rate to stay at 0.1 per cent until 2024.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/07/28/reserve-bank-review-alan-kohler/

    Philip Lowe did commit sackable offence by saying, over and over, that he expects the cash rate to stay at 0.1 per cent until 2024.
    Not only that he waited too long to increase the interest rates thus allowing inflationary pressures to build unchecked like in a malfunctioning pressure cooker leading to steeper interest rate increases later.

    Yes, but the pointed question is, why?

    I don’t want to put WB in a difficult situation legally to speculate on something which is not certain and I don’t sit on Reserve Bank Board or not even Reserve Bank employee to give inside info. 🙂

  30. I read Trent Zimmerman’s comments today in The Guardian. Still pushing the ” hey, I’m a moderate” image, he questions his Party’s opposition to Labor’s 43% bill. Mind you, as an ex-Liberal MP, he’s got little, if any chance at all, of influencing his Party’s stances on Climate Change.
    He talks about the Opposition providing healthy , democratic debate. But he conveniently neglects the absolute truth that the Government he represented before he got the sack was absolutely in denial about ” healthy, democratic debate” . Rather it was a farce of democratic debate.
    So, the chances of an Dutton- led Opposition leading democratic debate in this Parliament, as already shown this week, is zilch. Its MO is ,and will be, on Tony Abbott’s line- to oppose everything.
    Mr Zimmerman, you’re dreaming.

  31. Re Ven @9:54.

    ”Philip Lowe did commit sackable offence by saying, over and over, that he expects the cash rate to stay at 0.1 per cent until 2024.
    Not only that he waited too long to increase the interest rates thus allowing inflationary pressures to build unchecked like in a malfunctioning pressure cooker leading to steeper interest rate increases later.

    Yes, but the pointed question is, why?”

    Simple. He predicted the future and he got it wrong, a very common occurrence, especially in matters relating to the economy.

  32. Phew. A lot to get through, even skimming. Thanks BK.

    “Donald Trump’s no-makeup appearance has shocked people”
    Trump’s frailty is exposed. Incompetence loses you the centre and weakness loses you the extremists.

  33. From BK

    “the [Labor] party has immeasurably more influence on the direction of Australia’s policy and politics than the Coalition.”
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/if-only-the-coalition-knew-how-to-govern-like-labor-20220727-p5b54e

    I can only read a few lines of the article before I’m blocked, and those lines seem to forget that we elect our representatives using preferential voting not FPTP. So as I trust BK’s summaries I’ll go with that.

    In saying that “Labor … has immeasurably more influence on the direction of Australia’s policy and politics than the Coalition.”, the IPA has outed itself, and perhaps also the Liberal Party, as reactionary. Conservatism means standing still and any direction you’re facing doesn’t matter because your not going anywhere! What BK’s summary seems to be saying is that the IPA don’t want a conservative pause button on Australia, they want the coalition to do a better job at being the rewind button. (The well to do want to retreat into the comfort of the past?)

  34. RE: The Opening Ceremony of the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham..

    The comedian introducing the athletes parade:
    “Lets doing something our Government never does, welcome the foreigners!”

    Good one!

  35. If the Dutton-led Opposition goes the full Abbott, as all early indications are presaging, the new Labor Government needs to have a robust response without getting into the gutter with them or shutting down legitimate debate. With a narrow majority, this should be much easier for the Albanese Government than it was for Julia Gillard’s.

  36. It is easy dismissing Dutton, all he has is mud, exaggeration and lies. Question Time is already showing his impotence.
    It may have worked as a tactic in Govt, but fails miserably in opposition. Its known as the hardest job for a reason.


  37. Voice Endeavour says:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:01 am

    Ooh, we are doing Vic election predictions

    Predicting a swing against Labor – not even Dan can maintain 57.3% TPP after 8 years in gov.

    1-2 Labor seats lost to the Greens.
    4-6 Labor seats lost to the Coalition.
    2-3 Liberal seats lost to independents in ‘teal’ seats, whether they call themselves teals or not.
    Nationals no change.
    So overall 47-50 Labor, 4-5 Greens, 2-4 Teals, 28-31 Coalition.

    So your predicting a TPP around 50% and a Labor minority government.

  38. “It is easy dismissing Dutton, all he has is mud, exaggeration and lies. Question Time is already showing his impotence.
    It may have worked as a tactic in Govt, but fails miserably in opposition. Its known as the hardest job for a reason.”

    The better parts of the media might be rolling eyes in ‘what are they doing’ opinion pieces but give them 3 – 6 months and they’ll fall in line the the LNP / Murdoch attack (do nothing / puppet of criminal gangs).

    I wouldn’t write dutton off until all the choir that is our MSM decide that three or four months is enough to fix 9 years of deliberate destruction and all sing the same anti-Labor song.

  39. No reason at all for Labor seats to be lost to the Coalition.

    Slim chance they might to the Greens, although there doesn’t seem to have been the same efforts put in as there were in Queensland.

    Can see some Liberal losses to the Teals, but they’re leaving the selection of candidates a little late and I’m not sure there’ll be the same money behind them.*

    *Did any Teal/indie not backed by Simon Holmes a Court’s group get up?


  40. frednksays:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 10:38 am

    Voice Endeavour says:
    Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:01 am

    Ooh, we are doing Vic election predictions

    Predicting a swing against Labor – not even Dan can maintain 57.3% TPP after 8 years in gov.

    1-2 Labor seats lost to the Greens.
    4-6 Labor seats lost to the Coalition.
    2-3 Liberal seats lost to independents in ‘teal’ seats, whether they call themselves teals or not.
    Nationals no change.
    So overall 47-50 Labor, 4-5 Greens, 2-4 Teals, 28-31 Coalition.

    So your predicting a TPP around 50% and a Labor minority government.

    It is no surprise. The Victorian Greens, who are classified as Transphobic by their own members and who gave us Adam Bandt and Lidia Thorpe, do what Greens do.

  41. Ven @ #1124 Friday, July 29th, 2022 – 9:41 am


    Isn’t suicide a sin in Christian scriptures irrespective of what Woodrow Wilson thinks of it?

    Genocide is commanded by the christian god sky fairy, in christian ‘scriptures’. I don’t see why it would not approve of suicide.

    Deuteronomy 20:16-17
    English Standard Version
    “16 But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17 but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded.

    The completely unambiguous word of goddd! Nothing that breathes! Complete destruction! COMMANDED!

    A real sweety, that one. I can see why it appeals to racist arseholes like Sukkar, Dutton et al. But to rational, intelligent human beings, with free access to bountiful scientific and historical knowledge?

  42. @frednk – those numbers are count of lower house seats won, not % of primary vote won.

    88 seats means 45 for majority government

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