With the first postal votes being sent out this week, crunch time is arriving for parties to determine their how-to-vote cards, a much overrated yet not entirely insignificant feature of Australian election campaigning. First out of the block are the Liberal Party, whose how-to-votes are featured on the candidate pages of its website. These are in most cases tokenistic, since the preferences of Liberal candidates are usually not distributed, but it’s interesting to note that teal independents have been put last in Warringah, Goldstein and Kooyong, and behind Labor in North Sydney and Curtin (though not Wentworth). More consequentially, though not unpredictably, the party’s how-to-vote cards have Labor ahead of competitive Greens candidates.
The Liberal Senate tickets have the United Australia Party among the six parties recommended for numbering in every state except (wait for it) Western Australia: Palmer’s party is placed second in Victoria and Tasmania, third behind the Liberal Democrats in New South Wales and third behind One Nation in Queensland (the taboo against preferencing that party being very much a thing of the past). Pressed about the matter by The West Australian last month, Scott Morrison said: “I don’t believe there will be a deal and that is certainly not my expectation and it is certainly not my request.” However, he conceded it was a “matter for the party organisation”, and certainly didn’t stake his authority on the matter.
The party’s Queensland ticket offers a useful boost to Pauline Hanson, placing her ahead of Clive Palmer at number three and Campbell Newman at number four. Nonetheless, One Nation is directing preferences to Labor ahead of the Liberal National Party in Longman, which helped swing the result Labor’s way when the party last won the seat in 2016. Conversely, preferences are being directed to Warren Entsch in Leichhardt, contrary to suggestions he would be among a number of Liberal moderates targeted in relation for a sixth placement on the Liberals’ Tasmanian ticket. Those have turned out to be Bridget Archer in Bass, James Stewart in Sturt, Tim Wilson in Goldstein and Trent Zimmerman in North Sydney, with only the former seeming like a seat where the party is likely to attract much support. It is not clear from media reports if the teal independents are ahead of the Liberals in Goldstein and North Sydney.
I trust you’re aware the count you’re referring to is conducted for informational purposes and doesn’t determine the final result.
Carefully rushed @9.05pm.
Thank you for your contribution. Unlike all the other contributors it sounds like you actually have standing in the discussion.
I apologise on behalf of our bigoted friends.
Best wishes to you and your family.
“preference. The two main contenders ballots are put to the side and then remaining ballots for 2PP are looked out and the officers look which of the two parties are listed first before the other ie if say Greens got first preference and ALP was listed 4th and Liberal was say 6th then the preference would go to ALP. It is irrelevant who was second or third in that instance.”
It was an eye-opener for me first time I booth captained / scruitineered.
CarefullyRushed
The regret rate is encouraging and I hope this continues.
You have allayed some of my concerns and I agree Deves using a megaphone is not the way to handle this issue.
More power to you and thanks for your considered response. .
Steely Dan,
As the father of a trans daughter. I actually think you’re confusing gender with sexuality…they are rather different. And I’m not being condescending. I was also unaware.
As a parent, you don’t expect your child will be trans. It comes as a slight surprise! And I assure you, no parent would support a child taking hormone blockers/replacements and potentially later surgery, if they had a small doubt of their gender. It is hard being trans after transitioning in our world, but it’s even harder being trans and not transitioning. My point is, this is a decision parents don’t take lightly. Do you think parents do this for fun? Perhaps you’re not aware that there are not multiple years of psychologists and specialists involved before treatments commence?
In my lived experience, gender is far less fluid over time than sexuality. Understanding one’s sexuality often involves exploration, which takes time.
But once a person notices that they are stuck living in a body of the opposite sex….it’s is kind of permanent and requires less exploration and is therefore more fixed.
Hope this helps. Most of this I didn’t know myself not that long ago.
I’m presuming if the count is tight between the candidates coming first, second and third etc the AEC would do a prelim pref count then after all primaries are in an actual count of preference.
LongMemory82says:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:18 pm
As you all know I post rarely, but the increase in new people of right wing persuasion commenting in the last couple of days, although annoying is rather pleasing to me.
I can smell the desperation blowing through the air.
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Not sure who you are referring to but it happens each election. New posters from both sides.
Last election, a couple of them seemed to be really in the know and was hoping they would continue on posting, but they just disappeared.
Carefullyrushed @ 9.05
Thank you so much for your considered insightful post.
Moonlight shadow reminds me of Dave Angel eco warrior. A really great one for all you greens supporters.
Maybe after we’ve sorted TransGate we could discuss other hot issues like “Why is Europe a continent while South Asia is only a subcontinent?” Is it because Europeans are white? Then we could move on to “why is Uranus the only solar system planet besides Earth not named after a Roman God?” Also, how do you pronounce it?
The AEC will junk a notional count on the night if it’s apparent they’ve picked the wrong two candidates and stop feeding through the results. They will then conduct a new notional count between the correct candidates over the next few days. I can’t think of an occasion where it remained unclear who the top two candidates would be at federal level. Come what may, the official distribution of preferences is conducted after all the votes are in.
Are scrutineers paid for thier role on election night ?
bronzednortherner evoking socialist panic is one 😛
Just noticed a few over the last few days generally. Not all bad of course
Taylormade @ #757 Friday, April 29th, 2022 – 9:38 pm
Steve777 says:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:40 pm
Maybe after we’ve sorted TransGate we could discuss other hot issues like “Why is Europe a continent while South Asia is only a subcontinent?” Is it because Europeans are white? Then we could move on to “why is Uranus the only solar system planet besides Earth not named after a Roman God?” Also, how do you pronounce it?
When I was at school our teacher called it U- Ran- Us and you were in trouble if you pronounced it “youranus” which we all did.lol
This is depressing indeed. We might as well move to Norway – might get more sun there
C@tmomma @ #748 Friday, April 29th, 2022 – 9:22 pm
Steve777 says:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:40 pm
Maybe after we’ve sorted TransGate we could discuss other hot issues like “Why is Europe a continent while South Asia is only a subcontinent?” Is it because Europeans are white? Then we could move on to “why is Uranus the only solar system planet besides Earth not named after a Roman God?” Also, how do you pronounce it?
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We could trigger the cultural warriors by asking should people from the middle east be considered white since they share similar skin tones to eastern and southern europeans.
It’s a small continent. By the same argument, you could say Australia is a “superisland”.
Who Discovered Uranus (and How Do You Pronounce It)?
https://www.space.com/18704-who-discovered-uranus.html
Mexicanbeemer
“We could trigger the cultural warriors by asking should people from the middle east be considered white since they share similar skin tones to eastern and southern europeans.”
Are you implying Italians are not POC? How dare you.
Taylormade @ #761 Friday, April 29th, 2022 – 9:44 pm
No.
I am scrutineering at my booth this election and I have done it before and never been paid. The party throws a party afterwards and that’s close enough.
Commentariat Uprising
LOL the other way around Middle East people should be considered white because their history is closely tied to Europe.
Transgender
Don’t know anyone (as far as I know)
And, quite frankly, it is none of my business – and I am not interested
Sport
If you watch AFL football you see sizes from over 200cm to 170cm
And there are markedly different sizes in the AFLW
Then you look at sizes on the tennis court
Perhaps all sports should follow boxing – and have weight divisions
That would solve the nonsense we are reading on here
Nonsense introduced by who?
And why?
Then there are all the “experts” on here – all expert on others people’s lives and circumstances
One message
Shut the fuck up and keep your nose in your own life (or should that be sewer?)
nath:
Last year our primary school gave out the recorders to the year 3s the week before lockdown began.
Questions were asked.
as reported before morrison and co do not make there own policies they follow the stratigy of crozbey textor when crozbey told johnson to use trans gender and anti wokenis as a dead cat then morrison said similar things to save votes crozbey also behind the anti asylum seekers 2001 to get the one nation vote johnson stupidly famously wrote a article in uk spectator exxplaining that Crosbeys success happes from turning people against each other wege polits uk context brecksit asylum seekers trans gender and when ever his side is in troube a dead cat is thrown on the table to distract media atention
Looks like another great investment by Murdoch.
Mexicanbeemer
If I remember correctly, the US has a census blind spot where Arabs and Iranians are considered white. Which is hilarious given, you know, the entire Bush era.
no pm has followed crozbeys groups advice moor then pm he has used a lot of dead cats the raceist i d card law, religis discrimination gladis running in waringa, the fork lifts fore 16 year olds and many mooor same as whiy johnson is going on about asylum seekers being sent to wawonda staff wize morrisons fixer Yaribn finklestene worked foore ct for 10 years so did liberal fed derector andrew hurst, ironic that lyne is run that albanese is gaf prone and lacks expirence when johnson is a bumbling fool who broke covid laws and had multiple parties and tories to gutles to sack him mcgrath was lutenant of crozbys for years before becoming a senator joshnson campaign manager helpt camble numan
“Are scrutineers paid for thier role on election night ?”
Labor ones aren’t! Although I did have to go to a few of the $1k a head dinners to fill in a seat at the table or because noone would sit next to x who had already paid his $1k
“I am scrutineering at my booth this election and I have done it before and never been paid. The party throws a party afterwards and that’s close enough.”
If you pick the wrong booth the party is over before you ring through the notional ttp count numbers!
Last election there was zero chance I was going to a party when I’d just seen Christian Porter tie a booth he should have lost by 10% only to get out and find SfM had won.
JayCsays:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:35 pm
Steely Dan,
As the father of a trans daughter. I actually think you’re confusing gender with sexuality…they are rather different. And I’m not being condescending. I was also unaware.
As a parent, you don’t expect your child will be trans. It comes as a slight surprise! And I assure you, no parent would support a child taking hormone blockers/replacements and potentially later surgery, if they had a small doubt of their gender. It is hard being trans after transitioning in our world, but it’s even harder being trans and not transitioning. My point is, this is a decision parents don’t take lightly. Do you think parents do this for fun? Perhaps you’re not aware that there are not multiple years of psychologists and specialists involved before treatments commence?
In my lived experience, gender is far less fluid over time than sexuality. Understanding one’s sexuality often involves exploration, which takes time.
But once a person notices that they are stuck living in a body of the opposite sex….it’s is kind of permanent and requires less exploration and is therefore more fixed.
Hope this helps. Most of this I didn’t know myself not that long ago.
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Thank you for your post.
I was not confusing the two I was trying to make a point about not knowing everything about yourself at such a young age and I agree that gender would not be anywhere near as fluid. You make a very good point as a parent you know your child and would not make this decision without an incredible amount of thought.
The word bigot and the like is thrown around far to quickly it stifles debate gets peoples backs up and before you know it because us and them and both sides start using language that simply does more harm.
eill try to improve sbelling hopefuly my poasts can be more readable onDead cats deaves is ddesigned toappeel to the hill song crowd there stratigy is to turn peopolerise the electrit pushing labor to the left to turn people against each other and win by fear an other dead cat is the anti sematizm lyne crozbey is also the brains beghind the tories in uk and over 30 other countries new lea atwater trump borrowed the c t formular to win in 2016 wish labor could win on a progresive platform libs are allowed to apeel to there base but labor has to water down there policies and suck up to the murdocrasy by tolerating abuse from hadley and coashame negative gearing was abandond but franking credits was a step to far
“Are scrutineers paid for thier role on election night ?”
Only if scrutineering for Clive Palmer.
somethinglikethat says:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:03 pm
Barrie seems to
have a nice perspective on Piers
Barrie Cassidy
@barriecassidy
Just goes to show no matter how much you advertise if the product is rubbish it won’t sell.
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Steelydan
One reason there is so much hostility is that it’s not at all hard to find trans people who have been disowned or kicked out of home by their parents with the justification of “concern”. There’s a large degree of bitterness in the community because of this, it’s very hard to swallow if you’ve had that happen to yourself or someone you care about.
So there’s definitely paranoia about bigots, but it comes from some very rough personal experiences.
i am a labor suporter but the liberal suporters i talk to no one cares about trans gender to borrow a faverite of the anti marige equality crowd voters are more concerned about cost of living it would be better to avoid distracting from the record inflation cost of living as were proving crozbey dead cats work china labor seemsanother one manty small l libs pro usiness but progresive on social ishues will drift away as they have shut out the moderits andno longer a broad church only acsept conservative views no room in party for likes of Petro goergio or mcfee frydenberg a pragmatist chalinged him in 2006 with downer and dutons strong suport
Glass of Cab Sav is going down well this evening!
C@tmomma, sorry to hear about your car.
Let’s hope it’s not too wet so you can bask in the sunshine, hair waiving in the breeze at 100km/h!
“The word bigot and the like is thrown around far to quickly it stifles debate gets peoples backs up and before you know it because us and them and both sides start using language that simply does more harm.”
Absolute bollocks if people and the media had fought back against the lies and smears against refugees consistently from when Howard kicked of the snowball of hate with the chuldren overboard we may never have build concentration camps, we may have never condoned torture, death and crimes against humanity the way we did.
We need to fight hateband bigotry harder and sooner, platforming the ridiculous lies and disguises the hate uses just furthers its cause and reduces us all. You know to the point where a majority of Australians supported torturing and killing refugees.
The recorder at the conclusion of Springsteen’s song Sandy is wonderful.
Tweet from Eddy Jokovich tonight, make of this what you will:
Liberal insider tells me Wentworth gone, not North Sydney (too many candidates), Mackellar an outside chance of being lost. Say it’s a reflection of what happened in Willoughby byelection. They’re from Sydney but think Goldstein gone, Kooyong possibly, but can’t be sure.#ausvotes
Another Liberal insider from Melbourne claims the following Liberal seats are dodgy for them this time: Chisholm, Goldstein, Kooyong, Higgins, Flinders.
think Peirs morgin will fail over hear just like he did on CNN similar to paul henry in new zelland when murdock bought him out hear to go on about these culture wars on chanel 10
even in the sky news target audience Morgan would be not rait well because of his famous interview with Craig keley when he attaced morrisons lack of action on climate change and bush fires saying were a need to act on climate emergentsy and him self as pro labor on uk tv but now is presenting him self as a reactionery
Catherine Deves was on Ben Fordham’s 2GB program this morning being lauded for her courageous against the evil forces of Twitter, I imagine she’ll have the rusted on 2GB audience in Warringah voting for her but Zali Steggell will increase her majority overall. Will Deves get some of the religiously conservative vote for Liberal candidates in Western Sydney seats? Doubt it myself.
On the subject of La Nina, in Sydney it’s rained on 119/181 days (average 4 or 5 days a week) days since the “Wet Season” began early in November. In that six months there’s been over 1600 mm of rain (~ 64”). That’s about the same as an average Darwin wet season, but unlike Darwin, there’s no end in sight for ours.
If your ‘important civil discussion’ about anything is based in fear and hate and is for partisan political advantage and it kills kid you are doing it wrong. You are the problem.
CarefullyRushed at 10.18pm re hair flowing in the breeze…
Every so often I see a long-haired woman on a motorcycle, hair draped over her jacket. When she’s traveling at some speed, her hair flicks about and I think “Split ends!”
I started motorcycling with medium length hair. I grew it longer so I could stuff it down the back of my jacket to PREVENT it from flowing in the breeze.
Just sayin’…
Evan @ #789 Friday, April 29th, 2022 – 10:21 pm
Just listened to the Chisholm debate with Gladys Liu. Avoided answers, tried to change subjects, misleading (the host told her so a couple of times). Probably won’t lose any rusted ons, but certainly won’t gain votes and probably lost the swinging voters. Shady operator who didn’t know her portfolio as an MP.
Evan you can add Curtin as another seat in danger of being lost to a teal.
Desert Qlder says:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:58 pm
For you Upnorth:
We don’t just like it,
we love it!
We don’t just like it,
we love it!
The people, the places
the mates, the faces.
The XXXX! Yep!
The beer up here,
We love it up here
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The Janice Crosio Fan Club says:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:17 pm
UpNorth Pissheadbloke aka Evan
Real Labor supporters drink “Cold Gold” KB none of this XXXX rubbish
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WeWantPaul says:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:20 pm
“UpNorth Pissheadbloke aka Evan
Real Labor supporters drink “Cold Gold” KB none of this XXXX rubbish”
Given the amount of pain and disappointment involved surely ALP supporters must drink 150 lashes and naught else.
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C@tmomma says:
Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:23 pm
Well, I drink cider. So bite me!
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The great beer and cider wars – eerily reminiscent of the RGR wars that still rage on PB.
When I was a young kid I used to travel from Bobawabba to Charters Towers for the Goldfield Ashes. It is the largest Cricket Carnival in the world (Universe). Now “The Towers” gets bloody hot and the carnival is held over the Australia Day holiday.
Our skipper was a bit of a larrikan and didn’t mind a drink on a hot day. Tall neck VB (Green Death) was his preferred choice. One particularly warm afternoon (about 42c in the shade) we were fielding.
At drinks I had a nice cold tin of Kirks Lemonade, being a young fella straight from the esky. The skipper however reached into the boot of his Kingswood and pulled out a hot VB Tallie, knocked the top off and drank as quick as you can say “Sir Johannes Bjelke-Petersen”.
Skip must have seen the look of wonderment on my face and said “it’s ok son, it didn’t burn me lips”.
just on the buling of the teels by the liberal party cheer squad and frydenberg how come no one is presureing former liberal member craig kelly who he will support t in a hung parliament or cater why only the candadates trying to unseet liberals very disapointing that Renshaw would gang up on tink in north sydney labor needs to stop attacking other progresives like the greens and teels better to have greens holding ballence of power in sennate then liberal party fronts like hanson and palmer which will block every think remember first Rudd year labor must stop selling out and being lib light and not acting on left wing ishues to keep 2gb happysuch as climate negative gearing etc im anoyed about ets but argument that tels could help libs as labor would win majority if not for them
Tom: Gladys Liu was pretty terrible in that debate, only won last time because of some dodgy election signs in Mandarin as I recall that appeared to be from the AEC.
Chisholm surely should be the first Labor gain off the Libs on May 21.
CarefullyRushed @ #785 Friday, April 29th, 2022 – 10:18 pm
Me too. Eventually. It may not happen overnight but it will happen. 🙂