The Australian had follow-up results from the weekend Newspoll on Tuesday showing how the two leaders compared on nine attributes, with accompanying tables neatly comparing the results to 14 earlier following the same template going back go 2008. It is characteristic of such results to move in lock step with a leader’s overall approval rating, and these are no exception, with Scott Morrison’s position deteriorating by between eight (arrogant up from 52% to 60%) and sixteen (likeable down from 63% to 47%) points since April, while Anthony Albanese’s movements ranged from positive two (arrogant from 40% to 38%) to negative four (trustworthy from 48% to 44% and experienced from 64% to 60%).
The result is that both leaders are at or near the weakest results yet recorded on a range of measures. Scott Morrison had the worst results yet recorded for either a Prime Minister or Opposition Leader on “understands the major issues” (52%) and “cares for people” (50%) and the worst for a Prime Minister on trustworthy (42%). However, he has the consolation that Anthony Albanese’s results were hardly better at 54%, 56% and 44% respectively. Both also scored poorly on being in touch with voters, at 41% for Morrison and 46% for Albanese, while landing well clear of the 33% Tony Abbott recorded a few weeks after the Prince Phillip knighthood. Conversely, Albanese’s arrogant rating of 38% is the lowest yet recorded, comparing with a middling 60% for Morrison.
Other news:
• A Liberal preselection vote on the weekend for the eastern Melbourne fringe seat of Casey, which will be vacated with the retirement of Tony Smith, was won by Aaron Violi, executive with a company that provides online ordering services to restaurants and a former staffer to Senator James Patterson. The Age reports Violi won the last round of the ballot by 152 votes to 101 ahead of Andrew Asten, principal of Boston Consulting Group and former ministerial chief-of-staff to Alan Tudge, with the last candidate excluded being Melbourne City councillor Roshena Campbell. Earlier reports suggested Campbell and Violi to be aligned with state Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien and party president Robert Clark, while Asten is in the rival Josh Frydenberg/Michael Sukkar camp.
• A Roy Morgan poll, using its somewhat dubious SMS survey method, produced very strong results for the Labor government in Victoria, which was credited with a 58-42 lead on two-party preferred, compared with 57.3-42.7 at the 2018 election. The primary votes were Labor 43%, Coalition 31% and Greens 11%. A forced response question on Daniel Andrews found 60.5% approving and 39.5% disapproving. The poll was conducted last Thursday from a sample of 1357.
Bloody ridiculous.
Bushfire Bill @ #1469 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 3:58 pm
Labor wasted 6 yrs with Littlefinger when Albanese was ready to go and Labor people preferred him.
The Labor rank and file had it right back in 2013.
Bushfire Bill,
HI shares a birthday with Joe Biden! 🙂
Bloos says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:41 am
Firefox says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:36 am
Labor absolutely will not and must not align themselves with the Greens on these or other important matters. The Greens are an albatross hoping to sling themselves around Labor’s neck.
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I’m afraid Bloos that that is not really much of an answer to Firefox. Do you think that Labor aligning itself with the Coalition is better?
I can understand why Labor sometimes does this, not wanting to open itself to scare campaigns around refugees, budget deficits and alleged climate action-related job losses. It is a complex situation for a party which seriously positions itself to win elections. The Greens are in the comfortable position of having no chance of forming government.
But as a Labor Party supporter and member, I am not always happy with positions it takes and I am not afraid to say so.
To merely diss the Greens and say you don’t want to know them is not a satisfactory response.
Rex is a Bandt supporter.
What is a ‘fair’ top tax rate for the wealthy is open for discussion.
The rate for those on $425,000 (equivalent) in 1951 was 75 percent….that to me seems about fair. Classical ‘Smith’ economics would say someone on that amount gets little marginal utility or enjoyment out of every extra dollar above that, and therefore the next dollar of their income should go to charity/ redistribution.
🙂
The Liberal/Nationals have openly declared they want to impose the cashless card on pensioners and welfare recipients. See Lizzie’s post above.
How big a step will it be for the LNP to extend the use of the card to superannuants?
It’s in their DNA.
Labor would be well advised to focus group this angle and then publicize the information to the electorate in the most effective manner.
Of course they will deny it, but, as BB says, who can trust or believe them any more?
T
Large numbers of mobile individuals would simply shift their home overseas.
Torchbearer
Perhaps more important than the exact rate is ensuring that it can’t be avoided. I think we need to be a bit more clever than the current income assessment.
Beorwar
One thing you cannot escape is transactions in Australian dollars. If you don’t do that you genuinely aren’t living/doing business here.
Cud Chewer..thats true as well, but the rate is not unimportant.
My ‘income’ was the lowest in my life when I was buying 3 Sydney properties. I even qualified for the low income earners bonus at tax time! Ridiculous.
Sir Henry Parkes says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:15 pm
Bloos says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:41 am
Firefox says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:36 am
Labor absolutely will not and must not align themselves with the Greens on these or other important matters. The Greens are an albatross hoping to sling themselves around Labor’s neck.
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I’m afraid Bloos that that is not really much of an answer to Firefox. Do you think that Labor aligning itself with the Coalition is better?
Labor cannot be on the same page as the Greens. Iron rule. Labor cannot afford to be cast by the LNP or the Greens as lite-Green. The Greens try to depict themselves as the progressive shadow wing of Labor. This is very damaging to Labor. Green tactics leave Labor less tactical room. So be it. The solution is win elections and provide strong majority rule. The Greens will try their best to prevent that. This is an existential necessity for them. In order to win, Labor must avoid being conflated with the Greens. Albo is doing a good job in that respect.
rhwombat says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 2:59 pm
Thanks rh…..very interesting.
Nickosays:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 3:50 pm
“This is a good example of inequality increasing if anything else.”
So what? If my neighbour wins the $60 million Powerball Jackpot next Thursday I am no worse off because the sudden increase in inequality.
The ABC has made quite a feature of Chantal, the baker, who has chosen to quit rather than get the COVID vaccine, mandatory for 75% of WA’s workforce.
Fulvio Sammut @ #1700 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:19 pm
Every time I see this come up – like this morning I am posting to facebook.
It is the perfect scare campaign as;
a) no one wants it to happen bar a few frwnj. Maybe for jobseeker but not beyond that.
b) as BB says, no one can or will trust the denials any longer – if they actually deny it.
c) the evidence for the card is very shaky if not non existent
Torchbearersays:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:23 pm
“My ‘income’ was the lowest in my life when I was buying 3 Sydney properties. I even qualified for the low income earners bonus at tax time! Ridiculous.”
How is that ridiculous? You were claiming tax deductible expenses for spending the money on interest and other costs. Unless you were defrauding the Tax Department and not spending it on deductible expenses.
Albanese would have matched up really well against Turnbull in 2016, given all the turmoil and bulldust at the time.
The Labor factions really f’d up by installing Shorten against the wishes of the rank and file.
lizzie @ #1410 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:08 pm
Don’t we have laws that cover threats and intimidation any more!?!
Anyway, whilst not meaning to minimise the actual death threats anyone has received, they all seem to be made by cowards over the internet. Of course, until someone who has a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock acts on the brainwashing. Nevertheless, for all their bluff and bluster, how many of our ‘Manly Men’ in the Neo Nazi movement have done anything other than go out to the country and play pretend?
Also, I clearly remember Tradie #1, Scottie Cam, was loudly and proudly promoting vaccination. Did he receive any death threats? I’d imagine not because the gutless wonders that make these threats revere him and wouldn’t say boo! to him. It’s too easy for them to pick on someone who is an ‘other’, like Ernie Dingo.
Cud Chewer says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:20 pm
“Perhaps more important than the exact rate is ensuring that it can’t be avoided. I think we need to be a bit more clever than the current income assessment.”
OK, genius – how. Who is avoiding tax and how?
Rex Douglas @ #1428 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:39 pm
Shorten was ambitious and wouldn’t stop undermining any leader until he got his go. Now he’s had two bites of the cherry, he’s had to get back in his box.
Bushfire Bill at 3:58 pm
For Morrison I think there is more than a little ‘Pastor’ a la Happy Clapper style in how he sees himself.
Chantal is kidding herself.
Torchbearer says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:17 pm
“The rate for those on $425,000 (equivalent) in 1951 was 75 percent”
And there’s very good reasons why it isn’t that now.
Come off it- Bucephalus, I was buying millions in real estate and gaining a benefit designed for people who can’t put food on the table. That is utterly ridiculous creative accounting (not of my making. And I didn’t even have to claim this, it was automatically given at tax time)
Cut the crap about my ‘suffering’ the burden of property purchasing ‘costs’! If I can buy multiple investment properties I don’t need tax payer funded income support. Talk about middle class welfare.
lizzie @ #1425 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:37 pm
Chantal also doesn’t care whether she contracts COVID-19 and gets very sick herself, after the WA border re-opens, or gets it and passes it on to someone who may become very ill and possibly die from it. Very selfish is Chantal.
Torchbearer @ #1499 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:43 pm
You’re displaying basic human decency.
poroti @ #1432 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 4:41 pm
And more than a dash of ham actor.
Tricot says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 3:56 pm
“If only the “risk takers” would take the down side as well as the upside”
There’s plenty that have, do and will continue to do so in the future.
Tricotsays:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 3:56 pm
“The false premise is the so-called “Perfect Market” from which all goodness comes.”
Who says that? Who?
Frankly, if I was buying bread from Chantal, I’d be more concerned of the risk of ingesting some of the ink rubbing off her arms onto the product, than of catching Covid.
Nickosays:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 3:50 pm
“This is rubbish, government doesn’t use taxes to pay for “services” or “infrastructure””
We’ve got a live one here.
Why do we pay taxes then?
To pass it on to Gerry Harvey of course ..!
Torchbearer says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:43 pm
“Come off it- Bucephalus, I was buying millions in real estate and gaining a benefit designed for people who can’t put food on the table. That is utterly ridiculous creative accounting (not of my making. And I didn’t even have to claim this, it was automatically given at tax time)
Cut the crap about my ‘suffering’ the burden of property purchasing ‘costs’! If I can buy multiple investment properties I don’t need tax payer funded income support. Talk about middle class welfare”
You either had extremely low personal living expenses or you were incorrectly reporting your income and tax deductions. Which was it?
Rex Douglas says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:53 pm
Despite your failed attempt at humour you correctly answer my question – it is to fund the services provided by the government and paay for assets or pay off debt.
I have no idea what Nicko thinks we pay taxes for if it isn’t any of those things.
Morrison feels the frustration of those who can only make death threats, of those Australians who were stranded by his travel mandates, of those Australians who died while waiting for his vaccines to arrive, and of those Australians whose spending is controlled by the Indue card.
Herald Sun article on Pollies getting additional security.
State MPs are adding extra security arrangements amid fears the pandemic laws have become a “lightning rod for a tiny fringe of disaffected Victorians”.
Most of the comments were wtte of so what, or are the taxpayers covering the cost.
Hello Bucephalus. I think it’s fair to say that for most high-wealth Australians, the basis of their wealth consists of super, property investments, and direct share market investments.
With super, you and your partner can hold $3.4 million before tax kicks in. Do you think it’s fair that there should be no tax on balances that high?
There are very generous tax deductions available on property investment. Do you think it’s fair that you can claim depreciation on property as a tax deduction, when in the real world properties appreciate in value?
A wealthy couple can organise share ownership in the name of a person with zero taxable income, so that company tax they didn’t pay is gifted to them as additional income stream on top of dividends. Do you think that’s fair?
What’s the logic in allowing a 50% reduction in CGT, compared to taxing income earned from other sources?
I’m all for reducing personal income tax rates, including for those on middle incomes as well as low incomes. I’d love to see company tax come down, to make Australia a more attractive location for investment. I’d love to see stamp duty abolished and payroll tax reduced or if possible abolished. But none of these things can happen unless the tax system is re-jigged so the total tax take stays about the same. High wealth Australians should contribute their fair share of tax. Not just as a matter of social equity, but also to improve the functioning of the economy.
“Every time I see this come up – like this morning I am posting to facebook.
It is the perfect scare campaign as;
a) no one wants it to happen bar a few frwnj. Maybe for jobseeker but not beyond that.
b) as BB says, no one can or will trust the denials any longer – if they actually deny it.
c) the evidence for the card is very shaky if not non existent”
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You just have to hope that everyone forgets that Labor (wait for it…) teamed up with the Coalition in the first place to start the trials of the Indue card scam. Sure, they have changed their tune now, but how many people have suffered on these trials in the meantime?
This reminds me of a well meaning but very information poor Labor voter who I used to know on Facebook. They’d often set their profile pic to different Labor slogans or ads, one of which was calling out Liberal voters for being responsible for the Indue card. I was too kind to point out that while they were absolutely correct about the Liberals being responsible, little did they know that their beloved ALP shared some of the blame too.
So yes, it is good that Labor have finally woken up to this scam, but it should never have gotten to this stage. It’s yet another reminder of why Labor should not support terrible Coalition policies in the first place.
The Greens have been opposed to the card from day one and have been warning Labor over and over again not to get involved in this Liberal scam. I even remember warning you lot on here about it years ago.
The top marginal rate should be 50%. Half for the individual, half for the society which enables, supports, and defends their life of ease, or excess, or easy excess; whichever they prefer. That’s fair.
Bull. The part about responsibility and risk, anyways. CEO’s face almost zero accountability or personal liability/risk. The people at risk are shareholders who may lose value on their investment, and employees who will lose their jobs if the gamble doesn’t pay off. CEO’s routinely risk those things, many couldn’t care less about the eventual outcome, and almost none of them ever face any personal consequences for poor decision-making. The smart ones outsource their decision making to domain experts, making them basically highly compensated figureheads.
I have shares, term deposits and a superannuation pension. The latter comprises part income, which used to be taxable like wages or interest, plus a part return of capital. However, since the Howard Government vandalised the superannuation and tax systems, the income portion is tax-free.
My income from the shares and term deposits falls below the tax-free threshold. I don’t qualify for the age pension and wouldn’t claim a part pension even if I could, I’d still be well off enough to be able to avoid being stuffed around by Centrelink.
However, I do qualify for the “low income” tax rebate, which I get automatically when I do my tax return in which I have disclosed every cent of my income. Not only that but I get free money by way of unused franking credits. Absurd.
Firefox @ #1842 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 2:14 pm
It seems you are against acquiring knowledge and responding to that new knowledge.
“State MPs are adding extra security arrangements amid fears the pandemic laws have become a “lightning rod for a tiny fringe of disaffected Victorians”.”
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The nonsense going on down in Vic at the moment is getting pretty alarming actually. If anything it seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on.
Using the internet people can now create cults without compounds.
The major risk that most CEOs and senior executives of large corporations face is that they might stuff things up and end up being paid a couple of million dollars to bugger off.
“It seems you are against acquiring knowledge and responding to that new knowledge.”
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Nope just against supporting terrible conservative policies. We didn’t need a trial to know that the Coalition likes to demonise the poor.
Furthermore, we did not need a trial to know that giving a contract to Indue – an organisation with deep ties to the Coalition – was a recipe for disaster. It was obvious from the very beginning…
Indue and conservative politics
The Indue company has existed in some form for 50 years but more recently, has developed a range of tentacles that reach out to a range of political players, primarily within the conservative domain. The most prominent of these is the former National Party MP and current Federal President, Larry Anthony.
During the time of the Howard government, Anthony was the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, and after losing his seat at the 2004 federal election, became a director of ABC Learning, the corporatised childcare provider that attracted a wide range of Liberal Party operatives and MPs, including Peter Dutton, Paul Neville, Sally Ann Atkinson and Mal Brough.
Through the 50 per cent childcare subsidy provided by the federal government, ABC Learning reached a market capitalisation of $2.5 billion, before it collapsed in 2010, leaving many children without access to early childhood services and childcare. This was an absolute disaster of policy, and a failure of government to adequately oversee funding of an essential social service. The 570 services managed by ABC Learning when it collapsed were subsequently taken over by the not-for-profit provider, GoodStart.
The experience of ABC Learning exists as a reminder to government that essential social services and welfare, when coupled with the private sector, are a poisonous well, and opening up these services attracts a wide range of opportunists, grifters, shysters and corporate criminals.
But it seems the mistakes from the past are on track to be repeated with Indue and the cashless welfare card system, and some of the players behind the ABC Learning disaster are set to re-appear. If there is largesse to be found and delivered from the government to the private sector, just like National MP Barnaby Joyce, Larry Anthony is never too far away. Anthony was the deputy chairman of Indue up until 2013 but his trust company, Illalangi, still owns substantial shares in Indue.
https://newpolitics.com.au/2019/08/28/indue-and-the-small-matter-of-political-corruption/
Bloos says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:23 pm
Sir Henry Parkes says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:15 pm
Bloos says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:41 am
Firefox says:
Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:36 am
Labor absolutely will not and must not align themselves with the Greens on these or other important matters. The Greens are an albatross hoping to sling themselves around Labor’s neck.
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I’m afraid Bloos that that is not really much of an answer to Firefox. Do you think that Labor aligning itself with the Coalition is better?
Labor cannot be on the same page as the Greens. Iron rule. Labor cannot afford to be cast by the LNP or the Greens as lite-Green.
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Does that mean that Labor should not vote with the Greens in the Senate to block the government’s anti-democratic voter identification law? Should Labor refuse to speak up for the lawyer Bernard Collaery and others facing secret trials for revealing dirty espionage secrets, just because the Greens are also doing it? What about the Murugappan Tamil refugee family wanting to make Biloela their home? Maybe Labor should support repealing unfair dismissal laws, because, you know, the Greens oppose that.
I think the Labor Party should refuse to be defined by some mindless scare campaign about being painted Green-lite and worry about more being thought of as Liberal-lite.
Phalus
There is a whole industry giving advice and seeking rulings from the ATO for the express purpose of minimising and extinguishing tax liabilities
This includes the availing of off shore tax havens, off shore transactions, related loans, Trust establishments, asset write down advice and the list goes on and on
How do you think public and private Companies got onto the gravy train that was JOBkeeper so quickly?
And the expense for such advice is tax deductible
Compare the above with the average Australian paying the marginal tax rate with no relief
And in regards the often mentioned DNA of reducing tax, Menzies increased both Company and personal tax rates
Holt was his treasurer
This is a fact never responded to by the rusted on right wingers of which you are one
David Rowe.
Firefox @ #1848 Sunday, November 21st, 2021 – 2:37 pm
Your ability to know outcomes before an event is truly breathtaking.
You should outsource yourself to companies and research institutions and allow them to forego costly research in their quest for something novel.