As reported by The Australian, the normally stable Newspoll series has recorded a solid bump in favour of Labor, who now lead 53-47 on two-party preferred, out from 51-49 at the previous poll three weeks ago. The Coalition and Labor are both on 39% of the primary vote, which is a two-point drop for the Coalition and a two-point gain for Labor, with the Greens down one to 10% and One Nation steady on 3%.
Scott Morrison is down four points on approval to 51% and up four on disapproval to 45%, while Anthony Albanese is respectively down two to 38% and up one to 46%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is at 51-33, narrowing from 53-33 last time. The Australian’s report also relates that approval of Morrison’s handling of the pandemic is down nine to 52% (UPDATE: disapproval is up nine to 45%), and that the government now records a net negative rating on handling of the vaccine rollout for the first time, with approval down 10 points to 40% and disapproval up 11 to 57%.
The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1506.
Did I miss Kerry Chant talking about the number of cases infectious in the community?
7 days I think.
But crikey how different does Marshall sound to Berejiklian! Stay home. Stay put. Dont move around. Dont mess with this. Get tested. All of state.
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Bystandersays:
Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:07 am
GG posted
Bystander,
You could argue that NSW shutting construction is harsher than what has happened elsewhere.
Vic building industry remained operational even during the long lockdown we experienced last year and is operating now.
True, but Fordham seemed to be arguing more widely than that. The underlying problem in NSW at the moment IMO is that they are still struggling with the realisation that the ‘gold standard’ accolades they have been fed by Morrison and Gladys since the pandemic began are all bullshit and always were. Sooner or later their luck had to run out and now it has.
People like Fordham would do much better to recognise that fact and encourage the NSW people to cop it on the chin and do whatever is necessary to get through this crisis. At least Gladys has started doing that now.
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It is very hard for people to accept that they made a mistake and they need course correction. That needs one to be honest with themselves and have humility to do so.
Kezza2
There is no accounting for stupidity.
We have only had 18 months of this shit show to know the drill.
Welcome to the club SA. Stay safe.
SA PBers
SA to lockdown from 6 pm today
It was the close contact, in the greek restaurant, with the singing!
That might work but in the meantime there will be a lot of pissed off builders, tradies, suppliers (especially small companies) who might remember the shut down at election time.
guytaur says:
Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:17 am
Recon
Those saying manufacturing in Australia is impossible like you are is living in fantasy land.
We can have high wages and local manufacturing.
You do not have to be a nationalist to hold this view.
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If it made economic sense for Australia to have extensive manufacturing then we would have it already. The government propping up Industries through either tariffs or subsidies is what we had before Keating reformed the economy. And our Industries were inefficient non-exporting archeology sites that just meant that Australians were paying higher prices for goods than they should have been.
7 days extension for Victoria.
Bushfire Bill at 11:15 am
They may be concerned about audience numbers and so advertising revenue. Back in the day in the construction industry I went to a lot of sites. Every fecking one had our local redneck radio station blaring out on site. Pensioners and ‘tradies’ would have been ‘core demographics’ for the station. Same for 2GB ? The only music stations I came across being played were on v small sites with about 1-4 people.
Victoria @ #1060 Tuesday, July 20th, 2021 – 11:24 am
with Sydney quote “out of control” unquote !
Briefly
I think Labor went too far down the neoliberal road. They were the times.
To be very clear Labor keeping Universal Medicare. Floating the dollar resulting in productivity increase was great. So was deregulating the banks. I would say too far as the Banking Royal Commission has shown.
Australia is in far better shape as a result of Labor in the 80’s than the UK and the US.
I want to see us more in the Scandinavian models. Remembering they are under the EU economic structure.
Marieke Hardy
@mariekehardy
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SA going into lockdown, Vic extending lockdown, NSW still with 27 infectious in the community. Perfect time for
@ScottMorrisonMP
to post a fun social media picture of what he’s cooking for dinner
Itzadream
Having 27 still infectious in community is unhelpful in NSW. Although I am still unclear as to the context of this.
Recon
It’s very simple. It’s not the black and white choice you keep painting it as.
We still had a car industry post Keating. No protectionism or nationalism involved. It was this neo liberal government that killed the car industry.
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Reconsays:
Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:14 am
Those who imagine a future where Australian manufacturing stuns the world are essentially nationalists. These people take the Olympics far too seriously, anxiously watching our gold medal tally, they often fantasize about Australia possessing an Aircraft Carrier and they probably yearn for a bigger penis.
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Governments of both persuasions say they want technological development for whatever reason.
And indigenous technological development is not possible without manufacturing. It is just astonishing that Australia is a developed country based on agricultural and mining produce. How long can we can continue like that with climate change affecting farming and running out of things to dig up from the soil in not to distant future.
Juliette O’Brien
@juliette_io
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Fewer cases today But smaller percentage in iso
This shows contact tracers are not getting to cases and it is not really improving
This is directly linked to restrictions continuing. If CTs are not getting to cases, movement must stay limited
#covidnsw #COVID19Aus
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Juliette O’Brien
@juliette_io
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⚫️ 37/ 78 NSW cases today in iso / quarantine for *full* infectious period
47% in iso
11/07 – 42%
12/07 – 43%
13/07 – 62%
14/07 – 62%
15/07 – 45%
16/07 – 47%
17/07 – 62%
18/07 – 66%
19/07 – 55%
20/07 – 47%
#covidsydney #covid19nsw #COVID19Aus #SydneyLockdown #covidnsw
guytaur says:
Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:28 am
Recon
It’s very simple. It’s not the black and white choice you keep painting it as.
We still had a car industry post Keating. It was this neo liberal government that killed the car industry.
No protectionism involved.
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WTF. Both Labor and Liberal kept subsidising the car industry until recently. It was definitely protection. The reason why Keating didn’t remove this area of protection was because of Union pressure on Caucus. It cost the public untold billions to prop it up.
Going off of the FiveThirtyEight aggregate, Biden’s current approval ratings look pretty decent compared to his immediate predecessors at this point in their terms. They are significantly better than Trump’s, a bit worse than Obama’s, roughly level with W. Bush’s, and a bit better than Clinton’s.
Considering how divided the US political scene is right now, I can’t imagine Biden would be too disappointed with those results.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Recon
Wrong.
Subsidising the car industry was not protection.
It’s a great argument you use for killing government investment in manufacturing.
Just black and white paint all investment as if it’s propping up locals instead of a helping hand. Easier to do when it’s owned by a multinational company. Overlooking the specific benefits of what that investment was for.
A very different argument than is used with defence industries.
Edit: Or the governments much touted Space Industry
If you want to read about the untold billions in government assistance the car industry received over the decades, this is not a bad source:
https://www.afr.com/opinion/bill-scales-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-australian-car-manufacturing-industry-20171018-gz3ky4
Re the car industry and ‘subsidies’ to it. Perhaps BK could elaborate on the value of secondary manufacturing surrounding the car industry and the transfer of skills and tech. I wonder what the $ balance would be then ?
guytaur says:
Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:37 am
Recon
Wrong.
Subsidising the car industry was not protection.
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We had massive tariffs on imported cars for decades. As well as incredible subsidies. How is this not Protection?And of course subsidies are protection, just a different way of making the payment.
Vic
I can understand the community, but the hospitals . . . ?
Wow! Some hard and persistent and fair questioning of the SA health officials and the health minister (who willingly stepped in when the officials appeared to be getting stressed). And a willingness to answer. Not about the decision to lockdown… but the lack of resources for ramping up testing and the lack of backup of ambulance workers due to many of them having to isolate.
‘lizzie says:
Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:05 am
Alastair Nicholson
@alasnich
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The same Department of Home Affairs that fast tracks visas for people like Katie Hopkins is apparently incapable of doing so for Afghans who helped our armed forces and are now in genuine fear of their lives. This is not a situation where bureaucrats should rule.’
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It is Dutton and Morrison who are the culprits here: not the bureaucrats. The solution is blindingly obvious: order the ADF to use its assets to fix the problem immediately.
Recon
I did not mention the tariffs. Just the subsidies.
This thinking by the LNP could explain the cluster bomb of diplomacy failure with China.
Subsidies do not automatically mean protectionism. It’s a word used for government investment
Thank you to BK and Alpha Zero.
Recon @ #1059 Tuesday, July 20th, 2021 – 11:22 am
Largely true. The problem in Australia, as Donald Horne pointed out, is that we have been “lucky” enough to get by for decades needing very little more sophisticated than a shovel, a wheelbarrow, and a waiting bulk carrier.
It is hard to see this changing any time soon.
What Is Protectionism?
Protectionism refers to government policies that restrict international trade to help domestic industries. Protectionist policies are usually implemented with the goal to improve economic activity within a domestic economy but can also be implemented for safety or quality concerns.
Tariffs, import quotas, product standards, and subsidies are some of the primary policy tools a government can use in enacting protectionist policies.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/protectionism.asp
Kezza2
The man from Mildura had gone to the game at the MCG.
He would have been living under a rock if he did not realise after a week that he had been in an exposure site
And then presenting to Mildura hospital after a week in a very sick condition
Did it not dawn on him that he may have contracted the virus.
Who knows.
CC
I never suggested it would be nirvana.
Please don’t verbal me.
You’re being very argumentative even though I feel our positions aren’t that far apart.
Yeah whatever. Your definition of what is protectionism is like a shifting sand dune.
The thing I most appreciated about that Essential poll is that three quarters of Australians have woken up to the fact that every single thing Morrison does is politicized.
EVERY.SINGLE.THING.THEY.TOUCH.
Best wishes to our SA brothers and sisters.
guytar
You’d think someone who didn’t like subsidies to businesses to keep them viable and/or competitive, and to keep them in Australia, to provide employment and ongoing knowledge, to say, the manufacturing industry, to whit car manufacturing, would be up in arms about subsidies to the mining sector and fossil fuel industries.
Neville
@1FightingIrish
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For #COVID19nsw, it’s all about that red line, which is proving fairly stubborn in going down. It’s basically going to be 2 weeks more lockdown *after* that line hits zero.
Are full figures available for the Essential poll yet?
Recon
No unlike you I see the word can and do not think it means must.
Kezza2
Yes. There are many examples of where the government hypocrisy is on full display.
Australia must immediately follow the lead of the EU and the US and slap carbon tariffs on our imports to create a level playing field.
Most of our manufactured imports come from China which emits 28% of the world’s CO2 emissions and 53% of the world’s coal-fired emissions. Both will continue to grow until 2023 and may not cease until after 2060.
We are looking at a hefty and totally fair rebalancing of the trade field with China.
guytaur says:
Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:46 am
Recon
No unlike you I see the word can and do not think it means must.
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You claim government subsidies are not protection. I would argue that everyone else on the planet would disagree with you.
Bushfire Bill @ #322 Tuesday, July 20th, 2021 – 11:15 am
1. You can never be too cynical wrt 2GB.
2. I think Victoria will be out the other side before NSW.
The NSW health department has just reissued a corrected press release on cases that were in isolation and out in the community.
The new numbers are as follows:
37 in isolation
8 partially isolating
21 were infectious in the community
12 cases under investigation
Berejiklian says they are focusing on the number of cases in the community, but obviously partially isolating is not good either.
Recon
Go back and read the definition you posted. The word can not must is used in regards to subsidies. That’s your clue. Your argument is wrong.
The thing I don’t get about the popularity and position of ben Fordham and his ilk, like Ray Hadley, is that they got where they are because of who they knew (in Ben Fordham’s case it was down to his father, John Fordham, being the svengali behind NSW Shockjock Radio, so he got a rails run into it himself), not what they know. Yet they are allowed to pontificate to us and too many times their opinion is believed over expert opinion.
“Green shoots” – drink!
Rex Douglas @ #1086 Tuesday, July 20th, 2021 – 11:14 am
Thanks Rex. We’ll be alright. This lot of pollies and officials seem to have their heads screwed on right and acting without partisan BS.
guytaur says:
Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:50 am
Recon
Go back and read the definition you posted. The word can not must is used in regards to subsidies. That’s your clue. Your argument is wrong.
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OH. you are hanging your hat on the word ‘can’ which you are misrepresenting. the word ‘can’ in this case can also be applied to tariffs in that case. You just can’t accept you made a fool of yourself. It’s ok.