To keep a general discussion post somewhere near the top of the page, I offer the following:
• Paul Osborne of AAP reports the Australian Electoral Commission has confirmed that the draft federal redistributions for Victoria and Western Australia will be published next Friday. The latter has been the subject of particular media attention over the past week, owing to the potential for Christian Porter’s seat of Pearce to be abolished.
• John Anderson, who served in the House of Representatives from 1989 to 2007 and as Nationals leader and Deputy Prime Minister from 1999 to 2005, has announced he will seek preselection for the Nationals-designated number two position on the New South Wales Senate ticket. The position is available as a hangover from the Section 44 debacle, which caused the party to lose a seat to the Liberals in the recount that followed Fiona Nash’s disqualification. It was reported last month that state Nationals leader John Barilaro might also seek the position, though this would seem to be rather optimistic of him.
• Kevin Bonham offers a long-range big-picture account of historical opinion polling, which concludes it would be highly unusual for a federal opposition polling only as well as Labor is right now to actually win an election.
There is a mechanism for reporting adverse events around vaccination and both practitioners and recipients are encouraged to use it. The idea is that you report everything and tease out the significance later, having a view to expected frequency in the population versus the observed and reported events. As has been noted, many things can confound this process.
I suspect this is also at least partially why it has been decreed that the Covid vaccines are not to be given within two weeks of other vaccines – cleaner post-hoc data.
Warrigal and FredNK,
Yes, wise words. It may just be the underlying community rate of pulmonary embolus, and the Scandi countries are only stopping vaccinations as a precaution.
Billie,
That information re AZ is useful but for context to they have the total vaccinations that this data is based on?
It isn’t a blanket AZ ban according to this report.
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Five countries halt use of one batch of AstraZeneca jab after fatal blood clot
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/five-countries-halt-one-batch-194206824.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud2hhdHJlYWxseWhhcHBlbmVkLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACym4cwMeG2izQukVuu1edfTJS2XsUquKL1yOn4s5vyx1MEFwXF60hca1kjuE8FTZEQMTDkYImS0DkOVEqAZIZ3nMh5HGKlgJOTc2JHiRSOaDlXbfZlJUNnXpOiGIiNTzrm3lr8e2z-ceqaASq69S2MhPoSSAVYNp6UPWDQ5oWhS
Douglas and Milko:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:52 am
Although Warrigal appears to think there are few concerns, perceptions mean everything. If I were you, given your family history of blood clotting, I’d hold off until more data becomes available. I’m certainly not getting the vaccine for a while given I suffer from idiopathic angioedema, one of the manifestations of which is a grossly enlarged tongue, sometimes requiring urgent A & E admission. Also relevant is that Australia’s not in the position of many other countries, where C.19 is rampant, thereby providing more time to consider the question.
Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Merrick Garland has just been sworn in as U.S. Attorney General by Vice President Harris.
Game on! Trump molls. 😀
Is Morrison on another RDO?
Player One:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:54 am
[‘Hah! I was going to post yesterday that something along these lines was likely, but I thought I would be shouted down by the PB hive mind.’]
Being shouted down has never concerned you before. Why even contemplate changing?
This cheered me up: women have had it with this shabby bloke protection racket pretending to be our government, and will be surrounding parliament.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/women-unite-in-anger-to-march-on-parliament-and-across-the-nation-20210310-p579bk.html
Socrates says:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 8:48 am
Shellbell
Regarding Porter, is there an argument that he is conflicted in carrying out his duties as AG while the allegations are unresolved? How does he impartially make policy or regulations on sexual assault cases when he has a relevant allegation of assault of his own? This is not to deny his presumption of innocence, but even innocent people facing such allegations would prefer the system made the trying of such allegations as difficult as possible.
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SoKrates in witchfinder-general mode again !
Mavis @ #38 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 8:54 am
Luke Shaw. Member of the Young Nationals and Friends of Joh. Later joined Bob Katters party in some form or another.
IIRC, there was an investigation into the jury selection which found there was insufficient evidence for misconduct or criminal proceedings.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/act-community-solar-farm-opens-in-majura/13238882
Mavis @ #58 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 10:25 am
🙂
Mainly because in the light of yesterday’s pile-on, any intelligent discussion of an energy related issue seemed unlikely. So I thought I would save it for another day – it just so happens that today there are several articles that mention the same idea.
An early contender for conspiracy theory of the year .
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/albany-liberal-candidate-scott-leary-questions-rape-allegation/13237754
lefty_e
The Federal government have REALLY not read the room on this one.
I am marching, and so are many women from the whole political spectrum (week maybe not the Pentecostals and One Nation).
Actually, I will keep an eye out for Jen at Sydney Town Hall, 12 midday, Monday.
Wear black and also wear a mask!
Player One:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:54 am
[‘Mainly because in the light of yesterday’s pile-on, any intelligent discussion of an energy related issue seemed unlikely. So I thought I would save it for another day – it just so happens that today there are several articles that mention the same idea.’]
Fair enough. At first blush, I thought you may have been losing your mojo.
Although Warrigal appears to think there are few concerns, perceptions mean everything.
I hadn’t thought I said that :-).
Player One says:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:54 am
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Perhaps our resident experts here could advise on whether a specific market for such a “back up power” service already exists in any form (the article makes it sound like it doesn’t), or on the feasibility of one being defined. Essentially, paying providers to just have spare generation capacity available even when it may never be needed. Such a market would not be restricted to fossil fuel generators – large hydro, sufficiently widely distributed renewables or multiple big batteries could also potentially compete in such a market at times. But the cost of building them specifically for this purpose (remember this is supposed to be back up capacity) would seem to make it unlikely.
P1. I think I will leave it to AEMO, they have people that put time and effort into modelling this stuff. I would sum it up like this, I know enough to know I know jack shit, you know so little you think you know everything.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjmkYHFr6nvAhW7zzgGHfOFCzkQFjAAegQIAxAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Faemo.com.au%2F-%2Fmedia%2Ffiles%2Felectricity%2Fnem%2Fplanning_and_forecasting%2Finputs-assumptions-methodologies%2F2020%2F2020-forecasting-and-planning-inputs-assumptions-and-scenarios-report-iasr.pdf%3Fla%3Den&usg=AOvVaw28vuPsUL2YahEqG-GuAJhj
At least Paul Broad is the managing director of a company that owns gas peaking plant, he has an excuse to try and bend things in his direction. Still not clear what your excuse is.
https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/generation/gas-diesel/
Having said that, Paul Broad is basically asking the Federal government to do something useful. Chanting coal, coal, coal is not useful. Sorry the chant is now gas, gas, gas.
It has basically got to the point where the nonsense from the Federal government is blocking much needed investment, investment we will need to kick start the company.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/fund-have-1-trillion-to-spend-on-renewables-but-are-scared-of-australias-policy-chaos/
AEMO got side tracked by the governments gas gas gas thingo, but it didn’t last long. Basically the industry is not interested in political bullshit.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/aemo-abandons-plan-to-model-gas-led-recovery-after-idea-panned-by-energy-market/
Have a listen you might lean something:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/video-coal-is-out-batteries-are-in/
FWIW: https://www.9news.com.au/world/covid19-denmark-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-as-precautionary-measure/1b856036-0f83-4336-a477-f1878a2963ce
Read in toto, this reporting suggests that the reported thromboembolic rate is about par for the population, but they’re proceeding with caution.
Meanwhile mates in the US have just had their second dose of the Pfizer and are reporting the very-common fluey reaction.
Douglas and Milko
When these sort of protests are held the organisers should run a survey to find out what percentage of the crowd lives in Liberal electorates because its too easy for the righties to dismiss it as the inner city wokist lefty crowd.
Simon Katich:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 10:33 am
[‘Luke Shaw. Member of the Young Nationals and Friends of Joh. Later joined Bob Katters party in some form or another.
IIRC, there was an investigation into the jury selection which found there was insufficient evidence for misconduct or criminal proceedings.’]
Yes, Shaw was Joe’s man. The link under is a precis of the his trial, extracted from Whitton’s book “The Hillbilly Dictator”. There was a move to retry Joe, but due to his advanced years, the special prosecutor decided against it. If this crook is to believed, his trial sent him broke. It certainly was a bad time in Qld when he ruled the roost.
http://netk.net.au/Whitton/Hillbilly52.asp
Angus Taylor has failed as a politician and energy minister. He should be moved on
https://reneweconomy.com.au/angus-taylor-has-failed-as-a-politician-and-energy-minister-he-should-be-moved-on/
Trouble is he is the best of the C team, who would you replace him with?
Warrigal:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 10:42 am
Mavis said:
[‘Although Warrigal appears to think there are few concerns, perceptions mean everything.’]
Warrigal said:
[‘I hadn’t thought I said that :-).’]
If I’ve misinterpretted you, my apologies.
Interesting quote from the AFR editorial …
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/as-coal-exits-what-will-take-its-place-20210310-p579jq
I would argue that it’s not too late to do this even now. A price on carbon (in any form) would still help, not least by avoiding border taxes on our exports. But also because we still have decades of costly adjustment to come, and pricing carbon would tend to be a “set and forget” factor that slowly pushes investment in the correct direction.
It seems to me that even the fossil fuel Elevators are beginning to understand that this process is now inevitable, and that Australia is now doing itself a disservice both nationally and internationally by denying and delaying any further.
All it requires now is some political will. Which, sadly, is still absent from both major parties. However, the ALP conference is coming up in a few weeks. Which way will Labor flip-flop this time? Will Albo finally stand up for his left faction, or is he now a wholly owned subsidiary of the right?
Frednk @ #70 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:02 am
The Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison administrations have failed as a government and should be moved on.
And Labor doesn’t seem particularly bothered.
Frednk @ #68 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 10:50 am
A really intelligent contribution as always.
The things you find on Twittter!
mundo says:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:07 am
Frednk @ #70 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:02 am
Angus Taylor has failed as a politician and energy minister. He should be moved on
https://reneweconomy.com.au/angus-taylor-has-failed-as-a-politician-and-energy-minister-he-should-be-moved-on/
Trouble is he is the best of the C team, who would you replace him with?
The Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison administrations have failed as a government and should be moved on.
And Labor doesn’t seem particularly bothered.
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I heard Labor was planning an attack on Angus Taylor including even with hostile twitter posts, what happened?
The UK vaccine adverse reactions report should be read in conjunction with the number of vaccinations given to date and the absence of any causative analysis (and often, absence of biological plausibility).
For example, among 23 million or so vaccinations: 794 instances of eye pain, 320 reports of tinnitus (seem to be reported as a side effect of EVERY medication), 7 reports of hypothyroidism – on it goes. Spontaneous reports of all sorts of things that don’t seem have much to do with vaccines that will probably never be causally linked.
lizzie @ #71 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:00 am
That was presumably when he thought CSL could manufacture the vaccine here. Turns out, this is not so easy as they thought. Apparently, Shirko has discovered the one area where we are not the “best in the world” 🙁
Labor quiet now, waiting for Newspoll.
Should it be 51-49 against them or even 50-50 Labor will most likely drop its Porter attacks.
So fickle……..
Player One says:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:07 am
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All it requires now is some political will. Which, sadly, is still absent from both major parties. However, the ALP conference is coming up in a few weeks. Which way will Labor flip-flop this time? Will Albo finally stand up for his left faction, or is he now a wholly owned subsidiary of the right?
Still haven’t read the policy document have you.
P1
The Italians also had yield issues when they started.
My complaint is we are getting bullshit instead of info on how CSL is going.
Lars Von Trier says:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:11 am
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I heard Labor was planning an attack on Angus Taylor including even with hostile twitter posts, what happened?
Why would labor get in the way of the angry articulate women after porters head?
No worries, Mavis – and we’ll all get to watch the roll-out overseas for a couple of weeks yet, at least, before GPs here get hold of the AZ in any meaningful quantity. If anything I think GP practices will be grateful for the patient among their patients, whether said patience is inspired by caution or otherwise …
(The flu shot stampede is usually something else. We get stock and it’s gone in a flash, and you can’t order new stock until you’ve used the last delivery. This will be like that, ramped up, and all the normal things have to happen as well, including the flu vax with that 2 week window effectively doubling presentations. We’re all in the brace position, I assure you. That said, public enthusiasm for public health measures is something I am always just a little bit proud to see. And grateful. Public compliance with lockdowns and all the rest of it is what bought us time. )
It’s a bit of a stretch relating a shot in the arm to cellulitis in the leg.
Shellbellsays:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 8:34 am
What the article leaves out, and this is common in what has been a circling exercise:
(a) is the question of power which Gleeson SC has alluded to twice now;
(b) is the utility of an investigation addressing events of 33 years ago involving children (that is palpably unprecedented) when:
(i) the intention of the now deceased complainant in relation to the complaint can at best be inferred;
(ii) there is no corroboration beyond the sharing of the complaint;
(iii) there appears to be complex medical issues;
(iv) the process is intrusive and just may leave an unsatisfactory trail of enhanced despair;
(v) the AG is emphatic in his denials and the scope for cross-examining him, from an ethical point of view, may be limited to putting what Kate says happened (three separate criminal acts, maybe more) and hearing what he says ie there is no corroborative facts permitting a vigorous cross-examination; and
(c) can this properly be characterised as a fitness hearing when the crime is proven or not and what does that mean in terms of the framing of the questions for determination by the inquiry, level of proof, onus and reasoning?
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I don’t agree with you re the Q of power to hold an enquiry into Porter but otherwise accept the concerns you raise re an enquiry are valid.
On the other hand, whilst the enquiry can be predicted to be a short-lived event in which Porter is exonerated, you never know.
First, would Porter exercise his right to silence? If he did then the political inference would be either (a) he did not wish to lie on oath (as a religious person); or (b) he had something to hide.
Secondly, if Porter did commit the offences alleged then it is possible that the 17 year old rapist might have boasted to his friends of his conquest. Such an admission of promiscuity may well have stayed in those friends minds. Even if he did not admit to rape, the mere proof by admission of sexual intimacy would be inconsistent with his current claim which, rightly, Porter would concede was due dishonesty and not to faulty memory – he claims he would not forget any such thing.
The dishonesty would make him unfit to be AG by itself, even if the enquiry remained unsatisfied a sexual crime had been committed.
I appreciate the above is mere speculation. But the reason to hold an enquiry is to remove such speculation. A private enquiry might also protect the public anonymity of such a source (if they exist) and thereby encourage them to give evidence.
Frednk says:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:18 am
Lars Von Trier says:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:11 am
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I heard Labor was planning an attack on Angus Taylor including even with hostile twitter posts, what happened?
Why would labor get in the way of the angry articulate women after porters head?
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So that attack has been called off? I thought you weren’t allowed to mislead parliament – maybe I am wrong.
So, just as the vaccination targets head south, GHunt also goes on sick leave.
What a gutless bunch of incompetent fools this government is.
Lars Von Trier says:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:21 am
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So that attack has been called off? I thought you weren’t allowed to mislead parliament – maybe I am wrong.
The Liberal have solved that problem, they call in with a medical certificate.
Frednk @ #84 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:14 am
Do you mean the draft platform document that backs gas as a sop to the Elevators? Yes, I have. Apparently you have not. If the document itself is too much for you, you could try this:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/gas-key-to-alps-net-zero-emissions-plan-in-2021-draft-party-platform/news-story/8be9e0b2e7c77857f795cead8c6864ea
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Of course, this policy proposal conflicts with the policies of several of the Labor states, so we will have to wait and see whether it makes it through the conference intact. It could still go either way.
For those with increased risk of thromboembolsim (blood clotting, with risks) there are anticoagulant (blood thinning, with risks) prophylactic options available under appropriate guidance. This is not medical advice.
[‘We’re not home and hosed on the recovery, despite what Morrison says.’]
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/we-re-not-home-and-hosed-on-the-recovery-despite-what-morrison-says-20210311-p579yb.html
Frednk
I stupidly got lured into playing P1’s gas-lie-game yesterday. No matter what evidence we offer that she is incorrect she ignores it and ploughs on with the gas industrie’s BS. It is not a game honest people play.
The first time people do this it might be simple ignorance, but after that it is obviously dishonest. The use of “alternative viewpoints” and “piling on” to evoke sympathy is resorting to tactic B.
I recommend again this recent book by Michael Mann which sums up the tactics of the fossil fuel industry sophists well, and how to fight them:
Mann argues there is no point debating with the sophists at this point. Save your effort for people who are genuinely open to discussion. Current Liberal Party tactics on distorting climate change responses to prop up their fossil fuel donors is specifically described in the book. It is straight out of the US industry playbook.
Socrates @ #96 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:27 am
Yet more intelligent contributions. As always, happy for you to point out anywhere I am incorrect.
Warrigal:
Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:18 am
Thanks, and for the additional info.
ItzaDream @ #405 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:20 am
Having run vaccine trials, in this context “cellulitis” is not the (strictly clinically defined) bacterial skin & soft tissue infection that Hunt had but a non-specific catch-all term for any red skin reaction following exposure – which are very common, and virtually never . Focal cellulitis due to needle-site bacterial contamination is usually classified separately – as it is on the (US) VAERS listing posted.
Still haven’t read the policy document have you.
Do you mean the draft platform document that backs gas as a sop to the Elevators? Yes, I have. Apparently you have not. If the document itself is too much for you, you could try this:
So you don’t know it has moved past the draft stage. I know which of the paragraphs the Australian has chosen to “highlight”; clearly you don’t.
I’m sure you and the Greens will do your best to distort what is written. I did expect a little bit of original effort instead of quoting a Murdoch rag. So be it.