Not the WA election thread

New draft boundaries for Victoria and WA to be unveiled next Friday, plus other matters from the federal sphere.

To keep a general discussion post somewhere near the top of the page, I offer the following:

Paul Osborne of AAP reports the Australian Electoral Commission has confirmed that the draft federal redistributions for Victoria and Western Australia will be published next Friday. The latter has been the subject of particular media attention over the past week, owing to the potential for Christian Porter’s seat of Pearce to be abolished.

• John Anderson, who served in the House of Representatives from 1989 to 2007 and as Nationals leader and Deputy Prime Minister from 1999 to 2005, has announced he will seek preselection for the Nationals-designated number two position on the New South Wales Senate ticket. The position is available as a hangover from the Section 44 debacle, which caused the party to lose a seat to the Liberals in the recount that followed Fiona Nash’s disqualification. It was reported last month that state Nationals leader John Barilaro might also seek the position, though this would seem to be rather optimistic of him.

Kevin Bonham offers a long-range big-picture account of historical opinion polling, which concludes it would be highly unusual for a federal opposition polling only as well as Labor is right now to actually win an election.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. It’s a shame the ALP doesnt appear to be in a position to capitalise on the government shocking woes, personal creepiness, low ethical standards, and near-endless policy failures, on aged care, climate change. You name it: they’re useless at it.

    And does the ALP step up? Nope. Is Albo still with us?

    Time for a new leader. seriously, this is a critical moment for Australia, and the country’s future is more important than whatever factional rubbish saddled us with the Lieutenants of the Rudd/ Gillard dispute; one after the other.

    Also, the secret to winning is a federal leader from QLD. Just sayin! 🙂

  2. Frednk @ #100 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:37 am

    So you don’t know it has moved past the draft stage. I know which of the paragraphs the Australian has chosen to “highlight”; clearly you don’t.

    I’m sure you and the Greens will do yo best to distort what is written. I did expect a little bit of original effort instead of quoting a Murdoch rag. So be it.

    What bollocks you do post when you have been caught out.

    If you with to engage on the issues, I am happy to do so. Otherwise, I think we can all see that your only purpose in posting is to derail any debate.

  3. P1,

    See: https://www.aemo.com.au/energy-systems/electricity/emergency-management/reliability-and-emergency-reserve-trader-rert

    It’s a new program, but an old idea that has been around for at least 40 years.

    Also coming soon to the spot market is the wholesale demand response mechanism: https://www.aemo.com.au/initiatives/trials-and-initiatives/wholesale-demand-response-mechanism

    Plus 5 minute settlement will help manage peak loads: https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/files/electricity/nem/5ms/program-information/2020/5ms-factsheet-updated-july-2020.pdf?la=en

  4. Frednk says:
    Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:24 am

    Lars Von Trier says:
    Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:21 am
    ..
    _______________
    So that attack has been called off? I thought you weren’t allowed to mislead parliament – maybe I am wrong.

    The Liberal have solved that problem, they call in with a medical certificate.
    _________________
    I thought Oppositions attack ? It seems to take up enormous reserves of emotional energy for Labor to go on sort of attack so they peter out after a few pouty tweets. Shame!

  5. Diogenes @ #418 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:39 am

    The main worry with the clots is that the anti vaxxers will seize on it and blow it up.

    Clotting/bleeding is a dynamic balance and is not directly affected by any vaccine. Any vaccine (indeed any treatment or unrelated illness – including surgery) will have an effect on incidence of clinically detectable clots – most of which will have no clinical consequence.

    The question is, as Warrigal has pointed out, what the realrelative incidence is. This takes thousands of post-study exposures to determine . It can’t be short-circuited.

    These “cautions” (particularly over AZ, because it is such a threat to the oligarchs) are all politico/economic theatre – principally over share price. They are bullshit for spinners. Have the bloody vaccine- any vaccine-when one can and stop looking for advantage.

  6. Nathan A, if you’re around, thanks for the link on the previous thread on the self-blinding trial on micro-dosing with psilocybins; fascinating methodology, and there’s that placebo effect again, which I say as a positive.

  7. rhwombat, just for the record, I was speaking generically in view of some pretty loose and uninformed stuff being tossed around earlier.

  8. ItzaDream @ #109 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:03 pm

    rhwombat, just for the record, I was speaking generically in view of some pretty loose and uninformed stuff being tossed around earlier.

    Yes, I know – and I thank you (& Warrigal & Dio) for it. I was responding to your post ’cause it was brief, top of the pile and I’m trying to do several things at once (badly as usual). Sorry.

  9. JobKeeper and early super release rorts and overpayments on the rise:

    The Australian Taxation Office (ATO) has revealed it is still owed hundreds of millions of dollars from companies that have attempted to rort the JobKeeper wage subsidy, were declared ineligible or were overpaid.

    In an exclusive interview, ATO second commissioner Jeremy Hirschhorn told ABC News that while the agency had already rejected and clawed back millions of dollars’ worth of coronavirus stimulus payments, its compliance action was ongoing.

    Since the JobKeeper wage subsidy was introduced almost a year ago in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, almost 3.8 million employees, employed by more than 1 million businesses, have received more than $80 billion in payments.

    Mr Hirschhorn said more than 31,600 applicants for the JobKeeper payment and about 231,000 applications for early withdrawal of super had been rejected due to ineligibility or fraud, and hundreds more investigations were continuing

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/ato-owed-millions-jobkeeper-rorts-and-overpayments-early-super/13231222

  10. rhwombat @ #111 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:06 pm

    ItzaDream @ #109 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:03 pm

    rhwombat, just for the record, I was speaking generically in view of some pretty loose and uninformed stuff being tossed around earlier.

    Yes, I know – and I thank you (& Warrigal & Dio) for it. I was responding to your post ’cause it was brief, top of the pile and I’m trying to do several things at once (badly as usual). Sorry.

    Sorry completely unnecessary; on the contrary, thanks for being here.

  11. As cellulitis is very dangerous it is only appropriate that G Hunt rest to give the antibiotics a chance to overcome the infection. He is a healthy 53 year old man so he will probably be over it in a week. Before antibiotics he would have died or had leg amputated

    Twitter says that Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says can’t take a 1/2 price flight if not vaccinated? Or is he referring to overseas travel

  12. A Liberal Party donor who developed relationships with federal Assistant Treasurer Michael Sukkar and MP Gladys Liu engaged in “acts of foreign interference” and activities for Beijing, according to Australia’s domestic spy agency.

    The bombshell findings by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) are contained in Melbourne-based Chinese businessman Huifeng “Haha” Liu’s court application to fight the Federal Government to avoid deportation.

    The case of Mr Liu, who ingratiated himself with Liberal Party MPs over the past five years, is a rare test of Australia’s opaque strategy to counter alleged Chinese government interference by cancelling visas.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/asio-assessment-revealed-in-haha-liu-court-application/13234740

  13. Dandy Murray @ #104 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 11:45 am

    P1,

    See: https://www.aemo.com.au/energy-systems/electricity/emergency-management/reliability-and-emergency-reserve-trader-rert

    It’s a new program, but an old idea that has been around for at least 40 years.

    Thanks, Dandy. I figured it probably was, but didn’t know.

    Do you think it would be useful to create a market for such a service in the current circumstances? Or should we just “wing it” and hope? We often hear that government owned or subsidized generators would simply undercut the market. While I don’t necessarily see that as a bad thing – 🙂 – perhaps this is a way of achieving the same result without doing so?

  14. Quick thread: Tourism issues explained in 3 easy charts. Domestic tourism done for the locations and last month we have available data (December 2020). International tourism is 2019.




    So – capital cities are getting slammed by unavoidable domestic and international tourism issues. Regional tourism is doing better than the capitals everywhere, in some places better than they were in 2019. Cairns is a weirdly unique situation.
    This has been your friendly walk through tourism 101.

    see https://twitter.com/Pollytics/status/1370172924741652480?s=20

  15. This a tweet re a recent murder in London . Keep it in mind next time Scrott does his “as a Father/Husband’ shtick .

    CrimeGirl
    @CrimeGirI
    ·
    Mar 11
    WHAT YOU SAY: As a father and a husband…

    WHAT WE HEAR: Before I ‘got’ a woman of my own, women had no value to me

  16. “Do you think it would be useful to create a market for such a service in the current circumstances? ”

    That is a serious question requiring serious discussion. Two key points are:
    – A market might not be the most appropriate mechanism for pricing rare events, because of excessive market power of a few energy suppliers under peaking or emergency conditions (hello Texas!), and
    – The assets may ever be built under commercial risk management, because financial backing for assets that only pay off on very rare events is difficult to secure, to put it mildly.

  17. ‘Team Australia’ urged to get behind airline bailout as criticism mounts.

    No criticism allowed any more? Because ‘Team Australia’!?!

    Yeah nah.

  18. Unsurprising to see the open hostility from Morrison’s corrupt and radical Govt continue to be directed at Victorians with this QANTAS welfare handout.

    We Vics have you lined up, PM.

  19. Chuckle

    @TrapperJohn84
    ·
    1h
    I’ve completed the research and can confirm that a PM who likes to dress up as a pastry chef, pilot, miner or lab technician is officially known as a wanker.

  20. Syd University appoints (ex ABC) Mark Scott as vice chancellor.

    “I actually think it’s worth trying,” he (University commentator, Australian National University Professor Andrew Norton) said. “They are tackling real problems with this appointment, and time will tell how the balance will work out. I think he’s done a pretty good job in his previous roles.

    “A decent injection of political and bureaucratic nous would help both university of sydney and the sector more broadly.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/mark-scott-may-not-have-a-phd-but-he-knows-how-to-talk-to-politicians-20210312-p57a78.html

  21. Dandy Murray,
    You may be interested in this article from The Washington Post that attempts to provide an answer to your Cost Benefit Analysis question wrt infrastructure going forward into a Climate Change Extreme Weather Event future:

    As climate change brings more frequent and intense weather events, our infrastructure will continue to face challenges it was not built to withstand.

    … A 21st-century infrastructure system should incorporate conventional approaches using rock, concrete and steel that are strategically designed to work with natural infrastructure.

    … One of the primary barriers to implementing this approach are benefit-cost analysis requirements for federal projects. BCA requirements are rooted in an intuitive approach that most of us use every day. When faced with a decision, we consider our alternatives, weigh the pros and cons, and pick the solution that provides the greatest benefit for the lowest cost. This approach makes sense for a fiscally responsible government but falls on its face when we don’t consider some of the most important benefits. What if the greatest benefit of the project is a more equitable and resilient future?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/03/07/infrastructure-natural-solution-climate-change/

  22. Apparently Adelaide and Darwin are now on the FlightRorts list.

    Why not just give money to the airlines – call it a COVID grant – and let them sell “cheap” tickets to all destinations?

    If it means more people are travelling within Australia, then all well and good.

  23. Caitlin Cassidy
    @caitecassidy
    ·
    2h
    Personally offended by the fact Scott Morrison just called Melburnians “Melbourne-siders”

    Wha?

    Oh, I see. He can’t see anything except Sydney, Sydney-siders. PM for NSW.

  24. Heard some good news on the radio on the way home from town. Dan Andrews is up and walking about and just waiting for his doctors to decide whether he needs surgery or not. 🙂

  25. Having just watched Biden’s address to the Nation on the anniversary of WHO calling the Covid Epidemic, Morrison really is a nothing short of a floundering show pony, an embarrassment by comparison.

  26. Samantha Maiden
    @samanthamaiden
    We are about to break a significant story on relevant disclosures that an Adelaide woman who accused
    @cporterwa
    of rape made on the anniversary of the alleged incident in 1989 and subsequently more on
    @newscomauHQ
    shortly
    11:47 AM · Mar 12, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

  27. Itza,
    I heard a commentator, Charlie Sykes, say today that he felt giddy with excitement as he watched the President of the US actually governing responsibly!

  28. ItzaDream @ #NaN Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:54 pm

    C@tmomma @ #132 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:51 pm

    Heard some good news on the radio on the way home from town. Dan Andrews is up and walking about and just waiting for his doctors to decide whether he needs surgery or not. 🙂

    Sounds like he’s making their decision for them.

    He would. 🙂

    Though you know as well as I do that spinal surgery should be avoided if at all possible. It has improved a lot lately but it is still a diabolical surgical area.

  29. What interesting concepts you come across when reading about our astonishingly dysfunctional electricity market … the latest one I have found is “value of customer reliability” (VCR):

    https://www.aer.gov.au/news-release/aer-completes-australia%E2%80%99s-largest-value-of-customer-reliability-survey

    This is basically how much having a reliable electricity service is worth. It is used, for instance, in determining how much the AEMO would be willing to pay to keep your electricity on in case of a shortfall in supply. In AEMO-speak, it represents the “values different customers place on having a reliable electricity supply” and is to “help energy businesses identify the right level of investment to deliver reliable energy services to customers”

    The interesting thing is the wide disparity between states (these figures are from 2019):

    SA : $30.31
    NSW: $25.85
    TAS: $16.96

    Apparently, Tasmanian’s only value reliability half as much as South Australian’s do. That’s a heck of a difference! So presumably, if you live in Tasmania, you should expect to get half as much spent on making your electricity supply reliable than if you live in South Australia. I don’t know if this translates directly to Tasmania having only half as reliable an electricity service as South Australia, but it has to be a contributing factor to situations such as the famous Basslink outage.

    Not trying to make a political point in this post, but it is perhaps worth pointing out that SA also has the most expensive electricity. Interesting, isn’t it? I wonder which came first? Do they have expensive electricity because they value reliability? Or do they demand reliability because they pay so much for their electricity?

  30. Warrigal – re the Maiden tweet. I read a few weeks ago that the complainant had made a reasonably contemporaneous complaint of the rape. I am not a criminal lawyer, or even a lawyer who practices criminal law (joke), but I would have thought that such a disclosure to a witness, still alive, would have some reasonable probative value.

  31. C@tmomma @ #136 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:55 pm

    Itza,
    I heard a commentator, Charlie Sykes, say today that he felt giddy with excitement as he watched the President of the US actually governing responsibly!

    Great expression. It’s short but worth watching C@t, much about restoring ’empathy’ with the people, between the people, with people and the govt., in front of every State flag. When they do it well, they do it well.

    This business of pitting state against state here is a bad turn of events. I don’t like it, or want it. It’s something Albo can play to – putting all the ‘we are one’ stuff (which usually is icing on the opposite imo) to some effect.

  32. It hasn’t sound like Andrews has any damage to the spinal cord but the bone is probably cracked which means restricting movement until it heals (like not lifting stuff, minimal type standing or sitting)

  33. C@t
    It depends what Dan has broken. It may be just one of those ‘wing’ bits aka transverse process (I think). Can be bloody painful but not a ‘calamity’.

  34. More detail from Michael West and Stephanie Tran

    They’re wondering out loud if the apparent price fixing for such non-human being party memberships should be referred to the ACCC for cartel price fixing?

    State Capture: top corporations identified as members of both Liberal and Labor parties
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/two-party-state-top-corporations-lobbyists-revealed-members-of-liberal-and-labor-parties/

    Companies which benefit enormously from government policy are also members of both the major political parties. A surprising data investigation by Stephanie Tran shows Woodside, Wesfarmers, PwC and ASX are Platinum members of the Liberal and Labor parties, and membership fees are identical. In the first part of our State Capture series we reveal Platinum, Gold and Silver members of both parties and what access they get.

    Australia’s biggest companies are hiding millions of dollars in donations to the major political parties by buying Platinum, Gold and Silver corporate memberships. And it all flies under the radar because none of the money is officially disclosed as political donations.

    The company doesn’t have to disclose the membership contributions while the political parties declare the memberships vaguely as “other receipts”.

    Platinum membership costs a cool $110,000, gold $55,000 and silver $25,000. Amazingly, both the Liberal Party’s “Australian Business Network” and the Labor Party’s “Federal Labor Business Forum” charge identical fees for each of their membership tiers. (A cartel operation, Rod Sims?)

  35. Dandy Murray @ #124 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:32 pm

    “Do you think it would be useful to create a market for such a service in the current circumstances? ”

    That is a serious question requiring serious discussion. Two key points are:
    – A market might not be the most appropriate mechanism for pricing rare events, because of excessive market power of a few energy suppliers under peaking or emergency conditions (hello Texas!), and
    – The assets may ever be built under commercial risk management, because financial backing for assets that only pay off on very rare events is difficult to secure, to put it mildly.

    One can only wish we lived in a country where such a discussion could actually be had. Sadly, we don’t seem to 🙁

  36. It’s a long way out but I think the next election will be like the last 2, a close result. The real question is are enough people sick of the current government? It will be 8 years in at the next election and they might just scrape over for another term.

  37. C@tmomma @ #137 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:57 pm

    ItzaDream @ #NaN Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:54 pm

    C@tmomma @ #132 Friday, March 12th, 2021 – 12:51 pm

    Heard some good news on the radio on the way home from town. Dan Andrews is up and walking about and just waiting for his doctors to decide whether he needs surgery or not. 🙂

    Sounds like he’s making their decision for them.

    He would. 🙂

    Though you know as well as I do that spinal surgery should be avoided if at all possible. It has improved a lot lately but it is still a diabolical surgical area.

    Too right. Apart from the target area, thoracic spine surgery means being prone, which is a nasty position for surgery, and very vascular.

    Now he’s someone at risk of thrombembolism (trauma, immobilisation) – no wonder they’re getting him up and mobile as soon as they can, and whatever other prophylactics he might be on, or not – calf compression and pharmacological – pending a decision on what is now semi-elective surgery, urgency having passed.

  38. Collision symbolDrCollision symbol Julia Baird
    @bairdjulia
    ·
    4m
    Here’s the first public statement made by James Hooke about the rape allegations against the AG. He was the boyfriend of alleged victim Kate in 1988-89 & says he had “clear recollections of relevant discussions” with her at the time – mid-1988 – AND with Porter in 1992 & onwards.

  39. United States COVID 19 data :

    543,721 total deaths

    Today – 62,773 new cases …………………… 1,531 new deaths

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