After blowing out to 53-47 in favour of the Coalition two Newspolls ago, the latest result, courtesy of The Australian, has two-party preferred back at 50-50. The Coalition is down two on the primary vote to 41% and Labor is up three to 36%, with the Greens steady on 11% and One Nation down one to 3%. Similarly, Scott Morrison’s still-healthy personal ratings are down on the last three weeks ago, with approval at 64% (down four) and disapproval on 32% (up three). Anthony Albanese is up on both approval, by two points to 43%, and disapproval, by three points to 41%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is now 58-29, in from 60-25. The poll also includes a finding that “80 per cent of Australians support border closures if the health situation demands it”, which I’ll go into in greater detail when I see the full results.
UPDATE: The wording to the latter question was, “do you think premiers should have the authority to close their borders or restrict entry of Australians who live in other states”, which drew responses of 80% yes and 18% no. State breakdowns: 76-22 in New South Wales, 74-23 in Victoria, 84-15 in Queensland, 92-5 in South Australia and 91-7 in Western Australia, from respective samples of 475, 371, 311, 119 and 146. The overall sample of the poll was 1507, and it was conducted from Wednesday to Saturday.
UPDATE 2 (Tuesday): Today The Australian brings further findings on attitudes to the leaders, specifically that Scott Morrison is rated as experienced by 79% and Anthony Albanese by 63%; Morrison is reckoned to have a vision for Australia by 72% compared with 52% for Albanese; and that Morrison is rated arrogant by 46% and Albanese by 37%. In all three cases, Morrison’s ratings have improved by either 11% or 12% since the questions were last posed in December, which is fairly typical of such polling in closely tracking the leader’s overall approval rating.
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Barney in Tanjung Bunga
More to do with shite implementation/design than reality vs theory. Oh and of course over-hyping from Scotty Marketing ltd.
Shellbell @ #247 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 11:19 am
Exactly, and that’s why I wait for each day’s numbers with dread. But I guess this is all part of the system working as designed, staying ahead of the game as much as possible.
Working well so far.
(Disclaimer: past returns are no guarantee of future performance!)
guytaur @ #248 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 9:19 am
Comprehension fail as usual!!!! 🙁
I said no such thing.
My point is that a solution that works in the ACT does not automatically translate as one that works elsewhere.
AS for Tasmania, yes they have, and IIRC at the last election when the polls suggested the possibility of that happening again, there was a late swing back to the Liberal Party.
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The Andrews government says it will release its “reopening roadmap” on Sunday September 6. Premier to speak shortly
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Barney
You did. You intervened because you don’t want the fact that Labor and the Greens work hand in hand in government every day to be acknowledged
poroti @ #252 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 11:23 am
I think that what was overlooked is that there are far more reliable systems in place, or easily implemented. Recording names when visiting places of business is a perfect example.
By their very nature, schools have this data readily available. Then there’s things like transport cards, membership cards, etc. All more reliable than the app.
2020 ACT Greens-ACT Labor Parliamentary Agreement Update for the 9th Assembly in the Australian Capital Territory
Joint Communique:
Final 2016 Parliamentary Agreement update for 9th Assembly
ACT Labor and the ACT Greens released the final Parliamentary Agreement status update today, with 105 items delivered or on track to be delivered.
The Parliamentary Agreement covered shared priorities in health, education, transport, the environment as well as a range of other areas.
The final status update showed the delivery of key shared commitments such as:
* Delivering 100% renewable electricity for the ACT
* Three new nurse led in walk in centres in Gungahlin, Weston and the Inner North
* Planting over 4000 new trees in 2019-20 with an additional 20 000 more in 2022-23 to address the heat island effect in urban areas
* Delivery of Light Rail Stage 1 from Gungahlin to the City
* Delivering an ACT Independent Integrity Commission
* Banning developers from donating to political parties
* Investment in more public and affordable housing
* Establishment of the Office for Mental Health and Wellbeing
* Establishment of a Drug and Alcohol Court towards achieving a 25% reduction in recidivism by 2025
* Banning greyhound racing in the ACT
* Trialling the use of deliberative democracy programs, such as citizen’s juries
Over the last four years ACT Labor and the ACT Greens have worked together to deliver an effective and stable government.
Canberra is progressive, diverse and inclusive – and the Government has ensured these values were reflected in the work progressed throughout the 9th Assembly.
PDF: https://greens.org.au/sites/default/files/2020-08/Greens-ALP-2020-Parliamentary-Agreement-Status-Update.pdf
https://greens.org.au/act/news/2020-act-greens-act-labor-parliamentary-agreement-update-9th-assembly-australian-capital
I’ve always wondered how the CovidSafe app would cope with the setting I have on my phone to send empty packets of information to apps which want to know my location data. 🙂
poroti @ #252 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 9:23 am
Yes, but that’s the problem with the pandemic, everything is done on the fly, so proper evaluation and implementation is not possible, so things can become a bit hit or miss.
Hotel quarantine is another example, they had a weekend to set it up.
So Dan tells us that in fact it was only eight additional deaths in Victoria. I hate using the term “only” but this is obviously a good result, all things considered.
Keep it up (or down) you Vics.
I’m waiting for the new Bludgertrack to appear. 🙂
C@tmomma @ #262 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 11:37 am
Haven’t we had enough of graphs and charts this year C@t?
guytaur @ #256 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 9:30 am
I didn’t even read those posts, so no, I wasn’t commenting about anything they said.
As I said my point was about the viability of using the ACT in anyway outside it.
It’s something you do all the time and logic for it rarely exists.
The 41 deaths in Victoria go back to late July.
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Oh and of course over-hyping from Scotty Marketing ltd.
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Oh come on. The “Early Mark” marketing slogan was an off the cuff stroke of genius. The level of his greatness is there for all to see.
Barney
No that’s your prejudice.
My point was a Labor Green government exists.
In my reply to you I included Tasmania.
Unlike you I don’t think Federal Labor and Tasmania and ACT Labor are that different.
The difference is the Fitzgibbon science denial faction pretending you can’t trust the Greens.
The ACT Labor government is a factual contradiction of that narrative.
The denial of this is on you.
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Guiding principles for roadmap will include..
Density limits..
More WFH
Masks..
Hygiene in workplace..
Lotsa meetings to happen over next week.
Premier: “It is too early today..” but “there is an ENORMOUS amount of work going on… ” to have it ready.
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Premier
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indicates that even if restrictions are eased, Melburnians are unlikely to be allowed to leave the city for the September school holidays. “We will jealously guard those low numbers in regional Victoria”
@9NewsMelb
Guytaur,’The difference is the Fitzgibbon science denial faction pretending you can’t trust the Greens.’
I don’t think it is only Fitzgibbon that doesn’t trust the Greens. There are enough around to remember how the Greens are untrustworthy.
Barney
I think QLD Labor will win a majority in the next state election. However I will relish the backtracking of Fitzgibbon if Palasczcuk forms a minority government with Greens support.
citizen:
Monday, August 31, 2020 at 10:45 am
[‘The unholy alliance between Palmer and the LNP in Queensland – but some hardheads are concerned there may be a voter backlash.’]
Tory hardheads have some reason to be concerned given 84% of Queenslanders agree with Palaszczuk’s right to close the borders, with Frecklington wanting to open them. He may’ve, through his millions, had an effect on the last federal election, but I doubt he’ll much sway on October, 31.
PeeBee
Labor and the Greens working hand in hand in government every day.
Fact. I don’t have to speculate.
It’s the ACT Labor Green government.
guytaur @ #267 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 9:48 am
It might do you some good to get out of Sydney, then you might appreciate that the differences from one place to another are real.
Even in Australia! 🙂
Dan Andrews: ‘If I could provide a roadmap today, I would. That’s not responsible.’
Take that, Josh Frydenburg! 😆
The Labor Right are so desperate to attack the Left and the Greens that they are willing to trash the hugely successful ACT Green/Labor Gov – the most progressive government in the country – and belittle and dismiss Canberrans as somehow being insignificant and/or unimportant. This is not that surprising though considering how Laborites have also heaped garbage on the 2010 Bandt/Gillard/Ind Gov for years. There is no low to which the Labor Right will not stoop in order to attack the Left.
Guytaur, that may be the case, but they are not trustworthy.
Emma O’Sullivan
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Professor Brett Sutton on what new case numbers we need to be on track to end Stage four- “I would hope we’re in the ballpark of 40 or 50 by the end of the week.” #COVID19Vic
Firefox, example please?
You know that animal fable about the scorpion and the frog. Well Scott Morrison is the scorpion. He has his underlings out undermining Dan Andrews because that’s who he is. It’s his nature, he can’t help himself. It’s also the behaviour that got him to where he is now.
Barney
It would do you some good to get out of your propaganda bubble.
The ACT Labor Green government is reality.
You have made zero argument as to why Federal Labor is so different from ACT Labor. Tasmania Labor. New Zealand Labour. Many EU countries.
PeeBee
You concede the case. That means that yes they are trustworthy.
That’s being proven in the ACT everyday.
That’s the point
Firefox ,
I used to live in Canberra, I would be totally fine with the national ALP finding a set of overlapping policy objects relating to the enviornment and the developing a political strategy around pursuring those.
I actually think something like that could give labor a big reset. It would lul the government into attacking the issues that are agreed apon. so it’d nullify a lot of labor issues that the greens choose not the accept the bait on. Like spending constraint.
But the big problem would be getting labor and the greens to come together with a coherrent defence and immigration policy. The could agree to disagree, but that would make things tricky.
And currently there’s an inertia in the military industrial complex that sees Australia tooling up for fights. And the greens don’t really have that attitude.
Victoria @ #245 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 9:14 am
As many on here (including me) predicted it would be.
The idea of it was good, but anything involving IT developed by the current government was bound to be an abject failure. One only needs to look at the last census for a prime example before we even get to the biggest IT fvck-up of them all, the complete dogs breakfast they made of the NBN.
I live in the ACT. This is my observation.
ACT like Tasmania has proportional representation with five electorates and five members in each. This makes it easier for minor parties like the Greens to get elected as in the Senate but not the HoR. The current party lineup is Labor=12, Liberal=11, Green=2.
The two Green members are Shane Rattenbury who is a minister in the government under an arrangement with Labor and Caroline Le Couteur who is free to do as she wants.
In my opinion Rattenbury has acted quite responsibly as a Minister. On the other hand, Le Couteur has pursued various activities, sometimes in cahoots with the Liberals and has sided with NIMBYs in the older inner suburbs who just don’t like change in their neighbourhoods.
Le Couteur is not contesting the October election and it is a pity for the Greens candidates that she has hogged the limelight and effectively denied them a chance to become better known to the electorate.
Guitar, you can work with untrustworthy people. It doesn’t follow that because you work with them they are trustworthy. No logic there.
BC
So as per the fable, does it follow that the Scorpio will eventually do himself in.
Rachael/Alex tried to bait Andrews about Josh’s comments. Easily batted away. R/A seem to not have their heart in it any more.
Danama papers
My kids and in particular one of the partners who is involved in telecommunications etc. Said the same thing,. They explained why it would fail. Sigh….
The Greens have a role in the ACT because of the electoral system in that jurisdiction. They are constrained from gaslighting and from wedging Labor by this role.
Elsewhere the Greens profit by playing a spoiler game. This means by definition – and confirmed from 25 years of observation and lived experience – that the Greens are entirely untrustworthy. They are an anti-Labor Party. Labor cannot be other than hurt by collaborating with them. They are enemies of and hostile to working people. They practice to exclude working people from power wherever possible.
PeeBee
the Herald Sun campaign to get dan andrews has only served to expose how useless the fibs are.
Mundo was pondering…..where is the great Labor speech about the NBN?
Where’s Bill or Albo’s passionate defence of the fibre network.
Where’s the speech which begins. imagine where Australia could be today if the fibre network commenced under Labor was rolled out across the country, imagine Australia’s options today…..
Where is that speech?
Hmmmm…..
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Aged Care Minister Richard Colbeck to hold a press conference at 1pm today. He will appear with Acting Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly and Health Minister Greg Hunt. #auspol
Danama Papers @ #284 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 12:15 pm
‘The covid app has been an utter failure.’
Mr Albanese hasn’t said yet.
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Premier on prospect of big Christmas lunch: “We had a very different Mothers Day. no-one was happy about that. We’re going to have a very different Fathers Day. I want to make sure that we can have a Christmas Day that’s as close to normal as possible and…
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Premier hinting it’ll be awhile before there’s a big BBQ/party at your place, saying the “informality” of “large gatherings in the home” were a significant contributor to the 2nd wave. “That sort of behaviour (long gatherings, no distance kept) has been a big factor in this..”
guytaur @ #281 Monday, August 31st, 2020 – 10:04 am
😆 😆 😆
One difference between the ACT and Australia, Australia spans a wide and diverse continent whilst the ACT is largely one city.
The covid app has been an utter failure.
So too, the Covid virus response.
So too border protection, so too the bush fires, the lack of fire fighting resources, the bush fire response, the national cabinet, federal state relations and the provision and regulation of aged care.
All of thd above contain the telltales of Morrison’s involvement. Secrecy, indecision, lack of transparency, nepotism and confusion.
Absolutely no implementation of announced policy, incoherent assessment procedures and no
examination of the outcomes of policy.
A gigantic federal LNP Morrison government shemozzle developing on many levels.
And the LNP response is to focus on their mates.
The voting public are awakening! Perhaps !
So the excuses come out.
Labor working hand in hand In government with the Greens is proof you cannot trust the Greens.
Got it.
If it wasn’t for Labor’s helpful suggestions the performance of the federal government would have been a lot worse.
The attitude of Frydenberg this morning – bullying, demanding, without attention to reality or acknowledgement of responsibility – is typical of the Morrison government.